Post AXAGeJSlfBhqf1cZwe by Clementulus@qoto.org
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(DIR) Post #AXA63WfYbJENMZQIt6 by Emilyy@mas.to
2023-06-28T19:11:20Z
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@ska @dalias @futurebird @mattmcirvin Deplatforming is really important to reducing the availability of bad information. Big impacts around Twitter decisions, for example: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/16/misinformation-trump-twitter/
(DIR) Post #AXA63XcP4WIoJ4xIbw by Unit@qoto.org
2023-06-28T20:57:03Z
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@Emilyy @ska @dalias @futurebird @mattmcirvin Deplatforming is great until it happens to you
(DIR) Post #AXA6z9FtoKilXftlS4 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-06-28T21:07:27Z
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"Deplatforming is great until it happens to you"This assumes you are speaking to a group of people who have never been deplatformed. But this is far from the case. There isn't any politics free abstract solution. Deplatforming a fun video game forum because "video games cause violence" is bad. Deplatforming nazis is good. It's very messy and we will need to have discussions about the boundary forever. "Just allow everything" isn't a solution and it doesn't even really do what it claims
(DIR) Post #AXA71IJN6zWcCxXupU by dalias@hachyderm.io
2023-06-28T21:07:49Z
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@Unit @Emilyy @ska @futurebird @mattmcirvin And it just happened to you because you're on QOTO. 🤡
(DIR) Post #AXA9NPj8QBpfUCGuBs by Unit@qoto.org
2023-06-28T21:34:16Z
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@futurebird I agree that “just allow everything” isn’t a good sentiment, but individuals should be allowed to sort out a majority of information for themselves and be able to openly debate why someone is incorrect.You lose both of those things when you remove a a person’s ability to speak.Additionally, you encourage others to move into echo chambers which I personally think makes things far worse.
(DIR) Post #AXABXbSpq0OOgydMtE by Unit@qoto.org
2023-06-28T21:58:31Z
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@unchartedworlds @futurebird If I have been “deplatformed” from twitter I can no longer speak on twitter.Obviously someones ability to “speak” isn’t removed. I still have my mouth and my brain…I can still talk to people. But my ability to speak, in this case on a specific website, is ultimately limited.I’m still not sure why its okay to do this when, if its so obvious why we should deplatform someone, that we can just tell others why they are wrong.
(DIR) Post #AXACYGimXoY0bSyScS by freemo@qoto.org
2023-06-28T22:09:48Z
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@futurebird I largely agree, deplatforming isnt inherently good or bad, it depends on who is the target.I do think there is legitimate concern that deplatforming is frivilous and abusive right now from both sides in many cases. That said im not sure deplatofrming is the issue, its more of a symptom. The real issue is just the toxic polarization we have in society that is causing cancel culture from both ends on everything under the sun.
(DIR) Post #AXADZDSQGTYWiyL0Ua by etherdiver@ravenation.club
2023-06-28T22:21:13Z
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@Unit @unchartedworlds @futurebird because it's asymmetric, for one. It's super easy to flood the zone with bullshit that drowns out the real, well researched stuff. And rebutting BS takes orders of magnitude more effort than print the BS out there.Also, some of that stuff can do actual harm to real people, even if it is eventually rebutted.
(DIR) Post #AXADwORNazYtRrtxs8 by LouisIngenthron@qoto.org
2023-06-28T22:25:24Z
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@Unit @unchartedworlds @futurebird It's okay because you agreed to it when you joined Twitter. These are private spaces that exist by invite only, and those invites can be rescinded.And that rule applies to every private space, even your residence. You can see why it would be especially useful in, for example, a women's shelter or an alcoholics anonymous meeting.Also, "telling others why [the user] is wrong" just *elevates* their speech, while deplatforming them makes their message less accessible. When you think about trolls and spammers, the benefits of that route become obvious; few bad actors argue in good faith.A group choosing to disassociate with certain individuals is one of the ways a group defines itself, and is itself a form of speech.
(DIR) Post #AXAFalvdmq2nphsFiy by malin@dice.camp
2023-06-28T22:43:54Z
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@Unit @futurebird there's another division to be made. In Uni I studied Philosophers who made aggressively sexist remarks. It's fine for students to speak about them, but not great when you hear this stuff debated by others. So some can listen and debate all the want, while others can't. You might think I'm gonna make an intelligent point but I'm just musing.
(DIR) Post #AXAGeJSlfBhqf1cZwe by Clementulus@qoto.org
2023-06-28T22:52:23Z
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@LouisIngenthron @Unit @unchartedworlds @futurebird The deplatforming question is an interesting question to me. If we set aside legitimate targetted harassment, intimidation and threats, I cannot work out good first principles for deplatforming on social media. For one, if you don't like what someone is saying, you can just ignore them, block them, dont follow them or whatever. Deplatforming is only done to limit other peoples access to a certain individuals ideas. In the case of children I could understand having parental controls on what ideas they come into contact with since they are not yet mature in their thinking. But for adults I can't come up with a non-paternalistic reason why I should be allowed to limit what other people see online and I also don't trust other people to make these types of decisions for me.
(DIR) Post #AXBzxBxqSRm608UfgW by kmagnacca@ecoevo.social
2023-06-29T18:57:22Z
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@Unit Getting banned from all social media would probably be the best thing that ever happened to me. Probably to you too.