Post AXZIt1gehDPS1hb9jE by mairin@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #AXYEJAlIssmalwScts by BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
2023-07-10T12:22:27Z
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I implore any of the #Fedora #Linux contributors out there that might see this, please do not back the new telemetry proposal. I know telemetry can be incredibly valuable for improving the product offered by Fedora and I'm sure some great improvements can be made with it but I see this as your Amazon Lens moment. If #FedoraLinux goes ahead with this it doesn't matter that the user can opt-out, it doesn't matter that the data is generic, it doesn't matter that it's anonymized, for now until the end of time Fedora will be called a spyware distro. You will hurt community trust in the project far more than anything you will gain from improving the software and I really don't want to see that happen.
(DIR) Post #AXYEZX4VhkeCb9FHcG by Nuuskis@fosstodon.org
2023-07-10T12:25:28Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I support the idea where user installs extra package(s) to enable the telemetry and that telemetry is promoted during the install process and in the post-install first boot window. (Is it called 'hello'?)
(DIR) Post #AXYErj4VpMt31nvDE0 by asorander@fosstodon.org
2023-07-10T12:28:22Z
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@BrodieOnLinuxI think that this can be easily solved by making it an opt-in tool instead of a opt-out.
(DIR) Post #AXYF66Ky7kT1ErTR4q by wallmenis@mstdn.social
2023-07-10T12:30:53Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I was planning on moving to fedora kde or kinoite after arch... Now I am having second thoughts. I am between staying on arch, debian-testing and nixos.
(DIR) Post #AXYFWDM0esHUWvPcyO by vintprox@techhub.social
2023-07-10T12:36:00Z
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@BrodieOnLinuxOpt-out telemetry for distro is such a horrid shortcut. I hope they really know what they're doing and don't push this proposal any further.Imagine being someone who wishes to install #Fedora in a near future, and then the worst happens: it's burned to the bottom with hateful reviews, everyone jumps ship to Ubuntu and Manjaro, interest of developers maintaining interoperability falls... That would be not a complete darkness, but still sucks.
(DIR) Post #AXYFqSL0esBEnFb39U by martinligabue@tsukihi.me
2023-07-10T12:35:13Z
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@asorander @BrodieOnLinux I tought it was opt-in
(DIR) Post #AXYFqTJd1UfZpFxSdc by BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
2023-07-10T12:39:42Z
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@martinligabue @asorander It is opt-out but the model is confusing. So local collection is enabled by default, remote data sending is disabled but the toggle to enable it is enabled by default, no data will be sent remotely until the install process has been completed. If that toggle remains enabled then data will be sent.
(DIR) Post #AXYFzxVg89gi4u7O3U by martinligabue@tsukihi.me
2023-07-10T12:41:26Z
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@BrodieOnLinux @asorander I understand, now I hope too they will fix it
(DIR) Post #AXYHC3FYiOT5JFuNjk by Aman9das@fosstodon.org
2023-07-10T12:54:45Z
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@BrodieOnLinux The proposal is a proposal. Already they are mellowing it down like here: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/opt-in-opt-out-a-breakout-topic-for-the-f40-change-request-on-privacy-preserving-telemetry-for-fedora-workstation/85395/153BTW what a terrible place to discuss it. I posted something then read this n had to delete as it was outdated.
(DIR) Post #AXYHJrUsIQItAunRo0 by evasb@c.im
2023-07-10T12:56:14Z
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@BrodieOnLinux What would you think if they asked about data being transmitted every time?Sometimes a window will open asking for you if you will allow the data to be transmitted, explaining about the importance to have data to make the system better.You will have the options to consent, consent always, don't consent or never consent.
(DIR) Post #AXYPKyDVb2i9wIiHGS by janov911@fosstodon.org
2023-07-10T14:26:01Z
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@BrodieOnLinux It’s going to be interesting to see if they change opt-out to opt-in for EU users. If not I think they can expect some scrutiny from the EU data protection authorities. I know I’ll send in a request for investigation to my DPA 😉
(DIR) Post #AXYTZiNh9g5mzClQlE by PublicLewdness@freespeechextremist.com
2023-07-10T15:13:42.006384Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I don't use Fedora but if I did any trust I had would already be dead and i'd be leaving. The fact that someone high enough up thought this was a good idea is all I need to know.
(DIR) Post #AXYYKngNf6bkr5DBMu by CaptainMalu@mastodon.social
2023-07-10T16:06:00Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I read the proposal friday and it made me so angry I wasn't able to find words.It bothered me also the next day.I would be fine with opt-in or no-default.But I started thinking about installing another distro only because there is this proposal.And that's also bothering me. 😂 I hate it when I react so impulsively.
(DIR) Post #AXYbC0mHu8cGj3TXSC by Nevil@rivals.space
2023-07-10T16:38:25Z
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@BrodieOnLinux i don’t feel the same way at all! People need to chill down. As soon as they hear « telemetry » they go in panic attack. If you really fear telemetry, you need to stop … browsing the web (with google analytics pooring all the data they can and criss cross them with all they can (gmail, youtube, ads etc). The way Fedora intends to collect usage is clean (if they really implement it the way they said (with azafea etc.)). I have no problem with it…
(DIR) Post #AXYbtXnh0ERFaztGrI by as400@mas.to
2023-07-10T16:46:48Z
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@BrodieOnLinuxThe fact that we debate on such thing is sad by itself.This is how close relations with big corpos end. Always.And you'll see - they will do this. One way or the other. Because Big Brother has ordered them to.
(DIR) Post #AXYdwz7O5npR64s3zU by errorcodezero@techhub.social
2023-07-10T17:09:39Z
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@BrodieOnLinux They should do debian style telemetry where it asks you during a phase of the installer if you want to install the popularity contest thing.
(DIR) Post #AXZ0qZLPIvQCMwL2FU by mmmgaming@linuxrocks.online
2023-07-10T21:25:59Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Idunno, Ubuntu seems to have recovered from the "spy distro" stigma that it suffered for doing the same thing, but Ubuntu has a ton of other stupid things they're doing.
(DIR) Post #AXZ4HXelzEUwoewwbo by thehunt@mastodon.social
2023-07-10T22:04:28Z
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@BrodieOnLinux honest question, because I'm genuinely curious, how is this different from the telemetry that say pop_OS! ships with? Or do they have the reputation of being spyware? I've only been getting into Linux in the past year and a half.
(DIR) Post #AXZFizXBXs8kajgyZM by mairin@fosstodon.org
2023-07-11T00:13:04Z
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@BrodieOnLinux it's not opt-in by default?
(DIR) Post #AXZGWDExNL0JI0dVse by BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
2023-07-11T00:21:36Z
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@mairin It's opt-out
(DIR) Post #AXZIt1gehDPS1hb9jE by mairin@fosstodon.org
2023-07-11T00:48:32Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Hmmmmm that doesn´t sound right. How would you feel about it if it was opt-in?
(DIR) Post #AXZLS29Z9bzDW4wRQO by BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
2023-07-11T01:17:17Z
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@mairin As long as the consequences are explained opt-in to what ever you want.
(DIR) Post #AXZLW7ppyH7yIRfGwC by BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
2023-07-11T01:18:01Z
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@mairin As long as the consequences are explained opt-in to what ever you want, I am completely unconcerned with that.
(DIR) Post #AXZXDMnlIhsqf7W1uS by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2023-07-11T03:29:07Z
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I opted out of the whole Redhat ecosystem in 2012 when it became apparent the direction they were heading and haven't regretted it for a moment.
(DIR) Post #AXatov6MBFsyDBEB4y by ellenor2000@mastodon.top
2023-07-11T19:17:02Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Debian has telemetry but as far as I know it's fully opt-in.