Post AWxpVG17al68eDxCzI by GeoffWozniak@hackers.town
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(DIR) Post #AWx9ABOlNApuAQHSHQ by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-06-22T15:00:34Z
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GCC Adopts A Code of Conduct https://www.phoronix.com/news/GCC-Code-of-ConductI confess, I initially worried about the rise of CoCs: “is this going to be weaponized in coups against random odd ducks?”But over time, for every story I’ve heard where I thought they were misused, or at least “it’s complicated”, I’ve heard 100 stories of kicking out the asshole who made everyone’s lives a little worse.
(DIR) Post #AWx9Up2LhvSctZdd3I by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-06-22T15:04:15Z
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“So you think we should kick out people for things they say somewhere else?” Well, yeah! Absolutely! If your social media goes on about members of a certain race being dumb and lazy, I don’t trust you to be fair with them at the office. “I’m different at work!” Sure, buddy.Same here. If you’re a raging bastard online, I don’t want to spend my free time working with you, even if you’re pleasant enough in our project work.
(DIR) Post #AWxBCigkltaXu025yq by snickerbockers@freeradical.zone
2023-06-22T15:23:29Z
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@tek i don't like them because i've seen situations where people get banned for being abusive in ways which aren't covered by the CoC. While I don't have a problem with assholes being removed, it does call into question what the point of the CoC is when you can just ban people you don't like anyways.(also I have difficulty not reading it as "cock" in my head)
(DIR) Post #AWxBXDIafmSyd7VFHE by ellenor2000@mastodon.top
2023-06-22T15:27:10Z
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@tek The GNU KCG are kinda skew-wiff to me...
(DIR) Post #AWxBhiImG8QdgDb5Rw by mwl@io.mwl.io
2023-06-22T15:24:23Z
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@tek I get the concern about CoC being abused. We're in tech, concern about abuse of systems is beaten into us.But actual CoC abuse requires a whole string of failures in multiple parts of the organization. If an org allows that... maybe you weren't a good fit for them anyway?
(DIR) Post #AWxCMH38UHHn20cbjs by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-06-22T15:36:24Z
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@ellenor2000 I learned a couple new words in that sentence. 😀I haven't read them closely enough to have an informed opinion.
(DIR) Post #AWxCW5ZQ1QN8KCOyTA by ellenor2000@mastodon.top
2023-06-22T15:38:10Z
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@tek Huh, by itself it's fine. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.en.htmlBut i've heard it used by GNU operatives as a justification to refuse to gender people correctly, if their pronouns are they/them or it/its. No such justification pops out to me from skim-reading.
(DIR) Post #AWxCcWwFBGi0wX9KwS by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-06-22T15:39:21Z
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@snickerbockers It's sometimes hard to kick someone out of a large, informal organization. Take something like Python. How much time and coordination would it take to say “X can't contribute here anymore” to a dozen different working groups, taking time to build consensus with each. Not that it *should* be easy, mind you. But now at least they can say “X violated this specific rule. Adios!” and move on.(I do too. I acknowledge and accept that a large part of my brain is perpetually 12.)
(DIR) Post #AWxCr3uzMM3zHYUYZk by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-06-22T15:41:59Z
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@mwl Yep, yep, yep. Also from tech: “yikes, we can't pick X, what if X breaks every hour!” And then a year down the road: “that problem with X happened twice, and now we have a runbook to identify and fix it quickly. Also, the good parts of X are totally worth it.”That's the kind of pattern CoCs played out with me. They seemed like they *could* be bad, and they're certainly not perfect, but I think they’ve brought way more benefit than drawback.
(DIR) Post #AWxCwNu0UDMGi4ZQrQ by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-06-22T15:42:57Z
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@ellenor2000 Ugh. There's always gotta be that one asshole, huh?
(DIR) Post #AWxDC8DwXvEAiXP8RE by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-06-22T15:45:48Z
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THAT SAID, people can and do grow. I was raised in a place and time with a lot of... peculiar... notions about people who weren't straight white Christian folks. (Not from my parents! They wouldn’t tolerate that nonsense.) I realized that's not who I wanted to be, and I work to be a better person. I bet people have clear memories of much younger me being that raging bastard, though. I hope I can be judged by the person I try to be, not the person I was long ago.
(DIR) Post #AWxpVG17al68eDxCzI by GeoffWozniak@hackers.town
2023-06-22T22:55:01Z
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@tek I fully believe in giving people a chance, but sometimes they need to fall and learn a bit.
(DIR) Post #AWxpgk14Oc7AsFPDl2 by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-06-22T22:57:07Z
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@GeoffWozniak I agree. And there’s a quantitative difference between “I was an idiot some decades ago” and “I said some bad stuff last month”.
(DIR) Post #AWxqPJketVJ8Rkz8uu by GeoffWozniak@hackers.town
2023-06-22T23:05:10Z
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@tek Yes. I did some stupid stuff in my youth and I would not do it again.I'm not going to hold it against you nearly as much if you did something dumb when you were a teen versus a 50 year old public figure, for example.
(DIR) Post #AWxzhdGJzYMzl3bSTY by jai_oh@mastodon.social
2023-06-23T00:39:41Z
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@GeoffWozniak @tek I hear you and agree. Ideally, we would all be given grace for our own stupidity as a teen. However, a Black teen is not given the same grace as a white teen.
(DIR) Post #AWxzhe2t4zDaBgKFAu by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-06-23T00:49:17Z
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@jai_oh @GeoffWozniak You're right, and I hate that. I try to treat all kids the way I'd hope people would treat mine, and to teach my kids to do the same.