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(DIR) Post #AX5n8O9H24pSch5Xg8 by supernovae@universeodon.com
2023-06-26T17:40:19Z
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I am disappointed in mastodon.art for many reasons, but the most important one being the active harm they are causing the community.The fediverse has a bad habit of just hoping things blow over and that we get back to "normal" but I must say, this beef that mastodon.art wages is not normal. It's not healthy and it existed long before universeodon didSince they didn't reach out to me, I'll answer their claims publicly.Search: I'm not sure how I can be more open than sharing to the world and blogging about it - https://blog.universeodon.com - i'm talking about it everywhere.growth: I'm not sure why "growth mindset" is bad - I'm enthusiastic about the future.Meta: Yes, I met with Meta. I meet with many admins and networks. I work in tech. Talking to people is what I do.Moderation: yes, I talked about removing reporting from federated timeline, but what they excluded by sharing my admin chats was this was about agency for people of color.[1/x]
(DIR) Post #AX5n8PCV7Z0LszbdLc by supernovae@universeodon.com
2023-06-26T17:43:36Z
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I find the entire thing contradictory since i'm punished for being open and honest while at the same time being told i'm not open and honest.I do nothing but advocate for my users, advocate for the future of mastodon and fediverse and show enthusiasm for making this place - universeodon and the fediverse better.I am disappointed at how this whole thing turned out with all the fighting and battling.We at universeodon didn't defederate or block any instances. We took all the punches. We smiled. We nodded and we kept doing what we do best - we kept communicating to our users and being open and honest.I am extremely disappointed that discussions i have with other admins in hopes of trying to solve complex problems of user agency and the "HOA" vibe mastodon has been used to defederate us & used in a completely ignorant and intentionally deceitful context.I'm more concerned that NO ONE reached out to me to speak to any of this.*THAT* is the problem we face.Not me being excited
(DIR) Post #AX5n8Q5RpGxOdPJVzc by supernovae@universeodon.com
2023-06-26T17:45:58Z
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I'm not saying and this to stoke any more fires or fuel any more flames, but just that it needs to be said.I can't sit around and be punished for having a heart and not saying anything.My heart is here in connecting people to people and if mastodon.art chooses not to share with me - that is their choice.Blaming me for their own actions is just the worst thing that can be done to the people they impacted by doing it this way and its unfortunate it happened.We haven't blocked or defederated anyone and won't be blocking or defederating anyone unless they are intentionally causing harm or abuse that breaks our rules.User agency means user agency. I will stand by that.Thank you fediverse :hearthands:
(DIR) Post #AX5nWH6It7RBiM5aAC by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-26T19:10:26Z
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@supernovae It's time people stand up against the bullies from the .art staf..For far too long people and instances have taken bs from them while they are just hyporcites..At some point it's enough
(DIR) Post #AX5ntGR9WPpCJfnr04 by supernovae@universeodon.com
2023-06-26T19:14:36Z
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@stux enough is enough!
(DIR) Post #AX5nx9RrRmabnezK40 by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-26T19:15:17Z
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@supernovae If they keep going like this they won't have any Fediverse left but rather their own little intranet..:nkoFacepalm:
(DIR) Post #AX5oZXRSgiQNDd6brs by supernovae@universeodon.com
2023-06-26T19:21:59Z
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@stux I don't see the joy in that!
(DIR) Post #AX5oc9wwUJrbEB52Qa by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-26T19:22:41Z
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@supernovae Only they do :ablobwink:
(DIR) Post #AX5odXp7DAhbYo50AS by FinchHaven@hachyderm.io
2023-06-26T19:22:57Z
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@stux IIRC it's not at all the first time the *.art clan got on someone's case, gang-styleAnd yet their own behavior has been far from pristineNot sure because the ancient mists of time start to obscure things, but I'm pretty sure it was through *.art that I learned about "brigading""Social Media Futures: What Is Brigading?"https://www.institute.global/insights/tech-and-digitalisation/social-media-futures-what-brigadingcc @supernovae
(DIR) Post #AX5omCcbPOlkPVM5ia by rileyio@mstdn.ca
2023-06-26T19:24:24Z
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@stux @supernovae This! my thoughts as well reading through. Kinda defeats the purpose of the whole Federated thing for sure with what’s happening.
(DIR) Post #AX5qnLm73tdezsTkGG by jepyang@wandering.shop
2023-06-26T19:47:02Z
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@stux @supernovae Oh no they have a joyful place to themselves and actively set boundaries in order to maintain that joyfullnessHow awfulI just can’t believe anyone uses this site in a different way than you twoClearly they must be stopped
(DIR) Post #AX5sMrZOwNtjhH1xqK by davey_cakes@mastodon.ie
2023-06-26T20:04:44Z
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@stux @supernovae this is sounding a bit "burn the witch" in all fairness.Freedom of association and expression are things.
(DIR) Post #AX5sd58aGUC6PQDki8 by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-26T20:07:40Z
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@davey_cakes @supernovae thats not what i meant :ablobwink: not by a long shotI'll just ingore them from now on
(DIR) Post #AX5x5s3eNC0u3etd44 by crankylinuxuser@infosec.exchange
2023-06-26T18:28:24Z
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@supernovae > growth: I'm not sure why "growth mindset" is bad - I'm enthusiastic about the future.Cancer also has a "growth mindset". Growth for growth's sake has innumerable problems. It also disregards Dunbar's numbers in dealing with growing too fast, or at all. But again, Meta/Facebook isn't worth the "growth", given they more act as a metstatic malignant entity... And what do we get? A destroyed community.
(DIR) Post #AX5x5srzM2HOZmRpWi by supernovae@universeodon.com
2023-06-26T18:32:56Z
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@crankylinuxuser My idea of growth is sustainability. I never once spoke of growth for growth at all costs.I spoke of growth like growing a garden, growing food, growing community, growing relationships, growing positive interactions, and affording this to more people.Y'all need to ask questions before you turn every word or action into a negative thing.I must ask, why do people believe someone who has never talked to me or hears everything via 3rd parties - but here we are talking, and you still pre-suppose what this person says rather than the words coming out of my (keyboard) mouth?Instead of asking my about my growth intentions, you just ran with their BS excuse. why is that?
(DIR) Post #AX5x5tbMdKZkqVg4Fk by uzayran@cyberplace.social
2023-06-26T20:01:11Z
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@supernovae @crankylinuxuser I can tell you why. Because nowadays being "growth-oriented" implies "growth at all costs" in most contexts, and you did not clarify what you mean at all in the post they commented on.
(DIR) Post #AX5x5ubktMTzy0rtVA by supernovae@universeodon.com
2023-06-26T20:06:18Z
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@uzayran @crankylinuxuser Put on your rational discourse hat for a moment and read what mastodon.art blogged about.They said i don't share anything and did things in silence.While at the same time they said i wanted to remove moderation abilities and that i had a growth mindset.These contradict each other and to be honest, both are lies.I used to have a hashtag #60daysto100k where I talked about striving to achieve 100k because that meant we would be self-sustainable and have enough users for critical mass. I did this out in the open.THEY NEVER replied to any of it.I also talked to the admins about how we can give BIPOC people agency, and one idea was to disable reports on federated timeline or reduce the score of reports if they were on federated timeline because people are abusing BIPOC folks.The fact mastodon.art doesn't care about these discussions and wants to impose its ideology over everyone is indefensible.
(DIR) Post #AX5x5vA8pVzLgexM6C by uzayran@cyberplace.social
2023-06-26T20:14:52Z
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@supernovae @crankylinuxuser I only answered your question man
(DIR) Post #AX5x5vliZo2vZCXMfY by supernovae@universeodon.com
2023-06-26T20:16:26Z
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@uzayran @crankylinuxuser that's the problem, no one asked me what i said,they just listened to some rando who I've never talked to and took their word.don't you find that kind of odd?and don't you think admins should have a safe space to be excited for fediverse to grow? isn't it odd that we don't allow that?there is a lot odd going on that we're not asking "hey, why is it taboo for Byron to be excited to grow his great instance?"?? :)
(DIR) Post #AX5x5wMEO3FlORcWa8 by uzayran@cyberplace.social
2023-06-26T20:42:28Z
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@supernovae @crankylinuxuser I get that you're frustrated and need to vent. I don't think you actually care what I think , nor do I know why you should. But since you asked:I don't think it's weird, no. I don't think it's a healthy form of communication either, but I also don't think this type of platform encourages healthy discussions.1/2
(DIR) Post #AX5x5wyA71avI5Mohk by uzayran@cyberplace.social
2023-06-26T20:42:38Z
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@supernovae @crankylinuxuser I don't think it's weird because there are a lot of people here who hate Facebook and what it stands for with a passion. That feeling doesn't foster a measured approach. They get told that you want to collaborate with them, they get angry. Now you can try to explain your side plainly, or not. I don't know. I can't say I care that deeply about the beef between you two, I'm on neither of your instances.2/2
(DIR) Post #AX5x5xhtN0ArZulKz2 by supernovae@universeodon.com
2023-06-26T20:47:49Z
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@uzayran @crankylinuxuser yeah, everyone has opinions.I just separate "meta the company" from "activity pub the social network".I don't really use any meta products - and I've said it over and over - i'd just like to follow my kids or dad from their Insta accounts from the privacy of our instance. Kids love insta... ditto with artists, musicians, creators, makers, outdoors, auto and sports folks... all of which we desperately need here .I don't need to convince them they're right or wrong for where they are, but if we can tear down the walled garden to connect - that's a win for me.The hate for stuff? eh... there is potentially 1/3rd of the internet there and i would love to shine in how awesome we are here instead of build walls based on hate for the company.Activitypub will only win if we're passionate in advocating for the humans it connects.
(DIR) Post #AX5xqSPpWnkq8lU7ai by cablespaghetti@blahaj.social
2023-06-26T21:06:05Z
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@stux @supernovae I know you’re both getting some shitty messages about all of this. Try and remember it’s a vocal minority and the vast majority appreciate what you’re doing running these servers!
(DIR) Post #AX5z26n5r1OsV9UAls by Sylvhem@eldritch.cafe
2023-06-26T21:19:26Z
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@stux “The bullies from the ·ART staff”???They have rules, they enforce them and they are vocal about what kind of federation they want. That’s all.In all seriousness, your instance as 32,000 active accounts. Theirs, 6,100. How can they “bully” you?@supernovae
(DIR) Post #AX5zEg6WNyoDUzZBho by sun_eater@goreslut.xyz
2023-06-26T21:21:46.923587Z
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@supernovae they blocked my instance for no reason at allI know it is not a place for everyone but no one here ever says anything harmful, so it is really frustating
(DIR) Post #AX5zErdtUF2XHgGUka by puzzlebark@social.xenofem.me
2023-06-26T21:21:47.648201Z
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@eris @stux @supernovae internet artists love to have a ToS for interacting with them and i dont understand it at all
(DIR) Post #AX5zHKc4kHUliLaheq by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-26T21:22:11Z
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@Sylvhem @supernovae They are mis using their power on thatThere are pleny of examples, the most recent one is spreading bs to fuel discussions more and more while they ban other because they do the sameThey keep doing that so that's why i said hyporcites
(DIR) Post #AX5zXHAdJSBrfdMFgu by Sylvhem@eldritch.cafe
2023-06-26T21:25:03Z
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@stux What bullshit? Also, I still don’t understand how they are bullying you.@supernovae
(DIR) Post #AX61iAKjH0PlYjOu0G by hughster@universeodon.com
2023-06-26T21:49:21Z
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@stux @supernovae ...and a warm, fuzzy sense of satisfaction that everyone else was the problem, not them 🙄
(DIR) Post #AX6E0Wyj172OSDdFVg by ceremus@hachyderm.io
2023-06-27T00:07:08Z
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@stux @Sylvhem The .art admins have laid out their grievances clearly and publicly. You can disagree with those grievances as you please, but they are acting within the directives of their community and giving their members advance notice of their actions.You defederated .art on a whim, breaking thousands of your members' follows with no notice given whatsoever. You seem awfully eager to throw stones from a glass house.
(DIR) Post #AX6FfikQGPB0mc9ATw by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-27T00:25:53Z
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@supernovae good thing about this thread is how easy it filters out the people that go right on my personal blocklist :blobcatgiggle: :nkoHammer: I'm blocking out all the rude yay
(DIR) Post #AX6GYK9HQLMsPwoJgO by supernovae@universeodon.com
2023-06-27T00:35:45Z
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@stux serenity now! :)
(DIR) Post #AX6IvHdn78N3Cy9pfE by markwoll@universeodon.com
2023-06-27T01:02:18Z
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@stux @supernovae It is a target rich environment.My filters are set on stun ( 1 day ) for a little peace. I love filters.
(DIR) Post #AX7ZEciukKoyWOl2jA by MisterMadge@universeodon.com
2023-06-26T18:45:24Z
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@supernovaeI don't get the whole anti-Meta thing. Nothing on Mastodon has ever indicated that my toots were securely withheld from the public. If anyone is going to toot publicly, expect it to be recorded by Meta and other big tech hoovers.
(DIR) Post #AX7ZEfczwms5Wv0rQG by MisterMadge@universeodon.com
2023-06-26T19:00:00Z
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@supernovaeEveryone should use ActivityPub but...
(DIR) Post #AX7ZIPxEACu44qGIAC by wendinoakland@mastodon.social
2023-06-26T19:35:03Z
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@MisterMadge @supernovae There’s fear of the unbridled monetizing, corporatizing nature of Meta basically “infecting” the Fediverse, so if any fedi instance federated with a Meta instance, all the accts on the fedi instance might be vulnerable to exploitation by Meta. It’s not an unrealistic worry, but it’s not clear how things will go until there’s an actual Meta instance. So, do we preemptively block or do we take a very actively aware wait-and-see stance?
(DIR) Post #AX7ZIQtMg3PKz9SimW by supernovae@universeodon.com
2023-06-26T19:36:51Z
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@wendinoakland @MisterMadge Well, that's why i turned my concerns into actual meetings with people who work there.Truth is, meta doesn't need to join the fediverse to be able to harvest anythig on the fediverse. The fediverse is a W3C open protocol and can be scraped more effeciently with standard web crawlers.Remote instances aren't subject to exploitation in any meaningful way since the connections are all loosely coupled.
(DIR) Post #AX7b9jHH9NkbJFckRU by supernovae@universeodon.com
2023-06-26T19:50:36Z
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@jepyang @stux That's the problem. If they kept to themselves this wouldn't be an issue.
(DIR) Post #AX7b9k0eQg2xZyqzAW by jepyang@wandering.shop
2023-06-26T20:23:38Z
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@supernovae @stux “If they kept to themselves…”It seems to me that’s *exactly* what they did.
(DIR) Post #AX7b9kflxmwLdW5pGS by supernovae@universeodon.com
2023-06-26T20:24:53Z
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@jepyang @stux no, they blogged about it, posted it here and wrote stuff that wasn't true to justify it.They severed many consenting relationships on lies.They could have left it as "limited" to force approvel to "protect their timeline" but they didn't.They harmed everyone involved
(DIR) Post #AX7bHTIcRQ264PwbB2 by hughster@universeodon.com
2023-06-26T22:03:36Z
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@Sylvhem @stux @supernovae Their admin has a long track record of smearing other popular instance admins as ableists, transphobes, racists, etc. for undefined misdeeds, via the instance About page and in discussion here.Some are based on a single observed interaction they twisted and blew up out of all context and accuracy, while others appear based on no evidence at all.
(DIR) Post #AX7bIAJqUjZ1UfqgYi by jeff@honeytree.social
2023-06-27T00:11:18Z
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@supernovae @stux This whole thing is drama on par with any bad reality show on TV like Big Brother.There are just people that thrive on conflict, chaos and the attention it brings them.Better to deny them that.
(DIR) Post #AXDmxNROsT7OVWznMm by Silicanus@the.asbestos.cafe
2023-06-30T15:41:48.234817Z
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@gemelen @supernovae who is u.c