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(DIR) Post #AXMnctVmIEzOGhTnWq by socketwench@hackers.town
2023-07-04T22:46:56Z
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"For Mastodon to succeed..."I'm going to stop you right there. When I look around Fediverse, I see people chatting with friends, making new ones, connecting with old ones, people sharing their fun, their fears, their anger, their sadness. I see people asking for help, offering to help, wondering if they need help. I see a microcosm of humanity.I don't need to wait for Fedi to succeed, because, in my view. It. Already. Has.
(DIR) Post #AXMucS5Ixv26sspime by APPTeOORuzvlGOetVY.verita84@poster.place
2023-07-05T01:20:11.308056Z
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@socketwench Yup. We can say nigger here and that’s all we need
(DIR) Post #AXMz8Sbox03DatYodc by clay@quanta.wiki
2023-07-05T02:08:37.416Z
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@socketwench Meta will likely leech onto the Fediverse like a cancerous tumor and cause problems and more political division. The Fediverse is a happy place today largely because Big Tech is not on the scene at all.Meta will create a very enticing feature-rich Walled Garden for people to join but that only Federates with other instance that have chosen to adhere to the Rules and Regulations of said Walled Garden. I'm not optimistic, and I hope I'm wrong.
(DIR) Post #AXMzSUpwNTJuILid4y by sneak@s.sneak.berlin
2023-07-05T02:14:13Z
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@socketwench shut up you know what they meant
(DIR) Post #AXN0sKoqLUMOi15eSm by Andres@mastodon.hardcoredevs.com
2023-07-04T22:57:48Z
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@socketwench 💯 The "big number better" is corporation mentality. We are not here because "the majority of people are here", we are here because the moderators and admins make it a nice place to talk and share.Blowing it up 10x will hurt it, it has to be organic and sustainable.
(DIR) Post #AXN0sLVNnKO6pwzclk by sneak@s.sneak.berlin
2023-07-05T02:30:11Z
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@Andres @socketwench "big number better" is because it's a one-to-many publishing platform. people who think "big number better" isn't true are people who don't talk to large groups of people; i.e. people who don't matter.
(DIR) Post #AXN2UIcP4l9WqGwEZU by Andres@mastodon.hardcoredevs.com
2023-07-05T02:48:13Z
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@sneak @socketwench Well, that is not nice...I think people matter, even if they have no followers.The end goal of a social network is community, not being a platform for influencers and celebrities, maybe you misunderstood the whole "people helping people to communicate". Because admins don't care for celebrities and it becomes more expensive for them having less users with "massive audiences", since they depend on the donations from users to pay the infra.
(DIR) Post #AXN6PBEfUsxeJUePmy by sneak@s.sneak.berlin
2023-07-05T03:32:08Z
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@Andres @socketwench you're simply objectively wrong here. publishing one-to-many is about the size of the amplification, full stop. it's useless otherwise. just because *you* wave it away as "influencers and celebrities" doesn't mean it's not value, and the size of the audience is the *only* metric that matters when determining objective impact or usefulness of publishing. it's publishing, not "a social network". that's retconning.
(DIR) Post #AXNE6k4qX3FoVIm9js by ava@social.sunnypup.io
2023-07-05T04:58:15Z
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@sneak golly I sure hate influencers and blue checkmark weirdos. I really like being on the fediverse because it discourages those people and leaves space for me to have small one on one interactions with a smaller group of people who know me better. I really love social media for this purpose and have long since stopped using other platforms.there are enough people on here like me that the fediverse will always be around so I guess we already won huh.
(DIR) Post #AXNHp1dYuDAPZLoyUi by hajovonta@mastodon.online
2023-07-05T05:39:23Z
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@sneak @Andres @socketwench I'm not sure I want to amplify you.
(DIR) Post #AXNKu6i7ll62cC4Osi by thegibson@hackers.town
2023-07-04T22:48:02Z
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@socketwench hear, fucking hear!
(DIR) Post #AXNKuR4U4KrjlKgXVg by oblomov@sociale.network
2023-07-04T22:58:56Z
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@socketwench «but what about my cancer growth ideal of success?»
(DIR) Post #AXNVJ8ACVIVVtzm0Ho by jherazob@mastodon.ie
2023-07-05T08:11:06Z
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@sneak @Andres @socketwench From the start you're thinking in metrics, the rest of us here are not, we care more about communities. If that means Fedi is a failure by definition in your eyes then sadly yes, it is, and probably always will be, you will find a place with better metrics and KPIs with the megacorps that value that and optimize for this instead.
(DIR) Post #AXNe9ngIBdU3MHPSYC by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T09:48:37Z
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@socketwench > I don't need to wait for Fedi to succeed, because, in my view. It. Already. Has100%.Slow, steady organic growth is what we want. Allowing time for newcomers to adapt to - and add to - the Culture. Eternal, exponential growth is the success condition for an algal bloom or a tumour (like FB).We can't help getting a bump in population whenever there's a mass exodus from a DataFarm (Titter, Tumblr, Titter again, Reddit etc), but that's a thing we adapt to, not depend on.(1/2)
(DIR) Post #AXNeRTrAdHPR5OvcfY by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T09:53:14Z
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A recent blog post: 'Why did the #TwitterMigration fail?'https://blog.bloonface.com/2023/06/12/why-did-the-twittermigration-fail/I reject the premise of the question. The Titter migration was a roaring success for us, as previous ones have been before, and the Reddit one since. We have grown, we have gained new developer interest, we have attracted powerful allies (Automattic) into the network, and powerful adversaries (Meta). We have a wealth of feedback from fresh eyes, that can guide the next iteration of our tech.(2/3)@socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXNegDMyDIKoIPpPUW by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T09:54:05Z
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Most importantly, many people have permanently migrated, or at least set up a camp in the verse they visit regularly. The Aotearoa end of the verse was just a couple of tiny servers before, now there are heaps. Some of them huge relative to our population (about 5 million). Realistically, I don't see how the recent Titter migration could have gone much better.(3/3)@socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXNfJ6SJquBg9BsE3k by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T10:02:46Z
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@noracodes > I don't feel comfortable saying "mission accomplished" when lots of PoC and especially Black people don't feel safe... hereI agree this is important. But what I've seen has mainly been entitled middle class USAmercians - who happen to be Black - trying to open a can with a bottle opener, and blaming "racism" when it doesn't work. When the fedi community actively tries to welcome and help them by handing them a can opener, this too is dismissed as "racism". @socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXNffF2waohbA5Yqcy by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T10:07:15Z
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@noracodes The QT thing is a classic example. Vanilla Mastodon is pretty much the only fediverse platform that *doesn't* have them. But every attempt I've seen to point people who want QTs towards software that has them, has been shouted down as "techbros" "whitesplaining". We care, and we want to help, but after a certain amount of being shouted at for trying, it is any surprise most of us just shrug and walk away?Here's an early attempt at diplomacy:https://strypey.dreamwidth.org/3689.html@socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXNg7Bqo4HiBMID7oG by raineer@frontrange.co
2023-07-04T22:54:29Z
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@socketwench the media and dozens of thinkpieces don’t understand how to evaluate something with a purpose other than profit. It’s fairly alarming to see it in real-time. “Well to scale it’s going to need corporate sponsorship”Maybe? Maybe not. I was happy with how it was in 2018. I’m happy how it is now. I will be *more* happy if we get even more scientists, educators, librarians, journalists, writers, etc.It’s still growing every day.
(DIR) Post #AXNg7CY3TUJ3WQRfDk by latelesley@mastodon.scot
2023-07-05T01:05:00Z
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@raineer @socketwench It doesn't need corporate investment to scale. It just needs more interested peeps to open new servers. And that's the beauty of it. There can be more servers, without huge amounts of investment. Corporates only want to invest so they can try to control it. We should refuse that at every turn.
(DIR) Post #AXNg7DHQkmbPn9ftwm by toolbear@union.place
2023-07-05T01:32:25Z
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@latelesley @raineer @socketwench Yes.Aspects of the underlying technology — both at the protocol level and how it's been implemented & deployed — presuppose scale and disadvantage smaller instances:- outright infrastructure cost- greater moderation burden on those who prioritize safety over growth which also tend to be smaller instances who e.g. bear the brunt of big instances' lackluster moderation- by, e.g., considering the problem of DDOS as solved by paying Cloudflare, Fastly, etc.
(DIR) Post #AXNg7E8FaOqyQyO5HE by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T10:12:15Z
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@toolbear > the underlying technology — both at the protocol level and how it's been implemented & deployed — presuppose scale and disadvantage smaller instancesThis is only true of vanilla Mastodon. Mainly because mastodon.social is its target platform.> smaller instances who e.g. bear the brunt of big instances' lackluster moderationFair point. A lot of thought is going into how to share and automate aspects of moderation work between servers.@latelesley @raineer @socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXNgDY7mATOSB1BExc by Sternness3985@mastodon.social
2023-07-05T10:13:13Z
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@sneak I don't think you understand what retconning means.
(DIR) Post #AXNgs2gHyiOmWudFEO by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T10:20:46Z
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@sneak> publishing one-to-many is about the size of the amplificationYour assumption is that this is what the verse is for. It accommodates that use, for sure (eg PeerTube). Many of us came here looking for that.But what we stay for is friendly little chats with the people who pop up regularly in our feeds and mentions, saying insightful, or funny, or heartfelt things. The cool software or art projects we learn about. FediVision song contests.In a word, community.@Andres @socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXNh6sbTjFCNcPSOSe by CatHat@mstdn.party
2023-07-05T00:24:43Z
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@socketwench not if it isn't safe for marginalized people Current overall rules are much worse than tue pre-mask Twitter.
(DIR) Post #AXNh6tJ5784pndrDQO by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T10:23:26Z
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@CatHat > Current overall rules are much worse than tue pre-mask TwitterCare to expand on this?@socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXNhZptyqtYXdav10a by score@mstdn.plus
2023-07-05T01:38:00Z
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@socketwench Sure would be nice if there were some content other than americans whinging about politics, though.
(DIR) Post #AXNhZqe45YQ3wWToq8 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T10:28:40Z
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@score > Sure would be nice if there were some content other than americans whinging about politics, thoughThere's heaps. Just do a hashtag search on one of the larger servers for any topic you care to name.Maybe the question you need to ask yourself is, why do all the people I follow happen to be "americans whinging about politics"?@socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXNhnPjovRjMXudn4S by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T10:31:08Z
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@sneak > shut up you know what they meantYou may have learned English as a second language, so as a native speaker, I'm going to let you know that "shut up" is a very aggressive phrase, and a very disrespectful way to talk to people. Speak only for myself, but this kind of bullying language is not welcome here.@socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXNiBImsQ59xwGSdwu by CatHat@mstdn.party
2023-07-05T10:35:26Z
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@strypey @socketwench Disability, amd disease are mentioned in twitters rules .Ableism Mostly, Sanism.but also "health supremacy" orAre actively edorced by BONot sure fatphobia and other body shaming is as common but probably.
(DIR) Post #AXNiOjFLMAI3lUB7pY by pixelpusher220@universeodon.com
2023-07-05T02:47:20Z
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@socketwench TL/DR; tip your instance #MastodonAdminone factor to consider, massive changes and scale have occurred in under a year.Instances that were small but stable may or may not be able to sustain the new scale long term. For better or worse, the world runs on money and Fediverse is no exception. Out of the goodness of admin hearts isn't a long term strategy. Lots of opportunities for disparate instance plans/funding/etc but we're still in the infancy of Fedi at scale.
(DIR) Post #AXNiOk5oD6G2OCj1bk by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T10:37:45Z
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@pixelpusher220 > Instances that were small but stable may or may not be able to sustain the new scale long term... if they continue to run the extinct elephant. There are many other software options for running fediverse servers, many of them written with production-quality programming languages (Elixir, GoLang, Rust), not prototyping tools like Ruby-on-Rails (as Mastodon is). For some examples, see:https://fediverse.party/en/miscellaneous/(1/2)@socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXNihGiTefJImZe7GK by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T10:41:14Z
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@pixelpusher220 With all due respect to Gargron and the fantastic UX he pioneered in the verse with Mastodon, his approach to software engineering is summed up pretty well here:"Do they build square airplanes so they don’t have to learn about aerodynamics, then just throw on an extra ten engines to make up for it? NO!"https://drewdevault.com/2016/11/24/Electron-considered-harmful.htmlInstead of refactoring Mastodon in a language that actually scales, he just keeps bolting on more Sideqik instances etc.@socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXNj76oZ5m3nbMobAG by risottobias@tech.lgbt
2023-07-05T03:42:59Z
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@socketwench okay..."for Mastodon to succeed at [insert moderation, community building, help finding, conflict resolution, cost effectiveness, maintainability, privacy legislation]", it's going to need people to not NIMBY away improvements to the system purely because they like old UIs and despise non-technical userslike you said, mastodon has a ways to go.it could be easier to use, and deserves UX love.
(DIR) Post #AXNj77wOu7vF5xUN16 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T10:45:53Z
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@risottobias > mastodon has a ways to go... it could be easier to use, and deserves UX loveHave you tried any of the software options beyond Mastodon? This isn't even up-to-date list and it lists dozens:https://fediverse.party/en/miscellaneous/@socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXNjWZjAjOxcVtR5Tk by coopofeverything@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T03:55:44Z
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@socketwench Reminds me of George Bush's pre-emptive "Mission Accomplished" Facebook, Twitter, Utube, Insta etc were Social Media generation 1.Fediverse & mastadon community servers were Social Media generation 2.Individual Instances for ALL, is Social Media generation 3. Then the Individual owns their own Social Media company. This is the real power we're heading towards.No ability to censor between Instances.We keep creating until a backend Instance can be installed on a Phone.
(DIR) Post #AXNjWacTPnCFHPJFg0 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T10:50:28Z
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@coopofeverything > Individual Instances for ALL, is Social Media generation 3... Then the Individual owns their own Social Media company. This is the real power we're heading towardsI get why this seems like an ideal. But some of us have years of experience testing decentralised software and have chosen federated models (email, XMPP, fediverse, matrix etc) for a reason. Go try Scuttlebutt, Nostr, Briar, Jami, Tox, Aether etc and see if you change your mind.@socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXNnawx0jIChVvFZtg by socketwench@hackers.town
2023-07-04T22:51:15Z
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@noracodes We still have so much work to do.
(DIR) Post #AXNnnrblu89ei0TQUy by johnb48@mastodon.online
2023-07-05T04:58:23Z
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@noracodes @socketwench I don't see any white supremacists here. I've seen this claim several times and I don't understand.
(DIR) Post #AXNnnsIfKeSwr2XgMC by gorfram@libretooth.gr
2023-07-05T06:39:37Z
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@johnb48 @noracodes @socketwench Have you missed all the times when Black people & other POC complained that they were being harassed, only to have the harassers complain that any curtailment of their freedom to harass was itself harassment, & the mods agreed & blocked the POC for having the temerity to complain?It’s okay (with me, anyway) if you don’t want to pay attention; but it’s not okay to argue that you haven’t seen anything when you’ve been wandering around with your eyes shut.
(DIR) Post #AXNnntGZjuO7qqZWjo by violetmadder@kolektiva.social
2023-07-05T08:14:08Z
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@gorfram @johnb48 @noracodes @socketwench Yeah. He missed it and then some.When someone mentions struggles experienced by marginalized groups, the appropriate response is to NOT say, "I don't see it so it doesn't exist, and suggesting otherwise is a personal affront"
(DIR) Post #AXNnrJNf6U1ViDWBDU by DemocritusDiscoBall@mastodon.social
2023-07-05T05:22:07Z
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@noracodes @socketwench I’ve been interacting with one native guy https://mastodon.social/@Yehuda@woodpecker.social who is setting up and indigenous server, woodpecker and been trying to spread the word on that. But more through IRL, as I’m the token white in my spouses family. If people could not be assholes, I would say more white people should spend more time on a Rez and see what it’s like not to be in the majority. Also maybe they’d realize things like there is still lack of power and potable water many places.
(DIR) Post #AXNnsZhBvjzWbNFsUC by gorfram@libretooth.gr
2023-07-05T06:09:49Z
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@noracodes @socketwench @cendawanita White people of the Fediverse:We need to do better. You and me both.
(DIR) Post #AXNo5vNIdg3xbSJgR6 by heroyinkyouma@masto.ai
2023-07-05T08:04:27Z
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@socketwench what is Fedi?
(DIR) Post #AXNo5wJ5AqHeUfLpVA by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T11:41:40Z
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@heroyinkyouma > what is Fedi?An abbreviation for "fediverse". An affectionate nickname for the social network made up of all the servers running Mastodon, and other software compatible with the ActivityPub protocol. This video is a good intro:https://peertube.fr/w/9dRFC6Ya11NCVeYKn8ZhiD@socketwench #FediTips #AskFedi #videos
(DIR) Post #AXNpSI7YqkdsTSBTeK by arinbasu1@social.arinbasu.online
2023-07-05T10:04:34.395682Z
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Good points @strypey Also, several of us have set up our own servers where we read the posts, and these are probably not counted (my server gets counted in the Pleroma servers list). One of the lessons of the #Twittercalpyse is to set up your own presence in the #Verse, rather than rely on others allowing to play on their own playgrounds.
(DIR) Post #AXNpSIznb61lBfYnBo by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T11:56:56Z
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@arinbasu1 > several of us have set up our own servers where we read the posts, and these are probably not countedGreat point, and to move there, you've abandoned your initial account(s) on larger servers. Which are now counted as part of this perceived "failure" to integrate newcomers.> One of the lessons of the Twittercalpyse is to set up your own presence in the Verse100% agree.(Oh and nice to see someone else picking up my nickname for the fediverse :)@socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXNprs7k83A3NIT17o by sieben_grafik@norden.social
2023-07-05T10:11:09Z
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@socketwench so true, but what I would mean by that argument is that I want the Fediverse or something like the #Fediverse to become the standard and not the walled gardens. And also not just for tech and privacy minded people, but accessible for all. But all in all for sure every human interaction is worth it and thx to all the devs, mods, people running instances making it possible
(DIR) Post #AXNprsoHZtBlVEMzQm by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T12:01:33Z
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@sieben_grafik> want the Fediverse or something like the Fediverse to become the standard and not the walled gardens. And also not just for tech and privacy minded people, but accessible for all100%. But it's a question of how we get there. If we replicate the corporate-funded, growth-hacking models that resulted in the DataFarms (FB, Titter etc), guess what we'll end up devolving the verse into?@socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXNq3j2VjKhSfufiVs by openroomxyz@glasgow.social
2023-07-05T10:25:20Z
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@socketwench yea but than why are not more users switching to it ?
(DIR) Post #AXNq3jneu2Pj28jN0C by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T12:03:42Z
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@openroomxyz > why are not more users switching to it ?Wrong question. The more important question is, what makes people stay here after trying it out? Whatever the answers are to that question, we want more of it. 'Where attention goes, energy flows'.@socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXNqDqd2MvTD6laEzo by yavuz@geveze.social
2023-07-05T10:43:40Z
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@socketwench I am glad that we have Mastodon and the fediverse, but to actually succeed, Mastodon needs to be much more user-friendly.Decentralization matters, a lot, but it also brings weaknesses. Functionality that is considered basic doesn't work (as good) in Mastodon. It works great when you're on the same large instance, but the experience deteriorates quickly when on a small instance or on different instances. Heck, to be able to reply to you, I had to copy the URL of your post...
(DIR) Post #AXNqE5WUzW9XIpdjO4 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T12:05:29Z
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@yavuz > I had to copy the URL of your post...Did you have to peel your own grapes too! 😱 😆 @socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXNqMaeB9oQk9GHo1Y by yavuz@geveze.social
2023-07-05T12:07:06Z
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@strypey @socketwench Yeah, haha, missing functionality, haha you funny.
(DIR) Post #AXNqcLE4GD3mxCaFSy by openroomxyz@glasgow.social
2023-07-05T12:09:56Z
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@strypey @socketwench They are no right or wrong question they are just more questions, if the question has an inherent goal behind it than it may satisfy to that goal with some success of does not. The thing is that what is cool is that is not dictatorship like Twiter is but is this enough ?One way to make things better is to challenge them
(DIR) Post #AXNsNKgOCJbcpknmDY by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T12:29:41Z
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@CatHat > Disability, amd disease are mentioned in twitters rulesRight, and how effectively were those enforced?Each server in the verse has its set of rules (or not), and they may not contain everything that matters to you (yet). But I bet that in the vast majority of cases, they're enforced in a much more responsive, consistent, and timely manner.@socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXNskgKTskSQd7gj6O by Jain@blob.cat
2023-07-05T12:33:58.043252Z
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@socketwench :blobcatmeltthumb:
(DIR) Post #AXNtfIAEOtq6Blt6R6 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T12:44:01Z
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@yavuz> haha you funny*shrug* Everyone's a critic.I take your point that there is plenty of important functionality missing from Mastodon. But saving people from the odd cut'n'paste would be a *long* way down a list starting with E2EE of DMs; post portability; one account working on Mastodon, PeerTube, PixelFed et al; etc etc etc. Also, some of that missing functionality can be found in other fediverse software:https://fediverse.party/en/miscellaneous/@socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXNthax3WJGh2Jp6Fk by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T12:44:25Z
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@yavuzMany people seem to be unaware Mastodon isn't their only choice. Even some of the third-party apps that work with Mastodon servers add functionality the "official" apps are missing.@socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXNtqiPHAgYSlSN7BI by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T12:46:12Z
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@openroomxyz > They are no right or wrong questionFair point. I might have said, "a more useful question is...". A question is more useful when its answers show you where you *want* to go, not where you *don't* want to go.@socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXNu8zdzp0XRRCyMvQ by pixelpusher220@universeodon.com
2023-07-05T12:49:25Z
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@strypey @socketwench hah, wasn't even talking about the 'technical' side of scaling ;-) running/managing an instance for a few hundred ppl is one thing, for 50,000+ is an entirely different beast just on the mgmt business side.
(DIR) Post #AXNubtV5k6BsmWaYq0 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T12:54:43Z
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@pixelpusher220 > running/managing an instance for a few hundred ppl is one thing, for 50,000+ is an entirely different beast just on the mgmt business sideAll true. But that only become an issue for open-registration servers that choose to allow themselves to grow like tumours (*cough* mastodon.social *cough*). Sensible admins will know their limits (financially and organisationally) and keep their growth slow enough to stay under those limits.@socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXNwAJPS1HhYw9vT04 by CatHat@mstdn.party
2023-07-05T13:12:06Z
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@strypey @socketwench last year on Twitter it generally worked more often than not to report obvious bigotry.
(DIR) Post #AXNwJz9ECtEazawz0y by CatHat@mstdn.party
2023-07-05T13:13:50Z
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@strypey @socketwench it matters that obvious hate isn't a problem.
(DIR) Post #AXO1tymFYtG02TBXU0 by sieben_grafik@norden.social
2023-07-05T14:16:22Z
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@strypey @socketwench agreed, slow and steady wins the fedi
(DIR) Post #AXOBsMemo2FB3wYwm8 by neito@cathode.church
2023-07-05T12:33:50Z
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@socketwench "For Mastodon to Succeed" == "For Mastodon to become comfortable to Silicon Valley Capitalists" many times.
(DIR) Post #AXOMXtDde1vJT0IuGm by toolbear@union.place
2023-07-05T18:04:59Z
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@strypey @latelesley @raineer @socketwench > > … presuppose scale and disadvantage smaller instances> This is only true of vanilla Mastodon.I'm basing this claim on a few things I've seen said:- smaller instance admins are effectively unpaid SREs for the burden large instances put on the overall network- the chattiness of the protocol puts undue load on smaller instances
(DIR) Post #AXOMXuZIcyqPeTRifg by toolbear@union.place
2023-07-05T18:05:28Z
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@strypey @latelesley @raineer @socketwench Plus my own observations of the uncritical cargo-cult'ing of tools and systems that well are suited to Big Tech but not well suited for Fedi community building or sustainability.
(DIR) Post #AXOmDvBjD9m0agY87U by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T22:55:28Z
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@CatHat> last year on Twitter it generally worked more often than not to report obvious bigotryOK, so they were good at playing whack-a-mole and paid a bunch of people to do it. But that's the mechanism, what about the *experience*? Was pre-Melon-Husk Titter a more pleasant place to hang out than the fediverse is now? Not in my experience.@socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXOpxonlaVlJxzv0wC by valashawkwinter@nerdica.net
2023-07-05T16:22:27Z
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@strypey @socketwench @yavuz Hello from Friendica!There's still some functionality that would be nice to add here, and I still need to find a better replacement for (private) Facebook Groups and the (shared only with subsets of your contacts) Facebook wall - But I do think Fediverse is still good, even if there's room for improvement and it doesn't fill all my communication needs.👍I'm still looking for better options for those other needs though, and getting increasingly frustrated with Facebook over time.
(DIR) Post #AXOpxps3c2mxHavxGS by me@social.jlamothe.net
2023-07-05T17:53:32Z
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@valashawkwinter Unless ActivityPub itself is updated to support E2EE somehow, this cannot be done in a way that guarantees only the intended party can read DMs, though with the existing infrastructure, Friendica does the best job of this of any software I'm aware of.
(DIR) Post #AXOpxqdCmkVDdozbkm by valashawkwinter@nerdica.net
2023-07-05T18:51:09Z
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@meYeah - this I knew.I'm not even looking for DMs though - for those I'm looking at figuring out Element / Matrix - or at least switching to Signal. - DMs I'll soon have covered.But that's discord / chatroom-like, with PMs, not "threads where you can tag a group of your contacts who can see it" or "threads where only group members can see them"It would need to be an extension to Activitypub, or a new more secure protocol fit for purpose which Friendica or similar choose to include support for.I get that. It is what it is. Activitypub is a public statements protocol, not a private forums protocol.
(DIR) Post #AXOpxrJkEaWvlkta3k by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T23:37:17Z
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@valashawkwinter> I'm not even looking for DMs though - for those I'm looking at figuring out Element / Matrix - or at least switching to SignalFor personal IM, check out Snikket (XMPP) and Delta.chat. The latter only requires an email account, not a special chat account, and I've had much more luck getting normies to use it. Matrix is great for chat rooms, but sadly DMs are still a 2nd class citizen in their network.I don't trust Signal:https://web.archive.org/web/20201023212401/https://www.coactivate.org/projects/disintermedia/signal-fault@me
(DIR) Post #AXOrqqJVlewuXNZJAG by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-05T23:58:30Z
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@toolbear> uncritical cargo-cult'ing of tools and systems that well are suited to Big Tech but not well suited for Fedi community building or sustainabilityAgain, this is somewhat true of Mastodon (Ruby-on-Rails in 2023, #FacePalm), but not of fediverse software in general. As @bob pointed out elsewhere in the thread, the "chattiness" of the protocol is not a problem for properly-engineered fedi server software like Epicyon.@latelesley @raineer @socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXP2raVr6EZJJitsHY by toolbear@union.place
2023-07-06T02:01:51Z
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@strypey I see what you're saying now. Thanks for making it clearer for me the distinction you were making.What you're saying about the protocol was what I hoped would be true. I'll walk back my statement about the protocol since I'm out of my depth and cannot back up that claim.Agreed about Rails. I also dislike the cargo-cult'ing of SPAs and other parts of the tech stack. Simultaneously over- and under- engineered as I see it.
(DIR) Post #AXPF98KNpQJSZ6fPcm by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-06T04:19:33Z
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@toolbear> I'll walk back my statement about the protocol since I'm out of my depthNo more do than me, which is why I defer to experts like Bob : )Also Drew Devault, creator of SourceHut, who I quoted elsewhere in the thread saying what I thought was a fitting description of John Mastodon's approach to back-end software engineering.> I also dislike the cargo-cult'ing of SPAsSPAs?
(DIR) Post #AXPGKMm0YnzyVUVZzc by toolbear@union.place
2023-07-06T04:32:32Z
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@strypey Single Page Application. React et al..
(DIR) Post #AXPI0xqrC89PcTeWOW by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-06T04:51:38Z
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@toolbear> Single Page Application. React et al..Urgh, totally agree. Most of this stuff is prototype modelling tools, pushed into production by people with minimal knowledge but great salesmanship skills. As Drew says, bolting more engines on square planes to make them fly.
(DIR) Post #AXPTPvwkVt4URlW8zA by coopofeverything@mstdn.social
2023-07-06T06:59:20Z
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@strypey @socketwench I've been looking around for a few years too. Trying this and that. Dreaming of what is needed.The covid scam certainly clarified the direction we're all heading.Hadn't seen Scuttlebutt ... their intro video is atrocious but along with the others I will come back to you. Cheers.
(DIR) Post #AXPq3cv6s1rw0p5CaG by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-06T11:13:08Z
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@coopofeverything Some of the projects I mentioned seem semi or completely abandoned. I think there's a reason for that too. ScuttleButt, for example, seems to be at a crossroads, where either the protocol will get completely rewritten, or everyone will move to Nostr. But I'm curious to know what you learn by looking into them.@socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXQQPGt6fLSXh66bxI by heroyinkyouma@masto.ai
2023-07-06T17:57:20Z
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@strypey @socketwench thanks!
(DIR) Post #AXQylVZEALDC29aA4m by coopofeverything@mstdn.social
2023-07-07T00:25:20Z
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@strypey @socketwench I'm gonna try and stay focussed and signup with them to experience. This self hosting SM and e2ee chat apps (matrix) is exploding with so many options to explore. Never have we had so many options in front of us.
(DIR) Post #AXX467IjFNWtZfGrVw by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-09T22:53:25Z
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@score Just remembered, Trunk provides lists of people to follow, sorted by topic and geography:https://communitywiki.org/trunkEveryone on those lists has consented to having their handle listed there, and are happy to have them widely followed. #HatTip to the #Trunk admins who maintain this;@alex@Mayana@carbontwelve@austinThere are similar lists of people who post mainly in Spanish and Dutch.@socketwench
(DIR) Post #AXXBAylD7yQMDGrIxs by valashawkwinter@nerdica.net
2023-07-06T12:22:12Z
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@strypey @socketwench @arinbasu1>set up our own serversI think I want to look into this too. Have all my own data on my own server. Sounds kindof nice.
(DIR) Post #AXXBB1tpSO6HwrujJY by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-10T00:12:42Z
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@valashawkwinter> Have all my own data on my own server. Sounds kind of niceTBH I'd look beyond Mastodon for this. From what I've read, it's ridiculously over-engineered for a single-tenant server. GoToSocial is often recommended for this. Mastodon's creaking Ruby-on-Rails stack, with bolted on engines (Sideqik etc) is also reputed to be far less resource efficient, under the same load, than the likes of Epicyon, Takahē, or Akkoma.@socketwench @arinbasu1 #fediverse #CommunityHostinhmg
(DIR) Post #AXXDT5hIH7dIqdn5dI by valashawkwinter@nerdica.net
2023-07-06T13:08:13Z
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@strypey @meGood to know. I will check out Snikket and Delta.chatDo you have any recommendations for a better replacement for the "Facebook Wall" (sharing photos and videos and life updates with specific subsets of people you know) or "Private Facebook Groups" of usermade forums with posts only visible to members?
(DIR) Post #AXXDT6VHHHcDLfB0Xg by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-10T00:38:24Z
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@valashawkwinter> Do you have any recommendations for a better replacement for the "Facebook Wall"... or "Private Facebook Groups"@bonfire is one promising project to check out, I believe they plan to start beta testing soon. Among existing fedi platforms, Friendica and Hubzilla both have private groups. Maybe also KBin? PixelFed for Wall maybe? I need to do more testing myself, and there are a *huge* number of AP-compatible apps to test now.@me
(DIR) Post #AXXDUhoW2opPLzwGm0 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-10T00:38:34Z
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@valashawkwinterReplacing FB is the Holy Grail of fediverse success. I'm sure I wrote a long post about what that would require, but sadly I can't find it at present.@bonfire @me
(DIR) Post #AXXEfakWkXkSaFpOS0 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-10T00:51:35Z
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@coopofeverything> Never have we had so many options in front of usSo true. We are spoiled for choice in the AP fediverse alone.@socketwench
(DIR) Post #AYQJ68iEUFlyZI5C76 by poppyart@berserker.town
2023-07-05T00:27:41Z
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@mainframed767 @socketwench I'm biased, since I'm a casual artist here, but Mastodon and the Fediverse are still great places to post creative works in. The user interface (at least for Mastodon) makes it so easy to find specific or old images, and there are still quite a few famous people that are here, since they don't seem to be just interested in it for influencer networking. Honestly, I feel that most influencers are too focused on growing their brand instead of cultivating a community. I feel like they should be more into engaging with others about topics they're interested in, rather than trying to rope in people that will grant them higher numbers and money.
(DIR) Post #Aa0HXvARFWa5z6a3w8 by sneak@s.sneak.berlin
2023-09-21T20:54:52Z
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@strypey @socketwench there's a mute button for when you don't like what rude people on the internet are saying about your stupid posts
(DIR) Post #Aa0QBw34By9RvxivqK by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-09-21T22:31:49Z
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@sneakWow, it only took you to 2 months to think up with that comeback *slow clap*. Ever thought about a career in standup comedy? With a bit of practice, you could be dealing with a heckler in only a few weeks 😁@socketwench