Post AWpl3QwxP7HeaFrDZA by aurynn@cloudisland.nz
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 (DIR) Post #AWpl3QwxP7HeaFrDZA by aurynn@cloudisland.nz
       2023-06-18T22:43:48Z
       
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       people who are opining that Facebook joining the fedi is okay didn't live through Google killing XMPP. Or anything Microsoft ever did.
       
 (DIR) Post #AWpl3RVhJx4aK06xiS by feld@bikeshed.party
       2023-06-19T01:27:07.540853Z
       
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       XMPP is far from dead though, it's just not very active federated ecosystem.
       
 (DIR) Post #AWrS6JPmMm2nGmuwhk by silverwizard@convenient.email
       2023-06-19T20:17:06Z
       
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       @feld @aurynn the fact that XMPP is starting to recovery is great. But when people say it was killed, they are referring to its community.
       
 (DIR) Post #AWrS6KNKnLgOFUmVX6 by feld@bikeshed.party
       2023-06-19T21:03:52.659556Z
       
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       The idea that there was a community that disappeared is a myth. The same one that always existed is there: the people who really want to use XMPP federation are still using it. People are just mad that a wall went up between them and their non-tech friends and family at Google and Facebook.The big federated instances like Jabber.org are still around. My account is still there since I first created it in like 2002 or whatever.But as far as XMPP usage in general goes:- ProcessOne and other companies specialize in providing XMPP expertise and make plenty of money doing it.- Billions of people every day benefit from XMPP being used to transmit data without their knowledge- lots of VOIP/SIP things end up using XMPP for the messaging transit- WhatsApp is XMPP- iMessage is XMPP- all push notifications on Apple and Google devices are XMPP (APNS and FCM speak XMPP)XMPP Federation was a *feature* of the protocol, not a requirement. The same can be said about ActivityPub.
       
 (DIR) Post #AWrY4RwWHtX8rgj7ia by owen@mastodon.transneptune.net
       2023-06-18T22:46:24Z
       
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       @aurynn I maintain that the _millisecond_ that some product manager at google believes that federation is no longer necessary for the gmail business, smtp interoperability will be replaced by some kind of (probably initially SMTP-shaped) "submit mail to gmail" interface that they can then extend arbitrarily.
       
 (DIR) Post #AWrY4U7wAPr3dg5GnA by owen@mastodon.transneptune.net
       2023-06-18T22:47:19Z
       
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       @aurynn Furthermore I also maintain that the exodus of human conversation away from email makes this date move forwards.