Post AWtPD5de4dEZ1Xrb1c by snooze_cat@mstdn.social
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(DIR) Post #AWt2VIM1Eo6SjBKZ8K by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T15:26:49Z
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I want to apologize again for the sudden block from mstdn to .art💔Some say it's because they where bashing on meta but that's untrue.The admin was spreading mis information about the discussion that only fueled the fire and not the discussion with knowing any of the factsIf a "user" does this we can handle accordingly but when an admin does this it's getting worrisomeWe should not figh each other but rather talk about it like adults, and also I am to blame in thisIt won't happen again
(DIR) Post #AWt2fYD98YuEnq4SbQ by Spellbind0127@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T15:28:46Z
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@stux have a great day today.
(DIR) Post #AWt2iyzM2FR0ikFxB2 by Grant_M@mastodon.social
2023-06-20T15:29:14Z
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@stux I 💛💙 you
(DIR) Post #AWt2lGBH5NkWcXuxpg by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T15:29:29Z
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Another thing I would like to adres is the death threats against mods and admins in the FediverseNo matter what you oppion is about the meta discussion, this is not acceptable behaviour and it hurt so damn muchPlease try to be civil about this so we can talk and discus this and keep the channels openBut please, stop with making death threats to people. It really has an impactLet's talk
(DIR) Post #AWt2oiHj3I44eWa8bA by pax@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T15:30:20Z
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@stux true, everyone who does this should be banned.
(DIR) Post #AWt2rM7Rv7I4m92FLk by pax@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T15:30:49Z
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@stux btw what instance will insta-block meta when they join fedi?
(DIR) Post #AWt2xipMP8WUwQbsUi by kiwi2002@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T15:32:06Z
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@stux I fully agree.Threats are beyond any level of decency. Not acceptable at all. This must not be the kind of interaction the fediverse engages in.
(DIR) Post #AWt2zFyscraM3SnK1Q by runarcn@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T15:32:17Z
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@stux :blobcathearthug:
(DIR) Post #AWt3A05e32ipxJ581w by jik@federate.social
2023-06-20T15:34:21Z
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@stux I am so disappointed in your handling of this, and this apology is no exception.You're still pointing the finger at others instead of owning your own actions. And I include in that your decision to talk with Meta under NDA.I'm not here to argue with you about this, but I do feel the need to speak out, to support others who feel as I do.
(DIR) Post #AWt3BqU2jfyWjzNDt2 by surak@mastodon.gnomos.org
2023-06-20T15:34:38Z
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@stux death threats? Seriously?Come on guys, this isn't Twitter. Let's keep it that way.
(DIR) Post #AWt3Ci5nQ2fL0QRcae by hhg@infosec.exchange
2023-06-20T15:34:41Z
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@stux holy shit man. Im so sorry you went through that. People dont realise you're basically doing volunteering work and out of the kindness of your heart.Hope you wont have to deal with this kind of people anymore. I wouldnt know how to handle it besides insta-banning them.Keep doing you, you're doing great!
(DIR) Post #AWt3LT5YZY7D4vVb6W by chiasm@mastodon.online
2023-06-20T15:35:56Z
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@stux wtf?? Threats are not acceptable behavior. I'm sorry someone involved with either instance thought it was!! Good grief!! 😡 :ablobcatheartsqueeze:
(DIR) Post #AWt3MbAG23T6PmFL9M by MagentaRocks@mastodon.coffee
2023-06-20T15:36:05Z
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@stux I ❤️ my ☕️. 🙏
(DIR) Post #AWt3NYRfcxSCGrqZyy by NorCal_Lynne@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T15:36:22Z
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@stux I understand people have strong opinions about Meta but people really need to take a hard look at those who were threatening people with violence, some of the posts were absolutely horrible.
(DIR) Post #AWt3PrE8lgbD6JcIFM by wiredfire@mas.to
2023-06-20T15:36:45Z
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@stux the whole Meta debacle is running a risk of breaking fedi before they even come onboard.. people are so worried about “embrace expand extinguish” that they’re burning down their own house before Zuck can. It’s truly crazy. I’m filtering and muting my own timeline to see if I can chip away at the noise and find that really friendly, welcoming, community we knew just a few months ago.
(DIR) Post #AWt3dSHqIBSLnupeYS by existencialismo@mastodon.online
2023-06-20T15:39:31Z
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@stux There can never be a dialogue with the mastodon ART administrator, it is irrational.
(DIR) Post #AWt3hPJ3JczzicHZxI by FaithinBones@mastodon.social
2023-06-20T15:40:17Z
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@stux block them
(DIR) Post #AWt3t7wrg4DnMKUcnw by KatM@mastodon.social
2023-06-20T15:42:21Z
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@stux Good grief, people. If you’re so upset you’re making threats, get off social media and go see a therapist.
(DIR) Post #AWt3ud23audM3MdaJE by haayman@todon.nl
2023-06-20T15:42:23Z
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@stux serieus?
(DIR) Post #AWt43FlvRccMWGCkwS by ranx@mastodon.social
2023-06-20T15:43:43Z
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@stux this is like the attempt to convince Trump he really lost the 2020 elections. you can't talk to people making death threats, just as you can't reasonably talk with poo-tin. just eradicate the problem with the ban hammer 😉
(DIR) Post #AWt4WQx8x9T1auMl4y by eco_amandine@mastodon.cr
2023-06-20T15:49:21Z
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@stux death threats aren't acceptable. I'm sorry the discussion escalated in such a bad way.
(DIR) Post #AWt4xZvZh3DnFPZlnE by cherold@zirk.us
2023-06-20T15:54:25Z
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@stux Jesus, I'm shocked this has lead to death threats. Some people see every single thing in their life as an existential crisis that requires a violent response. It's horrifying.
(DIR) Post #AWt566IBFL23wQDHKi by Pat@qoto.org
2023-06-20T15:56:04Z
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@stux >"Another thing I would like to adres is the death threats against mods and admins in the Fediverse..."In the US it is against the law to make a credible death threat. As a user, I've a few and I report them to the FBI. They take that very seriously and you never know what else is going on with someone like that so it is best to report it to the authorities who have the resources to deal with it.I would be surprised if the Netherlands doesn't have similar laws on that.
(DIR) Post #AWt5FHIXhEPagJl6OW by yildo@eozygodon.com
2023-06-20T15:57:29Z
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@stux Darn! Sending thoughts of love to everyone! 💕
(DIR) Post #AWt5GBUWlrGyxhnSqm by Pat@qoto.org
2023-06-20T15:57:46Z
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@stux >"Another thing I would like to adres is the death threats against mods and admins in the Fediverse..."In the US it is against the law to make a credible death threat. As a user, I've had a few and I report them to the FBI. They take that very seriously and you never know what else is going on with someone like that so it is best to report it to the authorities who have the resources to deal with it.I would be surprised if the Netherlands doesn't have similar laws on that.
(DIR) Post #AWt5sTfFeWRMKR4Y9w by dookie@mas.gizode.com
2023-06-20T16:04:59Z
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@stux .art deserves to remain blocked. hey would not extend you the same respect
(DIR) Post #AWt5sYWvYtkjQ4DTNY by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T16:04:45Z
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@jik Like I said, the blocking was my bad and I take my blame in thatThat doesn't take away the fact there are a lot of issues going on on the other side and it seems when someone adresses them they are the baddy..At some point it's enough..
(DIR) Post #AWt6ASpPV450wpOuIK by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T16:07:52Z
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@cendawanita @DocCarms Yes, but i think people have the wrong ideas about a "backup"It doesn't work like that unfortThe fedi is an always moving part that keeps changing, you cant restore an old database and go with that unfortWe do have backups on a daily basis but it wouldn't change this unfort
(DIR) Post #AWt6EUD6IryuOPOqI4 by jik@federate.social
2023-06-20T16:08:35Z
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@stux I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your intent is good here. In that spirit...You may well be right that there are other people involved in this debate who are behaving poorly.But sometimes you have to accept that you're not the right person to address that.You disqualified yourself from being that person by how you reacted to it.That you continue to lob criticism at the other side suggests that you don't get that.An apology with a "but" isn't an apology.
(DIR) Post #AWt9hMflhsc1H9GqX2 by Semmelstulle@mastodon.social
2023-06-20T16:47:32Z
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@stux I understand things can get heated and not everyone is self reflected. Some don't know better.But if people send DEATH THREATS it's over. People who do this need to be blocked in my opinion. Misinformation is never okay, too.
(DIR) Post #AWtANMJ7SHkKIyhWkq by stevelord@bladerunner.social
2023-06-20T16:54:56Z
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@stux what was the misinformation they spread?
(DIR) Post #AWtAjtr7P610iyLuCW by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T16:59:10Z
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@stevelord Found it..zer0 knowledge but still posting like there's no tomorrow
(DIR) Post #AWtAtNbABsdFZlPSy0 by stevelord@bladerunner.social
2023-06-20T17:00:40Z
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@stux which bit is misinformation? Apologies for drilling down but i'm not seeing specific people being named here so forgive me for not knowing who said what.
(DIR) Post #AWtBjQ9lvN9GZIPenA by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T17:10:25Z
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@tamitha @stevelord What information?
(DIR) Post #AWtByZdgx01EK0dJIG by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T17:12:51Z
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@tamitha @stevelord I did, yesterday somewhere ❤️ https://mstdn.social/@stux/110567524159195690
(DIR) Post #AWtC6t7GQ4g52rQhO4 by cynaq@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T17:14:18Z
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@stux Since you invited talking, I'll have one simple question.Why is it "let's welcome them in and wait to see if they do something bad to see if we need to kick them out" but not "let's watch from a distance what they are doing and see if they're really alright before letting them in?"This way they can use ActivityPub, and everyone has less to worry about, right? Where am I going wrong?
(DIR) Post #AWtCJMpHmgC6fEyGp6 by jbaert@mastodon.social
2023-06-20T17:16:36Z
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@stux 🙏
(DIR) Post #AWtCU0szhJJxnrmYEa by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T17:18:44Z
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@cynaq Most certain!Well, we are currently keeping a very close eye on it! If we where to thread it from the other side from what point would they be 'good enough' or 'fair' etc to join the FediWe have strickt guidelines to keep everything nice for everyone so we can ban if a rule is broken like with other instancesI do agree in this case the 'lines' are somewhat thinner if it comes to Meta since their history with FB for example
(DIR) Post #AWtCVT2KWIGVOsqHHU by stevelord@bladerunner.social
2023-06-20T17:18:52Z
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@stux @tamitha no, not what's the correct info - what's the misinformation? I saw the universeodon admin talking about making his instance into a legitimate business, but I can't find the screenshot. I saw the post you screenshotted https://mastodon.art/@Curator/110566674791224178 - and there were secret meta meetings. You seem to have a real beef with @welshpixie. Using an apology for instance blocking against your own policy as an opportunity to blame her is not what I would expect from you.
(DIR) Post #AWtCjOTSHPk5IvAcsK by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T17:21:23Z
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@tamitha @stevelord There is nothing to earn.. I think Byron means attract more users away from the Meta servers and to ours what also help with extra donations so smaller servers can also growI think people on platforms from Meta also know what's going on-ish but they may not be aware there's a much better alternative out there and need an introductionThe more people know about this wonderful place the better right? We are not an "exclusive community" at least I do not sign for that
(DIR) Post #AWtCpIQFh0eQGyUEhE by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T17:22:35Z
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@stevelord I have no clue what you want from meI have prodived the info for the mis-info yet you somehow just ignore or..I think you should re-read some stuff 😉
(DIR) Post #AWtD450PrFql0OS3Em by cynaq@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T17:24:32Z
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@stux I understand.My question is more about how the issue is framed by admins to the users of the fediverse.Instead of saying "we're pro until we need to not be", saying "we're apprehensive but not de facto dismissive" (paraphrase as needed) could work PR wonders.Maybe that's what's being said and I'm interpreting it in a more alarming way than needed but given what everyone knows about Meta, some apprehension is warranted I'd say.Have a good one!
(DIR) Post #AWtDcvJvrKtZ6QC8XY by Weirdaholic@snowmans.land
2023-06-20T17:31:25Z
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@stux You may say it's "misinformation", but speculation was bound to happen. The way, how the meeting with meta representatives went, was shady at best. Also please start to account for the perspectives, where people are coming from and how others may percieve your actions (when in doubt, ask questions). I do understand, that seemingly unjustified criticism hurts, but being that reactionary and quick with your judgement about others, only causes more problems than solving them.
(DIR) Post #AWtDqUag2MzsFtUsts by stevelord@bladerunner.social
2023-06-20T17:33:57Z
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@stux I have no idea what part is supposed to be what misinformation is but i'm also painfully aware this is turning into a hot mess and I may never find out so for the sake of both our sanity i'm backing out as I just see more people showing up to give you shit the longer our discussion goes on.
(DIR) Post #AWtDsyfz9OkO8xAIYS by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T17:34:14Z
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@Weirdaholic Absolutely and I agree! That’s why I posted my apology
(DIR) Post #AWtE5yaslfZneWybVA by matthieu_xyz@calckey.social
2023-06-20T17:29:06.646Z
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@stevelord@bladerunner.social @stux@mstdn.social slicing up a tasty chunk of those meta billionsThis part make it sounds like admins are corrupt and accepting money from Meta when it was just a meeting, no one is buying the fediverse.I’m also not sure about the "clandestine" part. It’s not a secret that they met, only the content of the meeting is secret and under an NDA is like basic procedure for any meeting with a big corpo. Especially when you’re talking about an unreleased product.The basic fact are :* Meta invited a few big actors of the fediverse for a meetingMakes sense. They’re implementing a federation feature, make sense that they’d want the input of a few actors who already run federated social network.* Meta’s condition to the meeting is an NDAKinda sucks. Totally fair to refuse an NDA. But also normal procedure for a corpo, no need to shame people who did sign the NDA.* Some admins accepted the NDA some didn’t (and didn’t join the meeting)And the reactions from the most extreme people were like:* Accusing them of treasonFor simply being in a meeting call with some Meta representative.* Accusing them of selling-out the fediverse, their instances/users or accepting moneyThis is completely wild and based on nothing* Shaming them for signing an NDAInstead of shaming Meta for demanding one in the first place.* Shaming people who DIDN’T sign the NDA and DIDN’T meet, just because they were name-dropped in some threadAbsolutely wildAnd the dot art admins are not innocent in that libel and harassment campaign. Their messages are encouraging it and certainly not helping people to clear up misunderstandings.
(DIR) Post #AWtFsDjNtKcASCWPBo by char@ioc.exchange
2023-06-20T17:56:44Z
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@stux No worries 🙏 Have a mistake it's normal, be aware of it and admit it, require humanity and kindness.I agree that always the way is talk. :ablobcatheartsqueeze:
(DIR) Post #AWtFzpyy4XXB7DRW0e by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T17:57:59Z
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@tamitha @matthieu_xyz @stevelord Uh.. I am very sure how i was contacted.. And im pretty sure you can't check my inbox.. We are all different people running different instances so not one thing goes for everyone
(DIR) Post #AWtGc2oaoDqxv3oBEm by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T18:04:35Z
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@tamitha @matthieu_xyz @stevelord I posted that also in the info post about the meta discussion 😉
(DIR) Post #AWtIIxW4U9C9tMAjzM by psymorama@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T18:23:55Z
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@stux hello. I don't contribute much but I love it here and I really value you.
(DIR) Post #AWtL1UL20zyeKyMxxw by demvoter@masto.ai
2023-06-20T18:54:20Z
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@stux I think just ignore these .art people at this point. They still have their pitchforks out and want to keep the drama going because not everyone signed onto their purity pledge.
(DIR) Post #AWtNWNtoCmjLFhUpu4 by DarkAthena@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T19:22:21Z
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@stux People were making death threats?? That outrageous and they should be reported to police and banned.
(DIR) Post #AWtNZwj9AiW48dCwT2 by the_Effekt@universeodon.com
2023-06-20T19:22:57Z
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@stux It really is a shame you were getting death threats. Of the time I've spent on here I've seen almost no one who's vibe would raise those kind of red flags.My intuition tells me that it is a group of bad actors vilifying the Fediverse... throwing poison into the punchbowl as it were.I am one of the strongest anti-corp advocates out there, and personally believe Meta has no business here at all. Their values won't change.I know the Admins aren't welcoming them in with open arms... I expect the conversation was more tech/impact based on the current Fediverse.But Meta's values aren't going to change.
(DIR) Post #AWtObYm1ImGoNesvVg by MarvinTheMartian@noc.social
2023-06-20T19:34:29Z
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@stux absolutely. There is no place for death treats in a civilized community. Also no place for meta.
(DIR) Post #AWtP79pHahsqH4Th4a by nuncio@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T19:39:44Z
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@stux Sounds like the Fediverse has gone full-on Facebook/Meta/Shitter idiot-encrusted. Nice. Let Fascism reign.
(DIR) Post #AWtPBIDELx9NRTeQwS by cainmark@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T19:40:35Z
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@stux Thank you. I understand the anger of some users, though I don't agree with the level of it.I've appreciated you as an admin who trues to do the right thing. I value you as a human being who sometimes makes mistakes.The threat of violence to anyone is unacceptable and sorry you've had to deal with it.BBS old school had problems, too.Technical problem solving doesn't help with people interactions. We're only human, and your doing the best you can.
(DIR) Post #AWtPD5de4dEZ1Xrb1c by snooze_cat@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T19:41:08Z
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@stux I'm so sorry people would even consider indulging in this level of hostility. It doesn't help anyone. It doesn't do any good.
(DIR) Post #AWtQFqjq1opXdQdjbE by Kitsunelol@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T19:52:07Z
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@stux Ah so now I think I know why one got suspended.
(DIR) Post #AWtR0xwx29vVbyEx4i by ifixcoinops@retro.social
2023-06-20T20:01:21Z
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@stux Did you get death threats, or know of someone specific who got death threats, or is this just, like, shady-ass word games you're playing here
(DIR) Post #AWtVh7adyvQTUOA9wW by nomdeb@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T20:53:28Z
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@stux Ooof. I'm so sorry you experienced that. Behavior like that should never be tolerated. Sending you hugs.
(DIR) Post #AWtVtjs3Tq0JgqK6eO by appagalcrochet@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T20:56:21Z
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@stux Nobody is perfect Stux, at least you are willing to talk unlike many in our current society. Small mistakes within a tapestry of life barely show when you stand back at look at all of your collective threads woven together. Instead... it offers character to the whole piece.Your work is really appreciated.
(DIR) Post #AWthtHeXap0VciYFs0 by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T23:09:56Z
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@maperal Please see these posts :blobcathearts: https://mstdn.social/@stux/110567524159195690
(DIR) Post #AWtigxwR9ZP8y8c2NM by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T23:19:32Z
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@ifixcoinops Well that's a big unfollow there.. ✋
(DIR) Post #AWtint1Dr38XjD9PtY by maperal@social.politicaconciencia.org
2023-06-20T23:20:47Z
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@stux Ok, thanks! So, answering the questions based on this link:1. Yes, there has been a contact, or even a meeting with Meta. This could had been done by email or even video conference ¿right?2. Meta didn't ask for an NDA from these fedi admins ¿right? They just wanted to know "things" because they want to use the protocol ¿right?Just making sure I'm understanding the posts. 🤓
(DIR) Post #AWtj3wKRJeiicwnJUO by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T23:23:37Z
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@maperal Sure thing :cat_hug_triangle: 1. Yes and yes haha! It would be indeed via digital channels since we're all over the world2. Yes they did.. I guess because some info about their project is not public so an NDA is quite standard I guess 😉
(DIR) Post #AWtsGDJCuRFGLv94qm by lscottspencer@mstdn.social
2023-06-21T01:06:46Z
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@stuxAnd a block as well from me. I won't deal with such comments. Keep your head up. @ifixcoinops@retro.social
(DIR) Post #AWtvIxelrNcMXVEX6e by lessa@infosec.exchange
2023-06-21T01:40:41Z
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@stux Death threats are a matter for the police, not a polite request to criminals to stop. 😟Who did this to you needs some time isolated from society, in jail, to reflect a little on life.
(DIR) Post #AWtz8p23TDeUiCXrIO by tyrannosaurusgirl@toot.foundation
2023-06-21T02:23:50Z
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@stux @ifixcoinops Well, if your reaction is to unfollow them, that answers the question.
(DIR) Post #AWwst17MkC6q5ow5Y0 by johngrey@mas.to
2023-06-22T11:57:12Z
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@stux Also, a crime and should be reported to police.