Post AXFtkP0ynpB7cTJllg by wolfpld@mastodon.gamedev.place
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 (DIR) Post #AXFtkP0ynpB7cTJllg by wolfpld@mastodon.gamedev.place
       2023-07-01T10:04:03Z
       
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       @ocornut EU cookie law is not the problem. You don't need to ask for consent for essential cookies, like the ones that store your login session ID or the shopping cart in a web store.Every time you see the cookie popup, it's about selling your browsing data to third parties.We see these popups everywhere and the reasoning is "the EU did something stupid", but it's the opposite. They caught the thieves red-handed."We value your privacy." Yeah, no shit. By putting a monetary value on it.
       
 (DIR) Post #AXHD2FlQ1qX0QaDzrU by Migueldeicaza@mastodon.social
       2023-07-01T10:23:14Z
       
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       @wolfpld @ocornut thanks.  I didn’t realize this.Tapping deny from now on.  I was tapping accept purely on the grounds of “well this will break otherwise”
       
 (DIR) Post #AXHD2GQtXdhyVDd7Vg by reedmideke@mastodon.social
       2023-07-02T01:44:15Z
       
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       @Migueldeicaza @wolfpld @ocornut IANAL, but I don't think that description is fully accurate. If you collect / track personal information, you need consent even if you aren't selling the information, and boundaries are often unclear. You'll notice a lot of EU government sites have those popups despite not selling your info. For example ESA has one, and describes what they use here https://www.esa.int/Services/Cookies_notice
       
 (DIR) Post #AXHD2HRdmLtndozEJM by alexelcu@social.alexn.org
       2023-07-02T07:18:12Z
       
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       @reedmideke The only reason analytics needs cookies is for tracking visitor profiles across visits. Visitor profiling is creepy af regardless of the motives behind it, and the reason for why even respectable orgs are doing it is because it was normalized.The ESP should disable that tracking cookie (and related fingerprinting) in their Matomo setup, as they don't actually need it for anything. @Migueldeicaza @wolfpld @ocornut
       
 (DIR) Post #AXHWUyUzCHL4PMwnx2 by danstewart_@fosstodon.org
       2023-07-02T09:35:42Z
       
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       @wolfpld @alexelcu @ocornut A few people have already pointed out that you need the cookie notice to collect data you don’t sell, but you also need the cookie notice for cookies that aren’t essential but may improve user experience.I’m not a lawyer so I might be wrong but when I last looked at this we decided to play it safe and if a user opts out it disables some nice-to-have but non-essential functionality.
       
 (DIR) Post #AXHWUzvbsmEIqEPa5Y by alexelcu@social.alexn.org
       2023-07-02T10:56:17Z
       
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       @danstewart_ In theory, yes, but can you provide examples that aren't creepy analytics doing visitor profiling?I'm asking because you don't need cookie notices for any functionality that visitors *expect*.@wolfpld @ocornut
       
 (DIR) Post #AXHWV0uwClHnuR6YgC by danstewart_@fosstodon.org
       2023-07-02T09:39:27Z
       
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       @wolfpld @alexelcu @ocornut Though worth noting if you use @plausible you can collect analytics without cookie opt-in, so in my case opting out of cookies only disables some unnecessary functionality, but not analytics.Though I’m sure we’re an outlier.https://plausible.io/data-policy#how-we-count-unique-users-without-cookies
       
 (DIR) Post #AXHXgAvpPbD66kPJp2 by danstewart_@fosstodon.org
       2023-07-02T11:09:30Z
       
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       @alexelcu @wolfpld @ocornut It’s been a while since I looked into this but it was my understanding that the law differentiates between essential cookies that are necessary for the site to function and cookies that improve user experience but won’t break the site if disabled.In my case, an example of a cookie which we decided was non-essential was remembering a users last search on a form. Nice to have but not essential.
       
 (DIR) Post #AXHXvkrI7RYrsPiKrg by danstewart_@fosstodon.org
       2023-07-02T11:12:19Z
       
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       @alexelcu @wolfpld @ocornut Just checked our cookie policy that I wrote at the time and I referred to them as “Necessary Cookies” and “Functionality Cookies”. I’m sure I would have taken that wording from somewhere else.