Post AWmgXMtfxGIDSLth44 by pairko@mastodon.cloud
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(DIR) Post #AWmFvaQGcYDXapSuMy by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2023-06-17T08:54:25Z
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First it was: "Search is bad now, I'll just use Reddit to find answers.". Now Reddit is trying to kill itself while the search engines inject falsehood generators into their pipelines for weird reasons. Finding information is gonna get a lot harder.
(DIR) Post #AWmGCz4cDt1My8dLvM by purple@social.tchncs.de
2023-06-17T08:57:38Z
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@tante what's up with those falsehood generators?
(DIR) Post #AWmGlnOlcdO0tYeuwK by amorgner@frankfurt.social
2023-06-17T09:03:53Z
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@tante Can’t help thinking of a big opportunity for journalism. My willingness to pay for fact checked information is growing.
(DIR) Post #AWmHQhfRpnZmzfy31c by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2023-06-17T09:11:22Z
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@purple There's a hype and Microsoft loves how they can have a basically insignificant product but still get Google to lose their shit
(DIR) Post #AWmIR7NWLGiqglLNNA by c3manu@chaos.social
2023-06-17T09:22:34Z
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@tante I’m still waiting for an open-source-ish search engine to pop up whose complete index is community-curated in order to make sure there’s actual value added by accepting this new URL to it.The need is obviously there.
(DIR) Post #AWmJhr5EHOtF1mKhea by number137@mastodon.social
2023-06-17T09:36:46Z
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@tante now all information is available in Discord *not*
(DIR) Post #AWmR32u2EIxDRg9GOu by elkcityhazard@indieweb.social
2023-06-17T10:59:02Z
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@tante https://docs.searxng.org/
(DIR) Post #AWmR66CKR2t6X9A2ee by alex13_h@tyrol.social
2023-06-17T10:59:14Z
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@tante exactly my feeling: and to add to that, the web in general is broken. To find a recipe, a recommendation/test of a product, tutorials etc you go on websites that are full of auto playing videos, cookie banners, Ads that look like articles, weird article recommendations and super long intros that they can place more ads
(DIR) Post #AWmSOO3wqw1b6hWdiC by bnlandor@mastodon.social
2023-06-17T11:14:08Z
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@tante "But, if you follow the chain of dominoes that falls down what they're really trying to do is shut off our access to information itself.If they can't do it by law they know there's other ways to do it." — Jello Biafra / Ice-T
(DIR) Post #AWmVQyFvYemxnf3Idk by katzenschiff@chaos.social
2023-06-17T11:48:11Z
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@tante für unsere (Haupt/Real-) Schüler ist Internet Recherche jetzt over. Sie lesen keine Artikel mehr, sondern kopieren nur das erste Ergebnis ihrer Suchanfrage mit Copy und Paste. Ist auch völlig unmöglich, da etwas einzuordnen, weil ihnen das Vorwissen fehlt. Ich stelle jetzt im Unterricht wieder auf Buchrecherche um oder drucke die relevanten Artikel auf Papier aus. 🤷♀️
(DIR) Post #AWmYg8BDF7f4mildq4 by jared@mathstodon.xyz
2023-06-17T12:24:33Z
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@tante worldcat.org and multiple friendships with (borrowing) privileges is the answer.Let’s coin a new term: call it #polylibrarious ?
(DIR) Post #AWmahvXXPOY64QC5uS by publicvoit@graz.social
2023-06-17T12:47:10Z
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@tante You're just using the wrong search engines. 🤷
(DIR) Post #AWmcGXORHGQLGo0PLc by sarahguinevere@mastodon.social
2023-06-17T13:04:44Z
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@tante The new state of the internet after recent developments has made me crave encyclopedias on a spiritual level, to such a degree that I've already made plans to visit my local library this week and just work with an encyclopedia beside me. Obvs they are not sources of objective truth either, but goodness me at least what they present is not an insult to the senses and intelligence.
(DIR) Post #AWmcOYOzPVAmiR5Mhs by John@socks.masto.host
2023-06-17T13:06:13Z
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@tante I'm calling this the anti-singularity. When (especially driven by bad AI) human knowledge breaks apart.
(DIR) Post #AWmd8DB2el9ACzKhVY by uguisubari@m.ai6yr.org
2023-06-17T13:14:16Z
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@tante It’s starting to look like the first phase of the Internet was about making information available in unprecedented ways, but the next phase is about holding information hostage. “Pay me or your precious online community gets it!”
(DIR) Post #AWmdEMFpouMe6BVPNI by amoroso@fosstodon.org
2023-06-17T13:15:35Z
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I'm relying more and more on directly visiting specific trusted sites and sources, following great human curators, and asking around to actual humans.
(DIR) Post #AWmdJLg5OJxtl5AEgy by dopeyeyes@mstdn.social
2023-06-17T13:16:30Z
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@tante @Gargron I really hadn’t thought of it this way (yet). Terrifying, honestly.
(DIR) Post #AWmdhkpdWLbQiqGj8S by anca@mastodon.xyz
2023-06-17T13:20:52Z
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@tante @Gargron librarians and journalists are going to be in high demand again!
(DIR) Post #AWmeXennBUCt509h20 by melroy@mastodon.melroy.org
2023-06-17T13:30:14Z
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@tante We just need a better alternative. Marginalia Search? https://search.marginalia.nu/
(DIR) Post #AWmes3AAJx9MQQLPOK by flockofnazguls@mastodon.flockofnazguls.com
2023-06-17T13:33:41Z
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@tante Yup! Reference librarians may once again become a thing.
(DIR) Post #AWmfECfVez2EHEZKMq by oceanwave@mastodon.social
2023-06-17T13:37:55Z
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@tante almost as if all that democratizing of information that was the hope of the early internet was bad for business or something…
(DIR) Post #AWmfbzaXwWU4eyague by harksaw@mindly.social
2023-06-17T13:42:16Z
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@tante The other day I was trying to search for a transparent image of an arrow. Should be the easiest thimg ever, right? Well there are plenty of such images but every hit on the first two pages requires you to register on their website before you can download the transparent image. What have they done to our internet?
(DIR) Post #AWmfsDsOaYVdbeg9Oy by harksaw@mindly.social
2023-06-17T13:45:11Z
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@tante Everyone is too afraid of being proven wrong to point out the fundamental drawbacks of LLMs: they do not and cannot understand what they are talking about. And so they will never be able to determine whether anything is true or false. And for any AI to have any level of modeling and understanding concepts will require an entirely different form from LLMs.
(DIR) Post #AWmgD5uxNFQj0JpT2u by Buster@woof.group
2023-06-17T13:48:54Z
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@tante tbh a return to encyclopaedia Britannica could be a positive thing, if the concept can be decolonialised.
(DIR) Post #AWmgXMtfxGIDSLth44 by pairko@mastodon.cloud
2023-06-17T13:52:35Z
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@tante #duckduckgo just keeps getting better.
(DIR) Post #AWmh2wz1pvz4LxScFM by Sean@liberal.city
2023-06-17T13:58:19Z
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@tante but finding junk to buy will be easier than ever, as well as surprisingly similar to whatever you have recently been talking about needing.
(DIR) Post #AWmhM1BISA7YsII6TI by lawnerdbarak@urbanists.social
2023-06-17T14:01:46Z
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@tante and then there’s Jimmy Wales
(DIR) Post #AWmhWV1sKknsLIsl1s by wakejagr@hachyderm.io
2023-06-17T14:03:40Z
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@tante this feels like another step in the road to the world of Reamde
(DIR) Post #AWmiIpXhMwQhraoTa4 by kainisenni@vocalounge.cafe
2023-06-17T14:12:24Z
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@tanteI have mostly given up on search engines and usually search Wikipedia or Wiktionary directly now.For things not there I usually just give up...
(DIR) Post #AWmjmv8zCvRbsTAMoC by phi1997@mastodon.social
2023-06-17T14:29:03Z
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@tanteWikipedia isn't going anywhere
(DIR) Post #AWmkoAOq4YulR5jtOC by Kevvles@mas.town
2023-06-17T14:40:28Z
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@tante I feel fairly confident that there will be an emergence of information broker type jobs surrounding this - basically just individuals that specialize in a particular field and are able to gather data from that field efficiently while sifting the factual from the non-factual, then delivering it to clients.I know similar jobs already exist for raw data, but what I mean is that I think that analytic industry as a whole is about to enter a new phase of growth
(DIR) Post #AWmlcQTsYaQ1n43ur2 by virtuous_sloth@cosocial.ca
2023-06-17T14:48:35Z
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@tante I, for one, am glad our corporate information colonial capitalist overlords are immolating themselves.
(DIR) Post #AWmmNQ8LfKe0K8OrrM by simonbp@social.linux.pizza
2023-06-17T14:57:58Z
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@tante @purple Journalist love them because they're infinite content generators
(DIR) Post #AWmp0xRNxrHwpGHjg8 by ARCANON@mastodon.social
2023-06-17T15:27:32Z
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@tante Right now you trust humans more than Ai, but this is only because of how young Ai is...
(DIR) Post #AWmpE8UUByDQrT1FRI by tp@universeodon.com
2023-06-17T15:30:00Z
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@tante Hoping that Yahoo will eventually bring back their mid-90s-esque static links page :)
(DIR) Post #AWmqDxFo4OyVxud9DE by avocado_toast@mstdn.social
2023-06-17T15:41:07Z
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@tante like I said here, I think Google is in massive trouble and not in the way they think they are: https://mstdn.social/@avocado_toast/110557838786579208
(DIR) Post #AWmrHp0QmHJjUsqXFQ by savedr@freeradical.zone
2023-06-17T15:52:59Z
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@tante
(DIR) Post #AWmrgRmOGoP2hX1Nrc by rmasoni@mastodon.social
2023-06-17T15:57:30Z
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@tante What’s wrong with DuckDuckGo?
(DIR) Post #AWmrrHlDrOl8oVdwLA by cstromblad@ioc.exchange
2023-06-17T15:59:27Z
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@tante it will be very east to find information. A lot harder finding trustworthy, accurate information however.
(DIR) Post #AWmry97EOttM1qD19M by koltpenny@mastodon.gamedev.place
2023-06-17T16:00:42Z
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@tante Back to the books.
(DIR) Post #AWmsHctrt2yVuDFP28 by Jodrell@mastodon.social
2023-06-17T16:04:13Z
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@tante @Gargron finding information is easy…people need to realise now, more than ever, that critical thinking is important
(DIR) Post #AWmst0SjFIa5hINSYC by Asimech@mastodon.social
2023-06-17T16:10:54Z
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@tante To all the people wondering about DuckDuckGo:It relies on Bing for most of its search results. Unless DuckDuckGo can reliably filter out the BS Injector's nonsense its results are going to go down with Bing.And Startpage apparently relies on Google, so it's the same thing there.
(DIR) Post #AWmu1uOpFzU9SCMPmi by thecrawford@mastodonapp.uk
2023-06-17T16:23:47Z
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@tante oh but I think finding information is going to get far far easier. It's finding correct or verified information is going to get significantly harder, and there's a lot of money in this system.
(DIR) Post #AWmw9KYoaYsIWhhRa4 by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2023-06-17T16:47:31Z
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@rmasoni duckduckgo is bing internally
(DIR) Post #AWmxne5lUT8Cditp4K by rmasoni@mastodon.social
2023-06-17T17:06:01Z
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@tante From what I heard, Bing is just one of their providers, and there’s a privacy wall between them and our data.It’s still Bing and I don’t like supporting that, but it’s not the worst of the compromises.
(DIR) Post #AWn1gsuwN4f0PRrsFU by elmuerte@idlethumbs.social
2023-06-17T17:49:35Z
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@tante I think you could make a killing by re-creating Google from early 2000. Just searching the internet with a few clearly marked ads.
(DIR) Post #AWnBCPlrAiMIrpjE8m by danielsteinbach@fediscience.org
2023-06-17T19:35:53Z
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@tante metager.de could be an option
(DIR) Post #AWnBLg6FpXjg7Jgccq by danielsteinbach@fediscience.org
2023-06-17T19:37:32Z
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@tante https://www.metager.de could be an option
(DIR) Post #AWnD4TTDjXBlvsLx9E by Kdude@mastodon.social
2023-06-17T19:57:07Z
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@tante Yea, seems like a great opportunity for whoever solves this.
(DIR) Post #AWnH7pD5lG1m2if7bs by alexanderhay@mastodon.social
2023-06-17T20:42:35Z
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@tante During my lecturing days, I did warn my students that there was neither anything inevitable nor permanent about the Web, that it might fade away as Minitel and Teletext did. Many scoffed, but here we are...
(DIR) Post #AWnI9U0pe2SWpgHYyu by gerbrand@fosstodon.org
2023-06-17T20:54:05Z
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@tante @purple google is frustrated: Microsoft got away with training their chatbot using data harvested via their search engine. Google didn't because they knew that is illegal and wouldn't get away with it. #chatgpt
(DIR) Post #AWnQnbrafph2OlbXRg by kevinrns@mstdn.social
2023-06-17T22:30:56Z
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@tante Donate to wikipedia today, and lets contemplate a Wikipedia of breaking ongoing news.
(DIR) Post #AWnn4IUi8eCEF0GUxU by gkashtan@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T02:40:30Z
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@tante I have been using Duck Duck Go as my search engine for the last year. Reminds me of the old google.
(DIR) Post #AWnz711kjgtqO1maxM by robert@rah.social
2023-06-18T04:55:28Z
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@tante @tchambers If anyone hasn’t trie me Kagi I can recommend it. Very interesting business model with a distinct lack of the users being the product. I am trialing it now and seriously considering paying for it and switching it to my default search engine
(DIR) Post #AWnzAOZJfMvoGe5qmu by mookie@trouble.social
2023-06-18T04:56:05Z
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@tante Or the masses will be misinformed at an even quicker pace.
(DIR) Post #AWnzfPnJ9vjj2uQg4m by costrike@mastodon.social
2023-06-18T05:01:40Z
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@tante Meanwhile, we'll be buried in misinformation and disinformation. Wheeeeeee
(DIR) Post #AWoY3bGrXOKi21xOuO by polx@mastodon.online
2023-06-18T11:27:01Z
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@tante A cool thing or?It's time people wake up that information literacy requires some tech understanding!
(DIR) Post #AWpZICxkUXjo64VRnk by 0rkk0@mastodon.uy
2023-06-18T23:15:30Z
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@tante let alone finding the truchas :ablobsweating:
(DIR) Post #AWppDV8t4TkMIaUfWC by alex@blog.mbe.tv
2023-06-19T02:14:01Z
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@tante that weirdo who bought the last remaining print encyclopedia is starting to look more and more like a genius.
(DIR) Post #AWq6nsvvnCUrjOMu6y by Retrosponge@oldbytes.space
2023-06-19T05:31:04Z
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@tanteI read something the other day, an article about the death of the useful internet and how we're living through it now. @smallsco
(DIR) Post #AWr8BjQD6PHeIGQTPE by glassresistor@sfba.social
2023-06-19T17:21:11Z
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@tante *xkcd graph* "finding stuff" doing a complete noose dive in 2023 while "knowing stuff" reaches a post 2005 high
(DIR) Post #AWsTwrcYjCThWqTfqi by aberl@mastodon.social
2023-06-20T08:59:49Z
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@tante I have the feeling that I will donate money to Wikipedia again this year, even though Wikipedias control is still centralised to privileged rich white cis men etc. with little self-check, at least their platform works better than the usual surveillance-funded ones from the USA.