Post AWzNeLibM50QXHl4nQ by stickster@lor.sh
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(DIR) Post #AWzL6mhmJSmKTnEyjg by saluki@fosstodon.org
2023-06-22T21:01:38Z
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My long time love for #fedora is somewhat weakened by Red Hat's recent announcement to effectively close off a whole load of source code. Why would they even do this?I stuck with Fedora for so long and I love it and the community around it, but ultimately Red Hat still has ultimate control. I don't want to have to switch all my machines over to something else but I am genuinely considering it.
(DIR) Post #AWzL6nMXrtO8WEJXHM by stickster@lor.sh
2023-06-23T16:23:54Z
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@saluki None of the source code is closed off, though. It's all there in CentOS Stream, and in fact a lot of effort went into making sure this would continue to be the case for both RHEL 8 and 9. (For 10 going forward Fedora is where the future of RHEL is still being forged.)I'm using CentOS Stream effectively where I used to use the CentOS rebuild. What do you believe will help build more awareness of CentOS Stream and its value?
(DIR) Post #AWzLKQ3zI7d0JN89AW by saluki@fosstodon.org
2023-06-23T16:26:21Z
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@stickster I think a lot of people are misinterpreting the changes that have been made so some kind of campaign about what CentOS Stream is might help people to understand what is going on a bit better.
(DIR) Post #AWzLRwiWHewHc1g62i by stickster@lor.sh
2023-06-23T16:27:44Z
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@saluki How do you understand CentOS Stream? I have an overinformed view, and it's unclear to me what comes across to a majority of folks, given the vast range of responses I'm seeing.
(DIR) Post #AWzLj0kuWPUr3ovwem by saluki@fosstodon.org
2023-06-23T16:30:47Z
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@stickster My (extremely limited and possibly incorrect) understanding is that it's sat somewhere between Fedora and RHEL in terms of package versioning and that it is less open (easy to access, license requirements etc) than Fedora
(DIR) Post #AWzNPDjYl8QfQczb3w by stickster@lor.sh
2023-06-23T16:49:39Z
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@saluki Thanks for engaging and providing a view! If you don't mind, I'll correct some things here, in the hopes that it will help both you and any onlookers (or future alien archaeologists who are also insomniacs).In a way CentOS Stream is between Fedora and RHEL. Fedora is a great desktop OS (happy user and occasional contributor here!). It's also where the future major version of RHEL is shaped early on.In the old days (meaning, ummm, up to the end of 2021), Red Hat would basically import a bunch of Fedora content. Then engineers would start doing work internally to make RHEL. There would be a public Beta, but it was quite closed off.Now, that Fedora content at some point becomes the next branch of CentOS Stream, and the work is truly done as open source. It's free as in freedom and beer to download, use, modify, etc. the same way as Fedora.As RHEL bugfixes and updates are made -- other than a very small number of things affected by embargoes -- Red Hat puts RHEL changes in CentOS Stream first, and in the open. Those embargoed things also come to CentOS Stream, by the way. So, right now you can get from CentOS Stream 9 functionally what RHEL 9 offers. You get fixes a little ahead of RHEL in almost all cases.Some call this too much of a rolling distro to be useful, but they are wrong. They're not paying attention to the fact that changes in RHEL are not crazytown. They are the kind of things Red Hat would want customers to get for their stable enterprise product. I use CentOS Stream 9 for some internet servers I rely on. It's not like being on Fedora Rawhide, which is like... well, lovable crazytown I guess.I'm certain there are complaints that people that believe they can't rely on CentOS Stream for production use. In some cases they're probably right. And they should be paying for RHEL in those cases. Otherwise they're not contributing to open source -- they're only contributing to an eventual tragedy of the commons. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons>Besides making RHEL development more open, this model also makes it possible for the ecosystem around RHEL to actually influence RHEL via CentOS Stream. That also couldn't happen with the original CentOS (or other rebuilds, then or now). Open source is based on participation, so I see this as overall a good thing.
(DIR) Post #AWzNeLibM50QXHl4nQ by stickster@lor.sh
2023-06-23T16:52:23Z
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@saluki @mattdm wrote a great post about this on a Fedora list as well: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/CUFOHQNML45N54SG5RCKQLHEYYXXUAO5/
(DIR) Post #AWzlrpenkjbU3NwWHY by saluki@fosstodon.org
2023-06-23T21:23:43Z
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@stickster @mattdm Thanks for this, very informative. Shifting topics massively, as someone who works at Red Hat, do you know if they offer any degree apprenticeships in the UK, or if it would be worth contacting someone formally about one? I would love to get hands on with some Linux development after my A Levels but haven't found a whole host of options yet.
(DIR) Post #AWzoPrEKbuEKgcujKK by stickster@lor.sh
2023-06-23T21:52:19Z
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@saluki @mattdm there are often internship programs underway. These are usually posted on jobs.redhat.com, and there is also an EMEA graduate program(me).
(DIR) Post #AWzsgeOZyy7bcUyE3E by saluki@fosstodon.org
2023-06-23T22:40:08Z
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@stickster @mattdm I see, thanks for the details