Post AXQpZx3jE6F8EhGORc by Kirino@seal.cafe
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(DIR) Post #AXQBKgMPQlXqdtpGgS by gamesbymanuel@peoplemaking.games
2023-07-06T13:13:57Z
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"Piracy can't be stealing if paying for it isn't owning"This is increasingly how it feels, when streaming shows disappear for tax reasons and things you "own" digitally become inaccessible.Thank you @Illuminatus for this quote.
(DIR) Post #AXQBKh68gk7mvjDmxk by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2023-07-06T15:11:32.665539Z
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So stealing a rental car is not theft?
(DIR) Post #AXQBKhckjUDEYsTpnU by gamesbymanuel@peoplemaking.games
2023-07-06T13:16:38Z
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For a while now digital ownership has felt more like borrowing but that is not how it's advertised.Piracy seems to be the only way to make sure things stick around. And don't get me started on the blockchain, as those things would still need to be hosted somewhere that can disappear just as well. That is a solution looking for a problem.
(DIR) Post #AXQGDXofIc6zt2ST7w by eee@poa.st
2023-07-06T16:06:19.775867Z
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@midway @gamesbymanuel no, that's restorative justice you racist
(DIR) Post #AXQH0nwJkBJbNKrkie by MCMLXVIIOTG@nicecrew.digital
2023-07-06T16:15:13.937280Z
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They'll modify whatever you "purchased" and you will be happy. Why does a 10 year old game's dialog need to be updated to reflect the current thing?
(DIR) Post #AXQH9pUhKjxqnqFbPs by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-07-06T16:16:50.964680Z
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All information needs to be hosted somewhere, blockchains don't pretend to solve that problem.The problems blockchains solve(to a degree) is centralisation. In the case of DRM they allow for the possibility of selling licences to consumers that can't be revoked by the issuer and which can be maintained even if the issuer goes bankrupt.
(DIR) Post #AXQHB1abqgf8bbaMu8 by white_male@poa.st
2023-07-06T16:06:09.590915Z
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@gamesbymanuel @Illuminatus Enablers dilemma. Get's you every time. ;D
(DIR) Post #AXQHByz71EJqogVGmu by Curvin@poa.st
2023-07-06T16:17:14.968801Z
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@midway @gamesbymanuel ...yes?
(DIR) Post #AXQHO35hZs2T1jL5uK by Silvsilvchan@poa.st
2023-07-06T16:19:26.183533Z
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@midway @gamesbymanuel Did I pay to rent a videogame or pay to own it?Did we go back to 90s Blockbuster when I wasn't looking or was Stadia a secret success?If I pay a five digit sum to own a car should I be treated similarly to a person that paid a three digit sum to rent it? Related: I can't stress how happy I am to be out of my lolbertarian phase, at one point I sounded ALMOST as inbred paint huffing "please master corpo drive the staples in deeper" retarded as you do and it disgusts me every time I think about it.
(DIR) Post #AXQHPKNUn4DEvnGv6u by white_male@poa.st
2023-07-06T16:08:38.429211Z
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@midway @gamesbymanuel You can buy a car and own it exclusively(after you pay it off).That complaint is about not having a choice and being compelled into subscription model where you write away most of your rights.It's just voluntary bondage.
(DIR) Post #AXQHQ5k8ghFfpdEAQi by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-07-06T16:19:47.131786Z
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With renting the lessor isn't pretending to give you permanent ownership of something. When you buy a digital asset from a marketplace like itunes or amazon there's the expectation that your access to that asset is now a permanent right, and yet they violate that right constantly.More broadly I'd argue information cannot be considered property in the same way a car is because it's not scarce or rivalrous. There a limited amount of cars, there is a functionally unlimited amount of copies of a file. If one person is using a car that means another person can't use it, whereas if I copy a file you're using then we can both use it.
(DIR) Post #AXQHhDUx6k7qo4I2CW by Zealist@poa.st
2023-07-06T16:22:54.055187Z
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@Eiregoat @midway @gamesbymanuel
(DIR) Post #AXQOiv6XALq618cyci by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-06T17:41:34Z
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@gamesbymanuel @Illuminatus By that logic piracy isnt stealing, its more like forced slavery since your stealing peoples time rather than a physical object.
(DIR) Post #AXQPCtk8n7VoU1RqJU by APPTeOORuzvlGOetVY.verita84@poster.place
2023-07-06T17:47:02.284196Z
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@gamesbymanuel @Illuminatus Theres something called an agreement or copyright before you view/aquire
(DIR) Post #AXQXHPyHi1UtEEjJgG by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-07-06T19:17:26.198593Z
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@gamesbymanuel @Illuminatus you can steal things you can't own
(DIR) Post #AXQXUmbEtAdlApK7M0 by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T19:19:55.111505Z
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That that says rent. Buy implies you own it. Nobody says “I bought a car for my trip” when they meant to say “I rented a car for my trip”.
(DIR) Post #AXQZQwibWdBvJ44C9Y by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-06T19:41:37.365953Z
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@bot @gamesbymanuel @MMS21 @midway agreeing to a license then violating it unethical (and contgract fraud), but what if you didn't agree to any license and simply clicked a link to download a file without any knowledge of copyright or licensing...
(DIR) Post #AXQa3cHDSe8JCXhBOC by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-06T19:48:36.664193Z
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@bot @gamesbymanuel @MMS21 @midway shouldn't that be voluntary though if you haven't agreed to any license
(DIR) Post #AXQb0LdQygK8fp5q1A by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-06T19:59:13.461516Z
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@bot @gamesbymanuel @MMS21 @midway it's my view that even sharing a copy of someone's work is a form of promotion that benefits the creator, by increasing popularity and making others more likely to support the creator (even if everyone doesn't)copyright is hostile toward consumers and is a dying model
(DIR) Post #AXQbRmHc0cZZ8ixvf6 by RandomDaemon@noagendasocial.com
2023-07-06T20:04:12Z
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@gamesbymanuel @Illuminatus I’ve never understood how it can be considered stealing when it’s something that is digital and can be infinitely copied.
(DIR) Post #AXQbkFcRg2ZnKuWEbI by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-06T20:07:31.423134Z
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@bot @gamesbymanuel @MMS21 @midway it does in fact mean that, if you haven't agreed to any contract or license.
(DIR) Post #AXQbnfoUkABJRfmqoa by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2023-07-06T20:08:06Z
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@gamesbymanuel @Illuminatus this was never a problem except for people stupid enough to give their money to netflix and disney.#RetvrnToTradition
(DIR) Post #AXQbrmEUonu0VruCbg by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2023-07-06T20:08:54Z
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@gamesbymanuel @Illuminatus this was never a problem except for people stupid enough to give their money to companies that literally offered them nothing in return except "an experience."#RetvrnToTradition
(DIR) Post #AXQcCkkLXVohz6nzjk by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-06T20:12:40.447471Z
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@bot @gamesbymanuel @MMS21 @midway so far in all your pro-copyright arguments you have failed to prove that sharing files does anything but help creators. so until proven otherwise i'll continue to think that sharing is actually helpful promotion
(DIR) Post #AXQcQL79dUMYXfx6Bc by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-06T20:15:07.577276Z
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@bot @gamesbymanuel @MMS21 @midway i don't have to prove it. i'm not the one trying to prosecute a crime. that burden is on the person who is making an accusation of wrong doing
(DIR) Post #AXQcXJVtzCqTbWqxjk by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-06T20:16:23.448053Z
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@bot @MMS21 @gamesbymanuel @midway (ironica that you would say it's jew brained since hollywood jews are some of the worst copyright trolls and universally opposed to file sharing)
(DIR) Post #AXQdFmsw92QrRLpmuO by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-06T20:24:25.179312Z
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@bot @gamesbymanuel @MMS21 @midway one of many reasons. saying people owe you some arbitrary amount of money when you haven't agreed to any license or contract is illegitimate
(DIR) Post #AXQdZMfnJHFzw91Qy8 by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T20:27:59.057217Z
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Everyone who made the film/ software or whatever I’m downloading for free, has already been paid.Who am I hurting by pirating? The kike pocketing it all.You can make arguments all day about how thats unethical. We all do plenty of unethical things every day, why does this one thing stick out to you?
(DIR) Post #AXQdj05I9JNam6Xj60 by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T20:29:43.852944Z
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Shome people paid off the revenue from the film so by the film not selling as well it does hurt some of the people involved :(
(DIR) Post #AXQeC92xuECqyALsqO by JAJAX@clubcyberia.co
2023-07-06T20:34:57.503486Z
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@bot @meowski @gamesbymanuel @MMS21 @midway Artists are not the primary beneficiaries of the money that gets funnelled into the various media "industries". In fact the way most media is produced is so fucked up and leads to such braindead soulless content I really don't mind them getting their guts reamed out by piracy. I don't think it should even really be an "industry", especially since the modern internet makes distribution, which was the primary function of the companies in the old days, mostly moot.This goes for music, shows, movies, games, software... Basically everything. Every single "creative" company has a vested interest in stifling creativity (e.g. Adobe patenting basic features so other image apps can't use them, all the video codec makers competing with each other to get a stranglehold over video licensing so we only had a halfway decent video format for browsers like 20 years after we could have had them, AND THOSE COPYRIGHT FIGHTS ARE STILL NOT OVER webm vs mp4 etc).
(DIR) Post #AXQeCB0Yc9T73HEzMu by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T20:35:00.049729Z
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Is the nigga fixing lights on set going to get paid more if I rent that film on Amazon Prime?
(DIR) Post #AXQeR6L6FqWGuqxxJI by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-06T20:37:40.524723Z
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@MMS21 @gamesbymanuel @bot @midway don't worry about that. worry about whether the satanic pedophile musicians and actors in hollywood get paid their millions of dollars
(DIR) Post #AXQeeSqFtzQMTFuWpM by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T20:40:06.911103Z
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Thats not what I’m saying. Paying for Adobe means you get updates which include fixes and new features. But it also means they’ll fuck you in the ass any chance they get. I can avoid the ass rape by pirating their software.Back when I used to pirate games I tried it out on my system to see how it runs and then waited for steam sales to purchase the game. Even with software that I’ve pirated they were only used a handful of times. Back when I still played games I purchased them on Steam because it was a lot more convenient. Then I stopped because the games got worse and they tried ass raping paying customers. I don’t mind however long it takes for the DRM to be cracked but the games weren’t worth the storage space they took.Piracy is a service problem. I had NO ISSUE with paying back when they didn’t try ass raping customers every 2 seconds.
(DIR) Post #AXQeml6fsTy3R1XtmS by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-06T20:41:35.556191Z
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@bot @gamesbymanuel @MMS21 @midway i'm not. i don't really consume the sort of corporate produced media that would be going after people for copyright infringement so this doesn't affect me directlyhowever that is the media that most often is the subject of law suits and centered around this discussion
(DIR) Post #AXQer52LifkUPDaEFM by Ferrichrome@mastodon.social
2023-07-06T17:27:46Z
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@midway I have the option to buy a car outright and own it myself. In your analogy, once that rental car goes out of service, no one can ever drive it again. That’s the difference here, I think.
(DIR) Post #AXQer6CfNnb01VPyy0 by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2023-07-06T20:42:23.026121Z
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@Ferrichrome You can try to buy the ownership rights to something digital. Feel free to make that deal.But the current owner is not obligated to sell it to you, just like the rental car company isn’t obligated to sell its cars to you. I get that just about everyone has pirated something at some point. Myself included. But I’m not going to try to justify it somehow based on some arbitrary moral argument.
(DIR) Post #AXQetdSMieRLjeyEjY by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T20:42:51.281202Z
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Do you ever pirate media which doesn't "ass rape" customers, suchas movies or TV shows or games you enjoy?
(DIR) Post #AXQf1KSBFuiX7DYKAa by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-06T20:44:13.341683Z
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@MMS21 @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @bot @midway there's plenty of incentive to pay for legit software licenses due to the obvious risks of installing cracked versions. most businesses are more than willing to pay for licenses to avoid the risk
(DIR) Post #AXQf9CKbL0cEF1lA6i by JAJAX@clubcyberia.co
2023-07-06T20:45:36.474117Z
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@bot @meowski @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @MMS21 @midway What if we were starting a new country up, or maybe like, were setting up a colony on another planet. The governer's son convinced him to make a law making all the standard tools-- pliers, cutting torches, hammers etc... which everyone has known how to make for years-- his intellectual property. Now everyone who builds anything with any of those tools has to pay a "license fee" to use them. And everyone has to go with it because the powers that be decided they were allowed. It would discourage a lot of work being done because it's prohibitively expensive, it's like a non-government regulator who gets to come and tell you what you can and can't do, and gets to demand a piece of the profit for any of your endeavors regardless of the fact they didn't really contribute except in a very seminal way.That's basically what's going on in software. These, by and large, aren't massive innovations, they're obvious. Anyone would be able to come up with them given enough time working on the specific problems in question. And sure, someone should get rewarded for coming up with it, but letting people own these ideas is just gonna stagnate us, leading to people being unable to do certain things, forgoing the use of certain tools, lowering their standards of what's possible, just because someone feels entitled to a cut of the action.
(DIR) Post #AXQfB13UEV4HqfcacS by JAJAX@clubcyberia.co
2023-07-06T20:45:58.046999Z
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@bot @Kirino @MMS21 @gamesbymanuel @meowski @midway I'm 100% capitalist on everything except information. Information should be free.
(DIR) Post #AXQfGQmQ153p52DhfE by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T20:46:58.020221Z
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Yes. I’ve pirated films that I’ve watched in the cinema or media that I have the physical copy of. Sometimes its available on a family members streaming account and I just pirate it for convenience. I just don’t want to use the Netflix/ Amazon app because I don’t like the interface. The one thing I legitimately pirate is HBO shows as MAX or whatever they’ve called it now is not available in the UK. Again thats a service problem, if they wanted my money maybe they should have made it possible.
(DIR) Post #AXQfKVjJYRuDafiIS0 by Hyperhidrosis@shitposter.club
2023-07-06T20:47:42.963449Z
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@gamesbymanuel @Illuminatus Piracy is stealing, I have no qualms about stealing from kikes
(DIR) Post #AXQfMGv7aT7GEr4lUG by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T20:48:01.776334Z
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Sure. I’ve never gotten a virus since moving to private trackers though. Its a skill issue.
(DIR) Post #AXQfS5mltlw9RUwh5k by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2023-07-06T20:49:04.876190Z
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@meowski @gamesbymanuel @JAJAX @Kirino @MMS21 @bot You are free to write your own software (and make it entirely open source) if you like. I mean, the software you want isn’t innovative and simple, right?
(DIR) Post #AXQfYxaQmTBg2aRr04 by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-06T20:50:19.155519Z
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@MMS21 @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @bot @midway it's really a question of risk vs benefit and to corporations that actually have money that is always going to be in favor of just paying for the software
(DIR) Post #AXQffMaUjy83JkX0iW by JAJAX@clubcyberia.co
2023-07-06T20:51:25.845329Z
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@midway @meowski @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @MMS21 @bot No more than other people have already made, completely free and open source. (inb4 OMG OPEN SOURCE IS SO HARD TO USE YOU CANT REPLACE COMMERCIAL SOFTWARE WITH THAT!!!!! the problems with open source might frustrate non-technical people, but they don't stifle creativity for the entire human species.)
(DIR) Post #AXQfqB3NxpLCjNCXlg by pwm@crlf.ninja
2023-07-06T20:53:24.631354Z
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@bot @JAJAX @meowski @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @MMS21 @midway the world is filled with masochists
(DIR) Post #AXQgBQJuOm62A03prs by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T20:57:16.494215Z
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How are you supposed to write open source software that infringes copyright? The niggers at Adobe have patented something as simple as snapping elements to guidelines https://patents.justia.com/patent/9442623
(DIR) Post #AXQgI4hDC9XX7a8GOG by JAJAX@clubcyberia.co
2023-07-06T20:58:24.021052Z
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@bot @meowski @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @MMS21 @midway There isn't a huge demand for software like photoshop. It's a niche product that has cachet because a very small number of people use it to make all the fun braindead comics, movies, and everything else they like. The number of people who ever want to manipulate an image on their own is a vanishingly small proportion of the population.
(DIR) Post #AXQgME7K6q8DUzKFGq by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-07-06T20:59:13.919029Z
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@bot @meowski @gamesbymanuel @MMS21 @midway I'll stop "stealing" (copying 0 and 1s) when you stop saying "kill all niggers"
(DIR) Post #AXQgNyXyy9czmwd3om by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T20:59:32.823660Z
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The world is not designed to cater to you specifically in terms of making things easily accessible though. Some things aren't available in some areas because the licensing rights differ per country. This doesn't entitle you to take it without paying. That's nigger logic.I can safely say I don't pirate, unless something is out of print or quite literally inaccessible. Like you though I am of the opinion that if you own a physical copy of something there's no issue in then pirating another copy,.as it's unrealistic to expect someone to buy two copies of copyable media.I don't walk into a store and take their food without paying, so I don't take a film without paying.
(DIR) Post #AXQgTkVu3ggM0APSHQ by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-06T21:00:33.683174Z
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@Kirino @gamesbymanuel @MMS21 @bot @midway yOu WouLdNt dOwNLoAD a fOoD
(DIR) Post #AXQgTqNGGjKoB6Pddw by JAJAX@clubcyberia.co
2023-07-06T21:00:33.319699Z
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@MMS21 @meowski @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @bot @midway I wouldn't care that much about what adobe's doing, except keeping the really powerful tools behind the counter, making them accessible only to "professionals" conditions people to become obligate consumers.It should all be free.
(DIR) Post #AXQgdVXwYonKTh17xI by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-06T21:02:20.017126Z
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@JAJAX @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @MMS21 @bot @midway tbh i do use gimp quite frequently. you just have to get used to it. for certain things i will fire up adobe but i avoid it if possible. no doubt adobe is superior though. same with a lot of cad/cam software.
(DIR) Post #AXQgg59h8eT1Uou1NA by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-06T21:02:48.899229Z
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@bot @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @MMS21 @midway nah we're back to contract fraud vs stealing. you're missing the point here
(DIR) Post #AXQgguw0cmPw5QtpGC by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:02:58.171526Z
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There’s GIMP which is closest thing to a Photoshop alternative that I know of. Inkscape is an alternative to illustrator and I’m not sure what Kitra can be compared to.
(DIR) Post #AXQgjgYYXTrAMVFWaG by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:03:28.189027Z
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Is there a difference to you between downloading a game for free which you could easily pay for and taking a physical copy from the store?The ad is stupid yes, but it's ksy point is logical. Digital or physical you still obtained a product you did not pay for.
(DIR) Post #AXQgk77tkhZkldz7HU by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-06T21:03:32.513997Z
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@MMS21 @JAJAX @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @bot @midway gimp is not that terrible. you just have to learn how to use it
(DIR) Post #AXQgpbs4s4XLZKCnSq by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-06T21:04:32.153235Z
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@Kirino @gamesbymanuel @MMS21 @bot @midway i don't even accept this definition of product
(DIR) Post #AXQgsvU6PDlDGcZYh6 by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-06T21:05:08.088721Z
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@bot @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @MMS21 @midway it's important to not be retarded when discussing complicated issues
(DIR) Post #AXQgxXXAse9cQyD3Bo by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:05:58.000115Z
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Then define product for me.
(DIR) Post #AXQgyD0Kh8q73HAPpY by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:06:05.628260Z
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> I can safely say I don't pirate, unless something is out of print or quite literally inaccessible.Did I not just say that was my situation with HBO you NIGGER
(DIR) Post #AXQh93E3ON6buQkrVw by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-06T21:08:01.544359Z
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@Kirino @gamesbymanuel @MMS21 @bot @midway a thing that is made. (i don't accept that non-tangible goods are products although some definitions certainly include that)
(DIR) Post #AXQhAq796wXBp9NPeq by ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com
2023-07-06T21:08:21.642489Z
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@meowski @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @MMS21 @bot @midway A sale is only actually lost if the ability to pirate the product is the reason you don't end up buying it. You're not taking a product that had resources invested in it to create the very copy you're stealing, you're creating a copy of your own, imposing no actual costs on the rights holders.
(DIR) Post #AXQhBHUpJ0WGkPfCoi by JAJAX@clubcyberia.co
2023-07-06T21:08:24.117269Z
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@bot @meowski @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @MMS21 @midway You're selling a lot of open source projects short for one thing, and secondly there's no incentive for a lot of the productive work people do.The problem with gimp is probably more that nobody can agree on how to improve it. This is admittedly a problem with open source stuff, but it's a problem I'd rather have than the problems we've got.
(DIR) Post #AXQhC9WoPqC4KD0YPQ by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:08:36.470392Z
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HBO releases DVDs, yes? You could also use a VPN to access their service and provide payment, yes?Don't justify piracy with your country's specific licensing issues when it doesn't wholly prevent you from obtaining the media without pirating it.
(DIR) Post #AXQhGSPGAXnc26WnCq by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-06T21:09:22.963914Z
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@ChristiJunior @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @MMS21 @bot @midway right, and this nuance is lost on many people
(DIR) Post #AXQhGWRXA1zkYJcfJ2 by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:09:24.209329Z
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Thats not equivalent. I feel like in all these conversations you have the other side writing most of the words. Could you explain how the niggy on the film set of Fast and Furious doesnt get paid if I pirate the film?
(DIR) Post #AXQhJTqhGJrHNLnqQy by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:09:56.379002Z
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I borrowed it from a friend :-)
(DIR) Post #AXQhNGxv6YGkZnzQoq by JAJAX@clubcyberia.co
2023-07-06T21:10:32.725225Z
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@bot @meowski @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @MMS21 @midway It's *not* that lucrative, though. They have to sell to a tiny audience of professionals, which is why they've been pushing for so long to get all their stuff into a subscription model-- professionals are OK sticking with old software if it works. So they've had to make sure it stops working on its own after a specific period of time.
(DIR) Post #AXQhNvbg09q0cgtkLA by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-06T21:10:42.808362Z
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@bot @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @MMS21 @midway they're not "things" they're information.
(DIR) Post #AXQhTPjZPsArVdCqqe by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:11:42.506675Z
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That opinion isn’t worth anything if you haven’t even used it.
(DIR) Post #AXQhVPqxwZliSTcVai by pwm@crlf.ninja
2023-07-06T21:12:04.287616Z
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@bot @JAJAX @meowski @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @MMS21 @midway I'm with the commies on this, there's not a market solution to every problem. The solution is violence, of the individual, directed at the tyrant. In this context the only direct action you can personally take against your oppressor is piracy. It's civil disobedience. Short of actually breaking the legs of every adobe corpo, I think it's more than justified, so long as it continues to fall short of physical violence.idk maybe the "market" should "mail" "explosives" into adobe execs "offices"
(DIR) Post #AXQhjV2rRB0McAtppo by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-06T21:14:37.037739Z
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@bot @JAJAX @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @MMS21 @midway it's not fair to call it trash. it's inferior yes, but i've used gimp for lots of commercial web design stuff in the past. you can get by
(DIR) Post #AXQhnVXxVxEnKRMAjo by Senator_Armstrong@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:15:21.512889Z
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but if you're pro-pirating you can make fun pirate memes though. Shiver me timbers
(DIR) Post #AXQhndJicmbHQakueW by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:15:22.896785Z
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>HBO releases DVDs, yes? I’m not going to pay more simply because they’ve region blocked my country. Its on them to provide a service worth paying for.>You could also use a VPN to access their service and provide paymentIsnt that illegal like piracy? They’ve put a block in place for a reason.
(DIR) Post #AXQhrJEHFhimHjxmpE by APPTeOORuzvlGOetVY.verita84@poster.place
2023-07-06T21:16:02.954831Z
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@bot @JAJAX @meowski @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @MMS21 @midway Krita for the win
(DIR) Post #AXQi5PJTQhC3Cx7HGa by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:18:35.608757Z
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Do you accept oxygen tanks as non tangible? I mean you can't *really* touch it right? You can touch the tank sure but not what it contains. And that can surely be alikened to a dvd and the data written to it?I feel like you have come to that conclusion to justify piracy, not the other way around.
(DIR) Post #AXQi8FoPD8VobqwSum by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:19:06.649037Z
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They both do the same thing for my purposes. I’m not making film posters here.My only gripe with GIMP is that Photoshop has more tutorials as its a lot more popular and thats out of their control. Its external to the software. Thats genuinely the only problem most people will have; they want to do x but can’t figure out how.
(DIR) Post #AXQi9PLVFYAqT3yOrQ by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:19:19.481836Z
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Don't copy that floppy
(DIR) Post #AXQiFQuULYmz3aD6g4 by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:20:24.803926Z
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Films are more than you see on screen. The best boy, key grip, post production staff all also need payment.
(DIR) Post #AXQiOkxJBgTxphyWJs by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:22:05.862226Z
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"okay okay guys I know you're talking about piracy but let's kill people."Stfu fed.
(DIR) Post #AXQiSfMru8ihf3nLl2 by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:22:48.245954Z
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Alright you got me.
(DIR) Post #AXQiX9fFCmbMmYWwzo by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:23:36.911343Z
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Can you explain how they miss out on payment?
(DIR) Post #AXQibSYOuqm4WeNktk by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:24:23.587377Z
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I said for most people. Could you explain how they aren't?
(DIR) Post #AXQioFupDStl5pyMRk by pwm@crlf.ninja
2023-07-06T21:26:40.756336Z
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@Kirino where did I say that? I'm pretty certain I said that the only viable, morally acceptable act of "violence" was piracy. If you believe in the effectiveness of civil disobedience, anyway.This is directly contrasted, for effect, to the Ted solution, by me.touch grass
(DIR) Post #AXQipttc3UXFNcBpia by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:27:00.072874Z
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>I'm not going to pay moreThan don't consume the product? You're not entitled to watch a TV show just because you can't afford it, how first world is thst lmaoThe reason for that illegality is people were using it to fuck with their taxes, additionally the onus of someone accessing their media without being in the country falls on the company not the end user.If you need bread and are banned from the store you can wear a disguise right? Wearing that disguise is more justifiable to me then stealing the bread, that's small iq shit.
(DIR) Post #AXQixjSoj3sFLFOIQS by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:28:25.150118Z
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Like I said before, some people get paid based on a percentage of film sales, this extends to production staff sometimes.
(DIR) Post #AXQjXvw9pOgmS4NPhg by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:34:57.687592Z
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Wrap it all the hypothetical wink wink "right guys?" you want, only a fed or a faggot likens piracy to mail bombing executives.You sound like a nigger whose knee jerk reaction is violence or to aliken their actions to violence to larp as some sort of rebel.You're a faggot, and your mother's a whore.
(DIR) Post #AXQjaqiFhy757MGMeu by pwm@crlf.ninja
2023-07-06T21:35:28.355914Z
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@bot @meowski @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @MMS21 @midway this is a meh argument because software, once developed has very little, bordering on no cost to replicate. No one loses anything when you make a copy. I just don't think property laws are up-to-date with the computer age. The closest thing to exist previously would maybe have been books, but those aren't free to replicate. Nevertheless we built national chains of stores that let people share books, once created, because the free circulation of information outweighed the harm to publishers for not selling additional copies. Where are the publishers quashing libraries?I know you can endlessly litigate piracy with fedi anons, but neither of you are going to budge each other.
(DIR) Post #AXQjh2LVMy5Ew0ZcW0 by pwm@crlf.ninja
2023-07-06T21:36:35.765928Z
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@Kirino That's some nice fan fiction, retard. I'd entreat you to learn to read, if I thought you were capable.
(DIR) Post #AXQjoN5ycb11Jbo8yu by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-07-06T21:37:56.329845Z
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@Kirino @pwm >only a fed or a faggot likens piracy to mail bombing executivesThey're both moral obligations?
(DIR) Post #AXQjz41zqGm5NG2pKC by APPTeOORuzvlGOetVY.verita84@poster.place
2023-07-06T21:39:51.881378Z
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@s8n @pwm @Kirino
(DIR) Post #AXQk3TeOX2hXzP6qZs by pwm@crlf.ninja
2023-07-06T21:40:38.354577Z
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@s8n @Kirino
(DIR) Post #AXQk8L6piRIYwljJC4 by pwm@crlf.ninja
2023-07-06T21:41:31.820241Z
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@verita84 @s8n @Kirino
(DIR) Post #AXQk9AOf1urW0pSlYu by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:41:41.450669Z
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"sometimes reasonable men do unreasonable things."Your whole profile is some disassociative fsggot who thinks he's gonna do shit "when the time comes" maaaan. You're the modern hippie.If and when the civil war happens you'll be one of the first killed for thinking you're some kind of badass freedom fighter.Guys like you used to get killed for immediately thinking you knew better when they were just deployed. Enjoy running in a front door, setting off a boobby trap and getting your ass blown out your mouth, faggot.
(DIR) Post #AXQkS9da4r9L9wUnj6 by Tony@clew.lol
2023-07-06T21:45:07.203538Z
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You’re arguing with a guy who bites his toenails…Idk, just keep that in mind. Yes capable of just about anything…🤔🤔🤔
(DIR) Post #AXQka2xKnoVQkoUyuG by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:46:32.813926Z
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lmao fairI'm not even arguing though, just shitting on the one in a million faggot who thinks he's an ooperator / rebel for doing shit 13 year olds were doing in '11 :p
(DIR) Post #AXQkaSQy4m43lxYV4C by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:46:37.233142Z
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Nope. You keep making comparisons to real life objects. We’re talking about data here that can be effortlessly copied. This is the nature of the platform they decided to distribute on.Maybe companies should revert back to selling physical copies of whatever they offer if piracy is really hurting their sales.
(DIR) Post #AXQkiYSlXnmYmuG1Z2 by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:48:05.192945Z
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I would be 100% for this.Relying on a server to indefinitely host your products is much more retarded than selling a million physical copies.
(DIR) Post #AXQkk5Vu9Fjxa9SN96 by pwm@crlf.ninja
2023-07-06T21:48:20.812148Z
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@Kirino you're reading way too much into this. I just post. It is le funny to reference total nigger death, total corpo death, the killdozer guy, the unabomber. All of it is amusing, because it is ridiculous and extreme; bizzare, but real. I'm sorry if you don't find that funny, you're missing out on a lot of entertainment.I'm not a badass, nor an internet tough guy. People laugh when they would otherwise cry. You're autistic, but that's not much of an insult, we're both posting here and litigating what is acceptable to post. I'm only mildly better than you for being moderately self-aware.
(DIR) Post #AXQkqUDXDHw7w8uo88 by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:49:31.184676Z
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"I'm only doing it as a joke bro"At least stand by what you say, at least than you'd earn a little respect from me.
(DIR) Post #AXQl0IbfEkV6p2sf9U by sargoysmuck@poa.st
2023-07-06T21:51:17.611721Z
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@Kirino @MMS21 @meowski @gamesbymanuel @bot @midway The costumer is the product and they self host though
(DIR) Post #AXQl4Yn90EY2B6HYhM by Hoss@shitpost.cloud
2023-07-06T21:52:02.430598Z
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I just don't wanna pay and nobody can stop me lol. I'll pirate shit from people I hate and pirate shit from people I like. I just ain't paying lol. Sorry fam, that's just the nature of offering up an intangible product for sale.
(DIR) Post #AXQl6rZGAHPSzRszPU by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:52:28.687185Z
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I more mean as a rule to preserve the information. DVDs are barely produced anymore but what happens if Netflix/HBO/Whoever the fuck go down?It's important to note I'm not justifying piracy, there's a huge difference between archiving something and redistributing it while it is still in publication by the first party.1,000,000 copies dvds of a show beats 1 server plus a handful of guys who download the files.
(DIR) Post #AXQlEZ7SdhC05eYXRY by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:53:51.492262Z
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Companies want my money on their terms. I can bypass all that nonsense easily and still enjoy whatever it is that they’re selling. Did you even read my gaming example? They used to offer trial versions of games so you can test them on your system before purchasing. I’ve just restored a feature lost to greed, no pirated game on my PC has longer than a few hours play time.The ball is in their court to do something about it if they want my money.
(DIR) Post #AXQlH80tsHQ4tLi2nA by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:54:20.096234Z
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That's their right as it's their media, I disagree with the model nit their right to do it.Want to stop bullshit subscription services? Buy physical media.
(DIR) Post #AXQlHnGEWB2uomCMsq by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-07-06T21:54:27.325750Z
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@Hoss @JAJAX @pwm @meowski @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @MMS21 @bot @midway copyright and IP protections are just government subsidies and if they can't survive without help from the government then that's just a failed business model propped up by thugs in suits
(DIR) Post #AXQlMUKYKOPNYRSQW8 by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:55:18.211694Z
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I'll agree on your point but not your conclusion. Denis desperately need to come back.
(DIR) Post #AXQlSJ3h9KQKKhLYrQ by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:56:21.131498Z
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am strong and scrappy if me think someone being stoopid >:D
(DIR) Post #AXQlWggNG5O2l8WmH3 by Senator_Armstrong@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:57:08.550758Z
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pretty sure I pirated every anime I ever watched tbh
(DIR) Post #AXQlWq6EFKPpxvh3K4 by Hoss@shitpost.cloud
2023-07-06T21:57:09.728084Z
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Hey, at least I'm not pretending like my propensity to take whatever media product I desire without forking over my wagiebux is activism or something like a cringelord.
(DIR) Post #AXQlY6LVKOysdtRLxg by pwm@crlf.ninja
2023-07-06T21:57:23.005328Z
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@Kirino I don't want or need respect from internet people, why do you think that I do?
(DIR) Post #AXQlZTG7cgBHzoZksC by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:57:38.686566Z
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I disagree that it's the results of "intangible" products.Even when media was physical someone would sell pirate copies for cheaper.
(DIR) Post #AXQlc3v6I01sHEyjxY by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:58:06.649764Z
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They obviously don’t want my money otherwise they would have made it possible. Name one company that closed due to piracy.
(DIR) Post #AXQli9BnbwOSMCgtpQ by Hoss@shitpost.cloud
2023-07-06T21:59:12.319711Z
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It's intangible even when sold on a piece of physical media. You're not paying for the disc it's on.
(DIR) Post #AXQliskmCk6tfiOy5w by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:59:21.040643Z
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I don't, I'm just saying someone comes off as someone who can't be respected in any area of life if their entire philosophy goes out the window because someone called them a fairy.
(DIR) Post #AXQlkp1F3maCfX1oQ4 by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:59:41.941715Z
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How widespread is piracy on consoles like the Xbox, Playstation and Nintendo Switch?
(DIR) Post #AXQlucd9yUaB8uRAIK by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:01:28.256614Z
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idk if you’re implying that I’m doing that bc I’m not. My entire argument has always been “if they want me to pay then maybe they should provide a good reason and a way to”. I don’t give a shit if its “immoral”.
(DIR) Post #AXQlwoho3F6lAhenQ0 by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:01:52.066679Z
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But you're paying for the production cost, labor cost, distribution cost, etc etc which were all tangible and all went into presenting you with the product in question.Even if you go fully digital (retarded) the distribution cost just gets replaced with server cost.
(DIR) Post #AXQlzL5GdkZEAdpje4 by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:02:19.361065Z
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So use a VPN, like I suggested
(DIR) Post #AXQm1vtSknmuueY568 by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:02:47.238808Z
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Voting with your wallet doesn’t work
(DIR) Post #AXQm3ndWQNxhsnyzM8 by sargoysmuck@poa.st
2023-07-06T22:03:07.963528Z
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@Kirino @meowski @gamesbymanuel @MMS21 @bot @midway Fine it’s my right spam them with emails with crypto miners since ones own hw is subject to use by others apparently. They should of read the terms and conditions I put on the stickynote on my desk…
(DIR) Post #AXQm3xkcopaNFjNnoe by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:03:09.383195Z
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Does for the lobbyists :ablobcatrainbow:
(DIR) Post #AXQm5HEtqavnz5Acka by Flak@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T21:55:06.175861Z
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Not reading all of the thread but you are so true and right and everyone should listen to you
(DIR) Post #AXQm7qLoH5vxSYct60 by Hoss@shitpost.cloud
2023-07-06T22:03:50.237230Z
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Really? I thought people paid for video games to play them, movies to see them, and music to listen to. I guess I've been consuming media wrong my whole life.
(DIR) Post #AXQm84XJX7SFSI7GyG by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:03:54.051421Z
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That... Is beyond retarded.
(DIR) Post #AXQm8g5zt8BNwZczfU by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:04:00.568717Z
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How do we get them back?I AM NEVER GOING TO SIMP FOR ANY COMPANY. You niggers can fuck off.
(DIR) Post #AXQmAHzkSubPm9TPoO by pwm@crlf.ninja
2023-07-06T22:04:17.192996Z
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@Kirino This only makes sense if you roll with your original, false, premise. It really is nonsensical.
(DIR) Post #AXQmBS4WU7CdJoGFFY by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:04:30.689735Z
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That's why you consume it, you pay to support the production of what you onsume.
(DIR) Post #AXQmCucJq9iG8glVQG by sargoysmuck@poa.st
2023-07-06T22:04:46.610268Z
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@Kirino @meowski @gamesbymanuel @MMS21 @bot @midway I’m not getting paid to be data mined? Why should they.
(DIR) Post #AXQmFdpchjluwtI17g by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:05:16.105954Z
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They don’t make it easy to purchase outside of Japan. Even crunchroll is complete dogshit.
(DIR) Post #AXQmG6TeCWQNn8ENOa by Hoss@shitpost.cloud
2023-07-06T22:05:20.329451Z
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I consume it because brain feel good.
(DIR) Post #AXQmHxKPBiMXzln7SK by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:05:41.366986Z
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>hey man let's wink wink bomb people in a reasonable man in an unreasonable time!>Bro I just say it as jokes!!At least I don't back off when I say the word nigger and pretend I'm doing it ironically, pussy.
(DIR) Post #AXQmLKlwTnZdZhHYtU by Hoss@shitpost.cloud
2023-07-06T22:06:17.718619Z
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And by consume I mean consume the media product, not consume as in paying.
(DIR) Post #AXQmR3AIr5OuhlP10q by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:07:19.819405Z
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UK has dogshit imports from what I know, which is why you should endeavor to support what is imported to demonstrate there is a market for it to those companies.Pay companies you likeDon't pay companies you don't likeDon't stealFor me at least it's that simple.
(DIR) Post #AXQmUqvwH48bvYUsO8 by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:08:01.162893Z
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You are the type to suck dick for coke because you need the hit
(DIR) Post #AXQmWhBpTKaMHqoAz2 by Hoss@shitpost.cloud
2023-07-06T22:08:20.440053Z
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I didn't scroll up. I only read pwm's post that I replied to.
(DIR) Post #AXQmeTyOUlpRc3ElbE by Hoss@shitpost.cloud
2023-07-06T22:09:44.675728Z
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That's payment.
(DIR) Post #AXQmiPgmMiidU4s91E by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:10:28.108412Z
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Not what I was saying but okay.
(DIR) Post #AXQmnJfCCC5GFCTAky by pwm@crlf.ninja
2023-07-06T22:11:19.812472Z
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@Kirino Ya know what no. Lol. Fuck off.I explained my posts and that was the only mistake I have made.You did not laugh, you're not going to laugh. Suck my dick.
(DIR) Post #AXQmpvuix6lLSGyrS4 by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:11:49.889169Z
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Big mad at the internet.
(DIR) Post #AXQmy52etmAi57ZpQm by pwm@crlf.ninja
2023-07-06T22:13:17.341550Z
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@Kirino there's nothing funny about explaining things to people, except to laugh at anyone who thinks thye can
(DIR) Post #AXQn00D3psCTfqMJfM by FUCKINGWHOCARESDUDE@5dollah.click
2023-07-06T22:13:36.256922Z
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@midway @gamesbymanuel Bad analogy, since you can duplicate software an unlimited number of times
(DIR) Post #AXQn3nmHzz0qH9eGhc by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:14:19.887539Z
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Someone is mad that they are just another compromised morals fag.Next time double down, it would of been funnier if you went. "Yes, we should bomb executives."
(DIR) Post #AXQn7bnsSeVgIQCrwW by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-06T22:14:59.193926Z
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@Kirino @gamesbymanuel @MMS21 @bot @midway ur not too bright are you. oxygen is a tangible gas made of atoms. it's physical matter. just because you can't easily see it doesn't mean it's not physical "stuff" not the same as information
(DIR) Post #AXQn9Nz0oemE0oGJZQ by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:15:20.465317Z
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Or I could just ignore all that and pirate, which results in me still getting what I want and money in my pocket. Oh and a non raped version of that thing I pirated.I’m only being an ass because neither you or bot answered any of my questions.Can you recall a company that closed due to piracy? I thought piracy affects further production.
(DIR) Post #AXQnATZrVB3zeV1BoG by Hoss@shitpost.cloud
2023-07-06T22:15:30.328176Z
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Make a less retarded analogy if you want whatever point you're trying make to be understood. The point I was making is that nobody but turbo autists are forking over money to "support" anything. Audiences who go to watch Marvelshit for example aren't paying to support the actors, or the directors, or the production staff or any of that bullshit. They're paying to go watch Iron Man fight CGI bad guys for 90 minutes and get that dopamine and serotonin rush. That is why they are paying. Not for any other reason.
(DIR) Post #AXQnH45seD6Mdx8WMS by pwm@crlf.ninja
2023-07-06T22:16:42.379843Z
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@Kirino Say what you want. Yes, it would have been funnier but I took it personally that you didn't get it, which was retarded.
(DIR) Post #AXQnIo1LNVe1N9qQHg by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:17:02.214706Z
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I'm saying you just want a hit and that you are a brainless consumer, no better than someone who fags themselves for drugs.
(DIR) Post #AXQnItH7qGEtfYGb4q by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-06T22:17:01.751940Z
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@bot @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @MMS21 @midway there are ways to make a living with non tangible information services that don't involve contract fraud or persecuting people for copying information
(DIR) Post #AXQnTS05aankGOKjxY by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:18:57.871029Z
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What questions didn't I answer? I don't really care that you pirate, I'm just presenting my take on things.I'm not even against pirating, I just think the specific cases you lay out aren't that convincing to me.
(DIR) Post #AXQnU1URdisaKfnydM by Hoss@shitpost.cloud
2023-07-06T22:19:03.980045Z
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I consume entertainment to be entertained. You consume entertainment to...huff your own farts? I'm not really sure, perhaps you can elaborate on that.
(DIR) Post #AXQnY9W3k0HWNoWsgy by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:19:49.289131Z
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"I consume because brain feel good" made you sound like a drug addict. It really wasn't that deep dude lmao
(DIR) Post #AXQnbLgsvsab0j7K3U by pwm@crlf.ninja
2023-07-06T22:20:23.284452Z
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@Kirino @JAJAX @meowski @gamesbymanuel @MMS21 @bot @Hoss @midway > It really wasn't that deep dude lmaot.
(DIR) Post #AXQnfbCXCtAyH2woOu by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:21:09.999240Z
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In my case it wasn't, half my posts in this thread are throwing shit.You put your morals on the line, got made fun of by an anime Avi and ducked. Shameful.
(DIR) Post #AXQngiZHIpMpPZ7Rvk by Hoss@shitpost.cloud
2023-07-06T22:21:21.579526Z
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Neither was my post, but it sure seemed to get your tighty-whities in a bunch.
(DIR) Post #AXQnjWMBA0HEPKKRfc by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:21:52.470662Z
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Yeah man I'm big mad bro, got me so hecking furious over here!!! >:O
(DIR) Post #AXQnpcD2JVZ4IQxTto by pwm@crlf.ninja
2023-07-06T22:22:57.828015Z
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@Kirino you told lots of jokes I guess you're freeIt's fine when you do it, ass
(DIR) Post #AXQnseon4PTFFy4Hqa by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:23:31.584301Z
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Because mine are funny :blobcatcomfcool:
(DIR) Post #AXQnvkDBTRTKqvwxt2 by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:24:04.732447Z
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More like “adobe is run by kikes but I need to quickly edit this video, what video editing software will have the best tutorials so I can do this”.If I actually used it more than once I’d consider paying, provided they don’t ass rape paying customers.With the films, well they’re available on whatever services we’ve subscribed to and if they’re not, I wasn’t supposed to have access anyway.
(DIR) Post #AXQnxEHz8FyeQSu68u by pwm@crlf.ninja
2023-07-06T22:24:20.546985Z
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@Kirino I have committed the unforgivable sin of being unfunny online, I must now commit honorable sudoku
(DIR) Post #AXQo10vQlCZK8Z9u76 by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:25:02.268772Z
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yish dis is for da besht me thinks
(DIR) Post #AXQoDXEOTQp5o600PI by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:27:17.648183Z
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See this is the only point you made that I actively care about.Destruction of media or art is in my opinion immoral. "Pirating" become MANDATORY when something becomes inaccessible.The amount of games/movies/shows which nearly went extinct is fucking scary.
(DIR) Post #AXQoHZmOwMZUrxph7g by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:28:01.794941Z
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I'll disagree here, blockbuster went out of business due to more profitable and easier to access models (netflix)
(DIR) Post #AXQoOq7CbUanYn1f1M by APPTeOORuzvlGOetVY.verita84@poster.place
2023-07-06T22:29:20.628597Z
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@bot @JAJAX @pwm @meowski @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @MMS21 @Senator_Armstrong @Hoss @midway What was real reason my my childhood history ending then ?
(DIR) Post #AXQoTWeYOHaEeCrOGe by pwm@crlf.ninja
2023-07-06T22:30:10.472949Z
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@verita84 @JAJAX @meowski @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @MMS21 @Senator_Armstrong @bot @Hoss @midway
(DIR) Post #AXQoZxaRAIMxuz0EkK by APPTeOORuzvlGOetVY.verita84@poster.place
2023-07-06T22:31:21.246808Z
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@pwm @JAJAX @meowski @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @MMS21 @Senator_Armstrong @bot @Hoss @midway Little did he know I edited the post :comrade_feelsbad:
(DIR) Post #AXQocsMX2rnGaGtBhY by pwm@crlf.ninja
2023-07-06T22:31:49.591752Z
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@verita84 @JAJAX @meowski @gamesbymanuel @Kirino @MMS21 @Senator_Armstrong @bot @Hoss @midway that's cheating!
(DIR) Post #AXQoelME3o4HRCe5y4 by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:32:12.740301Z
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@MMS21 AM SORRI FREN THOUGHT YOU WERE JAX I CARE ABOUT YOU A LOT!!!!
(DIR) Post #AXQonrzkkenyd7Tcsi by JAJAX@clubcyberia.co
2023-07-06T22:33:46.153909Z
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@Kirino @pwm @meowski @gamesbymanuel @MMS21 @bot @Hoss @midway damn why does everyone hate me
(DIR) Post #AXQowa68f4ltjIcLo0 by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:35:26.320475Z
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Fair point, I don't know the ins and outs of their business and bankruptcies so I can't really comment further.
(DIR) Post #AXQp8R1yCPA35DJtqq by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:37:34.660169Z
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erm what happened
(DIR) Post #AXQp9wwv0oyQMlgC1o by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:37:51.134434Z
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NUUUU NO HATE U!!let me eggsplain ^^Me said earlier in conversation I didn't really care if you pirated and I was just providing my take on it see? So if I say to you "that's the only point I care about" you have the context that it's within this subject.MMS21 did no have that context so to him it looked like I was just saying "that's the only thing you've said that I care about."ME NO HATE U, U IS FREN EBEN IF DIRTY PIRATE!!!
(DIR) Post #AXQpDu9pKlsErkbSfA by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:38:34.220210Z
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"this is the only point you made that I care about"IT SOUNDS SOOO RUDE OUT OF CONTEXT!!!!
(DIR) Post #AXQpInI8HzYT1FosAy by JAJAX@clubcyberia.co
2023-07-06T22:39:22.372502Z
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@Kirino @pwm @meowski @gamesbymanuel @MMS21 @bot @Hoss @midway I am BLAZED right now, so I'll forgive
(DIR) Post #AXQpSVuvk0Hs1ubMEC by MMS21@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:41:12.303682Z
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I didn’t see it that way. You can’t hurt my feelings if I don’t have any :-)
(DIR) Post #AXQpY2qAlDHnaU0tvs by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:42:12.348656Z
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U NO GOTTA FORGIV ME NO DO NOTHING WRONG U IS FREN AND KE NEVER SAID OTHERWISE!! >:O
(DIR) Post #AXQpZx3jE6F8EhGORc by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:42:32.923068Z
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Nuuuuu u have feelings and me make dem warm and fuzzy just like mine ^^
(DIR) Post #AXQq7OVOCf6qun9Frc by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-07-06T22:48:35.855394Z
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@bot IT NOT GAY TO WANT MAKE PEOPLE COMFI, JUST CUZ U NEBER MAKE PEOPLE COMFO DOES NO MEAN ME CAN'Tdis why me no let you wear my hoodie no more
(DIR) Post #AXQqPjmNqTHy6kqNhw by JAJAX@clubcyberia.co
2023-07-06T22:51:51.148695Z
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@Kirino @pwm @meowski @gamesbymanuel @MMS21 @bot @Hoss @midway ConnectivityBluetooth 5.0 wireless technology
(DIR) Post #AXQsv3wd7ZSjXDhXeq by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2023-07-06T23:19:58.630132Z
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So? That doesn't mean it's not valuable.
(DIR) Post #AXQt1VXzPNQQsdFVmi by FUCKINGWHOCARESDUDE@5dollah.click
2023-07-06T23:21:05.369464Z
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@midway @gamesbymanuel It does mean that it can't be "taken" though, since it is only making a copy
(DIR) Post #AXQtIOdANQfwLsiviK by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2023-07-06T23:24:11.631614Z
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@FUCKINGWHOCARESDUDE @gamesbymanuel Intellectual property is still property.
(DIR) Post #AXQz9RkY0i2990I9ke by norapink@mastodon.social
2023-07-07T00:29:47Z
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@freemo @gamesbymanuel @Illuminatus its pretty messed up to compare piracy to slavery. Slavery is one of the worst things one can do to another. Piracy is not that at all.
(DIR) Post #AXRGpwsGNZVx3fkkgS by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2023-07-07T03:47:55.752716Z
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@gamesbymanuel I buy a copy and then remove the #DRM. If neither a physical nor an #iTunes version is available, I buy a bootleg (which are quite plentiful on #eBay and #Etsy at the moment).It’s nice to have one “legitimate” copy and one digital copy I can do whatever I want with, especially when it comes to physical discs, because the art tends to be quite nice!
(DIR) Post #AXRGqQ9zUjvTt3GoqG by hyde@lazybear.social
2023-07-07T03:48:03Z
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@gamesbymanuel @Illuminatus that's exactly how I felt with light room on osx before selling that old Mac I used to have.The software wasn't working anymore after multiple updates and I had to "rent" it. That's when I moved completely to #darktable
(DIR) Post #AXRIPbRLeElAxcjFsO by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-07T04:05:34Z
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@norapink @gamesbymanuel @Illuminatus Yea its a fairly hyperbolic analogy, but then again so is the idea thst it isnt stealing.
(DIR) Post #AXRMjegtfeuseQopuK by gamesbymanuel@peoplemaking.games
2023-07-06T23:31:59Z
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@midway@FUCKINGWHOCARESDUDE Huh? When you download a movie, you're not taking anyone's intellectual property. They still own it.By now I think you're just arguing in bad faith, and I won't reply further.
(DIR) Post #AXRMjfQcvdUowGDMBc by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2023-07-07T04:54:03.859193Z
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Not true. Part of ownership is deciding who can use it and under what terms. If you wish to charge someone to use it, that’s fine. If you wish for it to be viewed for free, that’s fine. But it’s your decision as the creator of the content.
(DIR) Post #AXS2QF8qdNSHz6Jpuy by besserwisser@shitposter.club
2023-07-07T12:41:10.736811Z
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@norapink @freemo @gamesbymanuel @Illuminatus RMS argues one shouldn't call copyright infringement piracy since actual high seas piracy, while not as common anymore, is a very serious crime.
(DIR) Post #AXS2pA4gbv8dVbFpQm by besserwisser@shitposter.club
2023-07-07T12:45:40.687030Z
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@Moon @gamesbymanuel @Illuminatus Legally yes, but excuse me for not being appalled by someone pirating a product they weren't allowed to purchase. Even the spurious "lost sale" argument against piracy doesn't work anymore then.
(DIR) Post #AXS4oU68sVQFEGjxEO by coolboymew@shitposter.club
2023-07-07T13:07:54.058676Z
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@gamesbymanuel there really needs to be digital ownership laws badly. Everything is starting to nickel and dime you over everything, everything is starting go to slowly go digital only where you own absolutely nothing, which is scary in a lot of ways because a lot of these services censor old stuff a lot too, missing scenes, missing episodes, etc.Then there's the scary Amazon story where some dude's smart home stopped working and that can't be legal
(DIR) Post #AXS4rUs6SUIwUsbsoK by stevewfolds@mastodon.world
2023-07-06T16:00:37Z
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@gamesbymanuel @Illuminatus I’m a Luddite, phone & desktop music & video has multiple backups of CD & DVDs on shelves, 1 offsite. Streamed 1 piece from Bandcamp & bought the CD when it came out.
(DIR) Post #AXS4rVpet3wXTaTRdg by nus@mstdn.social
2023-07-06T16:03:10Z
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@stevewfolds Bandcamp is lovely because they give you CD quality audio from the jump, even if you're just downloading. I hope they never stop.
(DIR) Post #AXS4vc3FhpjtvImt5k by matty@nicecrew.digital
2023-07-07T13:09:13.327431Z
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@gamesbymanuel @Illuminatus I think software pirates use a lot of mental gymnastics to justify stealing software, but this is a pretty good point in particular. For the record, we all do it, I don't care, but to try to frame it as "copying isn't stealing" is a bit disingenuous, in my opinion.
(DIR) Post #AXS5Kcl8DBozMFEogC by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2023-07-07T13:13:46.648310Z
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@matty @Illuminatus @gamesbymanuel The OP quote is semantics but probably true for some people. A lot of pirates would move the goalpost and keep on sailing the seven seas if you did "own" software. But if software was mass acquirable for incredibly cheap, I think the 'problem' would shrink dramatically as we saw with music subscription services and the pioneer stage of Netflix.
(DIR) Post #AXS5SttMOeDeoK28EC by ImperialAgent@mugicha.club
2023-07-07T13:15:16.603703Z
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Yeah I hate kikes too.
(DIR) Post #AXS5kNvzx6QIuPbXpw by matty@nicecrew.digital
2023-07-07T13:18:23.798179Z
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@BowsacNoodle @Illuminatus @gamesbymanuel Absolutely. Software is exceptionally expensive nowadays. I'm fairly certain the Adobe suite is like $100/month. Video games are broken messes with half billion dollar budgets. No one in their right mind would pay for it. I support sailing the seven seas in these contexts because giving money to developers who make shitty products for exorbitant prices only helps perpetuate the problem.
(DIR) Post #AXS607hC5yVHB8BVGS by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2023-07-07T13:21:16.321088Z
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@matty @Illuminatus @gamesbymanuel Subscription services suck too. I should've added that to my last post, but it's rent seeking a la owning nothing and being happy. Adobe used to have this understanding that people would buy Photoshop when they needed it for pro use, but they'd pirate it when they were young and just trying to figure out the software. Now it's timed licenses for everything, which makes me sad as someone who grew up in "the golden age" of software.
(DIR) Post #AXS60xfCsboMM1eeO0 by Tsuki@amami.paradigm-x.tokyo
2023-07-07T13:21:25.858490Z
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I think you should pay for things you enjoy but piracy is absolutely necessary if we also want to preserve these things. Discs will rot and streaming services will die but if people are still sharing pirated copies it can live indefinitely.
(DIR) Post #AXS6UX8K5FEol8NHkm by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2023-07-07T13:26:46.110681Z
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So someone is only entitles to sell 1 copy of their work because once they do that it's public domain? Yeah, that's not going to work.You may have an expectation of how a digital marketplace works, but it's up to you to understand how it works before putting down your money. I think these markets should also make their terms readily accessible and understandable, but the point stands that the seller can set terms of the transaction. It's then up to the buyers whether they accept them or not.
(DIR) Post #AXS6mEZXpbpaPEY0zA by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-07-07T13:29:56.869504Z
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> So someone is only entitles to sell 1 copy of their work because once they do that it's public domain? Yeah, that's not going to work.And yet it moves.Copyright has been functionally dead for decades now. I can download any book, piece of music or film in history without paying a dime. It's not even that they sell one copy then it goes public, it leaks before they even make their first sale.And yet people still pay for music, books and films. Those industries are bigger than ever. The rise of filesharing has proven that copyright is an unnecessary evil. People voluntarily pay for good art without having to be locked down with ten flavours of DRM.
(DIR) Post #AXS77l83yu59SaxPzk by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2023-07-07T13:33:51.525091Z
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The fact that they are still in business justifies your theft? Yeah, looters use that reasoning to justify their actions as well. Like I've said elsewhere in this thread. We've all done it at some point. My larger objection is trying to morally justifying it. If you're going to steal, at least have the balls to say that's what you're doing and that it's not some noble act.
(DIR) Post #AXS7CwXgySJcJ2Pv0a by WeebFirstGames@poa.st
2023-07-07T13:34:45.395541Z
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@matty @BowsacNoodle @Illuminatus @gamesbymanuel I will do it for a series I really like.Say if Suikoden 6 came out, I would fork shitloads over to it cause I am desperate for the series to come back (Not the shitty DS or PSP version though).
(DIR) Post #AXS7jBUyu0uxxVWToW by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-07-07T13:40:36.444948Z
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The fact that they're still in business disproves your claim that works going public domain would kill the industry.Anyhow it's still not functionally equivalent to theft. If I loot a TV that means the shop no longer has a TV. If I download a film the studio still has their film.My moral compass as regards media is simple:- Did I enjoy it? I only pay for media that's actually good and only as much as I think it's worth. This requires consuming first and paying later.- Has the production been paid off? If it's something that was made 50 years ago and the creator is dead I'm not paying off a rent seeker.- Is the producer trying to harm me? If the creator is going to use my money to hurt me, my nation or anyone I care about, they don't get any.Anyhow, as I've said the debate on copyright vs. public domain is over. Public domain won and their victory disproved the claims made by copyright proponents.The only arena where copyright still functionally exists is in suppressing derivative works and "similar" works. The fact that jews can shut down any creative project they like because there's something "similar" in their stable is a major problem.
(DIR) Post #AXS8NFYPFDbg7SEI1A by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2023-07-07T13:47:51.798432Z
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You can try to justify it all you want, you're still a thief. I'm sure many thieves construct narratives in their head to justify why they steal. This is just your version of that. It's just ok to steal what you want to steal and it's bad when other people steal what they want to steal. And like I said, I get it. It happens. But just state that and leave it at that. Your "moral compass" is just a rationalization engine to help you justify in your head why it's ok.
(DIR) Post #AXS8YwvsIwA5qBmlkm by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-07-07T13:49:58.085753Z
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You can call any behaviour stealing and anyone a thief. The moral failure doesn't come from the word, it comes from the consequences. Me stealing a TV deprives someone of a TV. Me downloading a movie deprives no one of anything.So my conscience is clean and your accusations ring hollow. Your moral compass seems to be a rationalisation engine for why we should all fork over billions of dollars to jew propagandists.
(DIR) Post #AXS8ojQsGU4KbXoKqu by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2023-07-07T13:52:49.689171Z
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You are depriving the inventors of the fruits of their work.The fact that you don't respect them doesn't change that.
(DIR) Post #AXS8zl36avTcntx0lc by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-07-07T13:54:48.911924Z
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Nope! They still have the fruits of their work. The fact that I now have a copy deprives them of nothing.Unless of course you're referring to profits, in which case yes I'm depriving them of those. But no business is *entitled* to a profit and I wouldn't be rewarding them with one whether or not I watched their film.
(DIR) Post #AXS96FCvNaC04ldWsq by Silent@nicecrew.digital
2023-07-07T13:55:59.082510Z
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(DIR) Post #AXS9TkOfaGJNT7KyyO by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2023-07-07T14:00:14.558151Z
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If you didn't pay for it, you have deprived them of the money for the purchase. That is the fruits of their work.You speak of entitlement, but that's exactly what you are claiming. They aren't entitled to your money but you are entitled to their work because ... reasons.
(DIR) Post #AXS9stmfosqJp1YfKa by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-07-07T14:04:46.528940Z
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Nope. The fruits of their work is what they have created. If I farm lemons the fruits of my work are lemons and I'm entitled to keep them. I am not entitled to anyone else's money for doing so, if I can't sell my lemons that's my problem. Also if someone else manages to reproduce my farming techniques and make more lemons then that also isn't depriving me of anything.Piracy isn't so much a question of something I'm entitled to do as something I can do which causes zero harm to anyone.
(DIR) Post #AXSA9v4CIuisiss3cG by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2023-07-07T14:07:47.087072Z
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@midway I'm sorry, you seem to have been conned hard by corporate propaganda.Sharing information with your neighbor is good, even if it makes a business imagine that they lost money they weren't going to get in the first place.I myself wouldn't mind paying an artist for a work, as long as I can pay with only free software, but I find it unacceptable to pay a business that will take 100% of the profit and use it to fund degeneracy like proprietary software and digital handcuffs.I'll leave you some further reading:https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.en.htmlhttps://stallman.org/articles/end-war-on-sharing.htmlhttps://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.html
(DIR) Post #AXSAW5NWe6af4iTtVA by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2023-07-07T14:11:48.209739Z
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@midway >If you didn't pay for it, you have deprived them of the money for the purchase. That is the fruits of their work.I was walking down the street with a want for $1000. I asked the first person I saw for $1000 and he no! He has deprived me of $1000!>They aren't entitled to your money but you are entitled to their work because ... reasons. They are entitled to how much time they would like to spend on the work and the terms of distribution (i.e. pay $10 for a copy of the file), anything more is ridiculous really.
(DIR) Post #AXSBNkzUf8o3Tuph5M by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2023-07-07T14:21:33.984362Z
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@Suiseiseki Just demanding money isn’t depriving you because there is no exchange. The exchange with digital assets is the use of those assets. You are claiming entitlement to use something without paying for it. That is entirely different from demanding money from someone on the street.
(DIR) Post #AXSBUND9TPLXl0NOIS by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2023-07-07T14:22:45.613751Z
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@Eiregoat @gamesbymanuel Except the creator.
(DIR) Post #AXSBZXLNEC3sdAgTXU by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-07-07T14:23:40.792224Z
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Nope. No harm done. If I like it then he made a sale, if I didn't then he loses nothing because I wasn't going to give him money without watching it anyhow.
(DIR) Post #AXSC6o7Xs9naDh53tw by gamesbymanuel@peoplemaking.games
2023-07-07T14:28:25Z
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@midway Your second paragraph is what this comes down to. Digital purchases are presented as something you're buying, when in fact you're just granted access, which can be revoked at any time.
(DIR) Post #AXSC6osh2rVqZv8iOG by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2023-07-07T14:29:42.248101Z
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@gamesbymanuel Maybe you should actually read the terms of the transaction. Yes, they should be more clear but that doesn’t mean you aren’t bound to them.
(DIR) Post #AXSC9KlJU2Im2Ct1Xs by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2023-07-07T14:30:06.812215Z
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@midway Referring to published works as "digital assets" devalues such works - it dismisses their value to society aside from potential commercial profits.You are demanding the entitlement of restricting someones ability to share with their neighbor, even after payment for the work in question has been received.Merely watching a video, or running some software doesn't even "use" it, as you cannot possible consume or exhaust digital information.If you are worried sick about someone watching a video you made, or running some software you run without paying you, even after being paid the price you set for x copies distributed, you should probably not have make the video or written the software in the first place.
(DIR) Post #AXSIy8xliAAHvyK7NI by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2023-07-07T15:46:34.512321Z
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But you don’t own it. What you purchased was a license to use and that license has term and conditions. If you don’t like them, don’t use the product. Just like a rental car. You are paying for a right to use it. Could you potentially buy the cat from the agency? Sure but that is a different transaction at a different price. Could you buy the full rights to the digital product? Sure, but that’s a different transaction with a different price.
(DIR) Post #AXSKZInODUtf68kdkm by souldessin@noagendasocial.com
2023-07-07T16:04:30Z
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@gamesbymanuelLook at all of the nonsense with old movies and music, it's nearly impossible to find some of the classics now. Even if you bought it on physical media, they just stop producing the players.Heck, Hitchcock is dead (and nearly all of the actors), but we have to still pay someone just to watch one of the movies. Where does that money even go?Lastly, don't forget all of the time paid by watching ads.
(DIR) Post #AXTgm98JqRlD2q1x5c by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2023-07-08T07:47:58.476271Z
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@midway >But you don’t own it.Nobody should ever "own" digital information that they have sent to other people.>What you purchased was a license to use and that license has term and conditions. If you don’t like them, don’t use the product. If you ever end up agreeing to a proprietary license, it is your duty to break such antisocial terms, although it's better not to agree to such terms in the first place, as breaking them can sometimes be illegal. If you don't like how I would like to share information with my neighbors, you shouldn't have released that information.>Just like a rental car.No, as a physical object is scarce and cannot be copied, unlike digital information, which once exists, is not scare and can easily be copied. >You are paying for a right to use it.You are paying for the ability to deprive the usage of the rental car from the rental company and resulting physical wear on that car - not a "right to use".Making a copy of digital information leaves the original one unchanged - usage of the original copy is in no way deprived and no wear is caused.>Could you potentially buy the cat from the agency?Yes, as the rental company isn't bothered if they lose a rental car, if they receive enough money - as all they care about is money.If you pay them enough money, they'll be more than happy to do the insane task of driving any of their perfectly good rental cars to a scrapyard and getting it scrapped.>Could you buy the full rights to the digital product? Sure, but that’s a different transaction with a different price.This is a false parallel, as I've mentioned, nothing is lost when a copy of digital information is made.The only thing that I can think of that is remotely similar is, if you were to pay any business enough money, such business will be happy to do the insane task of depriving themselves of the usage of any copies of digital information that they have by deleting all copies of it that they have.Here is a good article that describes why proprietary licensing is of no value to society: http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/07/07/producing-nothing.html
(DIR) Post #AXU4vuMG20I713jnea by applejack@gameliberty.club
2023-07-08T12:18:43Z
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@gamesbymanuel @Illuminatus There's no contradiction. If you think IP is legitimate to any degree people can sell/lease it to you on whatever terms they want
(DIR) Post #AXUPOCwcWEKBqvWAT2 by amelie@kind.social
2023-07-06T15:31:12Z
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@gamesbymanuel @Illuminatus I was inspired to sloganize it a bit further.
(DIR) Post #AXUPQ6uvtn5XjrdUDg by t36s@social.ordinal.garden
2023-07-07T15:46:45Z
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@gamesbymanuel Your edit has forced my hand.
(DIR) Post #AXUd6502iXj7MGMvHk by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2023-07-08T18:41:31.925257Z
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Claiming something has no value to society isn't up to any one person. Society itself decides that as it's subjective. Saying that you can only make money based on time you worked is a silly argument. Investments can produce passive income. And the business model depends on having more than one person pay for the product. Otherwise the price for the first copy would be astronomical. Insisting that each user pay is a way to keep the price down.What piracy has lead us to is software and other digital media being offered as subscription services more directly (e.g. SaaS). So for those of us who actually prefer having an actual copy, that option is slowly going away. So you end up renting it more explicitly than before anyway.I say all this as a proponent of FOSS. I use some of those products and have around 50 GitHub repos all with an MIT license. But the creator should get to decide if he wants to release his product as FOSS or not.
(DIR) Post #AXVrflk9NlnCZpo70a by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2023-07-09T08:59:28.112464Z
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@midway >Claiming something has no value to society isn't up to any one person.It is, as one person has to make the claim.>Society itself decides that as it's subjective.Yes, society contains many things that are known to have no value, but people do those things anyway.>Saying that you can only make money based on time you worked is a silly argument.I don't think you read the article properly.What was claimed is that it's only legitimate to be paid for actual work done (i.e. payment based on time worked), which is something I agree with.>the business model depends on having more than one person pay for the product.It's up a business to decide if their business model is based on one person, or many.>Otherwise the price for the first copy would be astronomical. Insisting that each user pay is a way to keep the price down.Paying a few programmers to work a few months on some software does cost a fair amount, but not an astronomical amount - although the business managing the programmers wants to charge a price so astronomical that <0.1% of profits are equivalent to all the programmers wages.Demanding that each and every user pay is a way to be profitable - but it makes no difference to the actual cost of developing the software.>What piracy has lead us to is software and other digital media being offered as subscription services more directly (e.g. SaaS).Unauthorized copying has nothing at all to do with the increased levels of digital handcuffs and subscription services - many companies have just realized that screwing over the customers is more profitable and they'll all keep doing that for as long as the suckers keep paying.>So for those of us who actually prefer having an actual copy, that option is slowly going away. So you end up renting it more explicitly than before anyway.The option for an actual copy is only going away because people refuse to choose with their wallet and just say no to degeneracy.I do not pay for proprietary software, or for monthly subscription "services", so I'm doing my part, barely anyone else seems to be doing so though.>I say all this as a proponent of FOSSI wish to eliminate all forms of proprietary software, including "FOSS".>50 GitHub repos all with an MIT licenseGithub is proprietary and licensing under expat is a terrible idea - as it's just a handout to proprietary software companies - clearly your time is valuable, so why use it to do gratis work for proprietary software companies?I recommend licensing under the AGPLv3-or-later.>the creator should get to decide if he wants to release his product as FOSS or not.The author of a copyrightable work has the option to choose the license on resulting work.The author should have the choice whether to distribute some software or not, but it's not acceptable for any author to release proprietary malware.
(DIR) Post #AYTYQ61AISSsmznAjg by Silvsilvchan@poa.st
2023-08-07T04:06:31.107503Z
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@midway @gamesbymanuel Love how you get into this long dragged out argument with @Eiregoat but didn't engage this at all.Answer the fucking question faggot.If I pay 25,000 dollars to own a car should I be able to perform modifications or dare I say repairs on it? Is it ethical for a company to make such a thing as excruciatingly difficult as possible? Should it be legal if you breech this contract for the dealer or manufacturer to repossess the vehicle? Should what I do with it be beholden to contractual obligations as though I paid 500 dollars to rent it? If so, if every automotive company enacted such a policy with no alternatives whether through government assistance or trusts and racketeering, then yes. It isn't just ethical to steal the car, it is unethical not too.