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(DIR) Post #AXQyIjvXhH2YAkInB2 by daringfireball@mastodon.social
2023-07-06T23:52:03Z
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Mastodon’s FAQ on Threadshttps://daringfireball.net/linked/2023/07/06/mastodon-threads-faq
(DIR) Post #AXQyIkYXMIES7gXvxQ by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-07-07T00:20:14Z
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@daringfireball John, I love ya, but I don’t think you could be more wrong about this. You and I don’t have a lot to fear from Facebook downloading our data from Mastodon’s APIs. We’re both reasonably successful, straight, politically average, white men of similar age. What do I care if Facebook knows about a picture I uploaded of my cat?But a lot of my users are in one or more different categories from us, and they’ve told me they’re horrified by the idea.
(DIR) Post #AXQyfap9hwt6bHDCS0 by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-07-07T00:24:23Z
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@daringfireball Facebook and friends have a terrible privacy track record, and some trans kid in a red state does *not* want them download their posts. Of course FB/Instragram/Threads/whatever could abuse the protocol and pull that information anyway, and that’d be hard to stop. But we don’t have to roll out the red carpet and make it easy for them. If FB cheats and goes around the API protections to download that kid’s personal data anyway, that’s on them.
(DIR) Post #AXRrbim5hVtfZxweo4 by megamatt@mastodon.online
2023-07-07T10:39:47Z
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@tek @daringfireball what are you even talking about? They wouldn’t have access to anything that’s not already public. The heck do you mean by, “cheat the API”? Buddy they’re *seperate servers*. They don’t have the logins to the mastodon servers. And again, the activitypub protocol doesn’t expose anything that’s not *already* public.What you’re saying is akin to accusing them of going to steal your e-mails, when you’re on a completely different server.
(DIR) Post #AXSDr7QsVICNOClooK by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-07-07T14:49:13Z
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@megamatt @daringfireball Yes, I’ve been running a server for 6 years. I know how this works, and you’re making a straw man argument.Today, if FB wants my info, they have to directly fetch it from my server somehow, either through the public API or scraping. Tomorrow, if we federated with them, and someone there follows me, my server would actively push my data to them. It’s them scraping 5,000 servers vs 5,000 servers uploading to them.
(DIR) Post #AXSFFJSlWh1Hbakmga by carl@chaos.social
2023-07-07T15:04:47Z
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@dirkprimbs Andere haben die gleichen Gedanken wie wir...
(DIR) Post #AXSFcfooZh27bICq5Q by r343l@freeradical.zone
2023-07-07T15:09:03Z
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@tek @daringfireball 10+ years ago I was pregnant. I hadn’t mentioned it online anywhere — even that we were trying or thinking about kids. When I was ~6 weeks — yes the test showed positive that early for me — I mentioned in a single Facebook Messenger my new status to a friend. Within hours my ads on FB and all over the internet was baby stuff.A harmless privacy violation for me as my partner knew and wanted me to be pregnant. But it made it very obvious how dangerous FB is.
(DIR) Post #AXSGM37Ao69aspQikC by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-07-07T15:17:14Z
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@r343l @daringfireball That’s a wonderful, and perfect, illustration of the kinds of things I want no part of abetting.
(DIR) Post #AXSGcUXIcfWYYwUTRI by r343l@freeradical.zone
2023-07-07T15:17:03Z
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@tek @daringfireball “the irrational fears of people who view Facebook as a corporate bogeyman” — my story is a tiny and relatively harmless one. But FB has been instrumental to mass death events. They encouraged illegal data usage that affected political campaigns (Cambridge Analytica). They have allowed ad targeting that violates fair housing and fair employment laws!It’s not irrational to worry FB might mess up in ways we can’t even predict given they’re history.
(DIR) Post #AXSGcVCQ9mPwcTjJXE by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-07-07T15:20:12Z
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@r343l @daringfireball That last bit is the worrisome part. What’s their inevitable next scandal going to be?
(DIR) Post #AXSHt7h6tv0mb5Ze3E by szakib@freeradical.zone
2023-07-07T15:34:26Z
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@tek @daringfireball Tek, I really appreciate your attitude here. I'm also a boring middle-aged white guy, but I try to live my life without using / displaying my privilege. My two main observations:- other boring white people think that I am paranoid.- without putting oneself in the position of someone less fortunate, it is impossible to build inclusive and equitable systems.
(DIR) Post #AXSHueSsXx4iWSe7Ye by r343l@freeradical.zone
2023-07-07T15:34:42Z
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@tek @daringfireball I find it ironic I’m here defending the “fearing FB is reasonable” position given I am a “wait and see” person on the FB activitypub thing. Despite all that I (perhaps irrationally!) hope a FB thing would normalize federated social and encourage more folks to leave it (OUR part of fedi has no ads or tracking!)But there’s a very good reason Gargron spent so much of that post on the “irrational fears”.
(DIR) Post #AXSMIptG7O0Sizly0u by megamatt@mastodon.online
2023-07-07T16:22:14Z
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@tek @daringfireball I don’t think you know what a straw man is.Data being *pushed* instead of fetched does not change its contents. It’s still the same data. Show me examples of personal data that FB will be able and to get when they’re in the federation vs right now though scraping.You’re moving the goalpost. You started off claiming FB can somehow get more data (without any sort of facts).But yes, how dare they use the same protocol that other mastodon instances use, I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
(DIR) Post #AXSMfMiElaGMtMMOHo by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-07-07T16:27:55Z
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@szakib @daringfireball Yes, and yes!
(DIR) Post #AXSPH7YPm0Sin7teqm by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-07-07T16:57:10Z
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@megamatt @daringfireball Your reading comprehension is somewhat lacking. Have a nice day!