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(DIR) Post #AWt8grdJ0nBX3NJfCy by atomicpoet@calckey.social
2023-06-19T20:26:45.980Z
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Yet another question people are asking me: "How can I, a common person, help hasten the demise of #Meta through #ActivityPub?"Again, I want to re-emphasize this. #Fediblock is not an all-purpose tool. It's useful as a hammer. But in this scenario, we don't just need a hammer. We need drills, pliers, saws, and blowtorches. That said, we must protect communities that choose to defederate from Meta. Which means that if those servers don't want to receive messages from any Meta-owned services, we must not only be respectful of that, we should make damn sure that those servers are quarantined from Meta. So much of the success of fighting Meta will require safe spaces from Meta.The next thing we need is lots and lots of nodes. Currently, we only have ~25,000 nodes on the Fediverse but we need more. Preferably, these nodes should be small, agile, and well-moderated. If you have the finances and/or skill to run a node, it's important that you do so. To compete with Meta, we need to build scale -- and the easiest way to build scale is by adding more nodes to the Fediverse.What will also be key is lobby servers. These will be servers specifically set up for migrants from Meta-owned services to help onboard them towards the rest of the Fediverse. To run such a lobby server, they need to be welcoming, moderated well, and free of the elitists and gatekeepers that poison so much of the Fediverse currently. How to get people from Meta to try out the rest of the Fediverse? We need people willing to be ambassadors on #P92 who are ready and willing to evangelize the rest of the Fediverse. Folks like @tchambers@indieweb.social are very good at this on Twitter, and I have no doubt that we can do the same with P92. Except this time we'll have the benefit of federation already happening 😉Now if there's one thing I've learned about the growth of the Fediverse it's that bad corporate decisions pay dividends. We've already experienced waves of migration from Tumblr, Twitter, and Reddit. And I have no doubt that it's only a matter of time before Meta makes another corporate mistake -- as they tend to do. In which case, we need to strike fast. When another Cambridge Analytica happens, we need to remind everyone on Meta about the lobby servers that are on standby, and ready to take them on. Unlike previous migrations, let's not be unprepared for this. Let's be especially prepared since Meta plans to join the Fediverse. Finally, we need more devs. Specifically, we need devs willing to build innovative server and client software that takes aim at Meta. And to do that, we need to support the devs that currently exist -- show evergreen devs pondering whether they should invest here that we, as a community, are appreciative of our current devs.If you like #Mastodon, #Calckey, #Kbin, #Friendica, etc., it's important that you open up your hearts as well as your wallets and fund the next stage of Fediverse development. This will take a lot of work. But if you want to fight Meta, challenge their dominance of social media, this is what must be done.Personally, I'm hyped about the future of the Fediverse -- regardless of whether Meta eventually lives to tell the tale.
(DIR) Post #AWt8gsJqSdDFBJDdVw by darnell@one.darnell.one
2023-06-19T22:26:28Z
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@atomicpoet @tchambers What excites me most about #Threads by #Instagram is that it will be 90% easier to convince them to join the greater #Fediverse. I could maybe do it in 3 steps:☝🏾 Encourage family & friends to embrace Threads✌🏾 Interact with their Thread account with my #Misskey, #Mastodon & #Pixelfed accounts & build desire for the Fediverse proper platforms🤟🏾 Help them migrate towards the greater Fediverse.I can hardly wait!
(DIR) Post #AWt8gt8tOq2tjd6P56 by jdp23@indieweb.social
2023-06-20T04:46:12Z
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@darnell It's certainly a reasonable strategy, but from what we know, they'll be able to communicate with Insta folks from Threads but not from any of the pure-fediverse apps. If that's the case, what's so appealing that it'll outweigh that (and the hassle of setting up a new account and migrating) and bring them over?
(DIR) Post #AWt8gtrYilm5yA04hc by darnell@one.darnell.one
2023-06-20T04:50:51Z
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@jdp23 I am not sure where you are getting your info from, as #Instagram employees via leaks for weeks have made it clear that #Threads will communicate with #Mastodon, as well as other #ActivityPub apps.👉🏾 https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/8/23754304/instagram-meta-twitter-competitor-threads-activitypubVirtually every leak I have read implies Threads will be able to communicate with the #Fediverse. But I guess we will find out this month when it launches (I wonder if it will launch this week‽ Or maybe today‽)
(DIR) Post #AWt8guWKHCNu0b4dFI by jdp23@indieweb.social
2023-06-20T05:18:35Z
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@darnell sorry, I must have given the wrong impression. The leaks all say Threads will be able to communicate with the Fediverse and Instagram, details TBD. But I haven't heard anybody say that the Fediverse will be able to communicate with people on Instagram (who aren't also on Threads).
(DIR) Post #AWt8gvDDhihC9d8t6W by darnell@one.darnell.one
2023-06-20T05:22:53Z
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@jdp23 From what I read, #Threads users will need an #Instagram account to login, but they will be able to communicate with the #Fediverse overall. I am not sure if they will be able to communicate with Instagram posts, but I would not be surprised if they could.
(DIR) Post #AWt8gvyir6h2WxMp96 by kjr@qoto.org
2023-06-20T16:36:27Z
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@darnell @jdp23 it has been disclosed? Or is it just a rumor?
(DIR) Post #AWtx39ph1O89ZtvyQy by jdp23@indieweb.social
2023-06-20T05:30:54Z
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@darnell ah okay, that's where we have different expectations. I'd be extremely surprised if they allowed that. Ffrom a business perspective, what do they have to gain from it? And moderation standards here are one good reason not to. But right now who knows ... it's not even clear just what their "integration" with ActivtyPub will be. We shall see! And, thanks as always for the discussion.
(DIR) Post #AWtx3F8JJazg15gPeC by darnell@one.darnell.one
2023-06-20T05:33:00Z
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@jdp23 I think they will tolerate me doing this, as I already pay for #Instagram. My account has been a target for hacking for years, so having access to human tech support is critical.But #Threads may not be thrilled with other people doing it. 😂
(DIR) Post #AWtx3Ne9f5DgQAdxOS by jdp23@indieweb.social
2023-06-20T05:42:08Z
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@darnell Yeah, there certainly may be exceptions. From a moderation perspective I could maybe imagine them allowing users on a shortlist of vetted servers have some access (at least initially) ... I'm not sure what their incentive would be, but maybe something to do with interoperability mandates? Still it's really hard for to picture them letting single-users servers in -- in fact thinking about it, they might not even allow them access to Threads.
(DIR) Post #AWtx3OGnLQ80M0ioca by darnell@one.darnell.one
2023-06-20T05:50:24Z
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@jdp23 I think one of the reasons #Meta contacted #Fediverse admins was to see which instances #Threads should ban. Threads is going to be heavily moderated, & I would not doubt if they already have analyzed my solo instance.
(DIR) Post #AWtx3Orf8LcQCLyG5Q by malin@dice.camp
2023-06-20T22:52:04Z
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@darnell Are you sure?The Fediverse has near-perfect moderation, as anyone unhappy with the mods can go elsewhere.The Fediverse managed to move together to defederate from Gab and other bad instances.Meanwhile, Facebook was heavily implicated in a genocide, and took three years to do anything about it.Cambridge Analytica used Facebook data to interfere in multiple countries.I think the Fediverse has more to worry about than Facebook.
(DIR) Post #AWtx3PbOOKCMUBMmMi by darnell@one.darnell.one
2023-06-21T01:08:28Z
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@malin We both understand that #Facebook is not our friend. They seek world domination of the socialverse—nothing more & nothing less.However, #Meta embracing #ActivityPub is an opportunity to expose millions—if not billions to the greater #Fediverse.When #Instagram launches #Threads, it will be a pivotal moment. We will either thrive or fail. There really is no other path before us.
(DIR) Post #AWtx3QSZCcjV96FFFQ by boyter@honk.boyter.org
2023-06-21T02:00:41Z
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@darnell You don't beat the competition by blocking them, but by offering a better product.
(DIR) Post #AWuAd1JVTIKmzAJHt2 by jdp23@indieweb.social
2023-06-21T02:18:44Z
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@boyter that may be true from the product perspective, but from the community perspective when Walmart or gentrifiers try to move in the best strategy is to try to block them by any means possible -- once they get in, it's game over.@darnell
(DIR) Post #AWuAd1v5DaOMrhtISO by boyter@honk.boyter.org
2023-06-21T04:32:52Z
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@jdp23 Except that means you are splintering the fediverse.That might be fine, in which case move to your own federation. But don't be surprised if in several years you are shedding users.
(DIR) Post #AWuC7xAt0h7P50alPs by jdp23@indieweb.social
2023-06-21T04:40:12Z
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@boyter The fediverse is already splintered -- or as @oliphant says there are multiple fediverses. It's hard to know yet if different responses to Meta will cause a schism, but if it does that's a good thing. And who knows, but my guess is that over time more and more people will find the non-surveillance capitalism zone of the fediverse more and more appealing.
(DIR) Post #AWuC7xmojfSYyeL3XU by boyter@honk.boyter.org
2023-06-21T04:49:42Z
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@jdp23 Yeah it is very splintered. Which is fine. I think it should be the default choice to be honest. A lot of people on the fediverse seem to have the wrong impression about how data flows around it.
(DIR) Post #AWumiVTSYjkCEV0bTs by malin@dice.camp
2023-06-21T07:36:36Z
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@boyter we don't need to win or lose. Information and privacy could sap slowly, over decades as the platform changes. @darnell I don't see any businesses here. No competition either.
(DIR) Post #AWumiW3GPcNs1XlCHw by boyter@honk.boyter.org
2023-06-21T11:39:39Z
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@malin that’s not the prevailing sentiment. A lot seem to regard any big player joining as the end times.
(DIR) Post #AWumsGoduhAXfOZYzg by ringo@talk-here.com
2023-06-21T11:41:24.367320Z
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@p this post might interest you somewhat. cheers.
(DIR) Post #AWun5ceg1jBFAGHIPo by ringo@talk-here.com
2023-06-21T11:43:46.081803Z
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@boyter @malin the greater issue most people don't discuss because cognitive dissonance generally kicks in is this:when a big player comes into a small space, it changes the entire landscape of what was and is to be.people are easily influenced, and the confluence of said activities are readily apparent in the directional sea change in the software.just look at all the recent changes in mastodon given "projections" and all the chatter, after Gargon formed Mastodon into a mini GmBH. (or countless other non local examples over the past few decades.) Microsoft's influence on github, or other examples.
(DIR) Post #AWvLya2As0dFP7e7hg by p@freespeechextremist.com
2023-06-21T18:14:48.743406Z
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@ringo @atomicpoet I feel like he's planning around some vague thing, like what really are their plans?
(DIR) Post #AWvdWlR2g6zEc36uBs by ringo@talk-here.com
2023-06-21T21:31:26.018564Z
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@p @atomicpoet we'll have to watch I gander. My two cents? They either want to destroy the fediverse, or they want to integrate with it, and whatever happens is "part of doing business."I dunno. I'd rather not airplane conjecture, easier to watch. :)
(DIR) Post #AWve0jxYjEzKiwc6pU by boyter@honk.boyter.org
2023-06-21T21:36:51Z
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@ringo Its already sort of here. Everyone who wants to really interact does what Mastodon does because its the 900 pound gorilla in the room. It's standards win.Worst case I can see is that the network forks. Which might not be a bad situation for those who want to opt out of meta.
(DIR) Post #AWve5ZX0va0dpUV96W by ringo@talk-here.com
2023-06-21T21:37:43.702697Z
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@boyter time will tell, but yeah i hear you.