Post AXBJF6L7oQKDjyfynQ by helge@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AXBIK2BCbgAcKep68G by Migueldeicaza@mastodon.social
2023-06-29T08:08:44Z
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Red Hat is happy to take your code and distribute it, first with minimal changes, and perhaps with more changes over time.But if you do it, you are a leech.Love that the Brodie here goes into gatekeeping what is considered a contribution:https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hats-commitment-open-source-response-gitcentosorg-changes
(DIR) Post #AXBIK2zXaWR6qmNIau by Migueldeicaza@mastodon.social
2023-06-29T10:29:55Z
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This is Red Hat’s Reddit moment: how dare people other than us benefit from the free labor that we have packaged.
(DIR) Post #AXBJ4tlTi8HtqP8aUS by drahardja@sfba.social
2023-06-29T08:39:08Z
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@Migueldeicaza I suppose this is yet another data point supporting the idea that Open Source Software in a world of capitalism can only exist as a pastime for the already-rich. Only companies extracting profit from *something else* can afford to maintain OSS. Only individuals paid for *something else* can contribute significant time to OSS projects in their spare time.It’s a precarious thing to profit *directly* from maintaining OSS and selling it as a service, precisely because someone else can copy and repackage your work for less money—which is entirely within the spirit of OSS—and undercut your business model. A business truly in the spirit of GPL would celebrate such a copy; but a business that must profit from their work on OSS would see it as theft of their livelihood.
(DIR) Post #AXBJ8yYRqPC1rFzFo0 by sinbad@mastodon.gamedev.place
2023-06-29T08:53:42Z
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@Migueldeicaza seems like a really weird hill to die on, given that the sorts of people who pay you money in open source are usually the ones who do so more to dot the i’s and cross the t’s on support than specifically what code they have access to. Why piss off the people who don’t do that anyway, but whose primary value is in the goodwill they generate? Especially as the code is still available anyway, just with more effort than before, if I understand correctly
(DIR) Post #AXBJ8zOYiesQSsMs1w by Migueldeicaza@mastodon.social
2023-06-29T10:34:08Z
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@sinbad I suspect the answer is crass: the bonus of the entire group that passed this decision is tied to revenue growth and they can’t do that with OSS so they are pulling this.It is a denial of service on the community. Like paying a 1,000 bill with cents.
(DIR) Post #AXBJF6L7oQKDjyfynQ by helge@mastodon.social
2023-06-29T10:48:34Z
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@Migueldeicaza Spoken like a real Ximian 😬
(DIR) Post #AXBJF7IgEzxoigXXcm by Migueldeicaza@mastodon.social
2023-06-29T10:52:41Z
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@helge did I ever tell you our ximian story with red hat?
(DIR) Post #AXBJIgNyFcVgP5iO3M by hbons@mastodon.social
2023-06-29T10:44:36Z
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@Migueldeicaza the year is 2026. customers may now send a letter to request the source code and Red Hat will fax it to them.
(DIR) Post #AXBJLWT1aH82VjQuMi by Saad@sigmoid.social
2023-06-29T09:18:49Z
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@drahardja @Migueldeicaza Some astute observations. I would also add that probably is the reason why don’t see many firms in the form of Redhat existing selling support on OSS. It is too precarious and they don’t have the first mover advantage that Redhat itself had.
(DIR) Post #AXBhr4y1lH39O6Vxaq by Migueldeicaza@mastodon.social
2023-06-29T14:07:19Z
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If you had the misfortune of reading the replies to my post, enjoy an explanation without corporate speak.While the authors of this post need to walk a fine line to attempt to salvage their efforts, I have no stakes on this, and can tell you in black and white the answer to the last question is: yes, IBM and Red Hat are doing this to eliminate their competitors and extract more money from the market. Time to pay rent:https://almalinux.org/blog/impact-of-rhel-changes/
(DIR) Post #AXBhr6kH9NEou260R6 by Migueldeicaza@mastodon.social
2023-06-29T14:55:02Z
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The greatest trick the devil pulled was convincing the world that IBM was better than Oracle for open source communities.
(DIR) Post #AXDihyyj99BMThzJVA by aruiz@mastodon.social
2023-06-29T15:11:44Z
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As I have been both a Red Hat and a Sun employee during both transitions. I can't state how far from the truth your statement is.Red Hat is still the same legal entity, with a very similar management chain with the exception of Jim W. not being in the picture and Paul taking a step aside as CEO.Oracle announced major scrapping on day 0.
(DIR) Post #AXDihzcmkDE0TwjIwK by Migueldeicaza@mastodon.social
2023-06-30T02:30:55Z
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@aruiz what Balmer’s Microsoft couldn’t do, IBM did: found a GPL loophole to enshitify Linux.Doesn’t matter that they are separate entities, executives get their bonuses set by IBM chain of command.Their job is to launder their shit strategy to be palatable to customer and employees. As we can clearly see in this illustration, they clearly succeeded with one group.
(DIR) Post #AXDii0VNTEtTDGGu24 by aruiz@mastodon.social
2023-06-30T11:47:10Z
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@Migueldeicaza is boycottibm.com taken?
(DIR) Post #AXDii0g0phOtkFFObo by aruiz@mastodon.social
2023-06-29T15:12:20Z
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But hey, don't let get facts in the way of today's punching bag of choice!
(DIR) Post #AXDii1F6jDTPV5fQJM by Migueldeicaza@mastodon.social
2023-06-30T11:50:15Z
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@aruiz nice deflection - you are taking this too personally, and you are defending shitheads that will fire you in an instant if they need to make their numbers.This is both bad short term, and it is legitimizing a nasty attack on free software. Unless you got your wealth tied to their stock, I don’t see how you would support this.
(DIR) Post #AXDii1r2SBoZOjPiQy by aruiz@mastodon.social
2023-06-30T11:58:48Z
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@Migueldeicaza I wouldn't support what you claim we're doing though, engineering teams are mandated to push every change upstream and each new RHEL change is here sooner or later:https://gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream/rpms
(DIR) Post #AXDii2fjPiMdvx8CRs by Migueldeicaza@mastodon.social
2023-06-30T12:04:48Z
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@aruiz it doesn’t matter that the changes get there. It matters that this is not identical. I am sure you are not stupid and you know the difference fully - if not, read reddit or the replies.And it matters that this is a nasty contractual land grab.
(DIR) Post #AXDii3ETKY9ZfhNwbA by aruiz@mastodon.social
2023-06-30T12:10:40Z
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@Migueldeicaza I am afraid that you are moving the goalpost here, I am okay to going back to exact binaries, but you accused Red Hat of violating the GPL, how is making modifications (copyleft or otherwise) publicly available a violation of the GPL or the commons at large?
(DIR) Post #AXDii3gTeQYT4YUJFY by aruiz@mastodon.social
2023-06-30T12:00:41Z
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@Migueldeicaza I've quit Canonical, Sun and Amazon in large part because I am physically incapable of withstanding bullshit towards upstreams and/or because I don't like being treated like a fool or pushed to treat others like cattlegimme some credit here
(DIR) Post #AXDii3royFd3djnMvo by Migueldeicaza@mastodon.social
2023-06-30T12:49:44Z
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@aruiz i didnt accuse them of violating the GPL. They found an effective contractual loophole to torpedo the community. It creates a two-tiered world, of which this is just the beginning.Hence the “what Steve Ballmer’s Microsoft couldn’t accomplish, Red Hat did”
(DIR) Post #AXDii59aBhQld774Fs by aruiz@mastodon.social
2023-06-30T14:38:46Z
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@Migueldeicaza honest question, how is this torpedoing the community?
(DIR) Post #AXDii5rtWwsNqXqSK8 by miah@hachyderm.io
2023-06-30T14:51:32Z
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@aruiz @Migueldeicaza this one action is a torpedo of drastic consequences for the EL community. If there is such a thing as "Enterprise Linux" apart from RHEL. If EL was something that as a community we agreed upon and built together rather than having to follow RH's lead. Redhats dominance in EL means we have to follow, now RH effectively owns the design and structure (bug for bug).RH, SuSE, Alma, Rocky, CentOS should be working together cooperatively on what EL means and looks like.