Post AXBttEBLfeBLzpXJUe by nCrazed@fd00.space
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(DIR) Post #AXBpxlVzHYVSia69S4 by nCrazed@fd00.space
2023-06-29T16:55:20Z
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@neil @privacat have you looked at DocuSign? If yes, what did you think of it.Full disclosure: I am currently being paid to work on integrating it into another service, but don't really have any strong feelings either way.Just curious what it's like from (potential) user viewpoint
(DIR) Post #AXBpxmYVPg7BwgHg12 by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2023-06-29T17:06:06Z
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@nCrazed @neil @privacat As an occasional recipient of things to sign, I like the convenience of DocuSign, but I can't but wonder how it can possibly be legally binding. Anyone could have intercepted the email with the link.
(DIR) Post #AXBqCe1lP1lDq83XzE by nCrazed@fd00.space
2023-06-29T17:08:49Z
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@mansr @neil @privacat I've always had similar questions regarding validity of screenshots as evidence...
(DIR) Post #AXBqJshPFhGTN0z85o by privacat@dataprotection.social
2023-06-29T17:10:03Z
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@mansrVarious laws in most countries have acknowledged that esignatures are as legally valid as wet signatures. Nothing stops forgery, and if someone wants to forge an agreement they can do so (usually easily) regardless if the agreement is mailed or emailed. @nCrazed @neil
(DIR) Post #AXBqWPrtkuKxiYryoy by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2023-06-29T17:12:25Z
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@nCrazed @neil @privacat Yes, that too.
(DIR) Post #AXBqoY7hnoqIX4uTVg by nCrazed@fd00.space
2023-06-29T17:15:39Z
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@mansr @neil @privacat at least I don't use light mode... here anyway đź‘€
(DIR) Post #AXBqpK0xkByB447lfE by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2023-06-29T17:15:47Z
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@privacat @nCrazed @neil The fact that traditional paper signatures are easily forged is hardly an excuse to accept yet another method that is even easier to fake.
(DIR) Post #AXBrUAnku1TAMcQUFM by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2023-06-29T17:23:11Z
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@neil @nCrazed @privacat Wouldn't a written signature have to at least somewhat resemble the real one in order to survive mild scrutiny?Yes, I used to "sign" credit card slips with a wavy line back in the day.
(DIR) Post #AXBsd5evUW1kyX71RQ by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2023-06-29T17:36:01Z
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@neil @nCrazed @privacat Sure, but if I wanted to challenge a signature that was supposedly mine, wouldn't it help at least a little to show other documents signed by me with a different-looking signature?
(DIR) Post #AXBtAI4GNR7d14nJei by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2023-06-29T17:42:01Z
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@neil @nCrazed @privacat That would of course also be a possibility.
(DIR) Post #AXBttEBLfeBLzpXJUe by nCrazed@fd00.space
2023-06-29T17:46:04Z
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@neil @mansr @privacat that's the part that had me confused when I first realized that in most contexts your signature is accepted as is without any additional verification
(DIR) Post #AXBttF16ZDaAaLkeAK by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2023-06-29T17:50:08Z
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@nCrazed @neil @privacat Isn't verification the reason you're supposed to sign credit cards and why traveller's cheques have (had?) two signature fields? For most things, though, any squiggle seems to be accepted without question.
(DIR) Post #AXBxRbhL2r5QdcaHku by privacat@dataprotection.social
2023-06-29T18:29:57Z
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@mansrOh man, nothing will disabuse you of quaint notions like consistency and resemblance, quite like reading a bunch of contracts and wills, trusts and estates cases. We have literal centuries of cases arguing over these issues. @neil @nCrazed
(DIR) Post #AXBxlAuOMDGtLN1L0a by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2023-06-29T18:33:30Z
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@privacat @neil @nCrazed Oh, for that I need only look at my own excuse for a signature.
(DIR) Post #AXBzS7fUNehDhT5og4 by revk@toot.me.uk
2023-06-29T17:35:35Z
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@nCrazed @mansr @neil @privacat and weird things unlike “wet signatures”…Like all my PGP signed stuff is definitely me…Until.“Oh shit I just found my private key was compromised 7 months ago, so you cannot now, retrospectively, trust any signatures since then”.That is not a “wet signature” thing, AFAIK.
(DIR) Post #AXBzS8Nniu8putpCkK by privacat@dataprotection.social
2023-06-29T18:32:15Z
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@revkNo, but 'omg, I just discovered that the signature purportedly from me divesting my inheritance to my uncle Clyde 3 years ago was forged by uncle Clyde' goes back for ages.@nCrazed @mansr @neil
(DIR) Post #AXBzS94LAkAY2pjB3I by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2023-06-29T18:52:20Z
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@privacat @revk @nCrazed @neil I recall an incident in school wherein the headteacher was discovered to have "forged" the science teacher's signature on some document by simply writing his name in her regular handwriting. Everyone who saw it agreed it was definitely her writing, not his. The document wasn't in any way controversial, so she could have simply asked him to sign it, but they had some kind feud going on. It was all very silly.