Post AX4xROt3JfRWnaFHAe by jeena@toot.jeena.net
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(DIR) Post #AX4rZLZ6wzCN5YK8wq by hughster@mastodon.social
2023-06-26T08:18:32Z
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Memes like this being shared around by anarchist accounts are a fascinating insight into a nihilistic mindset, in this case probably as a result of getting fired repeatedly (and having this attitude I can perhaps understand why that might happen)."Your partner doesn't love you: they just can't find anyone better"
(DIR) Post #AX4rZMFIQ8wVCO3phY by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-26T08:21:10Z
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@hughster uhm those are very different things which you can't compare."If my grandmother had wheels, she would have been a bike."
(DIR) Post #AX4rw5rdUdoX3Jpqa0 by hughster@mastodon.social
2023-06-26T08:25:16Z
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@jeena No, I think you can. The attitude implies that other people attach only material value to you as a person and you'll be dumped in a heartbeat if someone providing more material value comes along.
(DIR) Post #AX4sTq2GqjLno6tsbA by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-26T08:31:23Z
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@hughster No, only the work one is a value transaction, you sell your time to your employer and they as much value as they can. If they can find someone else who does the same for less money they will (and this is expected from their shareholders) replace you.Being in a romantic relationship is (most of the time) not about value, its about love.So it should instead be:"Your partner loves you, but if they start loving another person more then you, they will (and often should) divorce you."
(DIR) Post #AX4tT8WSjJOWoAFeEK by hughster@mastodon.social
2023-06-26T08:42:27Z
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@jeena No. This absolutely is not the case. This continues the cynical fallacy of all work relationships as being merely "exploitation" when it isn't necessarily so at all. Yes, sometimes it is, but that doesn't mean it all is. That's why the comparison with romantic relationships is appropriate: yes, some are about material gain (e.g. marrying a rich person hoping to inherit a fortune), but that obviously doesn't necessarily mean they all are.
(DIR) Post #AX4tgrHfcSDBOisLp2 by hughster@mastodon.social
2023-06-26T08:37:43Z
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@jeena Whereas in reality, yes, it does happen that you get bad employers who treat people like faceless parts in a machine only worth their dollar replacement value, but it absolutely does not mean that it happens everywhere. People are often paid what they're paid because they are truly valued as team members and for their qualities as people and the company doesn't want to lose them. I know this from decades of experience of work.
(DIR) Post #AX4tgrzH0L5dZxHAmm by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-26T08:44:56Z
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@hughster sorry you seem just to have been lucky, or perhaps you only worked for smaller family businesses or something.From my decades of experience of work, especially those parts in enterprise I know that once you have more than let's say 50 people it's not about the people anymore, because you can't even know all of them, it's about numbers.I've been let go from half of my enterprise jobs because I couldn't bring the value they needed.
(DIR) Post #AX4uFZPY3vC66L71sG by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-26T08:51:12Z
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@hughster I never said that it's all of them, as you correctly say that a small amount of people marry rich people for the material gain, similarly a small amount of companies pay you because they value you as a person, colleague, team member, etc.Now we only disagree on the percentage of the jobs which do that.
(DIR) Post #AX4uUvWu6kjv2psLVg by hughster@mastodon.social
2023-06-26T08:53:59Z
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@jeena No, really, it wasn't. I've never worked for any family businesses. I've worked for numerous companies, from some of the biggest in the world to some of the smallest. I've encountered the bad ones you describe, but also the good, and it has little to do with size or numbers. It's about corporate attitude, and being lucky to have co-workers you get along with and can do good work with. The last thing a good line manager wants to do is break up a good team unit that works well together.
(DIR) Post #AX4vOQiZqtevhUnkw4 by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-26T09:04:01Z
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@hughster In the last 8 years I had at least 13 line managers. They had no idea what I was doing and how much value I'm bringing to the company. Sadly even if I was lucky in the line manager department, the line manager is not the one doing those decisions. As we've seen in the downsizing of the IT giants this year, it's a business decision to cut 20% or 50% or whatever it is. And then your line manager needs to figure out .who they can replace with cheaper people from India instead.
(DIR) Post #AX4vVpR4LpNsO78ks4 by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-26T09:05:22Z
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@hughster but may that as it be, I think it is a much healthier take to be cynical about it and be prepared for it to happen than not.For romantic relationships it's the opposite.
(DIR) Post #AX4vnOTtJ1hq0Dpsxc by hughster@mastodon.social
2023-06-26T09:08:31Z
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@jeena On the contrary, they are the same. If one has successive bad experiences of it, it fosters pessimism towards it and creates a self-reinforcing cycle of failure.
(DIR) Post #AX4vt7luLO3JutzmpU by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-26T09:09:34Z
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@hughster I guess we have to agree to disagree on that.
(DIR) Post #AX4xOxouyjPkH29LGK by hughster@mastodon.social
2023-06-26T09:26:29Z
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@jeena No worries. All the best!
(DIR) Post #AX4xROt3JfRWnaFHAe by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-26T09:26:59Z
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@hughster to you too!