Post AX4BMkOv6YPiH8rnX6 by jeff@federated.fun
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(DIR) Post #AX3RIudU1rhYuOEnPU by controlfreak@hackers.town
2023-06-19T23:11:44Z
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Wild couple of days. Bottom line is who cares. Be excellent to each other and there will still be a way to do so when Meta and Mastodon Inc finish ruining the current iteration.So many talking heads and admins doubling down on "wait and see", name calling other admins and calling "kneejerk" the absolute correct side of history approach of Fuck Meta to the moon instablock.There is NO argument about CAN or IF. Anyone including Meta can make make an ActivityPub platform. However, the fediverse is under no obligation to provide bad faith actors with proven dangerous and violent behaviour white glove service to our data and lives or even offer a "benefit of the doubt". Thousands are here specifically to not feed that machine.It's also not kneejerk for strong negative response tp shady doings because even a brief window of allowing a presence like Meta to slurp our transitive boosts et al is a real and viable threat to health and safety based on absolutely repeated operating procedures of corpos, Meta specifically.Yes bad faith actors appear all the time, sometimes the fedi manage to run them off. Are there still bad faith actors slurping and scraping and planting bots and moles, you bet, acknowledged. But again the fediverse is under zero obligation to throw hands in the air and say ahh whatves someone is gonna do it anyway let's give the keys to the kingdom to the biggest worst possible bad actors because whatevs and growth...A preemptive block approach and not wanting to be a complicit cog in the Meta wheel of aggression and violence who have horrible history of supporting multiple genocides, ratting out to brutal states women seeking reproductive care, beneficiaries and poor folk, activists and community leaders, dissenting voices, and so so much more, is also not kneejerk, it's actually level headed, compassionate, and human.Less about direct safety and a very real note. The entry of a player like Meta even if only a million or 10 million join their new platform quickly equals a 2x - 10x force multiplier on active fedi traffic. Mastodon and some derivatives are so piss poor at managing spikes in traffic and are super bloated in the back-end for processing relational traffic and storage. That's a recipe for speed run of the three Es.This is class war as this will be a serious strain on servers that make the bad decision to federate with Meta, and it will preclude small servers from really being able to afford to operate.For those that can scale infra costs even if not federated, the knock-on effect of backed up queues on other servers that may be Meta federated willingly or unknowingly is gonna be an unprecedented traffic jam of blown message queues, server hangs and outages. Right now when massoc has an onboarding burst or a burp, hiccup, blown update, outage or anything that backs up the queues, the entire fedi feels the pain and strain and has to bear real COSTS of admin, mod, sysadm, infra scale and $$$ to accomodate, image that at 2,10,20x power. Yikes. Again, the wider fedi (which is NOT Gargamel's Mastodon) is under no obligation to just shut up and take this because "growth".It doesn't matter who was in an NDA meeting, it's bad faith all around, absolutely antithetical to historical fediquette, and you deserve backlash if you take the position of "wait and see" and "benefit of the doubt" for a bucket of shit like Meta who while weakened and desperate for some new angles to farm and sell content and people, still have the power to completely over-run directly or indirectly, technically or litigiously, and absolutely fiscally to play the long game and muscle out, fracture or island. Meta have nothing to lose and only more data and agency theft to gain. There can be no delusion they will operate an invasion of this scale with an absolutely alien set of ethics to their proven record.Talking heads be warned, it is NOT a bad thing if massoc and Meta and Truth and a handful of admins who hate people become Fedi2 Electric Boogaloo. Who cares. Growth for growths sake is a capitalist scam and it's not really fracturing. If the dust settles on a human-centric anti corporate OG fedi with a whitelist and a charter that values safety and agency over volume and hate, that isn't an own by "unavoidable growth" players nor is it an L for the verse, that is humans being decent.It is important to note that anyone even kinda siding with Mastodon, Meta and "wait and see" or "benefit of the doubt" should expect flack given the steady and incremental slimy centralising bullshit Mastodon Inc has undertaken under the guise of "easy onboarding" which always seemed like precursors to monetisation or overpowering the network with monolithic server populations. Mastodon the company was already well on their way to being an island like Truth. That's not great for the many swindled users who had no idea mainly due to false narratives and slimy onboarding based on owning the public image. Sucks they have not experienced the joy of a lively and supportive home feed.It is imperative to make the Meta platform an island straight away and work to mitigate the ripple effects on the wider fedi that will exhaust and overrun the small-medium operators that make the fedi weird and wonderful for users who love real engagement and a place devoid of overt corporate interference. That isn't anti growth or kneejerk, it's fucking pro human.#Metablock #faceblock #meta #nda #drama #Facebook #Meta #Project92keep fedi weird. fuck influencer culture. fuck vapid growth and non-interactive firehose culture. fuck Mastodon. fuck Meta. respect agency. celebrate non-violence. embrace usable, useful and empathy filled home feeds!
(DIR) Post #AX3RIvIxXesWz1dv3g by feld@bikeshed.party
2023-06-25T15:51:17.276718Z
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> However, the fediverse is under no obligation to provide bad faith actors with proven dangerous and violent behaviour white glove service to our dataWhat violent acts has Meta done?Also, don't post publicly if you don't want it to be viewable to the public. Getting tired of beating this dead horse... 🥱
(DIR) Post #AX3ScJejKSXPxmdYYK by Natanox@chaos.social
2023-06-25T16:01:05Z
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@feld @controlfreak "What violent acts has Meta done?"Is this a joke question?
(DIR) Post #AX3ScKpkwwx5cGnsNU by feld@bikeshed.party
2023-06-25T16:06:29.467892Z
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Did they shoot or stab someone? Assault? Did some representative or agent of Meta bully someone into suicide?
(DIR) Post #AX3T1cyUdhcR7Qwzgm by feld@bikeshed.party
2023-06-25T16:11:08.739623Z
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"Meta does not manage their platforms in such a way as to effectively prevent people from using their platform to direct abuse and harassment towards vulnerable groups" is not even remotely the same as "Meta is violent"
(DIR) Post #AX3Wz16grM4IuZnMhM by gimulnautti@mastodon.green
2023-06-25T16:47:59Z
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@Natanox @feld @controlfreak second that!What is it about: ”can’t afford to run servers that federate with Meta” does the asker not get? The choice to federate with Meta is a death sentence for any hobbyist who runs their own server. It’ll just sink under the load.
(DIR) Post #AX3Wz1yvbhSBcnAgEq by feld@bikeshed.party
2023-06-25T16:55:21.220585Z
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That doesn't make any sense. Federating with Meta does not mean you receive every post for every user on Meta.By that logic you couldn't run Pleroma on Raspberry Pi and federate with Mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #AX3XMRVirCqRSgfrIu by PurpCat@marsey.moe
2023-06-25T17:00:03.373922Z
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Here's the thing as someone who has done this:Your server would sink under the load if you were pulling in Meta's relay if it ran one. It will not sink under the load if you are not pulling in Meta's relay. Hell your server will sink under the load if you pull in say Poa.st, Bae.st, varishangout, and a few other high profile instances/relays. You will not automatically pull in every post from Meta, and Meta will only pull in what you post if someone follows you (not the whole instance).
(DIR) Post #AX3Xppwf5azhdrI6Fc by gimulnautti@mastodon.green
2023-06-25T17:03:17Z
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@feld @Natanox @controlfreak Sure, as long as your users don’t follow a lot of content there. Federated feed is the sum of all posts the users on your instance follow. Which is the load you have to deal with.Actually I think I ran into some temporary insanity there. You’re correct. It doesn’t make any sense.
(DIR) Post #AX3XpqotpwNaM4fPn6 by feld@bikeshed.party
2023-06-25T17:04:56.476660Z
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The worse case scenario is you interact with someone that has a huge audience there and their followers interact with that post and now you get swarmed with thousands of new Fediverse accounts that your instance needs to learn
(DIR) Post #AX3Xzl8HpwiPc0SZFo by PurpCat@marsey.moe
2023-06-25T17:07:09.484757Z
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The only violent act I know Meta has "done" was when the NZ shooter and other terrorists used it. FB also said that nobody reported the livestream until at least 30 minutes after it had ended, and made a good faith effort to remove reuploads.Otherwise it's going into the shady zone of "words are violence".
(DIR) Post #AX3YT1HuqoGU7Aus6q by gimulnautti@mastodon.green
2023-06-25T17:09:09Z
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@feld @Natanox @controlfreak I guess the problem I was afraid would still affect relay servers though?
(DIR) Post #AX3YT1uuVpSO47A0tE by feld@bikeshed.party
2023-06-25T17:12:01.187673Z
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Relays will struggle as the Fediverse grows in general
(DIR) Post #AX3b9d8WikexZRyEdc by oliver@die-partei.social
2023-06-25T16:22:28Z
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@feld @controlfreak It seems to be the case anyway that Meta only federates with an exclusive club. So most of it is inevitably kept away from Meta.
(DIR) Post #AX3b9djOVg9NPnDg6S by controlfreak@hackers.town
2023-06-25T17:39:48Z
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@oliver @feld not true. It's the gmail paradox, even if you dont use it, others do and your content is stolen and sold on that end of the transaction.Same for meta instances, unless you go fully allow list, if you federate with a server that federates with a meta instance, you are exposed. Blocks are not sufficent to protect users from transient scraping.
(DIR) Post #AX4BMkOv6YPiH8rnX6 by jeff@federated.fun
2023-06-25T17:08:05.792561Z
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@PurpCat @feld @Natanox @controlfreak words are violent and damgerous because you can change people's minds with them, guns can never do that.
(DIR) Post #AX4BMoCIzOhS3AzmQS by Natanox@chaos.social
2023-06-25T18:52:57Z
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@jeff @feld @controlfreak @PurpCat It never fails to impress me how some people are able to sentence big corporations free of guilt despite them *obviously* not just profiting from it, but even supporting and prolonging a problem to maximize financial profits.Like... we all know how Meta operates. Almost all news reported about the war crimes that are directly linked to Facebook. About Cambridge Analytica. How they foster hate which, ultimatively, results in deaths of innocent lives. Wtf.
(DIR) Post #AX4BMqQug3Zaz3qTTM by jeff@federated.fun
2023-06-25T18:55:49.663633Z
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@Natanox @feld @controlfreak @PurpCat if that is the frame you are interpreting the world you truly need to touch grass like holy fuck.believe it or not, wanting moral continuity and good faith discussions is not the same as siding with the war machine. quite the inverse. it's sad just how programmed to hate some people online are, all some are able to see is an enemy behind every post.
(DIR) Post #AX4BMtmIF1SRMEs5iK by feld@bikeshed.party
2023-06-25T21:12:00.819781Z
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Other than the algorithm being designed for engagement which basically antagonizes people into being dickheads, Facebook's biggest offense is their operating in countries and cultures with languages they do not have on-staff expertise with. The content moderation is generally outsourced to private companies anyway.
(DIR) Post #AX4BMywl1XnbO8o1Dc by feld@bikeshed.party
2023-06-25T21:26:02.295745Z
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Growing engagement is always required when your business model is to sell ads they'll see while engaging. Violating your privacy and collecting user data is helpful in this endeavor, but not required. Even if we fixed the privacy laws, the advertisements are going to be protected under free speech laws.Ban these algorithms when left uncontrolled and without platforms moderating and being financially responsible for ~stuff? I'm not sure we have the political will to take it on like we did with the tobacco industry.If we did? They'd pull a Phillip Morris and continue doing extremely evil behavior outside the USA.This demon will never be defeated, but with some public awareness we can manage the damage. If we are to make any successful progress at all we need to be very level headed. Or pray we can crash the economy hard enough to kill these giants
(DIR) Post #AX4BN1FGThn8W7TpLM by jeff@federated.fun
2023-06-26T00:25:14.533426Z
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@feld @Natanox @controlfreak @PurpCat or... we could enforce antitrust laws
(DIR) Post #AX4BN1gCrXLHrg5LKy by PurpCat@marsey.moe
2023-06-26T00:23:54.114563Z
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They'll still do it in the USA too. The whole anti-vaping stuff is being astroturfed by big tobacco when you dig deep enough.
(DIR) Post #AX4BN5K1JxyLA1jgJM by jeff@federated.fun
2023-06-26T00:24:30.044391Z
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@PurpCat @feld @Natanox @controlfreak regulatory capture is the darndest thing
(DIR) Post #AX4BN7UNGRRVsiayjA by PurpCat@marsey.moe
2023-06-26T00:24:56.695451Z
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I heard that the EV stuff is also being pushed so hard because one group wants to replace Big Oil while doing the same shit as big oil.
(DIR) Post #AX4BNADT7khcL9i1IG by jeff@federated.fun
2023-06-26T00:25:55.802763Z
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@PurpCat @feld @Natanox @controlfreak they ARE big oil. all green tech is green washing.
(DIR) Post #AX4CgrCXdAUl71EIXw by PurpCat@marsey.moe
2023-06-25T18:53:44.946289Z
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I didn't know Mark Zuckerberg is literally Sam Hyde now. Damn.
(DIR) Post #AX4Cgs2IWjtZhXRdDc by Natanox@chaos.social
2023-06-25T19:00:07Z
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@PurpCat @feld @controlfreak @jeff No idea who Sam Hyde is (apparently some weird comedian), but if you want to read more about it from a reputable source here's an article from the Guardian about surviving Rohingya refugees who're currently fighting for justice.https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/dec/06/rohingya-sue-facebook-myanmar-genocide-us-uk-legal-action-social-media-violence
(DIR) Post #AX4CgsslNfrYKFzWzo by PurpCat@marsey.moe
2023-06-25T19:04:09.901836Z
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Okay so there's a joke that every time there's a mass shooting or tragedy or terrorist attack somewhere in the world, everyone will make bait posts about how Sam Hyde did it again (usually with a pun on his name). Journalists have reported it all the time.What I'm hearing is that Mark Zuckerberg is literally him, causing everything to happen in the world.
(DIR) Post #AX4CgteGX3rOhaDT2O by dookie@mas.gizode.com
2023-06-25T19:18:33Z
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@PurpCat @feld @Natanox @controlfreak @jeff sam hyde is tired of that joke, kiddies do it every time
(DIR) Post #AX4EpJgFpTgnfEHyyG by PurpCat@marsey.moe
2023-06-25T19:00:05.069269Z
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Someone linked me in another thread a "facebook made people kill people" post and with someone begging for handouts over it. Has it ever occurred to them that it's not Facebook that did genocide but rather Facebook just reflected how people actually felt in the area?
(DIR) Post #AX4EpLW30OiHM9WrL6 by jeff@federated.fun
2023-06-25T19:12:44.305443Z
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@PurpCat @feld @Natanox @controlfreak yes
(DIR) Post #AX4EvdUR5j9gq5m4yO by Natanox@chaos.social
2023-06-25T19:03:10Z
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@PurpCat @feld @controlfreak @jeff Without their algorithm that might would've happened. However it's no secret their algorithm boosts whatever it gets to make sure people stay longer on their services, and in cases of those countries where the war crimes happened it uncontrollably boosted resentments and lies across people who lacked the experience not to blindly believe what they read on Facebook. In addition to that, Facebook refused to moderate their language until AFTER the killing started.
(DIR) Post #AX4EveNjm7OJbbeFAe by PurpCat@marsey.moe
2023-06-25T19:07:56.491940Z
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So what you're saying is that it wasn't a third world country where mutually incompatible people exist, with a religion known to also be mutually compatible with it's neighbors, that led to people killing people. It's totally the internet doing it.I mean there are plenty of examples of the algorithm doing fucked up shit you could link but you're not doing a good job.
(DIR) Post #AX4Evf4HDxQ1jXYDTc by Natanox@chaos.social
2023-06-25T19:15:38Z
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@PurpCat @feld @controlfreak @jeff Oh, I guess you're apparently a transphobe, not just a fool using strawman arguments and hyperboles.
(DIR) Post #AX4EvfAIrYEu2EN1s0 by Natanox@chaos.social
2023-06-25T19:07:46Z
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@PurpCat @feld @controlfreak @jeff Like, yeah, I get what you say. People ultimately are responsible for their own actions. However, this argument gets really weak on light of active mass manipulation by huge companies. Especially when it comes to people in countries who don't know what the internet is, how it works and how to process the information they get there. Keyword "Facebook Free Basics" (essentially digital colonialism at this point).
(DIR) Post #AX4EvfmwXt9Dy4Rt68 by PurpCat@marsey.moe
2023-06-25T19:16:27.627117Z
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I've just tilted the pinball machine and exposed why you're really mad.You're not mad about the algorithm existing. You're only mad that it's not being used on your political enemies.
(DIR) Post #AX4EvgDsvihNJd3P5k by jeff@federated.fun
2023-06-25T19:14:55.327960Z
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@Natanox @PurpCat @feld @controlfreak your argument seems to boil down to something close to "people are accountable for their own actions but facebook lets people who didn't murder anyone use it until they do murder people so we need to ban facebook"
(DIR) Post #AX4ExJpz86BgT2el04 by jeff@federated.fun
2023-06-25T19:16:38.919950Z
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@Natanox @PurpCat @feld @controlfreak "everyone i dont agree with is an istaphobe" is why no one will ever consider your perspective in serious exchanges of ideas.
(DIR) Post #AX4EyqpDy31h4C1zVI by PurpCat@marsey.moe
2023-06-25T19:08:50.218584Z
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I don't disagree, I could give you a good example of shit moderation: big tech doesn't remove CP and other stuff from the non-EN versions of the site. Even Bing had that issue.
(DIR) Post #AX4EzrKDauequH0cQC by Natanox@chaos.social
2023-06-25T19:20:06Z
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@PurpCat @feld @controlfreak @jeff Lol, the only thing you've exposed is that you're an asshat performing evolutionary breakdance. Fuck off then.
(DIR) Post #AX4F3YytjqGXAknq7c by jeff@federated.fun
2023-06-25T19:19:55.711660Z
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@PurpCat @feld @Natanox @controlfreak and this right here is how you combat online extremism.
(DIR) Post #AX4F4Xj3tKqLZIrYPI by PurpCat@marsey.moe
2023-06-25T19:20:54.875396Z
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You do not give two shits and a fuck about a free internet or anything. You just want the entire internet to be censored your way. That is why you're mad about the algorithm.
(DIR) Post #AX4F6VEo738IQne7Bg by jeff@federated.fun
2023-06-25T19:21:39.462680Z
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@PurpCat @feld @Natanox @controlfreak might makes right
(DIR) Post #AX4F6izMzF6R4yWz4K by jeff@federated.fun
2023-06-25T19:19:03.512139Z
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@dookie @PurpCat @feld @Natanox @controlfreak those kids can't keep getting away with it!
(DIR) Post #AX4F7sztGGIgPRKPsO by PurpCat@marsey.moe
2023-06-25T19:19:58.614921Z
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he thought when the feds visited him it was over that joke. Turns out it was his ex being his ex.
(DIR) Post #AX4F7yd4K1btsOhH8a by jeff@federated.fun
2023-06-25T19:20:43.274963Z
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@Natanox @PurpCat @feld @controlfreak have you ever asked yourself "Why am i the good guy?"
(DIR) Post #AX4Jf4jj2GLcBtqg7s by jeff@federated.fun
2023-06-26T02:01:09.578266Z
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@WALFTEAM @feld @Natanox @controlfreak @PurpCat we know, i just love to torment them with the consequences of their own dogmatic tyranny they wielded against us all these years with an absolute blatant disregard for the long term consequences
(DIR) Post #AX5BfdYQyj8fhYHfeq by officialfoxdickfarms@sneed.social
2023-06-26T01:10:57.206340Z
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@PurpCat @feld @Natanox @jeff @controlfreak It's not about replacing big oil.It's about restricting movement.
(DIR) Post #AX5Bs1rSQqgiYx5hw0 by PurpCat@marsey.moe
2023-06-26T12:08:40.932606Z
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Why not both.gifLiterally look at lithium mines. Look at the startups trying to get rich off making batteries or green dollars. Look at the greenwashing companies like Tesla do as they mine the fuck out of the world for lithium. Who is getting rich off EVs and investors? It's battery makers and the like.
(DIR) Post #AX5CiLjTnPpnFcJ8sa by jeff@federated.fun
2023-06-26T12:18:03.269028Z
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@PurpCat @feld @Natanox @controlfreak @officialfoxdickfarms that green in green tech refers to the color of the waste water runoff from lithium strip mining.gotta love those giant money making pools of liquid green tech. i love watching the environmentalism grifters who promote this shit talk all high and might to the filthy wood stove burning self sufficient serfs who live off the grid with a net negative environmental damage footprint. nimbyist political tokenism never looked better than it does today.
(DIR) Post #AX5DdEngF5sOG0Onb6 by PurpCat@marsey.moe
2023-06-26T12:28:24.737688Z
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The trick is, they're great at it. There's no tailpipes some university can measure, they just put it in some country that you don't notice or give a shit about. Just like how NIMBYS never happen to have high rises near their mansion.
(DIR) Post #AX5EbfGwwt63jYu4IK by feld@bikeshed.party
2023-06-26T12:38:44.464024Z
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The future is sodium-ion batteries and CATL already has them
(DIR) Post #AX5En7nREmxDNvZ2VU by jeff@federated.fun
2023-06-26T12:41:19.116682Z
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@feld @Natanox @controlfreak @PurpCat @officialfoxdickfarms what is their raw base material that has sodium they use to refine into their final product?
(DIR) Post #AX5Et1leZ6zsQNXmXQ by JAJAX@clubcyberia.co
2023-06-26T12:42:25.547617Z
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@jeff @feld @Natanox @controlfreak @PurpCat @officialfoxdickfarms probably asian people
(DIR) Post #AX5K6nh8BV00bRocSW by l0ngyap@akm.longyap.name.my
2023-06-26T13:40:54.133433Z
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@feld @Natanox @jeff @controlfreak @PurpCat @officialfoxdickfarms nah fuck the sodium battery we dont need the big corpo power just to store energy all we need it just super elastic spring, 100% green , 100% safe, 100%clean