Post AXLRQc197MA2O2vjQe by Polychrome@poly.cybre.city
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(DIR) Post #AXJCTrWO2mMdiAiMsK by mattcen@aus.social
2023-07-03T03:54:47Z
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stop using discord for your open-source communities
(DIR) Post #AXJCTtbQJ1a6AN5Q0G by mattcen@aus.social
2023-07-03T05:09:12Z
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I get that when you're working on stuff and not getting paid for it, it can make sense to seek the platforms with the lowest friction and barriers to entry, but between IRC, #Matrix (and by extension, Gitter), and #XMPP, there are plenty of options that don't include vendor lock-in.
(DIR) Post #AXJIinNgJrq4wH99xA by pbone@fosstodon.org
2023-07-03T05:24:24Z
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@mattcen I really think that Discord is one of the easiest platforms to use and choose it for my open source stuff.I'm not worried about vendor lock-in because chat is ephemeral. I don't store documentation & code there it's just a way for people to get in touch. If it's a problem I can move elsewhere.I also use IRC because I like IRC, but I understand that people find IRC difficult.
(DIR) Post #AXJIio8TVtGlHP2WtE by bilboed@bilboed.tech
2023-07-03T06:38:02.585055Z
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@pbone @mattcen the number of times searching for something in mattermost has saved me has made me change my point of view on that.Having searchable history of "chat systems" is a must-have. And it needs to be open for FOSS projects, else you're losing a massive trove of information and knowledge.
(DIR) Post #AXJIiqrZNCWrjq9ZSK by Polychrome@poly.cybre.city
2023-07-03T07:31:19.379596Z
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@bilboed @mattcen @pbone IRC had public and searchable chatlog bot services for decades.
(DIR) Post #AXKHVHeb3zjZyi0nVw by downey@floss.social
2023-07-03T05:39:33Z
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@pbone https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html@mattcen
(DIR) Post #AXKHVO0RRglzgCHKOe by mattcen@aus.social
2023-07-03T17:29:32Z
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@downey I agree with this article in principle, but, like my initial post above (because it's necessarily short and punchy), lacks necessary nuance around the premium of volunteer time. Some folks just want to write code for themselves and then find themselves with other users with whom they need to communicate. I get that it's tempting to pick an easy-to-use, well-known platform with (relatively) good UX, and I don't want to say "always go the whole nine yards and put in the effort to use a truly free platform", because sometimes the barrier to entry is too high, but I strongly encourage people to *try* or at least *consider* the pitfalls of the platforms they choose.@pbone
(DIR) Post #AXKHVRENSKhdgHp02C by downey@floss.social
2023-07-03T18:13:30Z
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@mattcen > easy-to-use, well-known platform with (relatively) good UXSo, #Matrix then? @pbone
(DIR) Post #AXLRQZ9tkMNZWK0B9c by elmo@chaos.social
2023-07-04T06:52:09Z
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@Polychrome @mattcen @bilboed @pbone With complicated to use bouncer bots that 99.99% of all average users won't be able to use because they simply require too much technical knowledge to be set up and used properly. IRC is not a viable alternative for the average computer user nowadays.
(DIR) Post #AXLRQc197MA2O2vjQe by Polychrome@poly.cybre.city
2023-07-04T08:18:15.773821Z
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@elmo @mattcen @bilboed @pbone chat log bots are a separate system from the bouncers you are referring to. They log channel chat to a public website instead of directly into the client. These are not set up by users.Bouncers are different in that they maintain an online presence for you in the channel while you are offline and keep a limited amount of chat history to replay when you return. A bouncer is only complicated to set up if you expect the user to so themselves. The setup can be automated with a very small shell script.Finally, IRC clients are also no longer complicated to set up and use. Some very friendly web based IRC clients exist exactly for this use case.
(DIR) Post #AXLUEHgvAE8jjYHcsS by elmo@chaos.social
2023-07-04T08:21:48Z
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@Polychrome @mattcen @bilboed @pbone It's still a way higher entry barrier for non-tech affine users.The services being spread out over different webapps is already too much for most people.They need everything in one simple to use *app* that works exactly the same on desktop, mobile (and web) with one single account.Matrix is already a lot better in that but there's still some things missing to really make it a fully viable alternative to Discord.But IRC just isn't one at all nowadays.
(DIR) Post #AXLUEIdPekvaexeL32 by bilboed@bilboed.tech
2023-07-04T08:44:34.917634Z
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@elmo @Polychrome @mattcen @pbone matrix is the best solution right now. There's *some* burden (on the project side) to setup the space/server but it offers a lot more than IRC indeed.Heck it even offers more than slack and discord. No more having a trillion different accounts 😁The more projects switch to matrix, the better.Yes... I'm in the process of setting it up for a project. More on this soon
(DIR) Post #AXLUEL7cPQHINDnUPI by Polychrome@poly.cybre.city
2023-07-04T08:49:40.855723Z
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@bilboed @mattcen @elmo @pbone mentioning Matrix as the solution while ignoring their most recent action is where I step off from this discussion :blobcatneutral:
(DIR) Post #AXMC4rJ2I3gPHJQXWy by loke@functional.cafe
2023-07-03T04:07:02Z
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@mattcen New game challenge: Stop using Discord for documentation. Level: Impossible.
(DIR) Post #AXMC4sSzyVFKsV60hM by lucifargundam@qoto.org
2023-07-04T17:01:03Z
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@loke @mattcen Using GitHub for documentation- is better than discord. Using discord is not just lazy, it's negligent.
(DIR) Post #AXMsn7638fJB4I8aqu by thisven@digitalcourage.social
2023-07-03T06:49:49Z
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This is a nice essay, @downey. And I think it explains why @mattcen calls to #AvoidDiscord for #OpenSource and #FreeSoftware communities.@pbone:Have you tried @matrix? It's a #monolithic #protocol and it may take some time to get familiar with it.With @xmpp there's an #alternative and #modular approach to provide #messaging services.
(DIR) Post #AXMsn879M3maDzezCq by elmo@chaos.social
2023-07-04T06:48:30Z
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@thisven @downey @mattcen @pbone @matrix @xmpp Matrix and XMPP are simply not viable alternatives to Discord.They offer merely a fraction of the features that Discord brings with it.Discord isn't just a chat.It's a full social platform with Forums, Chat-channels (with sub-threads), voice and video calls, very granular role based user management, a fully searchable history etc. It even offers stuff like "hosted events" and automated notification channels now which are useful for businesses.
(DIR) Post #AXMsn8t0U840cQ3Cng by downey@floss.social
2023-07-04T07:06:40Z
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@elmo Matrix does all those things just fine but nice try.
(DIR) Post #AXMsn9YpybWYi9cc08 by mattcen@aus.social
2023-07-04T21:11:44Z
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@downey It doesn't do *all* of those things, but it does many of them. I agree that perhaps Discord tries to do too many things. Many folks don't need an event system in their open source support platform, and if they do, maybe it's better to use separate platforms for each of those disparate requirements.https://aus.social/@mattcen/110657785643054886
(DIR) Post #AXMsnAG5No7QsHr9Pc by downey@floss.social
2023-07-04T21:14:14Z
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@mattcen Sorry, but I have done literally each of those things mentioned using Matrix.Just because you haven't, it doesn't mean it's not possible.
(DIR) Post #AXMxUJ7MifjQcVbZQW by waiyado@novoa.nagoya
2023-07-05T01:51:56.574Z
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what im going to use then?, revolt?
(DIR) Post #AXMxUJb8vxYE6rXLqC by sarvo@novoa.nagoya
2023-07-05T01:52:17.669Z
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@waiyado irc
(DIR) Post #AXMxZOA5OU4jiAIgts by waiyado@novoa.nagoya
2023-07-05T01:53:03.029Z
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Mi cerebro no da para tanto
(DIR) Post #AXMxZOh3PuRlMPj1Hs by sarvo@novoa.nagoya
2023-07-05T01:53:14.701Z
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@waiyado bueno matrix
(DIR) Post #AXMxm2m8DeLb9C8932 by pernia@cum.salon
2023-07-05T01:55:27.623773Z
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@mattcen gay purple hair nigger, irc has no children to groom, only 50 year old pedophiles