Post AXJWInAZsi3o72VpGC by tante@tldr.nettime.org
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(DIR) Post #AXJWInAZsi3o72VpGC by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2023-07-03T10:03:11Z
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Really disappointing to see CreativeCommons argue that "generative AI" on the basis of the appropriation of cultural works often against their creators' wishes is somehow like remixing and in the "public interest".https://creativecommons.org/2023/02/06/better-sharing-for-generative-ai/
(DIR) Post #AXJWP29D6fuoIrqhMG by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2023-07-03T10:04:30Z
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There's a massive difference between putting your own works under CC licenses to be used for remix etc. and corporations and their henchmen just grabbing everything without regard for who they hurt.
(DIR) Post #AXJWbTxtVXZY3KUYts by elmyra@wandering.shop
2023-07-03T10:06:25Z
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@tante oh. Oh no.
(DIR) Post #AXJWkyqU42cOQuYSci by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2023-07-03T10:08:30Z
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@elmyra It's so bad.
(DIR) Post #AXJWoFvozkVUIFc5cu by kkarhan@mstdn.social
2023-07-03T10:08:59Z
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@tante The problem is #PowerAsymetry: Even if a corporation is engaging in blatant copyright violations [which AI/ML isn't but I'm not talking about that here, as @senficon has done so long ago: https://felixreda.eu/2021/07/github-copilot-is-not-infringing-your-copyright/ ] the one who's rights have been violated has to invest time, money and lawyer up.And they'll most likely not even see a reimbursement of costs.
(DIR) Post #AXJWrukfgPT1lP8tGK by dirksen@norden.social
2023-07-03T10:09:26Z
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@tante I gave my work away for free under a CC licence. Even free for commercial use. But it would be nice to get some attribution in return. So I have mixed feelings about AI. Great tools indeed, but it is a new game now and people have to adapt. CC has to adapt, creative people have to adapt. Painters had to adapt when photography was invented.
(DIR) Post #AXJX5Q4SYBcuf9q0oK by ki@chaos.social
2023-07-03T10:12:12Z
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@tante As far as I understand, there is no way to use CC-BY with generative AI because you can't accurately cite sources.
(DIR) Post #AXJXB1Ugq7n2AzmMN6 by haverholm@imaginair.es
2023-07-03T10:13:07Z
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@tante Seems CC assume that "AI" is a friendly sentient cloud that floats around the internet in an ongoing remix session to make people dance and be happy 🤦
(DIR) Post #AXJajepDPj1xrraOzA by alper@rls.social
2023-07-03T10:53:03Z
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@tante Not at all surprising.
(DIR) Post #AXJd3vJxzXzsjGlFei by adam_harvey@tldr.nettime.org
2023-07-03T11:19:06Z
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@tante CC has become a neoliberal licensing scheme, or maybe it was the whole time and only obvious now
(DIR) Post #AXJd7JT6fW5QUQeW3c by XavCC@todon.eu
2023-07-03T11:19:21Z
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@tante You may enjoy this threadhttps://mstdn.social/@rysiek/110504808346511129
(DIR) Post #AXJexyPLnm7qTQZOgC by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2023-07-03T11:36:44Z
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@XavCC thank you! Great thread
(DIR) Post #AXJfu8ySfspi2YjM2q by bhaggart@mastodon.social
2023-07-03T11:50:59Z
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@tante Disappointing, but no surprising, as someone else said. The generative AI debate is definitely highlighting some longstanding blindspots held by previously untouchable champions of the internet, namely a lack of concern with private power and a belief that openness cures all. See also: EFF and Facebook/Cambridge Analytica.
(DIR) Post #AXJibCJqJWssm5OAme by simulo@hci.social
2023-07-03T12:21:11Z
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@tante Great examples for creativity and public interest: - musicians remixing- artists varying motives- massive data harvesting- sharing fanfics
(DIR) Post #AXJinIgSTYbxzPjpA0 by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2023-07-03T12:23:18Z
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@simulo Yes. I am not saying that "remixing" cannot be for the public interest. But there is a massive difference between an artist taking a piece of work and intentionally transform/build on it and a corporation sucking in all data possible to generate boatloads of shit for profit.
(DIR) Post #AXJjXAkiIRs0iBbNdg by simulo@hci.social
2023-07-03T12:31:39Z
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@tante I absolutely agree with you, the point was that "massive data harvesting" is not like the others and is not included in the usual "CC enables people to do great stuff" examples.
(DIR) Post #AXJjii6Odx3TKUFICe by AlexVoss@fosstodon.org
2023-07-03T12:32:57Z
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@tante @simulo „shit“ being the operative word here - this is my main objection and might give me cause to remix CC for my own work
(DIR) Post #AXJmzmbDTaSw3vUgAi by antinomy@prattle.org.uk
2023-07-03T13:10:23Z
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@tante I can see their argument for works licensed with remixing permitted, but are they going to help support and enforce the rights of creators who specifically withheld that permission?
(DIR) Post #AXJnYDL4Z78Eq7MQvA by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2023-07-03T13:16:41Z
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@antinomy feels very much that that would be a no
(DIR) Post #AXJo9OP0OWrtrnvcZ6 by StephanSchulz@fosstodon.org
2023-07-03T13:23:16Z
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@tante If companies (or anybody) grab CC or other copyleft material for training AIs, I think that is morally ok as long as they make it clear that the results are under the same license. And that may mean "no commercial use" or "free to distribute and reuse". And it becomes really interesting in the case of GPLed software...
(DIR) Post #AXJpFH5Mbx4Srk6ro0 by antinomy@prattle.org.uk
2023-07-03T13:35:38Z
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@tante My standard copyleft licence is non-commercial no-remix and in my view AI learning set use breaks both those conditions without ambiguity.
(DIR) Post #AXJr0LCbDsilCLV7su by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2023-07-03T13:55:15Z
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@antinomy at least the no-remix clause is definitely violated
(DIR) Post #AXJsf87IsYD4RR2NvM by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2023-07-03T14:13:53Z
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@gedankenstuecke @antinomy @aleesteele Cool, will check that out later! Thanks for the link
(DIR) Post #AYHHq9NhbnIAqbHnMW by eobet@oldbytes.space
2023-08-01T06:04:00Z
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@tante I guess they’re fishing for corporate donations? 🤢 Hey @dansup can you create a -NOAI- license variation for @pixelfed that one can add to uploads?