Post AXTSQu0DVTDQg7DUa8 by lqlarry@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AXTQEbgBbcLoT0rBCq by Linux_in_a_Bit@linuxrocks.online
2023-07-08T04:42:06Z
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:blobcat_thisisfine: I'm not gonna be recommending @fedora AT ALL until this is request is rejected:https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-request-privacy-preserving-telemetry-for-fedora-workstation-system-wide/85320It would be fine if it was opt-in, but apparently we can't have nice things :ablobcatgrumpy: "We are not interested in opt-in metrics."Sorry, WHAT? :blobcat0_0: But the developers proposing this seem to be adamant that it MUST be opt-out :blobcatgooglytrash: You know this is why people started hating Canonical :ubuntu: right?Valve gets along FINE with opt-in metrics (source: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/)You DO NOT NEED opt-out telemetry to optimize for your hardware market :ablobcatattention: By choosing to use opt-in analytics, companies become the good guy, nicely asking for people to help support development.By choosing to use opt-out analytics, companies become the villain, stealing users data (however "anonymous" it may be) unless they force them to stop.I know you will go through with this, but don't say I didn't warn you :ablobcatheartbroken:
(DIR) Post #AXTQLdH64ZLTRSTIdE by Linux_in_a_Bit@linuxrocks.online
2023-07-08T04:43:54Z
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@fedora "Our logo is made up of two parts: the hat and the wordmark. The hat is the same fedora worn by Shadowman–the figure featured in our previous logo–and is an embodiment of the trust and goodwill we’ve built with customers, partners, and the community as we’ve grown. Our company name appears in bold in the wordmark, created from our open source font."I wonder where Shadowman "an embodiment of the trust and goodwill we’ve built with customers, partners, and the community as we’ve grown" went??? :blobthinkingeyes:
(DIR) Post #AXTSQu0DVTDQg7DUa8 by lqlarry@mastodon.social
2023-07-08T05:07:12Z
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@Linux_in_a_Bit @fedora Debian does it best with the opt in for their popularity contest. I opt in just cause they ask. I like to help, but I will avoid it like the plague if it's an opt-out.
(DIR) Post #AXUAZdHhQfIvPxMpP6 by kspatlas@social.linux.pizza
2023-07-08T13:21:30Z
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@Linux_in_a_Bit @fedora I'm using fedora rn, if this gets accepted how do I move to another distro keeping my data
(DIR) Post #AXUV3jdONo9Ssl93tw by Linux_in_a_Bit@linuxrocks.online
2023-07-08T17:11:25Z
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@fedora To be fair, they aren't supposed to be sent to Fedora unless you say yes, but that seem like a really roundabout way to kinda-sorta be *technically* opt-in without actually being opt-in.Stop with the shady garbage.
(DIR) Post #AXVDwEOkcEpluo5ofI by Linux_in_a_Bit@linuxrocks.online
2023-07-09T01:34:15Z
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@jookia @fedora It would, but it is not as big of a deal as they seem to think, especially if the opt-in was featured prominently enough.
(DIR) Post #AXXBmjjNSIwGbV0OcS by Linux_in_a_Bit@linuxrocks.online
2023-07-10T00:19:35Z
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@jookia There are a few reasons, namaly that they always contain at least some identifiable information (ip address, etc.) that can be collected if a company lies about their internal policy (which is fairly common) and it's a particularly deceptive dark pattern.The objection to Fedora analytics (as they are proposed, which can and will likely get worse in the future) are more of a matter of principal, but the way every big-tech company has implemented them is incredibly deceptive.The best by far is Canonical, who basically copied Window's setup but used less checkboxes.Even if Fedora can do better, it's still bad enough to cause a fork similar to Tenacity or Forgejo which were created for similar reasons.Also, if I'm not mistaken, this is a proposal by a RedHat contributor, so it was most likely not created with the innocent intentons of the Fedora non profit.
(DIR) Post #AXXPnhX8VfK7R7dMP2 by Linux_in_a_Bit@linuxrocks.online
2023-07-10T02:56:38Z
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@jookia Read the second sentence.
(DIR) Post #AXYDDkC08orSxznPXs by Linux_in_a_Bit@linuxrocks.online
2023-07-10T12:10:17Z
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@jookia Does your instance not register post edits or something, because you seem to be *really* misunderstanding my point here.
(DIR) Post #AXYDI9p6mxM5cLBzu4 by Linux_in_a_Bit@linuxrocks.online
2023-07-10T12:11:10Z
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@jookia Go to https://linuxrocks.online/@Linux_in_a_Bit/110687538273491735 to see the posts with the edits I guess...
(DIR) Post #AXYW9poXCH0kN8fXJA by Linux_in_a_Bit@linuxrocks.online
2023-07-10T15:42:35Z
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@jookia I do trust them as much as any company willing to collect opt-out analytics.The opt-out analytics break trust, not the other way around.
(DIR) Post #AXYX0eTW5N98YL1UjQ by Linux_in_a_Bit@linuxrocks.online
2023-07-10T15:52:07Z
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@jookia It's similar to one of the reasons I don't trust proprietary software.Not a perfect analogue but it is very easy to do malicious (or at least negligent) things with analytics, even if the code that collects them is open source.
(DIR) Post #AXYY8JgHNid6KdDAki by Linux_in_a_Bit@linuxrocks.online
2023-07-10T16:04:42Z
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@jookia I did.Sidenote: https://ads.google.com/intl/en_us/home/privacy/solutions/ Very interesting topic.Google's implementation is 100% anonymous.I trust them honestly.
(DIR) Post #AXYgEXe7AiYL0xg7Ps by Linux_in_a_Bit@linuxrocks.online
2023-07-10T17:35:04Z
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@jookia That's my point