Post AXXAh4QXUkH56GvcLQ by alecui@qoto.org
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(DIR) Post #AXX9mElyMDWIgFqyUy by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-09T23:57:04Z
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A recap of the first black political milestones and the party they belonged to:First black candidate for president of the USA: Republican - Fredrick DouglasFirst black senator: Republican - Hiram Revels First black house member: Republican - Joseph RaineyFirst black president: Democrat - Obama
(DIR) Post #AXXAh4QXUkH56GvcLQ by alecui@qoto.org
2023-07-10T00:07:23Z
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@freemo aren’t you missing one small crucial detail? https://youtu.be/OvcYjG0Sq1I ;)
(DIR) Post #AXXAsjTNED8TaQoadk by icedquinn@blob.cat
2023-07-10T00:09:30.767930Z
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@alecui @freemo classical dems are turning republican because the dem party is visibly insane
(DIR) Post #AXXBCV9ECJUMwyooS0 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-10T00:13:02Z
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@alecui No, not really.. thats usually a rewriting of history dems insist on to save face… If the democrats were really the “good guys” they never would have accepted being part of a party with such a horrifically racist past, they would have formed a new one.. Remember year after year the racist members of the party (the super delegates) voted in the next generation, there was never a point where this lineage “broke” so any claims about parties switching is utter nonsense.
(DIR) Post #AXXBwN3Yc6o9Ay2RSS by alecui@qoto.org
2023-07-10T00:18:15Z
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@icedquinn @freemo if you’re a Dem and decide one day “yeah, I’ll be a fash… ahem, conservative”, were you a Dem? I find that bullshit, Republicans have gone way more extremist since Trump than Dems have ever been. Want proof? Bernie, a hardcore Dem, lost to a neolib (and he’s probably one of the rare times when socdems have been popular), while Republicans are actively spewing at least alt-right shit out in the wild, full mask off.All recent Dems have been exclusively neolibs. US politics is so pathetic, y’all think it’s left vs right when you’re voting for center right vs far right. You’ve been gaslit into thinking Dems are actually left wing holy shit. Artificial dichotomy and manufactured consent. Want to see real left wing parties in mainstream media? Look at us Europeans, we’re doing a way better job. Capitalists took y’all for absolute fools.
(DIR) Post #AXXBwNgYH8037uHaEq by icedquinn@blob.cat
2023-07-10T00:21:21.277716Z
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@alecui @freemo i'm just going by registered democrats who publicly stated this is why they changed memberships. people have lost faith that they are the party of unions and have become the party of gender politics
(DIR) Post #AXXCHc7fnBddz75pDc by alecui@qoto.org
2023-07-10T00:25:12Z
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@freemo last time I checked Dems aren’t the ones with the racist rhetoric… Just saying 🤷♂️Neither of them are the good guys, news flash, but I’d rather have Dems succeed so I don’t have to see the fascist charisma black hole DeSantis in power. Lesser of two evils cuz they’re both right wing in the end, people who believe the Dems are left wing are insane (I think I know one such party at least). The Dems are only left of the imaginary center in auth right.
(DIR) Post #AXXCR0RejRRA1cv0AS by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-10T00:26:54Z
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@alecuiExcept they didnt wake up one day and change…@icedquinn
(DIR) Post #AXXCa85ZgK56L2wMKW by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-10T00:28:30Z
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@alecui last time I checked Dems aren’t the ones with the racist rhetoric… Just saying 🤷♂️They literally elected a president currently in office who spent most of his career being racist and literally started his career and made it the focus of his career to keep segregation alive… literally the first president in my lifetime who built a career on pro-segregation… Yea pretty sure the dems are still built on racist rhetoric, if they werent a man like that would have never even been a senator, let alone much more.
(DIR) Post #AXXCn9A50MBrQiFqtM by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2023-07-10T00:30:53.052971Z
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@freemo @alecui Not to mention that they boast and brag about discriminating along the lines of race, even now whining and moaning because they can no longer do so with the abolition of #AffirmativeActionIf the #Democrat party has be marked by one single thing, pre “party switch” and post “party switch”, it’s an affinity for discrimination along racial lines
(DIR) Post #AXXCvyVbyrQoztXGtc by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-10T00:32:27Z
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@realcaseyrollins Very true, the democrats prides itself on race politics. It seems like the **only** criteria for biden to make decisions is race 90% of the time.@alecui
(DIR) Post #AXXCwdn4Uql91v1IIq by icedquinn@blob.cat
2023-07-10T00:32:37.682682Z
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@freemo @alecui isn't desantis getting destroyed by RFK and orange man in the ratings
(DIR) Post #AXXEUmmpehUQjNkm1Y by JonKramer@qoto.org
2023-07-10T00:49:59Z
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@freemo @alecui, I would argue that Reagan was pro segregation too, but mostly I agree with you.
(DIR) Post #AXXEYUxPt0cOaoTTSC by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-10T00:50:37Z
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@JonKramerAnd Reagan wasn’t president in my life time. So my point stands.@alecui
(DIR) Post #AXXEbuVlKkSqiRANma by JonKramer@qoto.org
2023-07-10T00:51:17Z
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@freemo I have always considered Joseph Jenkins Roberts to be the 1st black American president... although with a small caveat.
(DIR) Post #AXXEec6kDKH6VUkm6y by JonKramer@qoto.org
2023-07-10T00:51:46Z
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@freemo @alecui I am a bit older than you. :)
(DIR) Post #AXXEh0tn0pRfySq26a by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-10T00:52:10Z
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@JonKramer I meant of the USA, but yes thats fair globally.
(DIR) Post #AXXFS3dKfAVm48ZZw0 by olmitch@shitposter.club
2023-07-10T01:00:40.500036Z
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@realcaseyrollins @alecui @freemo Things I find interesting:1. All the confederate statues are democrats2. Joe Biden is good friends with a KKK leader, Byrd
(DIR) Post #AXXGeZd3d7Pmj9yavI by JonKramer@qoto.org
2023-07-10T01:13:07Z
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@olmitch @alecui @freemo @realcaseyrollins Byrd left the KKK in about 1945, at age 20? And I highly doubt Biden is hanging out with Byrd anymore.
(DIR) Post #AXXGeaH7EBSQjOiaMS by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2023-07-10T01:14:07.357371Z
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@JonKramer @olmitch @alecui @freemo Is Byrd still alive?
(DIR) Post #AXXGkL4MfuNhJEUwYC by olmitch@shitposter.club
2023-07-10T01:15:14.261193Z
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@JonKramer @alecui @freemo @realcaseyrollins > As late as 1946, Byrd wrote to the Klan’s Grand Wizard: “The Klan is needed today as never before, and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia and in every state in the nation.”Running for the U.S. House of Representatives in 1952, Byrd worked to distance himself from his Klan activities. He claimed he lost interest in it after a year and dropped his membership in the grouphttps://www.thoughtco.com/robert-byrd-kkk-4147055https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-giving-eulogy-kkk-recruiter-robert-byrd-resurfaces-after-trump-doesnt-condemn-white-1535776k
(DIR) Post #AXXGrSC4aLa7QqUpI8 by JonKramer@qoto.org
2023-07-10T01:14:40Z
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@realcaseyrollins @alecui @freemo @olmitch, No. Dead for 15 years.
(DIR) Post #AXXGrSsc2BbpYmOnb6 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-10T01:16:27Z
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@JonKramer That doesnt rule out the fact that Biden might be hanging out with him... Pretty sure there is a good chance Biden has been dead for 15 years too.@realcaseyrollins @alecui @olmitch
(DIR) Post #AXXGw26D21dfwtw9a4 by JonKramer@qoto.org
2023-07-10T01:17:20Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins @alecui @olmitch Not for a few more months....
(DIR) Post #AXXNpjzi8CyLjuqP4a by ambihelical@qoto.org
2023-07-10T02:34:38Z
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@freemo @alecui I dunno about this. At that time (I lived through this) there was a lot of opinions about what would be better for black scholastic achievement. To me, I would think busing would be very disruptive, and it probably was. So it was not clear that was the best choice. Also doing deals with nasty people is just part of being a politician as well, you can really fault one for trying to get the best deal possible, even if it is far from ideal. It is more likely that Joe Biden was just wrong on his political stance as judged by history. This is not unusual.I mean you are talking about a guy who was VP for the first black US president, ever. No racist would have accepted that role.At the end of the day, current actions speak louder than past mistakes, at least in my opinion. On this score, Republicans are doing poorly. Democrats, fairly well, if not as well as we might like. End of story.
(DIR) Post #AXXOCHDrGpMVALCvZo by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-10T02:38:40Z
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@ambihelicalAnyone who looks into the speeches Biden has said on the topic makes it VERY clear his interest was not looking out for the black people. So regardless his past, his statements, make it quite clear his opinion came from a place of racism and not wanting his white child to be in school with black kids..His exact words, for example:“Unless we do something about this, my children are going to grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial jungle”He clearly was worried about his white child being in a mixed race school… his concerns werent for the black kids.@alecui
(DIR) Post #AXXOHyMEK4nyOWq68O by icedquinn@blob.cat
2023-07-10T02:39:42.682892Z
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@freemo >poor kids are just as smart as white kids>if you think about voting for donald trump you ain't black:blobcatdunno: stuff he did twenty years ago could be forgiven, but he never stopped doing it.
(DIR) Post #AXXOMUtvGk7wU6kxWa by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-10T02:40:30Z
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@icedquinn Absolutely.. its very clear this pattern of behavior never ended.
(DIR) Post #AXXPLT0guhYEHizjs0 by ambihelical@qoto.org
2023-07-10T02:51:34Z
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@freemo @alecui Yes that sounds bad, but even if he meant it as it sounds, I have to believe that people are capable of growth. I can think back at my own biases as a young adult and how I’ve changed, and have to believe that others are capable of the same thing. As I said, if he was truly racist, he would not have stood as VP with Obama, nor would Obama have selected him.And since you are not that old (not remembering Reagen at all), you might not realize this: Some people do not grow at all, and are hopeless. Other people live, look and learn, work on their biases, and grow as human beings. The process takes years and decades, but people do get better. Do you honestly think Biden is the same person he was in the 70’s? I really doubt it.
(DIR) Post #AXXPZHBxeNBbgYqpHM by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-10T02:54:01Z
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@ambihelicalYes, people are capable of growth, and Id be happy to give him that oppertunity… Guess what, I never heard him apologize for his past racism, if he had “grown” and was truely sorry he would have begged us all as an apology, he would of decried his past actions…. but he didnt.. he just silently hoped no one would remember and never once even said im sorry, let alone a sincere one.Add that to the fact that the way he acts is so obviously over the top insincere, manipulating the community of minorities with insincere acts to try to convince them he changed, when really they are superficial things and every single one of them is in his personal best interests… yea sorry but no matter how you slice it I dont see a person who changed.@alecui
(DIR) Post #AXXQYa9vkF38Ay8NKC by APPTeOORuzvlGOetVY.verita84@poster.place
2023-07-10T03:05:09.823521Z
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@freemo @ambihelical @alecui Blacks don’t even look out for the blacks . Why does everyone kiss their ass ?Africans don’t even care about themselves lol
(DIR) Post #AXXQfT8GGkQkPRdZVQ by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-10T03:06:19Z
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@verita84 @alecui @ambihelical id argue that most races are self-destructive and dont look out for their own best interests.. hell this has nothing to do with race, people are just generally their own worst enemy.
(DIR) Post #AXXQlVziXZPl1XWXke by APPTeOORuzvlGOetVY.verita84@poster.place
2023-07-10T03:07:30.046190Z
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@freemo @alecui @ambihelical Explain why Africa failed to ever evolve and is a terrible place to I’ve ? White peoples fault ?
(DIR) Post #AXXRngLv6GpfgMVRdw by ambihelical@qoto.org
2023-07-10T03:19:04Z
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@freemo @alecui I’m not sure why he hasn’t apologized for his past racism, oh now I remember, that’s your take, I’m not convinced. I think he was just mistaken at the time. I don’t really expect politicians to dredge up their past mistakes, this isn’t what they do. I would rather have that than politicians that do one thing and say another, almost at the same time some of them, it’s pretty much performance art. There’s plenty of that on the other side of the aisle right now.I don’t watch him closely enough to sense any sincerity or lack thereof. Do you have some incident in mind?
(DIR) Post #AXXSCtj0WF0WOaKS80 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-10T03:23:35Z
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@ambihelicalYea sorry but when you spend years fighting tooth and nail to preserve segregation, and have a ton of other racist/prejudice dirt in your history (like being horrible towards LGBTQ);.. yea i expect them to apologize if they want me to even consider the possiblity they are … well.. sorryJust the fact that he has picked a staff that have horrible histories themselves regardingchallenged groups and appears the only crtieria for most of them was as a parade to show how many minorities he can hire… that alone shows a lack of sincerity. Even his VP has a vile history of voting that is worthy of contempt, not to mention her questionable history as a cop. Its clear his choices werent for the decisions they might make to better the cause, but simply based on their genitals or color of their skin because he knew it would get him some brownie points… at least to me that is painfully obvious.Me knowing biden personally may give me a tainted view however where I just know him better than your average voter, I dunno.@alecui
(DIR) Post #AXXUidIzIncWe6Q1A0 by ambihelical@qoto.org
2023-07-10T03:51:47Z
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@freemo @alecui I confess I don’t know much about his cabinet other than Harris and Buttigieg, and the fact that the demographics are at least an attempt at diversity. If you say they are pretty awful I can’t really argue about it. However, the fact that you are claiming near uniform awfulness or at least being mere tokens is suspicious to say the least. I would need receipts of some sort to believe this.
(DIR) Post #AXXV8B5cpU7IfMLiFM by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-10T03:56:20Z
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@ambihelicalbuttigieg is actually one of the choices he made for his cabinet I really support. Frankly I’d rather he be president than Biden.Uniform was a bit hyperbolic.. but a huge portion of his choices were pretty awful and clearly done more on race or sex than merrit.@alecui
(DIR) Post #AXXh3axaPpOAu5AcSW by LouisIngenthron@qoto.org
2023-07-10T06:10:01Z
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@freemo @alecui Woah, dude, that’s a little bit off the deep end. The party realignment is recognized by pretty much every credible American historian, and denying it has been a talking point of the far-right for some time now. Many legislators even switched parties during that time to be with the fellow racists/non-racists.Dems aren’t perfect, but they’re an order of magnitude better than the GOP on the issue of race, in pretty much any metric, since the Civil Rights era. Trying to act like they’re remotely similar is nuts.
(DIR) Post #AXYYZEMpFJl7fbwhe4 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-10T16:09:34Z
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@LouisIngenthronThe party realignment makes no sense as a sw2itching of party because the parties members are choosen by existing party members. At no point was there a mass break from the party and movement of members.. Each generation without break elected the next.It also isnt universally associated by anyone other than the left who wants to re-write their horrific history. Never heard this claimed by the right, in fact quite the opposite.@alecui
(DIR) Post #AXYZXyk5x840sLnSlc by LouisIngenthron@qoto.org
2023-07-10T16:20:35Z
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@freemo @alecui That’s not true. Party membership is chosen by the individual. Anyone, even elected legislators, can switch their party affiliation any time they want, and they don’t get kicked out of office for it. Justin Amash and Charlie Crist both did it recently.These shifts have happened multiple times in our country’s history, which is why we’re currently considered to be in the 6th iteration of our nation’s party system: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_Party_SystemAnd as for people on the right refusing to grapple with historical racism… well, that’s so common that it’s become something of a stereotype at this point, hasn’t it? They’re even passing laws to block schools from teaching that history.
(DIR) Post #AXYZrIacNyJVvsZoJs by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-10T16:24:02Z
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@LouisIngenthronYou clearly dont know how party membership works… you think party members are selected solely by popular vote? No thats not how the voting system works.. You need to learn how superdelegates work if you are to understand why it is dishonest to say the parties switched.Existing party members (superdelegates) vote for new party members, along with the public. So each generation of party members are choose by the generation before.There was also never a mass exodus of party members switching sides… so there is no actual evidence to back up these claims other than a rewriting of history.@alecui
(DIR) Post #AXYaXKmmbuU4uGJK5I by LouisIngenthron@qoto.org
2023-07-10T16:31:39Z
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@freemo @alecui (A) Superdelegates only apply to presidential primaries, not the rest. The realignments happened first in the legislative branch.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate(B) Primaries as a method of picking nominees only really took over in 1972. Prior to that, the nominees were picked by state party conventions. When Hubert Humphrey won the Dem nomination in ‘68 without entering any of the primaries, both parties decided they needed to change the rules. Funny how the rules changed right about the same time as the realignment…https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_election
(DIR) Post #AXYai8UWf3yxxevCe8 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-10T16:33:35Z
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@LouisIngenthronState party conventions were still not a general party vote of the populace, nor can we show an exodus of party members… so none of that adds up to the narrative regardless.@alecui
(DIR) Post #AXYbKgdMAX8sr9R0E4 by LouisIngenthron@qoto.org
2023-07-10T16:40:36Z
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@freemo @alecui
(DIR) Post #AXYbQ8oMpgmdhBBZJY by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-10T16:41:32Z
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@LouisIngenthronExactly that proves my point.. You can see year after year the states remain aligned relatively the same… there was no abrupt exodus where the parties flipped.@alecui
(DIR) Post #AXYbSdRhuBkvHmmA0u by LouisIngenthron@qoto.org
2023-07-10T16:42:02Z
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@freemo @alecui Those look the same to you?!?
(DIR) Post #AXYbkEZv6JZvNC0cme by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-10T16:45:10Z
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@LouisIngenthron @alecuiYes, the 3 on the left (each seperated by one election year) largely show the same pattern of blue in the lower right and red towards the north, I see no year where the colors flip.Same of the column on the right, you see the blue and red largely clustered in the same area each consecutive year.Only way you see a flip is when you compare them across an entire century, in which case its not an abrupt flip at all but an extremely slow multi-generational changing of geographic support, which would in fact support my assertions and debunk your own.
(DIR) Post #AXYc55fHR78zoFSf9U by LouisIngenthron@qoto.org
2023-07-10T16:48:59Z
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@freemo @alecui If that’s your criteria, then look at ‘60 and ‘64. It did basically flip on a dime.In this whole sequence, look especially at the core Confederacy states.
(DIR) Post #AXYceZbo65ZEoYkxAu by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-10T16:55:21Z
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@LouisIngenthron @alecuiYou wont get an accurate picture if all you look at is one position (president) it will get lost int he noise… Look at congress seats. As you will see despite the above congress already had very well established political geography both before and after this time period.
(DIR) Post #AXYfE0rWxcdfNr8aZ6 by LouisIngenthron@qoto.org
2023-07-10T16:50:38Z
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@freemo @alecui But it’s hard to show the clear pattern in those specific years because there were so many other crazy things going on (JFK assassination, Humphrey/Wallace, etc.)
(DIR) Post #AXYfE1cg8KLvk5CF3Q by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-10T17:24:08Z
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@LouisIngenthronAlso I want to point out we went down a tangent from my assertion anyway..I said the party members (politicians) didnt have an abrupt flip.. as in each generation the people of each party were largely the same (changing only gradually) and thus the ideals those people held remained relatively steady as well… Peoples support of the ideas of each party may have flipped, but the parties themselves did not.@alecui