Post AXHW5Ww2XbMLgJT82S by laurel@freespeechextremist.com
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(DIR) Post #AXGwcKazqJk6cMy276 by zemichi@freespeechextremist.com
2023-07-02T04:14:18.898491Z
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Basically, you cant reconcile paying for Twitter while also putting limits on paid accounts.It's such a major misplay on twitters part you have to wonder what the psyop is.And no I don't believe the whole "they didn't pay their bills" because that's news media and news media is always fake.
(DIR) Post #AXGwszQ3pTmlranNz6 by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2023-07-02T04:17:18.206786Z
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@zemichi assuming it's really due to "muh AI scrapers">limit free accounts>AI companies cough up eight bucks, put it down as a business expense, and continues scraping>surprised pikachu dot png
(DIR) Post #AXGx2FpQBr8HMT4kCm by PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com
2023-07-02T04:18:58.843442Z
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>It's such a major misplay on twitters part you have to wonder what the psyop is.Right now all Twitter posts tell me "something went wrong" and they raised the limit once.I think the endgame is to get everyone to sign up, killing Nitter/scrapers, and forcing everyone to be on Twitter. They've been slowly nudging towards this by breaking search and NSFW posts for those who aren't logged in.
(DIR) Post #AXGxxEMsICXpL1tKiG by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2023-07-02T04:29:14.696072Z
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@PhenomX6 @zemichi >get everyone to sign up>drives an exodus and destroy the network effect instead
(DIR) Post #AXGyFaXWb5F9JbcuJ6 by zemichi@freespeechextremist.com
2023-07-02T04:32:36.886671Z
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@PhenomX6 I know the limit was increased. But I want to focus on the initial announcement.Saying that paid accounts (verified) have a rate limit attached to them is such a mistake. They're telling everyone that their paid accounts are worth less than twitter accounts before Elon, even worth less than the days of twitter jail.It's an incredible PR mistake... If it was a mistake. I should note we're close to election season. :backfromgab:Screenshot_20230701-155934-550.png
(DIR) Post #AXGyO80C4JUxPi6lw8 by PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com
2023-07-02T04:32:05.260516Z
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The idea is that people like my dad will sign up because he can't hear his MSNBC talking heads and Dan LeBatard mald on fedi or follow NPR/MSNBC/HuffPost on it.
(DIR) Post #AXGySJnm8i3JAUIWg4 by PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com
2023-07-02T04:34:53.448332Z
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That's nice and all but your favorite internet artist or TV talking head is on Twitter, not fedi. Whoops.
(DIR) Post #AXGytTI6xzKMPwR17Y by zemichi@freespeechextremist.com
2023-07-02T04:39:49.362371Z
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@hakui @PhenomX6 Guess who mentioned that plan? :backfromgab: Down to the CP claims too. They're saying that's also a reason for the rate limits. (Moderation backlog.)Screenshot_20230701-213815-960.png
(DIR) Post #AXGzW5Yt7rDi7EhDdo by zemichi@freespeechextremist.com
2023-07-02T04:46:48.092028Z
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@bot @hakui @PhenomX6 Here's your (you) :backfromgab:
(DIR) Post #AXGzddH0BYzShHvXjk by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2023-07-02T04:48:09.348917Z
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@PhenomX6 @zemichi b-but muh tucker carlson!!
(DIR) Post #AXGzqkyiqi26MJdRFw by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2023-07-02T04:50:31.777157Z
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@bot @PhenomX6 @zemichi hope the ones i follow stay and the others leave w
(DIR) Post #AXGzw9tJeRl94YgLq4 by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2023-07-02T04:51:30.456996Z
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@zemichi @bot @PhenomX6 :yousoro:
(DIR) Post #AXH0EtUKrSDXhZvoEC by PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com
2023-07-02T04:53:58.478406Z
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I just found the original post and I slightly disagree. I think their end goal with the decentralization shit is they want decentralized but centralized. Look at Bluesky and how the network architecture is "centralized" in a way. Look at how Eugen tries to corral people into a few instances that share his viewpoints and how they push blocklists. Aside from easily being monitored, it also allows them to control the flow of data. Look how Meta and Mozilla and others are getting in on the game, they want the same thing or similar goals, be it censorship or monitoring or both. They don't need to take over much to create an e-mail issue, especially if instances on the freer side have signups turned off. https://cfenollosa.com/blog/after-self-hosting-my-email-for-twenty-three-years-i-have-thrown-in-the-towel-the-oligopoly-has-won.html
(DIR) Post #AXH0MstcwjZKBMZUsC by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-02T04:56:16.746231Z
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@bot @PhenomX6 @zemichi @hakui >it sucks>posts 1000 posts a day
(DIR) Post #AXH0T5ZkiXQnFDEYqW by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-07-02T04:57:27.862301Z
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@PhenomX6 @hakui @zemichi niggers can't understand self-solving problems
(DIR) Post #AXH0bO5PmMASyG06Yi by Skoll3@nixnet.social
2023-07-02T04:58:57.129343Z
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@hakui @zemichi 6000 for paid accounts ain't that much either
(DIR) Post #AXH0kqlsUyKEXeNI6S by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2023-07-02T05:00:39Z
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@PhenomX6 @zemichi @hakui >especially if instances on the freer side have signups turned off.Are admins still paranoid after that Linder shitshow?
(DIR) Post #AXH0s1C88v8qte4WfI by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-02T05:01:56.520574Z
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@bot @PhenomX6 @zemichi @hakui i almost never post about linux
(DIR) Post #AXH1QT375R6R8EHUA4 by PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com
2023-07-02T05:00:29.517388Z
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As for the Tumblr thing, I'm going to link this too since you'll find this interesting as well and it might back up your theories:https://sreegs.tumblr.com/post/671649355334336512/alright-lets-talk-about-apple-and-tumblrsThis has a Tumblr employee POV on the porn ban. Aside from the fact that Verizon likely didn't give a shit about what they had just realized they bought, there was the elephant in the room of Apple using their clout to force Tumblr to do what Apple wanted. Aside from Apple not exactly liking Tumblr, Apple was clearly giving Insta/Twitter preferential treatment. The current Tumblr CEO also made a post sounding a lot like Joshua Connor Moon on why he can't have porn on his site anymore, blaming the same exact people as well (while also focusing more on IRL porn and not drawings, which were a big chunk of what made Tumblr big):https://www.tumblr.com/photomatt/696629352701493248/why-go-nuts-show-nuts-doesnt-work-in-2022
(DIR) Post #AXH1Zu7xmPZxig37RI by PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com
2023-07-02T05:09:51.949690Z
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I should add too, Verizon's Yahoo/AOL buyout was as much of a fucking disaster as when AOL was bought and sold off by Warner, if not bigger.https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/04/verizon-tries-to-sell-yahoo-and-aol-after-spending-9-billion-on-fallen-giants/https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/01/apollo-completes-its-5b-acquisition-of-verizon-media-now-known-as-yahoo/They spent 9 billion, and sold for 5 billion. That's even worse than buying for 1 billion and selling for a few million. Verizon clearly bought AOL and Yahoo for the news/media sites (including HuffPo), and did not give a shit about anything else since while also under Verizon, AIM and Yahoo IM were shut down, along with infamously killing Yahoo Answers and Yahoo Groups (killing many old pages online). They spun off Flickr as well and obviously Tumblr. They absolutely assfucked part of the internet and did not give a shit and Tumblr was just one example of this.
(DIR) Post #AXH2diYyojSExy4Izo by PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com
2023-07-02T05:21:39.278097Z
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There’s probably a lot more on the Tumblr porn ban and Yahoo/Verizon out there, but my theory with the Tumblr porn ban (from what I know about the tech industry and what I saw firsthand from being closer to that circle online) comes down to this:Yahoo buys Tumblr, doesn’t do too much with it, people get worried at first but it goes back to business as usual.During this time, Tumblr also happens to allow IRL porn, which as the Pornhub scandal would show is a lot riskier than drawings only. Verizon buys Yahoo and AOL for advertising and news sites. Verizon also happens to buy Tumblr as a result, and Apple kicks them off the app store after finding CP and whatnot, wants them to ban all porn.Tumblr didn’t exactly have a good porn flagging algorithm since unlike Android, iOS explicitly bans NSFW. You may notice Twitter has gotten stricter on NSFW since then as well.Verizon presumably decides to ban porn because they want to wash their hands of this all, has no regard about what it did to the health of the internet because profits.Tumblr refugees shit up the internet since their containment site broke and they’re too dumb to make a site like Pillowfort (which constantly has exploits LMAO). I’m sure if Verizon actually gave a shit about the other sites they bought with Yahoo and didn’t also spin off flickr and kill Yahoo Answers and Groups at the same time, they might have tried harder to keep the site up. They just wanted the issue to go away.
(DIR) Post #AXH8ELvkQaF7G10RgO by leo@social.synergetic-design.com
2023-07-02T06:24:22Z
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@PhenomX6 @zemichi @hakui Embrace, extend and extinguish. The usual stuff.
(DIR) Post #AXHNQ65qdNRwvWmxiC by Ash@awoo.fyi
2023-07-02T09:14:35.252770Z
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> I’m sure if Verizon actually gave a shit about the other sites they bought with Yahoo and didn’t also spin off flickrWhen they got Flickr, they basically started imposing limits on free accounts, so much so that the photography community has left it entirely.Imagine being on a social network that limits free accounts to 1,000 posts. That's what Flickr did and still does.
(DIR) Post #AXHPR6tnKAJhchlHX6 by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2023-07-02T09:37:13.351461Z
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@meowski @bot @PhenomX6 @zemichi >thousands of hours logged>does not recommend this game
(DIR) Post #AXHPWJqmbApREtpwBM by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2023-07-02T09:38:09.807908Z
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@Skoll3 @zemichi yes the 6000 limit is after the pikachu dot png
(DIR) Post #AXHPsqFsnaNw70Jh7Q by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2023-07-02T09:42:08.390917Z
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@hakui I've lived for decades and I wouldn't recommend living.
(DIR) Post #AXHPyIms91bi3CLoSu by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2023-07-02T09:43:12.598255Z
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@Suiseiseki wacalu
(DIR) Post #AXHT3FizG61frWaNZg by birdulon@shpposter.club
2023-07-02T10:17:42.414822Z
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@hakui @zemichi @Skoll3 6000/day is over 4/minute. 10000/day is nearly 7/minute, approaching 1 post per second if you spend 3 hours/day on twitter. Maybe I'm out of touch but that seems like terminally-online numbers to actually read daily and why wouldn't someone that deranged pay for two premium accounts instead of one.
(DIR) Post #AXHW5Ww2XbMLgJT82S by laurel@freespeechextremist.com
2023-07-02T10:51:46.064638Z
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@zemichi Twitter and Reddit are only valuable so long as they can control their users' opinions. Quality posters along with whole communities were banned for meddling with the websites being turned into efficient brainwashing machines.After pushing very hard for the past few years they can no longer perform that function.Still, they gotta monetize somehow. Nobody would care if gabai did this, that's where twitter/reddit is at this point from a value point of view.
(DIR) Post #AXHYqhtrn6gDCv4kbY by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2023-07-02T11:22:38.516662Z
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@birdulon @Skoll3 @zemichi 60% of the posts they show you aren't even from people you follow, they're algo-bumped posts from randosso the real number of posts you actually get to see is even less
(DIR) Post #AXHYuvuddQyNpBS4BM by birdulon@shpposter.club
2023-07-02T11:23:25.630953Z
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@hakui @zemichi @Skoll3 Yeah but that's still a ridiculous amount of posts to even be skimming daily
(DIR) Post #AXHZMXAlD9W1Cf9bMG by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2023-07-02T11:28:26.345400Z
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@birdulon @Skoll3 @zemichi gotta press the lever, the food pellet surely will come out this time
(DIR) Post #AXHZQtTYEMyXX81Q8G by birdulon@shpposter.club
2023-07-02T11:29:12.795035Z
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@hakui @zemichi @Skoll3 I prefer the water lever
(DIR) Post #AXHa26AW09Wlc9rIFk by benis@cawfee.club
2023-07-02T11:35:55.719565Z
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@hakui @zemichi @Skoll3 @birdulon the food pellet was replaced with an electric shock years ago and nobody noticed
(DIR) Post #AXHaAgQB6CA4MnHJWi by zemichi@freespeechextremist.com
2023-07-02T11:37:31.143310Z
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@birdulon @hakui @Skoll3 >terminally-online numbersNote that if you're agreeing that some things are too much for people A LOT of things are unnecessary for people.You don't need access to your phone 24/7You don't need unlimited internet because you can't fit unlimited within a dayIt's like the super size me movie scam:-Make a movie about eating McDonald's every day-Get sick-Conveniently hide other information to prove you pointThis results in less food offered to you by McDonald's because they're combating "obesity" and they offer you a shitty salad alternative.What should be said is "there are times when I need that much". Do I need a big Mac with a bunch of fries every day? No, but when I want one it better be there. :backfromgab:
(DIR) Post #AXHand69O65lM1Tv60 by mrsaturday@shitposter.club
2023-07-02T11:44:29.747584Z
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@PhenomX6 @zemichi @hakui Dan LeBatard's best trait is his dadThe guy's a pinhead but his dad was at least funny and made their crappy ESPN show watchable
(DIR) Post #AXHawXHEOswbuEuZ0K by birdulon@shpposter.club
2023-07-02T11:46:08.310462Z
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@zemichi @Skoll3 @hakui They spitballed a number for "this is obviously automated scraping and/or a subscription being shared by several people"The action is coherent with their stated goal regardless of if you agree with it
(DIR) Post #AXHfzrLUk0wamuJGee by zemichi@freespeechextremist.com
2023-07-02T12:42:47.571394Z
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@birdulon @Skoll3 @hakui >The action is coherent with their stated goal regardless of if you agree with itIt's not coherent :backfromgab: I don't need evidence to say that because they haven't provided evidence that this is needed.
(DIR) Post #AXHgPdM7NUwivatKU4 by birdulon@shpposter.club
2023-07-02T12:47:25.207491Z
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@zemichi @Skoll3 @hakui If you're suggesting that throttling requests with daily caps isn't coherent with wanting to stop unmonetized scraping, we're not speaking the same language and I have nothing more to say to you.
(DIR) Post #AXHggIMsfALYl6C1aa by apropos@freespeechextremist.com
2023-07-02T12:50:27.727036Z
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@birdulon @zemichi @Skoll3 @hakui restricting the site to authenticated users already gives them a chart that they can pull up of "top requests/user", and they can start banning suspected scrapers from that, and from running down that list they would immediately get into the weeds of how much people actually use the site, and never do something like break the ability of someone to read the comments on their own posts.
(DIR) Post #AXHhNNQ5kwycsXEnvE by birdulon@shpposter.club
2023-07-02T12:58:12.681072Z
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@apropos @zemichi @Skoll3 @hakui the low cap on free accounts is a pretty transparent attempt to get addicts to cough up moneyperhaps Reddit CEO will take notes
(DIR) Post #AXHhuIL1feeQfrZ4t6 by apropos@freespeechextremist.com
2023-07-02T13:04:11.838187Z
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@birdulon @Skoll3 @hakui @zemichi and, the conflict here is not of language. Suppose you read>I'm going to kill you, in real life, at your home in LA.you: this is a clear death threat! I'm in danger!zemichi: this is Sam Hyde speaking like an oirishman after winning a boxing matchyou're speaking the same language, and you understand the words the same, but one of you has a more accurate context for the words.In this case you're taking the proposed limits and considering them isolation with this scraper problem. The limits clearly address the problem. The end.But in context with the immediately previous decision the limits already more disputable. To be clear, I think Elon's expectation is that he'll add an additional lower limit for unauthorized viewers and open the site back after iterating on these numbers and seeing how bad they are. And especially after making the limit more flexible than "per day". For Elon, an emergency lever was pulled with closing the site down for unauthorized users, and further decisions are being made in the context of that emergency and so Elon probably did not realize how extremely disruptive it is for him to experimentally arrive at reasonable limits while his actual paying customers are unable even to scroll through the comments on his announcement about them. Any captain of a ship would not want to hear from guests upset about dinner times, when the ship just hit a rock and is taking on water.zemichi probably has much more than the immediately previous decision in context.
(DIR) Post #AXHiDEOUYizfwaDQHY by birdulon@shpposter.club
2023-07-02T13:07:34.586156Z
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@apropos @zemichi @Skoll3 @hakui This is the second wall of text I've received for daring to say that only being able to view 10k tweets per day is not going to impede an actual user.
(DIR) Post #AXHiUlq3SxuyaqTHeq by apropos@freespeechextremist.com
2023-07-02T13:10:47.362441Z
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@birdulon @Skoll3 @hakui @zemichi >wall of textI'll block you to save you from those.
(DIR) Post #AXHlk8QC5MbGq5OQCW by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2023-07-02T13:47:09.841085Z
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@birdulon @Skoll3 @zemichi oh same
(DIR) Post #AXIA3LsweLAczwXND6 by zemichi@freespeechextremist.com
2023-07-02T18:19:34.494116Z
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@birdulon @apropos @Skoll3 @hakui >for daring to say that only being able to view 10k tweets per day is not going to impede an actual user.Limit = someone will hit the limitWho is that someone?What happens to that someone after hitting that limit?Will the limit change?Answer: doesn't matter, a new problem now exists because there's a limit.You're going small brain maneuver by taking the reason at face value. Your brain has already coped with the circumstances without evidence. :backfromgab:
(DIR) Post #AXIghT6YQLzPVP4kzo by birdulon@shpposter.club
2023-07-03T00:25:19.989892Z
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@zemichi @apropos @Skoll3 @hakui You are operating under a different set of definitions for words than I. If you think that I think that Elon has no other motives in these actions, I don't think that. He could have any number of ulterior motives and the paid post viewing limit would still be coherent, logical, consistent, in line with, in phase with, a stated goal of halting unmonetised scraping.It doesn't matter if anyone thinks there are better or less-disruptive strategies for this any more than someone walking to the bathroom is not coherent with wanting to take a piss because they could have instead run to a nearby tree.
(DIR) Post #AXIhOPjapYvlVLoWQK by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2023-07-03T00:33:07.639148Z
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@birdulon @zemichi @Skoll3 @apropos basically you're saying there's a fake reason and a real reason, you're just pointing out that the actions taken sufficiently fits the context of the fake reason so normalfags just take it and don't think further about the real reason
(DIR) Post #AXIjGfuT0UUpGOKz5s by birdulon@shpposter.club
2023-07-03T00:54:07.369118Z
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@hakui @apropos @zemichi @Skoll3 I'm saying that it follows. I'm also separately saying that I don't believe 10k posts/day is very reachable in good faith regardless of there being no issue with unlimited unpaid viewing a few days ago.It's like if YouTube or whatever was selling personal viewing plans and allowed 70h/day of video content to be served, as wiggle room for wasted buffering and a bit of 2x speed viewing. "It needs to be there when I want to do it" ok but what are you doing to hit that rather high limit and why do you think it doesn't conflict with one or more of the unenforceable lines in the small print. I personally have downloaded much more than 70 hours of video content off of youtube in 24 hour periods many times, I know what I'm doing when I do that and I don't need to pretend that it's something a hypothetical "personal viewing plan" would need to allow just because a bit of money was involved.
(DIR) Post #AXIkTXOk43JYaFCC7E by birdulon@shpposter.club
2023-07-03T01:07:39.374265Z
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@hakui @Skoll3 @apropos @zemichi Or in other words just because this limit is part of a much larger power grab, it doesn't mean we need to pretend it's individually unreasonable. It's just wasting energy arguing over the least sympathetic angle when everyone involved has no love for the bigger picture and probably little to no division on it.