Post AXSFEKddfeTKxeN6fI by Ulrich_the_Elder@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AXRxOw87KnYQxaXDd2 by leo@twit.social
2023-07-07T11:44:50Z
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I sincerely hope Threads follows through with their plan to federate. It will give other Fediverse users a controlled pipeline to the zeitgeist. By judiciously following Threaders here we’ll be able to have safe access to the people, news, and brands we could never convince to use Mastodon without having to submerse ourselves into the massive, undifferentiated flood of info over there. This is a good thing, yes?
(DIR) Post #AXRxZLkivOgRK6Yequ by ohmrun@mastodon.social
2023-07-07T11:46:44Z
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@leo I don't know Leo, I'm waiting for it to tick Wiley Coyote style.
(DIR) Post #AXRxeWau2kYoObQqbw by spokeek@shelter.moe
2023-07-07T11:47:37Z
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@leo Could be, but from what i see most people are scared of the kind of data Meta could get in that process.Also thinking about the moderation issues that allowing what would become one of the biggest federated platform on a small mastodon instance.I'm confident that it will democratize the federated system, but think it will be with lots of pain at start.
(DIR) Post #AXRxeqDB6fSzEoUBPM by Ciantic@twit.social
2023-07-07T11:47:39Z
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@leo Yes. My thoughts exactly, there is a lot of brands and people I'd follow to get their, but not necessarily interact with. They've all gone to Threads.I do see this as positive not only in that way, but also it broadens what Fediverse is.I can imagine this lessening the heath from zealots, and makers like @ivory and others can create features without fear, like quote toots, search etc.Search which btw, is already implemented in Universeodon.com server. They just did it.
(DIR) Post #AXRxner6hHpUclMmRs by clutem@twit.social
2023-07-07T11:49:20Z
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@leo me too. Decoupling it from instagram will be it’s ultimate strength.
(DIR) Post #AXRxtZhukdXcOWt7ZY by brianjkim@mastodon.social
2023-07-07T11:50:24Z
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@leo Agreed. I also think Meta is using ActivityPub with Threads as a way to deflect the eventual regulation issues from Meta owning Instagram, Facebook, and possibly the new Twitter.
(DIR) Post #AXRy2xomTeqdmMZp4q by doomscroller@mstdn.social
2023-07-07T11:52:04Z
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@leo this is the crack in the door to let meta in to infect this environment. Allow meta in at the peril of federated social media.
(DIR) Post #AXRyBajzeBuEoRS3OK by geoffreysperl@mastodon.social
2023-07-07T11:53:39Z
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@leo I agree. I doubt Threads will ever federate, though—it’s not in their best interest. Guess we’ll see.
(DIR) Post #AXRyKK7Qoh6hrnZuXA by Loukas@mastodon.nu
2023-07-07T11:55:13Z
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@leo Not if the Meta server we federate to has an unmanageable number of bigots harassing us.
(DIR) Post #AXRymj1HpTXzChFMwa by Jennifer_Pinkley@zirk.us
2023-07-07T12:00:20Z
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@leo since there are so many signups I doubt they'll federate. The entire point of Threads is to collect massive amounts of info about users to serve them ads and since none of us here are signed up for that, interacting with the broader Fediverse won't benefit their business model.
(DIR) Post #AXRywCASpKfoD93UFE by tom4okstate@masto.ai
2023-07-07T12:02:04Z
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@leo I think so. #nba Twitter was never coming here.
(DIR) Post #AXRz3MFRkMTZVAnjea by josh@cunnin.me
2023-07-07T12:03:20Z
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@leo I tentatively agree. There are folks I'd love to have on Mastodon that just aren't going to use it. They probably will use Threads. If I can follow and interact with them, awesome.What I'm worried about as a personal instance runner is that Threads will overrun my All feed with crap. And I don't want that.
(DIR) Post #AXRzFY61WQ8lisCsvQ by pabloniusmonk@mastodon.social
2023-07-07T12:05:34Z
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@leo Exactly, Leo. I submit my Threads launch night experience with my local paper of record: https://mastodon.social/@pabloniusmonk/110668070528591728The Houston Chronicle @Chron has been enthusiastically tooting here since Nov. The Dallas Morning News should follow suit and if it takes Threads to lure them in, so be it.( @dallasnews may only squat here for the time being, but it's a start)
(DIR) Post #AXRzR6qYf0nYgXU9rc by jamonbull@mastodon.social
2023-07-07T12:07:40Z
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@leo Perfectly said!
(DIR) Post #AXRzU8b8bcAaz9iUvg by skoobz@social.lol
2023-07-07T12:08:12Z
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@leo What I’m looking forward to.
(DIR) Post #AXRzi62gu7B576GDT6 by Ryan@mstdn.ca
2023-07-07T12:10:42Z
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@leo That's my theory. Not that all the concerns are invalid - some are more than others, in my opinion - but at the end of the day I think it's a net positive.
(DIR) Post #AXRzjenp9TvBD53DGK by leo@twit.social
2023-07-07T12:11:01Z
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@spokeek Meta gets zero data from me following someone on Threads here. ActvityPub doesn’t leak.
(DIR) Post #AXRzssZPKmGIW0hmCm by spokeek@shelter.moe
2023-07-07T12:12:40Z
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@leo sure, ok for the data.
(DIR) Post #AXS0CliEXYwt2RJje4 by jeremyburge@mastodon.world
2023-07-07T12:16:16Z
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@leo also skeptical Threas will federate as they say, but that would be a pretty decent outcome.
(DIR) Post #AXS0Nv7HusZPOFM08G by mausmalone@mastodon.social
2023-07-07T12:18:17Z
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@leo my issue with Threads is that I can't imagine a scenario where good-faith dederating with them doesn't lead to spam and then defederation anyway UNLESS Meta is counting on Threads being "too big to fail" (i.e. you can't de-federate us for spam, your users will riot when they lose access to all their Big Name Influencers)
(DIR) Post #AXS0WCwPWrHMzMDZXU by oceane@eldritch.cafe
2023-07-07T12:19:47Z
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@leo No. I can't grasp their entire knowledge base on ways to shape and predict human behavior, and you obviously can't either.
(DIR) Post #AXS0dwR8m9TQ7NHNRI by SimonRoyHughes@thefolklore.cafe
2023-07-07T12:21:10Z
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@leo No. There is already enough hate on that site to warrant widespread, if not universal, defederation. Those who want access to celebs and brands who are content to share a platform with bigots and fascists may go over to the #Zuckerverse to do so.
(DIR) Post #AXS0q4RUpuaEQFEHOi by ash@noc.social
2023-07-07T12:23:22Z
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@leo Completely agree. Meta has the clout to get those brands and people over and I'm excited to be able to follow some of them again right from my Mastodon timeline.
(DIR) Post #AXS0qhNc4HeNBUiEG8 by jmswag@jmswag.xyz
2023-07-07T12:23:24Z
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@leo I concur 😉
(DIR) Post #AXS1MtL98TfJXquRWq by richard_merren@mastodon.social
2023-07-07T12:29:18Z
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@leo This reminds me of when AOL opened up to the internet. One day we all realized that we no longer needed it, and eventually having an aol.com email address was embarrassing or a joke.If meta can't control it's nazis or floods other instances with unnecessary crap like a DOS attack or whatever, then they'll get defederated. Otherwise, people will slowly drift out to instances with cooler domain names that don't advertise and where you can control your timeline.
(DIR) Post #AXS1cMH3qFDbctNDns by TheMartinL@twit.social
2023-07-07T12:32:04Z
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@leo but how long before you have to block the server because of the trolls and bots and general crap that will be coming from there?
(DIR) Post #AXS2IT2p3mEumpnDbk by TimH@mas.to
2023-07-07T12:39:42Z
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@leo While we wouldn’t be subject to the direct effects of their horrible algorithms, we would still be impacted by the second level effects of it. What I mean is the people over there are absolutely going to be drenched in it and therefore it’s going to impact what they are posting and reposting.
(DIR) Post #AXS361jwqq44aBb2KO by whereisk@mstdn.social
2023-07-07T12:48:37Z
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@leo there's already access to birdsite postings inside the 'verse, Leo https://bird.makeup/
(DIR) Post #AXS3Enk6GNQBmBqq5g by benjaminallocco@universeodon.com
2023-07-07T12:50:15Z
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@leo Keep in mind this is a company that made ghost accounts for people that never even signed up for their service, based on the accounts of their friends and relatives.If you care about the privacy of your data, no, this is not a good thing. If you don't care about that, then...sure.
(DIR) Post #AXS3IwGuUfmFO5Aem0 by Mundon@fosstodon.org
2023-07-07T12:51:00Z
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@leo I like this take on it. The way things are set up they can't get data from other servers that isn't public anyway. We'll see how this pans out, but I like this approach.
(DIR) Post #AXS3jBCvaMKJEsowwy by nolookshot@mastodon.world
2023-07-07T12:55:44Z
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@leo it actually sounds amazing and I don’t get why more people aren’t thrilled by the prospect of it. Access to the hive-mind once again, except with waaaay more individual power and freedom to control what it can do to your experience.
(DIR) Post #AXS40pI3oOT4TbdUps by Caffeinated_Capybara@mastodon.world
2023-07-07T12:58:56Z
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@leo hopefully it helps people understand what the fediverse is too and makes it more mainstream.
(DIR) Post #AXS4dPwVzG719kxZz6 by user89073862@mastodon.social
2023-07-07T13:05:54Z
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@leo Let’s be real. Meta will a) promise and never deliver or b) take it away when they please.
(DIR) Post #AXS5Srv3jMOEh0oSbA by noah@twit.social
2023-07-07T13:15:12Z
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@leo I hope so! I do worry their plan is to follow 90s Microsoft and "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" but hopefully I'm wrong.
(DIR) Post #AXS6WHx5Uw16FqxLsG by phillycodehound@masto.ai
2023-07-07T13:27:01Z
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@leo I'm on the fence with federating with meta/threads. There's a lot of FUD to weed through right now. Only time will tell unfortunately. But I have my finger on the defederating button if it needs to be done.
(DIR) Post #AXS9G67k0U5kncuW8G by SooJin@twit.social
2023-07-07T13:57:42Z
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@leo Agreed, and I’m hoping it helps small creators expand their access.Question for you, Leo: what impact are you expecting on moderating twit.social? For example, do you think additional help will be required?
(DIR) Post #AXS9Y6rjzFzkJT10ls by sbb@mstdn.ca
2023-07-07T14:00:55Z
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@leo I think #Meta / #Threads will come up with subtle ways to abuse #ActivityPub to inflict a slow torture on existing #Mastodon/ #Akkoma/etc admins - drawing them into supporting Threads' quirky implementation of it. Like #Google did to #XMPP. This now-established playbook manouvre is way too juicy to pass up using again.Then once this "drift" from the consistency in ActivityPub compliance is set - like a disease - then Threads will stop supporting ActivityPub, adding insult to injury.
(DIR) Post #AXS9bh7Lf0O7cA1bv6 by citizencat@mastodon.social
2023-07-07T14:01:37Z
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@leoMeta stay out!
(DIR) Post #AXSD3u7DECcJth6X4a by nickapos@twit.social
2023-07-07T14:40:19Z
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@leo yeah I agree with that, but will this federation result in a flood of spam to fediverse that does not exist today?
(DIR) Post #AXSEQHTPAFXOfKicPQ by Susan_Larson_TN@mastodon.online
2023-07-07T14:54:16Z
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@leo What isn't a good thing is meta platforming hategroups.
(DIR) Post #AXSFEKddfeTKxeN6fI by Ulrich_the_Elder@mastodon.social
2023-07-07T15:04:37Z
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@leo threads is owned by the same guy who enables nazis on facebook. It is therefore a nazi social media site.
(DIR) Post #AXSFHCktR62VNh8PgW by qwosl@progressives.social
2023-07-07T15:04:44Z
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@leo I think so. I know people worry about Meta using mastodon to its advantage before breaking off, but Meta already seems to be successful and dominant without doing that. If anything, it helps mastodon compete with Bluesky and Post. The alternatives to Twitter now are billionaire-owned Meta, which has all the brands and celebs; mastodon, which will be able interact with meta while being decentralized & not sucking data; and small VC-funded silos that don't have much purpose.
(DIR) Post #AXSGf697lCRZmsQSFU by jeffmallozzi@twit.social
2023-07-07T15:20:37Z
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@leo I wonder if they are trying to figure out a way to inject ads into the feed of individual users that folks follow from federated platforms.
(DIR) Post #AXSH8LMcGDUNNjgKUC by kerneltux@hachyderm.io
2023-07-07T15:25:57Z
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@leo I wish I had your optimism that Meta will act in good faith with this. Considering their history, especially their lack of significant changes after the Cambridge Analytica shenanigans, I won't touch Threads or anyone that's connected to it with a 10-meter cattle-prod.
(DIR) Post #AXSHedeZnNPPNBTwQa by ianRobinson@mastodon.social
2023-07-07T15:31:46Z
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@leo @pabloniusmonk Yes.
(DIR) Post #AXSHzEp1JVXARNBoUy by Jacqice@smashingly.gay
2023-07-07T15:35:28Z
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@leo This souns s excellent, and will destroy twitter. Maybe twitter will remain, but only for right wing bigots
(DIR) Post #AXSI0txlpyjaKL4kwC by ericdano@musician.social
2023-07-07T15:35:48Z
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@leo I guess? When they ACTUALLY start "federating" with the Fediverse we will see.
(DIR) Post #AXSITfpdSKFStizRwG by Pagan_Animist@beekeeping.ninja
2023-07-07T15:41:00Z
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@leo It can be considered a good thing if that is what people want. It isn’t good for me. I still gave a FB account solely because it’s the ONLY way I can interact with some friends and family that are all over the world.
(DIR) Post #AXSJeDqXwdbtF60gq0 by aenea@paquita.masto.host
2023-07-07T15:54:07Z
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@leo I really keep wondering how an app made by a corporation that has enabled genocide and supported fascist uprising in the US can be a good thing overall.
(DIR) Post #AXSJwN2UVOcUxvFc92 by mtrigo@mastodon.social
2023-07-07T15:57:24Z
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@leo Yes, but also lots of brands looking for engagement to grow their business. And I want nothing to do with that.And I'm very happy to have an online space where I'm not to be sold something every breathing minute.At the end of the day, this will be an instance-level decision and I can see a portion of the userbase moving into instances that are not federated with Threads.
(DIR) Post #AXSKYElJjA1UIbH3MO by dis@techhub.social
2023-07-07T16:04:15Z
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@leo That is the first step of "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish"We all thought that same thing when yahoo took over for private forums, and cheered while google divided up email to "save us" from spam, and (google again) thought it was absolutely amazing "do no evil" when they federated google talk with XMPP. (That one really stung. And it was *exactly* this situation: they connected their existing chat network to the existing largish federated one, and when they had enough of a user-base they defederated to destroy the open network. It worked. Gtalk people thought we just logged off..)They can get the data for free by simply spinning a 'fake' instance and subscribing like mad. They can't get the users unless they change the #fediverse to something it is not.
(DIR) Post #AXSLp9cIDB8hDXgR72 by chrisbeiting@mastodon.social
2023-07-07T16:18:29Z
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@leo I have both and I’m hoping for an slick way to merge them.
(DIR) Post #AXSPpv2SIV8y6vXbdo by 4mc@mastodon.social
2023-07-07T17:03:28Z
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@leo Meta will only support Federation until they they can stop supporting Federation, it's a false flag operation to stem the flow from Facebook and make Meta seem benign.Do you remember when Facebook could produce and consume rss? Most don't.I still have pictures of an outline architecture diagram for a presentation to Gavin Newsome's office when he was Mayor of SF back in 2008/9. The proposal was to use RSS to create content and move between social media platforms.
(DIR) Post #AXSQJHCey8ibFcJSE4 by ryanbmarx@newsie.social
2023-07-07T17:08:46Z
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@leo I *think* so, but the real fear always is that Zuck's influence forces/bullies the fediverse to either become something it shouldn't or be excluded.
(DIR) Post #AXSQlrIyKwevKKtW52 by TrashHeap64@mastodon.online
2023-07-07T17:10:58Z
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@leo I like the idea, but I don't trust Meta to do this unless they benefit from it somehow. What that benefit is currently, I'm not sure. Messenger once supported XMPP which was removed down the road, so I'm also not convinced they'll commit to it long term.
(DIR) Post #AXSUN5eSG9KSOnO62S by IcyShark@twit.social
2023-07-07T17:54:16Z
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I'm so excited to see you, @leo taking a different approach to having Thread users take part in the fediverse and not de-federating all of their users.Giving Mastodon users access to Threads users (and visa-versa) could be really beneficial for our community.I think we will need to come up with some good moderation strategies (thinking of being able to subscribe to moderation lists) that don't lump all of one instance's users into one big group or moderation will be a problem.
(DIR) Post #AXSUe5d9agYZFyswLI by IcyShark@twit.social
2023-07-07T17:57:22Z
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@leo @spokeek I think Meta will know that someone at twit.social followes user X and Thread. Potentially, a bigger deal for users of small instances.IMO this seems like a worth-while trade-off.
(DIR) Post #AXSVvRZNNIueB0xOWO by evilmicrowizard@mastodon.world
2023-07-07T18:11:42Z
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@leo I don't think it will work out that way, unfortunately. Threads' apparent FB-like moderation policy means bad actors there will never have action taken against them.
(DIR) Post #AXSW7TUC4k1layGn0y by morgan@noc.social
2023-07-07T18:13:52Z
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@leo Threads is the accelerator for Twitter’s eventual demise. The sooner it’s toast, the better. Threads is not the “twitter replacement” we hope for, nor is Mastodon even though we love it for the community and conversation with twitter-like features. But that’s everywhere today. What we’re missing is a solid, noise-free (no replies), public announcement service (think: emergency broadcast system) for federal/state/county disaster alerts exclusively. Hello, USDS.gov?
(DIR) Post #AXSXh1HCXFFaU4hoR6 by tachyonxero@twit.social
2023-07-07T18:31:29Z
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@leo it’s my hope all services like this eventually become like email through federation. We can block the spammers and the scammers and then pick whatever platform or server we want that has the features we like.
(DIR) Post #AXSbPcsmNTKvinFCQi by twothebow@mastodon.social
2023-07-07T19:12:59Z
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@leo this is why I changed my thinking. The absolute best description I have seen.
(DIR) Post #AXScTHa5cMIslioFzk by ornerychemist@twit.social
2023-07-07T19:24:55Z
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@leo Maybe I should doff my tinfoil hat, but I am worried about Facebook pulling an embrace-extend-extinguish maneuver like MS and Google did with web browsers. If they capture users and then wall them off behind proprietary extensions to AP before nixing AP support entirely, we're right back where we started.
(DIR) Post #AXSpK5nhLYzd1v7gvI by rawlawdog@mastodon.social
2023-07-07T21:49:02Z
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@leo Serious question. Is that the problem with the fediverse, that there’s no pipeline to the zeitgeist? Obviously I’m considering the very same thing and my assumption is that that’s just a matter of configuration.
(DIR) Post #AXSpcudR5HC9u2ITRo by santoso@tech.lgbt
2023-07-07T21:52:27Z
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@leo And we'd still get access to the spicy content that we want!
(DIR) Post #AXSuSq9zMn3etnXXJw by johncarney@twit.social
2023-07-07T22:46:38Z
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@leo i think so. So long as meta doesn’t do what google did it jabber, I’m happy to federate. I just want to talk to my friends.
(DIR) Post #AXTAwAhPgEcQGSBLiS by JStatePost@newsie.social
2023-07-08T01:51:09Z
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@leo 🥥 Um, no. 🥥
(DIR) Post #AXTJTNPUF308sN8paC by TamNZ@mastodon.social
2023-07-08T03:26:53Z
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@leo only if it were possible to keep it to a one way valve: like those used to control our effluent
(DIR) Post #AXTKur1CMo66TeRlyq by james@bne.social
2023-07-08T03:43:01Z
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@leo Agree. I’m uneasy at running the Threads app, since it is pulling all kinds of data about me from my phone. But I’d love to follow folk on Threads using the fediverse, and use *my* choice of client and *my* choice of server.Sadly, with 70 million signups on Threads already, I’m not very convinced that Meta sees any need to federate any more. It seems a lot of hassle for very little benefit.
(DIR) Post #AXTL8IAui5p4T0OnGy by revrocky@mstdn.ca
2023-07-08T03:45:28Z
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@leoHonestly, the longer I'm here I don't know if I want those kind of people, brands and news.
(DIR) Post #AXUKXIrFP2xT1nWRzU by luuuucy@mastodon.social
2023-07-08T15:13:29Z
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@leo can’t wait to see facists here on mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #AXYy91x9NPFERo6UrY by monorailtimes@worldkey.io
2023-07-10T20:56:09Z
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@leo @tannerman absolutely a good thing and a total game changer for social media
(DIR) Post #AXbY5JfgavKvDI7rRQ by StampedingLonghorn@social.linux.pizza
2023-07-12T02:48:16Z
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@leo Yes, if it ever happens correctly. So far I'm just not impressed with it.
(DIR) Post #AXfInTqFJzMYrawT0y by DrFlay@social.vivaldi.net
2023-07-13T22:15:49Z
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@leo potentially, but remember that the FB graveyard of projects is almost as big as google's.Note: both FB and google used to use a federated chat system based on jabber/xmpp, but after a while they didn't like the lack of total control.