Post AXAHebKTKxns1fRUC8 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
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(DIR) Post #AXAFvFn2TNm8EncJdY by nyx@social.xenofem.me
2023-06-28T22:47:09.633816Z
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why am I tagged in some stupid thread about android and iOS. they both fucking suck but people who think android is a good OS are delusional (t. LineageOS user)
(DIR) Post #AXAG6IFjel9P3sItKS by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-06-28T22:49:06.445270Z
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@nyx And true linux mobile is eeeeeh…smartphones sucks anyway.
(DIR) Post #AXAGCDG78WWDJKIsN6 by w@arachnid.town
2023-06-28T22:49:49.987721Z
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@nyx Imagine if we had this:
(DIR) Post #AXAGWbnTc8FhCpdMrQ by nyx@social.xenofem.me
2023-06-28T22:53:57.797921Z
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@lanodan mobile Linux is a joke. wish it was even sorta decent but at the moment I can't imagine what it could possibly be useful for since it very much feels like the Linux desktop (which itself is already trash) crammed into the form factor of a smartphone and also poorly optimized for the hardware it runs
(DIR) Post #AXAGaIxJbjBpvezxUO by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-06-28T22:54:30.742735Z
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@w @nyx Bleh specially when you compare it to how comfy Maemo/SailfishOS is to use with a touchscreen.
(DIR) Post #AXAGiA6iOD4knq8qFk by w@arachnid.town
2023-06-28T22:55:37.497455Z
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@nyx @lanodan Also it's missing the security features of Android. Linux desktop security, which the phones inherit, is absolute dogshit.
(DIR) Post #AXAGlvlXeXB5Tw2Ejo by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-06-28T22:56:36.103739Z
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@nyx That's thanks to the annoying NIH people from Gnome / Purism which just decided to throw away everything learned from Maemo/SailfishOS but also recent android.If I wanted to use a Psion Palm I would use a Psion Palm.
(DIR) Post #AXAGmOz11WBe67YuGW by nyx@social.xenofem.me
2023-06-28T22:56:41.130420Z
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@w huh, I've never even heard of Inferno being ported to android but that isn't surprising considering it's all meant to be portable with the Dis VM
(DIR) Post #AXAGtwkfs2nCrAS3t2 by w@arachnid.town
2023-06-28T22:57:45.918298Z
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@nyx Yeah, it's kinda insane how far people go with porting. Inferno runs on the fucking DS.
(DIR) Post #AXAH7aB8at2qtwKcwy by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-06-28T23:00:30.080571Z
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@w @nyx True but well android is pretty hacky in terms of how it does security. It does it right for what it's trying to do, but it does it with throwing away a lot of things like users being able to manage their files.It should have been with a non-Unix system.
(DIR) Post #AXAHEBEpii1PZqCqzg by nyx@social.xenofem.me
2023-06-28T23:01:45.184137Z
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@lanodan YEP. it is so insane to me how the whole ass Linux phone community has just totally sidelined and ignored Maemo/SailfishOS when there is ALREADY AN ESTABLISHED HISTORY of Linux on smartphones that was designed around the concept and did it right. like Sailfish actually seems like it has a really good UIbut no as usual the usual idiots behind the Linux desktop sabotaged that too
(DIR) Post #AXAHIxt8mY8rcZLDuq by nyx@social.xenofem.me
2023-06-28T23:02:48.631775Z
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@lanodan @w it's almost like trying to turn a clone of a mainframe OS from the 70s into a smartphone OS is just a fundamentally bad idea or something lol
(DIR) Post #AXAHUptGLPYeI53iHw by dc@pl.starnix.network
2023-06-28T23:05:14.524113Z
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@nyx @lanodan >a jokeit works p well and you cant deny it, for battery the og pinephone does pretty goood. Apparently there is a new thing that increases bat life a lot but i have yet to look into it (also i use a pinephone pro as my daily driver)
(DIR) Post #AXAHebKTKxns1fRUC8 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-06-28T23:06:31.505763Z
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@nyx @w "I want an OS designed for mainframes/servers having multiple concurrent remote users on my phone" statements dreamed by the utterly deranged.
(DIR) Post #AXAHhDSuWEoKskdVq4 by w@arachnid.town
2023-06-28T23:06:38.803158Z
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@lanodan @nyx Nowadays people use systems built on top of Linux that try to abstract the system to make it more bearable, with everything communicating over sockets and network interfaces. The actual underlying system is basically a maintenance closet that people only go into when a pipe is leaking. People would rather use their KDEs, their Androids, their emacs than use tools that integrate with the system. Things like Flatpak, Wayland, Pipewire, ostree etc are slowly turning the desktop into something more like Android because of this, and mobile Linux won't be that far off from what Android is now in the future.
(DIR) Post #AXAHraKeM7GKhKiUjY by jeff@federated.fun
2023-06-28T23:09:19.217143Z
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@emilis @nyx @w @lanodan okay, now we have AF_DBUS
(DIR) Post #AXAHvk9DnrQ6IbM0jw by w@arachnid.town
2023-06-28T23:09:15.697456Z
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@emilis @nyx @lanodan Plan 9 namespacing is much more comfy in my opinion.
(DIR) Post #AXAI1A1j0r4K0eQlhg by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-06-28T23:10:35.064650Z
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@emilis @nyx @w I wish people would look at dial(2), stuff like message passing, …getaddrinfo is so ARPANET.
(DIR) Post #AXAIWK2DqxQY1fWRhw by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-06-28T23:16:17.286373Z
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@w @nyx yeah, it's adding things on top of each others while honestly the foundation is not only quite broken but also a complete nightmare to debug, specially when you don't want to throw security away with things like bpftrace, which is cool but linux ebpf is also a way to lie to userspace meaning nearly undetectable in-kernel rootkits…
(DIR) Post #AXAIc60UvAlUFzT7iq by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-06-28T23:17:06.203859Z
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@emilis @nyx @w http://man.9front.org/2/dialOr the one in Go, but that's a much lesser version.
(DIR) Post #AXAIf9H1EVHTFxeUDI by nyx@social.xenofem.me
2023-06-28T23:17:54.245298Z
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@dc @lanodan personally my standards for whether or not I care about an OS are higher than "it boots and has good battery life"I would like just as much as anyone to be able to use mobile linux for anything. I've been following the development of mobile linux stuff for many years, since like 2015, and I've tried different things are various times (I even have a pinephone) and none of it has ever been usable for anything beyond maybe, maybe some command line stuff. but the soft keyboard on mobile linux is so dogshit that it doesn't matter -- and besides that, if you've designed an OS in the form factor of a smartphone that isn't useful or usable without an interface that is designed for a full hardware keyboard, you've fucked up bad. having the option to do stuff like open a terminal is good and should be there, but the primary way of interfacing with the phone should be graphical and not only that but it MUST be good because anything that requires a full keyboard interface will always be shit on a phone (unless we start bringing back slider keyboards, which would rule), and the GUI situation on mobile linux is just patheticalso don't even bring up that stupid pinephone case thing that turns it into essentially a mini laptop. that makes it no longer have the form factor of a phone. I get that making a slideout keyboard is way harder to do as a small company, but what they ended up with doesn't solve my problems. I'd sooner use an MNT Pocket Reform since that at least is designed around the concept of being a small laptop
(DIR) Post #AXAJSqTzN3KdSOPqgC by dc@pl.starnix.network
2023-06-28T23:27:17.595971Z
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@nyx @lanodan A pinephone can call,text, use a web browser and has pretty good native apps, really bat life is the biggest issues atm. To me its apparent you have FOM'ed your self and have not used mobile linux in a long time cc @charlie_root
(DIR) Post #AXAJeZsEwphXQ8Lyue by nyx@social.xenofem.me
2023-06-28T23:29:05.541226Z
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@dc @charlie_root @lanodan I've fucked around with mobile linux within the last year and it sucked ass :comfycool:
(DIR) Post #AXAK1MjDzL4NJM0EXA by scarlett@enby.site
2023-06-28T23:31:45.712Z
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@nyx@social.xenofem.me @dc@pl.starnix.network @charlie_root@decayable.ink @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me can confirm
(DIR) Post #AXAK4OZTaqyhtYt6RM by dc@pl.starnix.network
2023-06-28T23:34:05.132611Z
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@nyx @charlie_root @lanodan im using it rn an i have no issues :cirno_shrug:
(DIR) Post #AXAKBIDdbposDlxhp2 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-06-28T23:34:46.279574Z
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@dc @charlie_root @nyx Works On My Machine™ aka "I tolerate the bullshit you don't"
(DIR) Post #AXAKPVHfpXWSnPcrvU by dc@pl.starnix.network
2023-06-28T23:37:53.909835Z
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@lanodan @charlie_root @nyx aka skill issue, now im not saying it for most people but its not bad
(DIR) Post #AXAKsSqTyYvLdAiVtI by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-06-28T23:42:37.939641Z
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@dc @charlie_root @nyx > splitting a small screen> unreadable neofetch-style obnoxious arch-btw shitWell done, you've basically proved what Nyx said.
(DIR) Post #AXAL4sPqjP8mPYB7HU by dc@pl.starnix.network
2023-06-28T23:45:22.319165Z
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@lanodan @charlie_root @nyx > splitting a small screen you dont have to, as well im showing you its pmos
(DIR) Post #AXALCVTPum2hZaU90i by cobra@ak.vern.cc
2023-06-28T23:44:21.560386Z
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@dc @charlie_root @lanodan @nyx if we're being completely fair, sxmo is kind of fucking trash when it comes to usability and not looking like a complete nerd who refuses to use a "normal" device
(DIR) Post #AXALCWB1Iev9kosxyS by dc@pl.starnix.network
2023-06-28T23:46:45.252921Z
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@cobra @charlie_root @lanodan @nyx i find it much more use able but i dont care to argue about ui lol
(DIR) Post #AXAM7tUrGlISaOWXEO by 11backslashes@social.unx.pw
2023-06-28T23:54:45.300772Z
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@lanodan @w @nyx Do you happen to know how hard is it to get one of those running on modernish phone hardware these days? You just reminded me that I looked into trying out Maemo when I was a broke college student 10 years ago, but lacked the necessary power level to make it happen.
(DIR) Post #AXAM7ufstFi8Esgr3Y by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-06-28T23:56:35.139824Z
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@11backslashes @w @nyx It's not hard, Sony sells SailfishOS phones for example.
(DIR) Post #AXAMuMeKBRO4tx41gW by 11backslashes@social.unx.pw
2023-06-28T23:59:40.623409Z
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@lanodan @w @nyx Awesome, I'll have to look into that again. The UI did look so much better than Android. I just wish Jolla's graphical software wasn't proprietary.
(DIR) Post #AXAMuNIjlBiIvHyIfw by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-06-29T00:05:22.174649Z
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@11backslashes @w @nyx Proprietary part for graphics is a theme-ish Qt library, and apps devs can choose to not use it and rely on stuff from Glacier for example.And soft keyboard, wayland compositor (lipstick), … are libre.
(DIR) Post #AXAMwgzZWLwgZY71nM by duponin@udongein.xyz
2023-06-29T00:05:59.598106Z
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@emilis @nyx @w @lanodan programming socks… 👉👈
(DIR) Post #AXAakMw1fLgAFWTIjQ by scathach@stereophonic.space
2023-06-29T02:40:55.390485Z
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@w @nyx This but with CLOS OS instead of inferno and a GUI shell that properly supports a small touch screen would be sick
(DIR) Post #AXAjHnVkfzhdrbdJWy by charlie_root@decayable.ink
2023-06-29T04:16:39.000708Z
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Yeah I got PostmarketOS and phosh on mine and the software itself is fine. My biggest gripe is no matter what I do the modem still dies in suspend from time to time and it sucks because ppl love to text me when than happens, but missed texts are stored in the modem firmware when you reboot, so its not that bad.As a phone though it works great, especially when you follow the instruction on git for tuning the open source modem firmware sdk and audio settings for calls. There is definitely a learning curve. However if you are going to compare it to consumer devices like iphones and androids your completely missing the point and lack understanding of the hardware industry. Google, Samsung and Apple respectively have poured billions of dollars into R&D to make them what they are today. The tradeoff is a simpler and limited device, but fuck big tech and their spy devices.
(DIR) Post #AXk978NApAfyJqsNjE by charlie_root@decayable.ink
2023-07-16T06:20:57.649345Z
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Yeah I prefer phosh, the UI is simple but not to obtuse. I think a tiling window manager for a phone is a bad idea.