Post AXKCdVkM3DBYESoCtE by LukefromDC@kolektiva.social
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(DIR) Post #AX6DXdBWrWVLIzqAfw by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-27T00:00:54Z
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Denver last year offered subsidies for buying electric bikesTheir first 600 were snapped up in 10 minutes. Demand was *huge*Denver ended up issuing over 4,700 (about 2,300 of which went to low-income residents)Research shows it reduced car-miles driven in the city by 100K a weekMy takeaway?We should have ebike subsidies *everywhere*, and *now*. Cheaper than electric car subsidies, and arguably even more catalyticMy essay: https://clivethompson.medium.com/its-time-to-subsidize-e-bikes-900a862b8e76"Friend" link https://clivethompson.medium.com/its-time-to-subsidize-e-bikes-900a862b8e76?sk=dea9f07c0dab4be831ee50a197360f95
(DIR) Post #AX6Ec0VgBMgSl7urtA by failedLyndonLaRouchite@mas.to
2023-06-27T00:13:12Z
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@clive I may be wrong, but this is typical of the not believable blog posts that infest the internetyou say 100K fewer car miles per week, and link herehttps://bikeportland.org/2023/03/06/what-we-can-learn-from-denvers-e-bike-rebate-program-371026at the very bottom is a dead link to the report which may have this info(screen shot)shrugs
(DIR) Post #AX6FFOjG4QXVAP3C5Y by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-27T00:19:40Z
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@failedLyndonLaRouchite Aha, thank you -- I muffed up the links. It's fixed now, with a link to the actual report!
(DIR) Post #AX6FmYtdI0TeFxiVhg by failedLyndonLaRouchite@mas.to
2023-06-27T00:26:22Z
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@clive very polite of you "politeness judo"
(DIR) Post #AX6GLFxDhwQvdywFQe by failedLyndonLaRouchite@mas.to
2023-06-27T00:32:36Z
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@clive thank youthe 100k number is the result of an online survey - I couldn't find out how the survey was done, eg was it a representative samplemy very rough math suggests the people of Denver drive 175 million miles/week (250 miles per person, on avg)rough math, but this show the huge potential of ebikes
(DIR) Post #AX6Gc9F9uXtLkoNrFY by atthenius@fediscience.org
2023-06-27T00:34:50Z
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@clive Some links to the E-BIKE Act in your next writing please. :) :) :)https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/1685
(DIR) Post #AX6HY47t5wmig9bFyK by michelet@mastodon.social
2023-06-27T00:46:08Z
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@clive and end the cap on the number of e-bikes in the Citibike program!
(DIR) Post #AX6KXmis6HmmZ7SNA8 by pixelpusher220@universeodon.com
2023-06-27T01:19:41Z
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@clive I've read that insurance on ebikes is astronomical due to how easy the batteries are to steal. They're small and portable and obvs aren't protected by much of an enclosure.
(DIR) Post #AX6Kj0dchh8euOM0bw by grumpasaurus@fosstodon.org
2023-06-27T01:21:41Z
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@clive I'd be super interested in car accident statistics and other potential correlations to a decrease in 100k car miles
(DIR) Post #AX6KpGYORVUw0WtJKK by mariyadelano@hachyderm.io
2023-06-27T01:21:12Z
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@clive gosh if only the Denver area also introduced public transport between cities / towns…. *looks at highway all around as my husband and I drive to the nearest restaurant over because we literally can’t walk anywhere from our family’s house in Arvada (Denver area)*
(DIR) Post #AX6Ms3c5DAJmeO4kxU by anne_twain@theblower.au
2023-06-27T01:45:47Z
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@clive What's the weather like in Denver?
(DIR) Post #AX6NJFZCsNoDXhhGYC by carlmjohnson@mastodon.social
2023-06-27T01:50:40Z
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@clive I think the thing people who live in suburbs miss is that in a city, cars are super slow. You can bike faster than a car in a regular bike, forget e-bikes. But hills are a huge pain and without a dedicated lane, it’s uncomfortably dangerous. Having e-bike subsidies could tilt the balance so the intracity traffic becomes more bike based and therefore less congested, less polluted, etc.
(DIR) Post #AX6NwQNqaqzYNs3zZg by JonnyFever@freespeechextremist.com
2023-06-27T01:58:39.447877Z
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@pixelpusher220 @clive I’m glad you said that. I’m building an ebike right nowimage.jpg
(DIR) Post #AX6PnfZwvd6eoTg2ue by utbluegirl@mastodon.social
2023-06-27T02:18:30Z
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@clive ebike vouchers now in Salt Lake City, Yay1https://www.sltrib.com/news/2023/06/23/1000-e-bike-vouchers-are-available/
(DIR) Post #AX6QBH53fEHNmcU316 by lily@outdoors.lgbt
2023-06-27T02:22:11Z
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@clive A VERY happy owner of two of these subsidized bikes myself! Such a smart program and honestly it was just EASY.
(DIR) Post #AX6Qj2i5bE7n3lqGw4 by jason@logoff.website
2023-06-27T02:28:47Z
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@clive I live there and have seen people from all walks of life, professions, areas of the city with them and any time I ask about it they are SO gushing about the program. It would be a no-brainer on voter goodwill alone, it’s so popular.Basically any time someone tries one they’re sold on it.
(DIR) Post #AX6RwqSg2ISD50mKR6 by humansriseup@ioc.exchange
2023-06-27T02:42:35Z
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@clive I hear ya! No rebate. Lots of enjoyment! ☮️
(DIR) Post #AX6SH7vWoHQ52UwcQC by 0ddfish@mastodon.social
2023-06-27T02:46:18Z
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@clive My partner and I scooped up 2 e-bikes from this program! While it doesn't replace driving for us, they're regularly used in our household for transportation. Very supportive of these kinds of subsidies for other areas.
(DIR) Post #AX6SUQmA2d7xGLuHrM by toxtethogrady@universeodon.com
2023-06-27T02:48:42Z
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@clive e-bikes are great, but the willy-nilly distribution of these things at street corners and bus stops is more bane than boon. Bike-sharing really needs to be managed better...
(DIR) Post #AX6Ycw8ruDeOaKy20O by theLastTheorist@mastodon.social
2023-06-27T03:57:30Z
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@clive Related news: RTD zero fare is back this summer for July and August. So even if you didn't get a new e-bike, you don't have to drive.https://www.rtd-denver.com/zerofare
(DIR) Post #AX6ZWxomrRmG04I316 by HangFireBooks@social.horrorhub.club
2023-06-27T04:07:35Z
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@clive Would not look forward to even more potentially explosive badly maintained batteries burning down apartment buildings. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/14/new-york-e-bike-batteries-fires-delivery-workersHow about subsidies for human-powered bikes and discounts for people picking up their own takeout.
(DIR) Post #AX6a5G1Ngl5EImX7oG by drclareharris@newsie.social
2023-06-27T04:13:51Z
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@clive I appreciate this effort! Thanks!
(DIR) Post #AX6b5khVise7PI2TK4 by sputnikus@mastodon.social
2023-06-27T04:25:08Z
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@clive Unfortunately, I think the majority of North American cities are simply not designed with cyclists in mind. Sharing the road with two-ton vehicles is a sure way to get killed.I would rather the government invest in better urban planning to make cities safer and more convenient for cyclists and pedestrians. E-bikes are a great way to cover long distances, but that shouldn't be necessary if zoning laws did not force us to live hours away from city centers.
(DIR) Post #AX6bfGEEUlcHK9HBOy by gmoke@mastodon.social
2023-06-27T04:31:32Z
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@clive Electric bikes (scooters & all electric micro-mobility vehicles) should be equipped with batteries that can be remote power when the grid fails, rolling electricity storage as electric cars/trucks are.
(DIR) Post #AX6eNRzaJq2CSUcjL6 by PeterAbraham@mastodon.social
2023-06-27T05:01:56Z
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@clive Agree!
(DIR) Post #AX6eU2u3zvdefoBb16 by GhostOnTheHalfShell@masto.ai
2023-06-27T05:02:37Z
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@clive nice!
(DIR) Post #AX6edYCB1X6KKYBsWW by kkarhan@mstdn.social
2023-06-27T05:03:35Z
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@clive also U.S. cities should sacrifice at least one vehicle lane per direction on multi-lane roads for bikes.
(DIR) Post #AX6esmRkJwSmsCjdqq by JonnyFever@freespeechextremist.com
2023-06-27T05:08:29.058602Z
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@kkarhan @clive This is how mass murderers are created.
(DIR) Post #AX6h5IUDDtb3csz7nE by jessta@aus.social
2023-06-27T05:32:14Z
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@clive I'm all for giving money to people on low incomes, but with e-bikes already being the 5x-100x cheapest mode of transport percentage subsidies really shouldn't be an effective incentive.I reckon the subsidies where snapped up by people that were already going to get an e-bike and didn't need an incentive.
(DIR) Post #AX6jsPfJWIpzzPj2i8 by DrOtto@mastodon.online
2023-06-27T06:03:34Z
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@clive but waitwhat do we ride in the winter
(DIR) Post #AX6kKm7nbsCDkqZcBM by msgbi@mastodon.social
2023-06-27T06:08:16Z
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@clive @charles_ex
(DIR) Post #AX6kUmhiJLJkRm93Eu by jamessavage@mastodon.ie
2023-06-27T06:10:29Z
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@clive on your side here. However, do subsidies to consumers really ever incentivise manufacturers to cut costs or does it make excessive pricing a “design feature”?Would preferential loans to manufacturers or similar help take away a lot of the risk of scaling up production (usually a key way to cut unit cost in capital intensive processes) while encouraging more competitive pricing to consumers to ensure volumes get shifted?
(DIR) Post #AX6lVTjuPFf1sC4BoO by osma@mas.to
2023-06-27T06:20:43Z
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Bikes are the cheapest way to solve bott urban traffic and quality of life. Copenhagen did it decades ago with infrastructure, and Denver just started it with subsidies for e-bikes. Bang for the buck far exceeds anything a car-focused plan would need.@clive writes about Denver:https://clivethompson.medium.com/its-time-to-subsidize-e-bikes-900a862b8e76
(DIR) Post #AX6oWC69mTiJJPVPdo by shuttersparks@qoto.org
2023-06-27T06:55:23Z
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@clive I've been eyeing ebikes for several years now. They still seem overpriced.
(DIR) Post #AX6w1oRDz3QUsRNrMW by hramrach@stranger.social
2023-06-27T08:19:44Z
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@clive Not everywhere, only where the terrain is reasonably flat.e-bikes really help with the problem that even a slight incline that you don't even notice on foot is tiring on a bike.They don't help in the places that are built on unreasonably hilly terrain.There is no silver bullet, the solutions that work in different places are necessarily different.
(DIR) Post #AX6xuSO5li34MzXTX6 by IcooIey@mastodon.green
2023-06-27T08:40:45Z
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@clive Connecticut’s state wide program w/ added $$ for EJ/distressed communities goes live June 28. https://portal.ct.gov/DEEP/Air/Mobile-Sources/CHEAPR/Electric-Bicycles
(DIR) Post #AX70gsHezQiMUgkHeS by IndyRichard@mastodon.scot
2023-06-27T09:11:58Z
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@clive Thankyou for your post. The one area you don't cover is repair and maintenance of the e-bikes. We don't want a situation where these all end up being dumped in a few short years as the batteries age. We need to be fixing more to give the e-bikes much longer life.
(DIR) Post #AX72INjH8hJegm6wfQ by Jeramee@mastodon.social
2023-06-27T09:29:57Z
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@clive Do they happen to have pre & post pollution measurements?
(DIR) Post #AX75BCpJZmqei7CoqG by joriki@infosec.exchange
2023-06-27T10:01:47Z
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@clivebug your reps to fund bikes and bike commuting... https://infosec.exchange/@joriki/110595968232741377
(DIR) Post #AX75vyHDUShbC9YXJY by Christo98@mastodon.social
2023-06-27T10:10:43Z
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@clive Rubbish for the environment
(DIR) Post #AX793PuvQDUooHN5km by glennsills@dotnet.social
2023-06-27T10:45:41Z
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@clive I agree with this, but it is important to change the way we plan streets and roads. We should optimize for public transportation first (buses), pedestrians second, bikes third, and then worry about the cars. This will go a long way towards reducing car traffic in cities.
(DIR) Post #AX7AOeEVUV8pFGDafA by noirlover@heads.social
2023-06-27T11:00:20Z
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@clive two recommendations. One, ride a real bike. Second, read some of the comments in the recent nyt atricle on e-bikes. New Yorkers hate the e-bike dystopia the city has become. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/21/nyregion/e-bike-lithium-battery-fires-nyc.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
(DIR) Post #AX7CvIH8LjwWbq8p7Y by hapax@discuss.systems
2023-06-27T11:29:02Z
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@clive Ebikes, if they were widely adopted, would work even in my current suburban Atlanta town! I only live about 2 miles from our regular grocery store & about 5 miles away from everything else we normally need (pharmacy, Target/other shopping, 10+ restaurants, etc). These distances are within reach for Ebikes. But the only way that would work is if pretty much everyone used them, which is unlikely to happen. Subsidies could be a great way to increase adoption!
(DIR) Post #AX7Hz4y0GvSeGLokpk by kreynen@fosstodon.org
2023-06-27T12:25:42Z
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@clive a variation of this program is going to be available in the entire state of Colorado in August.https://www.cpr.org/2023/06/08/colorado-ebike-rebate-program/
(DIR) Post #AX7KrNcHLhlreJg0I4 by bandersona1@thecanadian.social
2023-06-27T12:57:56Z
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@clive I’m loving my sturdy iGO e-bike. Keeps me pumping and hills are no problem. Just wish I worked in the city so I could ride to work.
(DIR) Post #AX7LDqoVTWFSZd6wFM by Chris@mastodon.green
2023-06-27T13:01:57Z
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@clive #cycling -> #health and #climate beneficial#Cyklistforbundet
(DIR) Post #AX7MrrFRNZP3SULkDg by chmps@4bear.com
2023-06-27T13:20:22Z
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@clive Though flat out subsidies for e-bikes are rather rudimentary.- E-bikes can be shared easily since the bulk of mobility is related to work, which is spread throughout the day for different people.- E-bikes still need biking infrastructure to work best which is in direct competition with car facilities for space and in terms of safety.- E-bikes are still bikes so solve the last mile problem well. Public transit + bike storage is the next level.
(DIR) Post #AX7OaA193XE0MnLtUu by kfet@fosstodon.org
2023-06-27T13:39:10Z
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@clive related: British Columbia, Canada has an ongoing e-bikes rebate since June 1st. Demand was so high it crashed the applications page, and its on a waitlist now: https://bcebikerebates.ca
(DIR) Post #AX7OwSRVETT7skJSS0 by helava@mastodon.cloud
2023-06-27T13:43:38Z
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@clive bought an electric cargo bike earlier this year and have absolutely loved it. Turned something like 60% of my car miles into bike miles.
(DIR) Post #AX7RgXptiBdXq3pKzI by resing@social.coop
2023-06-27T14:13:46Z
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@clive I had no idea e-bikes could reduce car miles so much! Thanks for sharing these promising results. Makes me look at them in a whole new way.
(DIR) Post #AX7RhBahu5Fl8X1lrc by Brutus@stranger.social
2023-06-27T14:12:25Z
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@clive https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/cornwalls-e-bike-scheme-helped-8079299 I notice in my home-town, a tiny backwards little place, we have an e-bike program, and all I've seen is people riding around on them, families, tourists, people going to work, or cruising, it's been a HUGE success. ♥ #Cornwall
(DIR) Post #AX7l63m00PEDG5sqUC by phantomkitty@furry.engineer
2023-06-27T17:51:56Z
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@clive I would think in Denver that ebikes would only be usable 3 or maybe 4 months a year, the rest of the time the weather and road conditions make them unsafe to use.
(DIR) Post #AX7lvbWEIdcagh5Nce by ohmu@social.seattle.wa.us
2023-06-27T18:00:07Z
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@cliveHow does the program track use of those bikes?
(DIR) Post #AX7r6nL7BrHUIz2h3Q by aeischeid@mastodon.social
2023-06-27T18:59:13Z
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@clive Just got back from a lunch trip to the other side of town via e-bike. ~11 miles round trip. Could have done on a regular bike for sure, but e-bike made it faster, and more comfortable. I got a bit of exercise, but not a intense workout, as in, I am a bit warm, but only a tiny bit sweaty. E-bikes are amazing, even without subsidies a lot of people can afford them and will save money using them, plus that bike ride was more pleasant by far than a car ride would have been.
(DIR) Post #AX7reHSKEuZVGWNlVw by nephiw@mastodon.acm.org
2023-06-27T19:05:07Z
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@clive "On your left!" I used to live in Denver and bike from the Commerce City area to downtown Denver 3 days a week. The clear creek trail was amazing. A friend who still lives there told me yesterday that the bike trails are now filled with e-bikes going at top speed and pushing out other bikes and pedestrians. Now I know why! So how can we get even more infrastructure to support these new bikers?
(DIR) Post #AX7zD7matYTv4zQOky by EdwardTeech@mastodon.social
2023-06-27T20:29:58Z
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@clive how much power draw did that are to the local system. What happens to the batteries when they break or wear out?
(DIR) Post #AX826gfR62n16ihNkO by hye@glammr.us
2023-06-27T21:02:31Z
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@clive As a non-E cyclist and anticipating staying a non-E cyclist, I'm supportive of these measures that will create spillover effects for general bike advocacy!
(DIR) Post #AX85M5FeH8idYlfbgO by mainsac@social.irregulars.io
2023-06-27T21:38:55Z
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@clive amazing!!!
(DIR) Post #AX85y43LBDAoqZ1WxE by isagalaev@mastodon.social
2023-06-27T21:45:47Z
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@clive as a self-professed car guy, I like this sort of news, because it shows people get options meaningful for them, and it doesn't take anything away from anyone.
(DIR) Post #AX8EK4r5fzjZL7IkJk by parhizj@sigmoid.social
2023-06-27T23:19:23Z
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@clive I don't have them handy but according to a couple studies I read recently that were in the news about bikes use in europe is that they are not reducing car ownership, they just seem to be supplementing them for lifestyles that want the optionality of both, which, if it continues, will be unsustainable.
(DIR) Post #AX8IEePox2QRhsDKt6 by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:03:10Z
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@atthenius Yes!
(DIR) Post #AX8IFkHKdc2WBElW64 by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:03:25Z
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@JonnyFever @pixelpusher220 Very cool!
(DIR) Post #AX8IVKToKC0Ang27f6 by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:06:15Z
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@mariyadelano Yep yepIntracity cycling can be very dodgy -- I've done a lot of it: https://clivethompson.medium.com/what-its-like-cycling-from-city-to-city-in-the-us-514901cdfd63?sk=a700083b13222221056d9f10548257ad
(DIR) Post #AX8Id2zDFV8irUOwyG by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:06:36Z
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@grumpasaurus Me too!
(DIR) Post #AX8IqoPyD8NfjUTrbU by linuxlucy@mastodon.org.uk
2023-06-27T06:29:47Z
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@anne_twain @clive why are you concerned about the weather? If it rains then wear a raincoat, it's far more practical than using your car as a coat.Most weather concerns about cycling are actually infrastructure problems. Many countries with rain, wind, ice and snow manage to have plenty of cyclists just fine with the right infra.Study after study has shown that what actually puts people off cycling are motor vehicles.
(DIR) Post #AX8IqpHV07COPVWc2S by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:08:18Z
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@linuxlucy @anne_twain I cycle year-round in NYC, though we don't in practice have a ton of super-snowy daysEven with snow, though, you're quite right @linuxlucy that infrastructure -- and the maintenance thereof -- makes all the differenceIf there's a big dump of snow in NYC but it's quickly ploughed, I can easily cycle it
(DIR) Post #AX8IqqKj5bNHfo2hhw by linuxlucy@mastodon.org.uk
2023-06-27T06:30:52Z
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@anne_twain @clive it's not just Denver who are trying this. Paris has a bangers for bikes scheme that seems to be working well too.
(DIR) Post #AX8Iwaio2uAIza2xfM by legumancer@tech.lgbt
2023-06-27T08:49:41Z
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@anne_twain @clive having bike commuted in the lake effect snow area, proper snow clearing on roads and bike lanes is really important for winter cycling. Unfortunately a lot of places plow the snow onto bike lanes, crosswalk entrances and sometimes even sidewalks which is a big problem for cyclists, pedestrians and wheelchair users. I switched to walking or car on bad snow and ice days because the city's plows were careless.For rain, capes/ponchos are a good design since they tend to shelter your legs too. Good fenders are critical for a commuting bike in my opinion. In Rochester I usually had some kind of outerwear that would stop unexpected rain from soaking all the way through in the time it took to get home, but without fenders I would've had street water splashed all up my back. I'd learned that the hard way as a kid, so I added fenders to my commuting bike as soon as I got it.
(DIR) Post #AX8IwhQH8CV9m8QlFo by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:09:40Z
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@legumancer @anne_twain Yes to all this!
(DIR) Post #AX8J56FIiwIB4yIqyu by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:10:13Z
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@carlmjohnson Very true -- cars mostly don't move very fast all in NYC and Brooklyn where I cycle
(DIR) Post #AX8JBCz6a9X3iUdlr6 by raphaelmorgan@disabled.social
2023-06-27T05:14:19Z
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@carlmjohnson @clive hell I live in a very small city and even so the e-bikes wouldn't be much slower than a carIf I could get a trike with electric assist I'd take it everywhere
(DIR) Post #AX8JBDjXnUgA2WMrEu by jdstewart2008@mastodon.social
2023-06-27T19:06:34Z
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@raphaelmorgan @carlmjohnson @clive Rad Power makes an electric assist trike.https://www.radpowerbikes.com/products/radtrike-electric-tricycle
(DIR) Post #AX8JBFEmCrFwhfzJYm by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:10:48Z
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@jdstewart2008 @raphaelmorgan @carlmjohnson Yep -- I got a chance to try riding one when they launched that line!They were pretty fun!
(DIR) Post #AX8JH2Ryf47wmZvQTg by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:11:15Z
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@utbluegirl Very cool!
(DIR) Post #AX8JMPHXCYdX2cbHvs by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:11:35Z
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@lily That's awesome to hear!
(DIR) Post #AX8JX9hRTZ5NtpqNmK by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:12:31Z
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@jason Yeah, that's mostly what I've seen with ebikes Folks who are on the fence and try them tend to be pretty impressed
(DIR) Post #AX8Jdj3qupqPJCSWiO by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:12:47Z
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@humansriseup Nice!
(DIR) Post #AX8Jipr35KxTpHuHGi by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:13:29Z
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@0ddfish Yep yep -- they can't replace all rides in cars or trucks ... but they can be useful in quite a few situations
(DIR) Post #AX8JoEkDyLYCT8I3do by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:15:07Z
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@theLastTheorist Aha, right on
(DIR) Post #AX8Ju4YMmB9wbBWhPs by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:15:36Z
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@HangFireBooks I'd be down for subsidies on regular nonelectric bikes too!
(DIR) Post #AX8K3bPxxKbN8H8psG by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:14:34Z
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@toxtethogrady Yeah, the "dockless" ebike-share programs can be quite messyPersonally-owned ebikes are less of an issue, because the owners lock them up and/or take them inside
(DIR) Post #AX8K9JUTWQY7GlyR3A by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:21:32Z
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@hramrach Yep, precisely -- no single mode of transportation rules allThough "well funded and frequently-arriving" public transit is probably atop the pile, where it exists😁
(DIR) Post #AX8KEXBY25vNBtbtWy by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:21:43Z
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@IcooIey Ooooo cool
(DIR) Post #AX8KJjpkQxPJrotXtY by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:21:51Z
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@IndyRichard true true
(DIR) Post #AX8KRNCoRpuC0KK90y by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:19:26Z
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@jamessavage Good questions! There's certainly debate amongst policy and economics thinkers about what types of subsidies actually bring prices down and create economies of scaleConsumer-direct subsidies worked pretty well for residential solarWhether ebike manufacturing sufficiently resembles that industry is a good question though
(DIR) Post #AX8KXLvc6tabmQ89DM by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:25:34Z
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@Jeramee The report estimates 2,040 metric tons of CO2 reduced per year, but I'd also be interested to see estimates (or better yet, measurements) of other tailpipe emissions like carbon monoxide, nitrogen dioxide, and the welter of particulates that come out of tailpipesThose are the ones that mess up the local environment immediatelyhttps://5891093.fs1.hubspotusercontent-na1.net/hubfs/5891093/Denvers%202022%20Ebike%20Incentive%20Program%20Results%20and%20Recommendations.pdf?__hstc=&__hssc=&hsCtaTracking=f6c129d8-5739-4033-ae8d-38d8a4d7d52b%7C4d3304a1-3f00-438b-b2bd-bd69b50cfdb9
(DIR) Post #AX8KceUMWwHEnAuWum by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:26:01Z
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@joriki yes!
(DIR) Post #AX8KqxnVXNdCjPgqP2 by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:27:23Z
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@kreynen right on
(DIR) Post #AX8Kw8oK1C10KtXWjo by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:27:35Z
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@bandersona1 That's excellent!
(DIR) Post #AX8L1QMKCWVoD2xndY by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:27:14Z
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@hapax Yep yep -- induced demand frequently works!
(DIR) Post #AX8L6zU32IgOauEL4a by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:30:17Z
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@kfet I didn't know about that -- thank you for pointing it out!
(DIR) Post #AX8LDBqJzufKfBbY6S by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:30:54Z
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@helava Cargo ebikes are incredibly transformative -- they can haul *so* much!
(DIR) Post #AX8LIbtoY36YvJp5CC by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:31:24Z
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@Brutus Right on!
(DIR) Post #AX8LNo74Z52MFgVDZA by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:31:35Z
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@resing Glad you dug it!
(DIR) Post #AX8LXMeBXNHPxoY1Mu by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:33:36Z
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@phantomkitty I haven't lived in Denver, so I can't tell you what it's like there year roundI live in NYC, and cycle year round here though -- with the exception of the period right after a huge dump of snow, when roads haven't yet been ploughed, it's quite good ... and that isn't more than small handful of daysBut! I enjoy cycling to begin with ... if one doesn't enjoy it, cycling in colder weather would be even less enjoyable
(DIR) Post #AX8Lcni4LXctLRxNi4 by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:35:18Z
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@aeischeid Very cool!I've read some early research into ebikes that found that users got quite a lot of exercise -- because while they have electrical assist (reducing cardio/muscle effort), the ebike gives them confidence to go much longer distances than they would on a non-electric bike ... so they make it up on volume, as it were
(DIR) Post #AX8LhuM34JMrOx5ltg by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:36:39Z
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@nephiw Getting more bike infrastructure is crucial!I think these programs are part of what helps lead to better infrastructure, though. The more folks that own bikes or ebikes and use them regularly, the more there's demonstrated demand for politicians to see and act on
(DIR) Post #AX8LmuWjr47DNsTgbA by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:37:02Z
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@hye yes yes!
(DIR) Post #AX8Ls97737j64VzJHE by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:37:17Z
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@mainsac 🤘
(DIR) Post #AX8LxM5WErN9l6j68W by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:38:00Z
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@isagalaev Yeah same hereI have a car, and a regular (non electric) bike, and I walk a lot and take public transit -- I live in BrooklynPlurality of options are good
(DIR) Post #AX8M7JzWt9mo9Ug2bI by Brutus@stranger.social
2023-06-28T00:40:54Z
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@clive Stephen PayneInconsiderate #BerylBike parking, junction of Branwell Lane and Jelbert Way, #Penzance -Of course, it's not all sweetness and light, they are always being parked wrong, and/or pushed over by roaming gangs of feral kids.
(DIR) Post #AX8Mzj2JzJCHSuvOk4 by raphaelmorgan@disabled.social
2023-06-28T00:17:33Z
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@jdstewart2008 @carlmjohnson @clive oh, cool! /genbut let me rephrase: if I could *afford* one (or get it with one of these subsidies) I'd take it everywhere 😅 maybe someday... that price isn't unreasonable or anything I just can't really afford to spend that much on a one-person vehicle especially with how easy they are to steal
(DIR) Post #AX8MzjcTos7XH3qH6O by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T00:56:37Z
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@raphaelmorgan @jdstewart2008 @carlmjohnson True true
(DIR) Post #AX8RPaw387Ongaa9Ng by helava@mastodon.cloud
2023-06-28T01:46:03Z
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@clive yeah. It’s great for groceries, for kid school dropoff/pickup, errands, visiting folks. The assist makes it variable from “exercise” to “not exercise”. Parking is trivial, so ducking in to busy places is super fast.It makes the amount of space & primacy we devote to cars feel obscene though. And I’m a “car guy”. Cars as an enthusiast thing would be more sustainable if utility were shifted to e-bikes. Move parking to the edges of town. Bike to car. Reclaim city streets for humans.
(DIR) Post #AX8SSG5ZC25br2rrIu by aeischeid@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T01:57:46Z
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@clive yeah, makes sense to me. Another aspect I never planned for. Doing bike rides with young kids is often too slow to get any meaningful exercise on a regular bike, but with my e-bike I put the assist to zero and it is just enough heavier that it gets the blood flowing.
(DIR) Post #AX8aOU7XscvxqgVMLg by Jeramee@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T03:26:45Z
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@clive Wow. I used to ride a bike everywhere when I worked in Hanoi. I loved it. I felt like I had a lot more energy from riding my bike.Hoping to get back to Hanoi soon. They seem to be trying some things to increase bike usage there.
(DIR) Post #AX8aZlxTtsoMMBBCqW by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T03:28:47Z
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@helava 100%
(DIR) Post #AX94ZOxgOnQret0stc by Chimaera@mastodon.world
2023-06-28T09:04:50Z
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@clive @linuxlucy @anne_twain NYC is having serious issues with fires started by the batteries used for e-bikes (free link). https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/21/nyregion/e-bike-lithium-battery-fires-nyc.html?unlocked_article_code=wo5yuiLnzIs3SVe1I5hAWhJMzFghMnaJ-KMsZ244U69GnDEd1IDY29BlbcUbFmEYmi6VRev7ylxT3aOZBCiP7GQiWAr3a2VEERY0ot7Ue0EpBOQuoYR_GBSfN8HkHxadN0bprYInPCCyP3ZbQL8qnPhIx0pmPiSXlh2tZZkvHccNdyL-JMeYX2J0LGJYTOhxCA6M9BKm1X98OpP510SNoueA-xKpqSt5XyJWZLxs9ymcX6CNC4CyBkqoLLsc52js0KwHjDE0a0uuF2DELSlMRzYAF3wKTYNiveo7b2KsBTyiCPEstHQsSeXYTZ0duugJ16n_pGYtUGhjI62FUITCvY3tOs9k4q2tQw2GMA&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
(DIR) Post #AX9J2mAUaxD7O9uDiK by Karenkaz@cityofchicago.live
2023-06-28T11:46:38Z
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@clive Seems to me that subsidies - especially point-of-sale subsidies like Denver's - would help prevent fires like the ones in NY which are typically caused by DIY conversions or no-name internet bikes with cheap batteries. POS subsidies steer purchasers to legit brands with higher quality batteries.
(DIR) Post #AX9NOZboN2xCckKj5M by baoigheallain@mastodon.ie
2023-06-28T12:35:46Z
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@clive I’ve been saying this for years. The damn things are so transformative that governments should be giving them away. So many societal advantages plus: a critical mass on the roads will improve safety, and ordering in such numbers will drive manufacturing innovation and lower prices.
(DIR) Post #AX9QqoSB4Wm2dOz5iC by nephiw@mastodon.acm.org
2023-06-28T13:14:29Z
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@clive I am also frustrated that bike shops now have one or two bikes and the rest of the shop is dedicated to e-bikes. I experience this as a loss; where I once browsed a shop for accessories, now I am online...I now live in Ohio. I now bike less because I have to first drive to the trail due to old and terrible road designs without trails or even sidewalks. I hope that e-bikes can help motivate the improvement of infrastructure.Thanks for the article, I hope you have even more success.
(DIR) Post #AX9RYdIBviBClECyrQ by VedaDalsette@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T13:22:22Z
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@clive But that will give Big Oil a sad!
(DIR) Post #AX9ZivuUMcCd21XnZw by ExponentialGPs@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T14:53:49Z
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@clive I have eBike envy but where I live there are only 2 routes out of my neighborhood. neither is safe for any bike, or pedestrian. I can’t get to a nearby grocery store or my job by bike unless something drastic is done to the roads, followed up by enforcement. It’s not a wealthy borough so it’s unlikely, & for the work journey, 3 other boroughs would have to do the same on their main streets.
(DIR) Post #AX9uAwgx37DgeCqZkm by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T18:43:05Z
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@ExponentialGPs Yep — the infrastructure in some towns is truly dangerous for bikes
(DIR) Post #AX9uOE3lmpU6HIqv56 by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T18:43:57Z
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@VedaDalsette Heh heh particularly if we reallocate some of their $20 billion a year in subsidies over to e-bikes and bike infrastructure
(DIR) Post #AX9uTpajfj2G81we8m by crschmidt@better.boston
2023-06-28T12:32:17Z
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@phantomkitty @clive Using bike traffic counts from a long-standing bike counter in Boulder, Colorado (https://open-data.bouldercolorado.gov/datasets/bf644e6159854777a7b0862f69ae82bf_0/explore) shows:Bicycling highest in Aug->Oct (likely college related)March-July and November are pretty steady at around 60% of peak fall usageOnly Dec/Jan/Feb have low ridership, at about 30% of peak fall usage.Even in the worst months, half of the annual average trips still happen, and overall, the cycling season is about 9 months.
(DIR) Post #AX9uTqoF8zQzuDGwpk by crschmidt@better.boston
2023-06-28T12:40:51Z
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@phantomkitty @clive A quick chart of the total monthly counts at the Boulder bike counter to help visualize the overall impact; the annual average of the monthly counts is right at 100k, so you can see that March -> May are really not far off, and November is actually above the average.
(DIR) Post #AX9uTrVqWsJS5RflnU by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T18:44:53Z
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@phantomkitty @crschmidt Aha interesting!
(DIR) Post #AX9uaMgPYFDeUuiOiO by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T18:45:18Z
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@baoigheallain Yeah they are really in a sweet spot
(DIR) Post #AX9ugS0IgK8Sjlv6Ya by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T18:45:55Z
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@Karenkaz Yep precisely
(DIR) Post #AX9yYXjJuLYNzqSjmi by jamessavage@mastodon.ie
2023-06-28T19:32:09Z
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@clive I think solar has an intuitive commercial appeal in terms of clear payback periods and detailled power bills. This seems more like my waste collection where I know I am incentivised to reduce, reuse or recycle as much as possible but the actual savings are unclear. Another alternative is to increase carbon cost of ICE vehicles! 😀 All sorts of evidence to show that people invest much more in aggregate in energy efficiency solutions when cost of fossil fuels is high.
(DIR) Post #AX9zGmxKevbXxd79wu by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-28T19:40:09Z
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@jamessavage yep -- as I recall that's why most economists would argue that, if you want to reduce CO2 emissions, a tax at the gas pump is the simplest way to do it, with the revenues going towards public transit and electrification of individual transitAlas, politicians in the US are too terrified to add a tax to gas
(DIR) Post #AXAOcr6cPOoS3X4qNE by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-29T00:24:17Z
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@michelet Yessssss
(DIR) Post #AXAZryVAIAbqpjyEiG by JonnyFever@freespeechextremist.com
2023-06-29T02:31:09.529090Z
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@clive @pixelpusher220 I ordered all the parts for the ebike. All the parts came in within three weeks except for the frame. The frame won’t be here from China for another month!!!
(DIR) Post #AXBb6e4koOYOwJ8Vmq by clive@saturation.social
2023-06-29T14:18:39Z
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@pixelpusher220 @JonnyFever Post pix when you’re done!
(DIR) Post #AXBrxxYihbthyqb3js by cedriceveleigh@denizens.social
2023-06-29T17:27:04Z
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@clive
(DIR) Post #AXGSJoZv99dPTqiccq by GailNYC@ieji.de
2023-07-01T22:33:45Z
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@clive My co-op board has banned e-bikes in our building due to the proliferation of bad batteries that cause fires. Lots of other buildings are doing the same. If I’m offered a voucher I will not be able to use it. ☹️☹️
(DIR) Post #AXJ1pNwjaJfMrS6Beq by DarleneCypser@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-07-03T04:20:49Z
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@clive Colorado has its own ebike subsidies coming in August. https://energyoffice.colorado.gov/ebike-rebates
(DIR) Post #AXJmJNGlGIzvLAhinA by drehfeldt@universeodon.com
2023-07-03T13:01:30Z
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@clive as I get older the idea of an e-bike to assist on longer rides is appealing. I might even ride it to the local store for small shopping trips. However, the high cost, infrequent use due to midwestern weather conditions (storms, winter), limited trails and bike lanes, and crazy aggressive automobile drivers that, when combined, negate the potential benefits. I have noticed an increase in e-bike use in my area on the few walking paths, but e-bikes are not allowed on the walking pathways or sidewalks (although it’s not regularly enforced) and riding any bike on roads around my area is suicidal.
(DIR) Post #AXJmbA8OpsgzoeH7OS by clive@saturation.social
2023-07-03T13:04:36Z
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@drehfeldt Yep, those are all limiting downsides for sure Roads in the US have not been designed for bicycles for over 100 years now
(DIR) Post #AXKCdVkM3DBYESoCtE by LukefromDC@kolektiva.social
2023-07-03T17:55:09Z
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@clive In less than two years I've put 3,900 miles on mine
(DIR) Post #AXKNCpmIZ8NK2GCSmG by knf100@sfba.social
2023-07-03T19:55:18Z
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@clive Jevon’s paradox says that any efficiencies will only cause more usage. To reduce VMT we need road diets, parking/decongestion pricing & legal seizures/enforcement.
(DIR) Post #AXQ9wMaXBwmMPrGyem by gheller@mastodon.eco
2023-07-06T14:54:09Z
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@clive absolutely! I wonder if there is a place for #climatepledge companies and #billionaires to create their own extra-governmental subsidy programs? What if Mike Bloomberg and McKenzie Scott put up $50M for e-bike subsidies?
(DIR) Post #AXQhvd7TF7W98Eq8QK by clive@saturation.social
2023-07-06T21:15:51Z
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@gheller That would do a lot!