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(DIR) Post #AXM48Pitz8nFFyi4wa by john@sauropods.win
2023-07-04T15:31:30Z
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On the Meta / #Threads issue: although I am more on the side of federating, it's not like a I can't see the danger of having a single monstrous entity possibly outnumbering the rest of the #Fediverse combined. I have no problem server admins choosing not to federate with Threads, I totally get it.I'm much less keen on the push to make all servers defederate from Threads under the threat of defederation themselves. I think this will just end up in the disintegration of the Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #AXM4JxqnROXiHnuUee by artcollisions@vis.social
2023-07-04T15:33:47Z
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@john I think you have a point here, but also, don't see how federating with a massive entity will be beneficial to the fediverse. It's like trying to resist the Borg. We all stand together or fall together?
(DIR) Post #AXM4kMXwFF8QPMg328 by john@sauropods.win
2023-07-04T15:37:27Z
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@artcollisions As I said before, I think we stand to poach more from Threads than we lose. That's a win in my book.
(DIR) Post #AXM4o2sjIdEuZs9s5w by mike@sauropods.win
2023-07-04T15:38:10Z
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@john Yeah, that's a stupid thing to try to enforce. Literally the whole point of the multi-server architecture of Mastodon is that you can make your OWN choices about who your server does and doesn't federate with. Any server admin who tries to take that choice away from you under threat of defederation — that server's not worth staying federated with. Screw 'em.
(DIR) Post #AXM5XS5UQp4PmcmJIu by john@sauropods.win
2023-07-04T15:43:13Z
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@mike Yeah, it's throwing away one of the core strengths of the Fediverse. You get to choose the level of restriction you want to deal with. Down to almost-a-private-forum level; which is great!
(DIR) Post #AXM5j5uoh1X4UbKyuG by anthracite@dragon.style
2023-07-04T15:49:23Z
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@john I'm undecided on "defed from everyone who feds with Facebook". If you come from a place of simply not wanting FB to have ANY of your data then I think it's a valid choice.The fediverse already has deep ideological chasms in it. I dunno if "feds with for-profit ad/surveillance corporations" is going to be one chasm too many; we're doing alright without them right now IMHO.
(DIR) Post #AXM5sd0F2m29iZQ9ui by dannyman@sfba.social
2023-07-04T15:44:13Z
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@artcollisions @john I think some people fretted when AOL joined the Internet, but the Internet survived.Social networks are for people and they benefit from scale.
(DIR) Post #AXM5sdubfD7WXNnAlk by artcollisions@vis.social
2023-07-04T15:44:55Z
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@dannyman @john Is there a Goldilocks size that is just right though? Not too big, not too small?
(DIR) Post #AXM5seSzbMcsG1sdMm by john@sauropods.win
2023-07-04T15:51:23Z
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@artcollisions @dannyman The Fediverse isn't really one network in the way Twitter or Instagram are because of federation bottlenecks. Gab is not available to most of the mainstream Mastodon servers for example (but you could probably find a server that can see both).You're only in the network of your own federation.
(DIR) Post #AXM6PN3zKNDlq2moaW by dannyman@sfba.social
2023-07-04T15:56:49Z
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@john @artcollisions Yes yes some people prefer walls around their communities.
(DIR) Post #AXM6s5Sfqkc1e41fBw by dannyman@sfba.social
2023-07-04T15:47:49Z
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@artcollisions @john How many people you follow is an individual choice. It is nice if you can find them all in one place and even better if that place isn't controlled by a corporate monopoly.
(DIR) Post #AXM6s6e3RvJHJeMGZM by artcollisions@vis.social
2023-07-04T15:58:00Z
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@dannyman @john I've been on the internet since 1994. I have never had all my people in one place. I think that's a pipe dream.
(DIR) Post #AXM6s7jPPVBegXs3YO by dannyman@sfba.social
2023-07-04T16:00:00Z
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@artcollisions @john I remember when everyone used email and it wasn't hard to find their address. Facebook helped kill that.
(DIR) Post #AXM6s8TUeA3AzTQrNw by john@sauropods.win
2023-07-04T16:01:11Z
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@dannyman @artcollisions Didn't spam kill that?
(DIR) Post #AXMMy2C0Vy8OVl5Vq4 by trevorflowers@widerweb.org
2023-07-04T19:02:38Z
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@john Ignoring the merit of transitive blocking of mega-instances for a minute, I think it's important to acknowledge that the fediverse is by design disintegrated and that's a very good thing. There are already islands if instances that barely connect with the wider fediverse and peninsulas where admins are quick to block instances. The fediverse was never meant to be a fully connected graph because centralized SM has repeatedly proven that we don't all get along.