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(DIR) Post #AX6TJCGRkqFH1bHPTk by freemo@qoto.org
2023-06-27T02:58:43Z
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What is your favorite handgun caliber for self-defense?#gun #guns #2a
(DIR) Post #AX6u3zvC3mXRAAJdxI by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-06-27T07:58:33Z
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@freemo For a moment there i thought it said #2fa and you were advertising a new second factor ^^
(DIR) Post #AX7LBmS4imFYSzdDVo by flab@freesoftwareextremist.com
2023-06-27T13:01:45.038281Z
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@freemo depends. 9mm for carry because of size and weight versus power balance, .45 for inside my home for less over-penetration... Plus I just shoot 45 better in general.
(DIR) Post #AX89mDauHMRumSKZSC by freemo@qoto.org
2023-06-27T22:29:17Z
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@flab are you suggesting a .45 acp has less penetration than a 9mm?
(DIR) Post #AX8Cd4IFn1jvBsw0Ce by flab@freesoftwareextremist.com
2023-06-27T23:01:13.801858Z
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@freemo in drywall and wood yeah. Broader surface + less velocity
(DIR) Post #AX8Cq7kwE8NVh7ZpjM by freemo@qoto.org
2023-06-27T23:03:37Z
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@flab Do you have any experimental sources for that? The significantly higher energy woukd seem to offset that, but im only speculating.
(DIR) Post #AX8E1glgUe2dQE0KcS by flab@freesoftwareextremist.com
2023-06-27T23:16:53.482826Z
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@freemo the thing is penetration relies on speed, but a broader projectile will dump the energy into a soft target faster. Same principle behind JHP ammo. Defense on a soft target is both more effective and safer if you dump energy all at once, the sort of "punch" effect.You want a certain amount of penetration, enough to inflict a good wound channel, but *too* much poses a danger to anything behind your target. In a perfect scenario, the round penetrates your target completely and not one inch further. A higher speed, narrower projectile is more likely to go beyond that point than a broader one, regardless of total energy.
(DIR) Post #AX8EIYQwjYy4UoLXW4 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-06-27T23:19:57Z
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@flab well no, if we are talking theory then its a bit more complicated than that...More velocity for the same weight projectile will obviously be more penetrating, but thats because it has more energy. But a higher velocity projectile at the same energy (so lighter) will be less penetrating. A 9mm is faster but has less energy thus shoukd be less penetrating in theory.Let me try to find some ballistic gel tests on this to see if i can find a good real world answer though. Theory isnt always correct.
(DIR) Post #AX8HRkSpfrH0HCIvdQ by freemo@qoto.org
2023-06-27T23:55:14Z
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@flab Ok so watched a few videos and, as expected, the actual answer is nuanced.When shooting ballistic gel with no MDF, and using a FMJ bullet, then the 9mm indeed does have noticably more penetration. However if you are in a situation where you dont want deep penetration then you would be using hollow point...When shooting hollow point on ballistic gel without MDF then 9mm and 0.45 ACP has exactly the same penetration. I t should be noted the 0.45 ACP while having the same penetration also did more damage to the gel in terms of cavity size... So in this particular test the .45 is superior as it has more stopping power for the same penetration.When using MDF in front of the ballistic gel, however, we find the .45 ACP is significantly more penetrating than the 9mm.so would seem that while the FMJ certainly gave results consistent with your claim, the more real world scenario of the hollow point in fact was counter to your claim and consistent with mine, that the ACP will be more penetrating than the 9mm.Source for the hollow point tests:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lSbHijfza0
(DIR) Post #AX8IQIyAVqtsfTpxfE by Clementulus@qoto.org
2023-06-28T00:06:11Z
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@freemo the hands attached to these guns :blobflexmoustacheL: :blobflexmoustacheR:P.S : I live in Canada
(DIR) Post #AX8IWPtJgtDLsBTwDg by freemo@qoto.org
2023-06-28T00:07:17Z
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@Clementulus When I traveled to Israel about 2 years ago at the border they asked "Do you have any weapons?"... I responded, while flexing "Just these guns!"... long story short they took me in the back and questioned me for like 3 hours before they let me in :)
(DIR) Post #AX8IzQiBieFMod6x8a by Clementulus@qoto.org
2023-06-28T00:12:33Z
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@freemo hilarious. When I went in 2010 they pulled me aside and questioned me for 30 minutes because I was 20 cm shorter when my passport was made (they couldnt believe that I had grown that much in less than 2 years.)
(DIR) Post #AX8LrvBYpmxwsFxfGa by freemo@qoto.org
2023-06-28T00:44:46Z
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@Clementulus yea their security is a bit insane even i thr best of circumstances.
(DIR) Post #AXBs98K91F0UYK6hjU by IAmErik@qoto.org
2023-06-29T17:30:38Z
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@freemoYou need to have .380 on this list. Ruger LCP’s are perfect for when one finds it unwise to carry a “real” gun. I have also seen some compelling evidence that says caliber isn’t all that important when defending yourself from other human beings.
(DIR) Post #AXBsN9hEiGp4raausC by freemo@qoto.org
2023-06-29T17:33:03Z
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@IAmErik .380 and 0.40 both deserve to be on the list honestly. Sadly i was limited to 4, and these are the 4 that are my top picks so I went with it.As for the importance of caliber… in most situations I’d tend to agree. Even a 0.22 is pretty deadly at close range, at least enough to incapacitate… But there is important differences like penetration potential which can be fairly critical when you consider other factors (like collateral damage).