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(DIR) Post #AXBzXccQjZrj8jHgki by eighthave@social.librem.one
2023-06-29T18:53:29Z
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I like #Matrix and #Signal both for group communications, but there are still many things that #email does much better. For example, I often want to quickly preview a message to see if I want to deal with it now. If not, then I leave it marked unread. Not possible all the messenger apps I've tried. That leads to slower response times because I won't open messages until I'm fully ready to deal with something more complicated. Maybe #DeltaChat is the best direction for the long term.
(DIR) Post #AXBzmZMX7ixNNryaAq by vitriolix@mastodon.social
2023-06-29T18:56:08Z
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@eighthave That's a big part of my workflow too, the only one I know of that does that (also let's you snooze messages to alert you later) is slack. Really need that in Signal & Element. I don't know Delta though, does it have this? what a strange idea
(DIR) Post #AXBzt1S1bV1SEjccGe by cobratbq@mastodon.social
2023-06-29T18:57:21Z
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@eighthave from what I understand about DeltaChat is that it prioritizes message delivery, so it isn't clear to me under what circumstances it might drop the confidentiality 'because of ...' Like .. unless the UI is really clear about this, you might run into this at surprising moment and get caught off guard. (I intentionally do not discuss other security properties)
(DIR) Post #AXC0GdjLRqlBcOz7WC by eighthave@social.librem.one
2023-06-29T19:01:36Z
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@vitriolix I didn't know #Slack did that. I find Slack's UX to be over-complicated and put too much emphasis on emojis. But I also haven't used it that much. I worry about #Matrix going too much in that direction, but I would like to at least try a "preview then mark unread" UX in Matrix.
(DIR) Post #AXC0ieFd6c5NLFRPrE by eighthave@social.librem.one
2023-06-29T19:06:39Z
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@cobratbq I wasn't talking about confidentiality, I was talking about tracking unread messages. Or is there something I'm missing?
(DIR) Post #AXC1TQYhpaTSUCfbDE by cobratbq@mastodon.social
2023-06-29T19:15:08Z
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@eighthave maybe, I guess it depends on what you consider relevant. So, assuming that in terms of security props DeltaChat does everything you need, i.e. we ignore that side of the argument, last I checked, DeltaChat uses the best-effort encryption with their various defined levels.It's like, if "we" think all circumstances are right, we will provide the confidentiality. Otherwise we will just send the message as-is, so there at least is delivery. For example, [..]
(DIR) Post #AXC4JPTfIQZE6DE8gK by cherti@chaos.social
2023-06-29T19:46:56Z
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@eighthave At least on Android Signal does allow you to mark a thread as unread. I do use that quite a bit if I want to follow up on things, especially combined with the "only show unread" filter.
(DIR) Post #AXC4LXykevrj2qmpSi by cherti@chaos.social
2023-06-29T19:47:20Z
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@eighthave At least on Android Signal does allow you to mark a thread as unread. I do use that quite a bit if I want to follow up on things, especially combined with the "only show unread" filter. I find it pretty useful 😄
(DIR) Post #AXC4YloUXAt7iUIDJY by cherti@chaos.social
2023-06-29T19:49:42Z
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@eighthave At least on Android Signal does allow you to mark a thread as unread. I do use that quite a bit if I want to follow up on things, especially combined with the "only show unread" filter. I find it pretty useful 😄@vitriolix
(DIR) Post #AXDLSP8doqGk25ECB6 by delta@chaos.social
2023-06-30T10:33:43Z
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@eighthave Curious, how would you suppose Delta Chat could implement "mark-unread" in its UIs? Some of us recognize the use case underlying mark-unread (and use it on regular MUAs) but for a messenger-UX it's not easy to implement "mark-unread" -- maybe there is something better like marking a message with "todo" and having such marked messages appear in a special "todo" chat, and clicking them transfers you back to the chat-context of the message?
(DIR) Post #AXF9Hh9NhUWlZncYPg by Jamilla@swiss.social
2023-07-01T07:26:47Z
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@eighthave Only use the most secure Messenger....Check:https://securemessagingapps.comand rate the security 🟩=3 🟨=1 🟥=0Results: 1. Threema = 85 = WINNER2. Session = 793. Signal = 774. Wire = 705. Wickr (Amazon) = 626. Element / Matrix = 597. WhatsApp = 348. Telegram = 299. Apple iMessage = 2510. Facebook Messenger = 25
(DIR) Post #AXFc6I9LD2UrWWW6RU by eighthave@social.librem.one
2023-07-01T12:49:41Z
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@delta Has anyone tried just adding a "mark unread" to a messenger UX? Seems worth trying. Like just long-press message, and choose "mark unread". I could see it also implemented something like "reset unread position to this point".
(DIR) Post #AXFkLQrht1d2X100Gm by keverets@social.librem.one
2023-07-01T14:22:04Z
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@eighthave @delta as much as I dislike Slack, they do this. Alt-click on web, long-press on mobile, then "Mark unread". It moves the "unread" line to just above the selected message in the chat/thread
(DIR) Post #AXFlU9eXLpaHhzYu24 by delta@chaos.social
2023-07-01T14:34:48Z
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@eighthave not easily possible to "just mark unread": usually all messages displayed on screen are marked as read. If you mark-unread a message then for how long would this mark remain? Would the message remain unread if looking at the message/chat another time? If so how would you get rid of unread-state? These complications are probably why no messenger has "just" implemented mark-unread.