Post AXJr4cyd4xbBU30j2W by tante@tldr.nettime.org
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 (DIR) Post #AXJiGyZPiqEcLF1txI by tante@tldr.nettime.org
       2023-07-03T12:17:31Z
       
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       With the trajectory many established digital NGOs have taken in the last years and decades it's hard not to feel like maybe the my goto "burn everything down" gut feeling might be applicable here.Like the FSF has been a trainwreck for ages but it would be so important to have an org that actually wants to build on the idea of political computation, strip it of some of its bullshit and refocus the movement. CreativeCommons keeps following every fad (they liked NFTs now they legitimize "AI") and Mozilla keeps doing dumb shit to look like they are relevant as tech incubator. It's depressing. That's what it is.
       
 (DIR) Post #AXJjcy1oW9rOzBMbdQ by chrisg@fosstodon.org
       2023-07-03T12:31:58Z
       
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       @tante I couldn't agree more, and it's been bothering me as well for some time.My specific gripe is about the OSS gatekeeping and licensing which is woefully inadequate but people still hang on to it like it's gospel.Burn it all down indeed.
       
 (DIR) Post #AXJouRnJbIXnzujiwC by danjac@masto.ai
       2023-07-03T13:31:51Z
       
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       @tante I wonder if this is unique to tech, or whether NGOs in general are prone to takeover by people who have self-serving agendas contrary to the NGO's original mission.
       
 (DIR) Post #AXJr4cyd4xbBU30j2W by tante@tldr.nettime.org
       2023-07-03T13:55:39Z
       
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       @danjac that is a very good question
       
 (DIR) Post #AXJsLN3NdQCKyWmSEi by tante@tldr.nettime.org
       2023-07-03T14:10:12Z
       
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       @kajord I wouldn't say "big" but yeah, they wanted to hop on that, too. It does align with their politics quite well so not that surprising.
       
 (DIR) Post #AXJuT70dN3HfRKJaxU by codingconduct@hci.social
       2023-07-03T14:34:04Z
       
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       @tante Every org tends to degrade from mission to self-maintenance over time? I also think there’s a dynamic where once you are big/visible enough to have impact, you have maintenance costs that make you vulnerable to non-mission influence & interesting to external influencers.What would be a good non-digital NGO example that managed to stay impactful on mission? Reporters Sans Frontières?What about Archive.org? Positive counter-example?
       
 (DIR) Post #AXJv1BHK0LXuWgMkBk by tante@tldr.nettime.org
       2023-07-03T14:40:12Z
       
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       @codingconduct I think there are many good examples. Especially in the human rights and environmental areas. Sure, an older, bigger organization will create overheads at some point but that's really the cost of institutionalized knowledge I guess.
       
 (DIR) Post #AXJvMo7mlpiV5RDZ0C by mro@digitalcourage.social
       2023-07-03T14:44:16Z
       
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       @tante IMO the 'O' in NGO is the problem: once grown, they often mostly serve self-interests. So there may be no such thing as a useful big org. Corp or Org, big is the problem either way.
       
 (DIR) Post #AXK20YaUYUyCCwywvA by mspro@social.tchncs.de
       2023-07-03T15:58:28Z
       
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       @tante it seems to me that a lot of ngos get tamed by deepening their connections with polititians, institutions and „the industry“.
       
 (DIR) Post #AXKEBRQqhNmQePQcHA by tante@tldr.nettime.org
       2023-07-03T18:15:01Z
       
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       @gedankenstuecke good that not all of them fully fell off the wagon
       
 (DIR) Post #AXQWkSXN9F3Td9QTaq by scobiform@mastodon.social
       2023-07-06T19:11:20Z
       
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       @tante Can you explain why FSF is a trainwreck?