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(DIR) Post #AWiJI7kKvY9GXtS2Ge by andrew@fedi.aeracode.org
2023-06-14T17:19:56Z
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This article captures something that's really been on my mind lately - how do we prepare for the end of a useful open Internet? https://defector.com/the-last-page-of-the-internetI don't think it's possible to stop the tide of meaningless text and spam that LLMs will wreak on an open system, but how do we build sustainable semi-closed ones? I really don't want Discord to be the end result, as it's both totally unsearchable and will get more and more user hostile over time, much like Reddit.
(DIR) Post #AWiJI8f3WfWDNnzKfw by andrew@fedi.aeracode.org
2023-06-14T17:23:43Z
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Forum software like Discourse might seem like the obvious avenue for those of us who have been around a while, but it both doesn't appeal to everyone and can be expensive to run (the Django Forum keeps blowing through their pricing tiers).And while I'd love to write something to fill the gap - what could I do differently? How do you solve the natural problem that any hosting needs money, yet most of these communities are unable to pay very much?
(DIR) Post #AWiJI9VWNbUC0WXES8 by daisy@cloudisland.nz
2023-06-15T10:58:29Z
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@andrew not sure if this is directly related, but I kind of like the idea of a federated-decentralised hybrid. So something where the actual distribution of content and all the bandwidth intensive stuff is P2P, but all the things that are hard or impossible to make user-friendly (identity, discoverability, account recovery, key management, etc) happen on a federation of identity servers or something.
(DIR) Post #AWiJIAIRRicMSFQIhk by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-15T11:13:21Z
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@daisy > where the actual distribution of content and all the bandwidth intensive stuff is P2P, but all the things that are hard or impossible to make user-friendly... happen on a federation of identity serversThat's really insightful. A precedent; matrix folks have been working towards a hybrid-P2P variation. Where a personal homeserver can be run on any consumer-grade device, and federate as an equal peer with homeservers running on traditional hosting:https://matrix.org/blog/2020/06/02/introducing-p-2-p-matrix@andrew
(DIR) Post #AWiJIBLJYWVfhRm6oy by daisy@cloudisland.nz
2023-06-15T11:01:45Z
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@andrew I think that might be a good way of solving the “running a mastodon/lemmy/etc server is expensive” problem and a lot of the social problems and perverse incentives that arise from that, but I’m also certain that there’s going to be a different set of pitfalls I haven’t thought of and a real risk of creating a “worst of both worlds” design.Also this is the sort of thing I’d love to dedicate time to working on, but not quite as much as I like having a stable, reliable income :(
(DIR) Post #AWiJIDA2nOgPL4W8X2 by andrew@fedi.aeracode.org
2023-06-14T17:27:11Z
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And at the end of the train of thought, always comes the issue of anonymity and reputation. I believe strongly people need to be allowed pseudonyms and different identities, but maybe not total anonymity? How do you allow people to explore your community and find themselves while not allowing spammers to exploit it?I know far better people than I are trying to answer the question, and Eternal September has been a problem forever, but it still chills me to think about it.
(DIR) Post #AWiJIFLoebHu8A2Z9s by andrew@fedi.aeracode.org
2023-06-14T17:29:28Z
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Rather than burning down the Library of Alexandria, we're just going to let it mostly be filled with lies and adverts, which might even be worse.
(DIR) Post #AWiJRz7Vr0jUghzfii by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-15T11:15:10Z
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@daisy As I understand it so far, one of the most expensive things with remote hosting is storage. It's the main reason PeerTube servers are so expensive to host. If the videos could be stored in a BitTorrent swarm on supporters PCs (desktops and home servers that are usually on), and PT servers were just portals for accessing the videos from those swarms, they would cost a fraction of what they do.@andrew
(DIR) Post #AWiJhWEuzzr1kXrgSe by daisy@cloudisland.nz
2023-06-15T11:17:58Z
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@strypey @andrew yeah, that’s exactly my thinking
(DIR) Post #AWiKL91kimEHLDbMYa by carlton@fosstodon.org
2023-06-14T18:41:07Z
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@andrew This prompts thoughts from ≈a decade ago—but maybe feasible now—… 🤔 ≈ You follow your trusted sources, but also recommend them. Others do the same. We each ingest from the wider graph according to a *reputation-rank* flowing from your follows. (You recommend a link, it's ranked highly for me, because I trust you.) Something like this is why I'm optimistic about federation: we federate the aggregation, rather than out-sourcing it. 🤷♀️
(DIR) Post #AWiKLE7bmQst8pNbsW by andrew@fedi.aeracode.org
2023-06-14T18:43:58Z
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@carlton The continuing problem with federation, though, is making it so not everyone has to be a sysadmin, or pay for a massive server. This is why Matrix is somewhat doomed, I think.
(DIR) Post #AWiKLJO6CY2vTQ8LmC by freakboy3742@cloudisland.nz
2023-06-15T10:25:58Z
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@andrew @carlton This. The company that works out how to manage deployment and basic management of small-to-medium sized cloud services will make a mint. Think containers, but for the entire server stack, with a UX For upgrades that is “click button, receive bacon”, with easy migration between hosting providers.
(DIR) Post #AWiKLOc6ltDtgJj6o4 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-15T11:25:00Z
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@freakboy3742 > Think containers, but for the entire server stack, with a UX For upgrades that is “click button, receive bacon”, with easy migration between hosting providersThere are a number of projects attempting something roughly like this. Are you familiar with @sandstorm? @yunohost? #LibreServer (@bob)? @andrew @carlton
(DIR) Post #AWiL6RrCWvWhLqDqoS by astrojuanlu@social.juanlu.space
2023-06-15T11:00:48Z
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@andrew Make backend-only apps in efficient languages to make hosting costs as low as possible, and shift almost all of the computing and rendering to local-first client apps and p2p networks.In a post-growth world with scarcity of energy, water and other resources, and after seeing that Big Tech is not happy with providing free infrastructure over long periods of time, I think this is the only way.I'm wondering what role will Python play in that though 😢
(DIR) Post #AWiL6SqWquaCQ2upP6 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-15T11:33:40Z
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@astrojuanlu> backend-only apps in efficient languages Existing examples:Plero/Akkoma (Elixir, older than Mastodon!)Lemmy (Rust)GoToSocial (Go, singer-user)Vervis (Haskell, reference implementation of code forge federation)Spritely (Racket, experimental project by AP co-author @cwebber )> In a post-growth world with scarcity of energy, water and other resources, and after seeing that Big Tech is not happy with providing free infrastructure over long periods of timeThis!@andrew
(DIR) Post #AWiLLHFQG1xGn5cfei by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-15T11:36:22Z
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@astrojuanlu FYI you can search fediverse software projects by language here:https://fediverse.party/en/miscellaneous/This site is a bit out-of-date, so some of these may have stalled, and many others aren't yet listed.Is that a fair assessment @lightone ?@cwebber @andrew
(DIR) Post #AWiLfjJ9dkMbbr7YW0 by aerique@genart.social
2023-06-14T18:50:37Z
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@andrew People should start signing their posts, pictures, videos, etc. with their private key and build a reputation that way.The technology already exists but I don't dare mentioning it here since there has been a multi-year campaign of saying it is bullshit and has no use.
(DIR) Post #AWiLfk8YYdTqBHAbdQ by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-15T11:40:03Z
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@aerique> people should start signing their posts, pictures, videos, etc. with their private key and build a reputation that wayAre you familar with HoloChain? It's not a BlockChain, despite the name, although it does use some of the same underlying data structures. There are a number of social media and messaging apps in development for it:https://www.buyholo.net/en/use/ @andrew
(DIR) Post #AWiM4Q0IY7yQyj4cBE by jwilker@wandering.shop
2023-06-14T20:21:53Z
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@andrew I've wondered about this for a while now, too. I almost feel like all of these “Get the users, figure out money” Web 2.0 Valley businesses need to fail so we can get passed it. To me the answer is offering tiers. Not everyone can or will pay, but offering enough value to those that can/will and get the value and maybe get a better experience, might be the answer. Software isn't and shouldn't be free. We traded our data for 'free' stuff, but used to pay for it. 1/2
(DIR) Post #AWiM4Qvj6buXqpwTh2 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-15T11:44:32Z
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@jwilker > Software isn't and shouldn't be free. We traded our data for 'free' stuff, but used to pay for itI probably agree with your underlying argument here, but on the face of it, I disagree with both of these statements. People never really got into the habit of paying for software, which is the problem proprietary business models are a futile attempt to solve. Because software is a non-rivalrous good, and as long as we have the net it's effectively free to distribute. (1/?)@andrew
(DIR) Post #AWiMX7KL4I3TS38Eu8 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-15T11:49:43Z
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@jwilkerWhat isn't free, and can't be infinitely copied, is dev time, hardware, and other people's computers ("cloud" hosting). The question we need to solve is how to pay for these things, *without* trying to sell bags of air as a commodity, which is what selling software is akin to.There's no silver bullet. Freemium services, as you say, is one model. Subscriptions are another. Grants (public and philanthropic) another. Selling hardware and paying devs is another (eg Purism) etc @andrew
(DIR) Post #AWiMdS9yWcHLniJ0oS by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-15T11:50:52Z
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@jwilkerWhat isn't free, and can't be infinitely copied, is dev time, hardware, and other people's computers ("cloud"). The question we need to solve is how to pay for these things, *without* trying to sell bags of air as a commodity, which is what selling software is akin to.There's no silver bullet. Freemium services, as you say, is one model. Subscriptions are another. Grants (public and philanthropic) another. Selling hardware and paying devs is another (eg Purism) etc (2/2) @andrew
(DIR) Post #AWidET5HeLm8eHmcWO by jwilker@wandering.shop
2023-06-15T14:56:46Z
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@strypey Mostly agree. Though I think pre Facebook/twitter paying for software was pretty commonplace. Photoshop, Office, Omni group apps, etc. All had a price tag But yeah to the larger point, that alone isn't really a perfect solution and the chickens are out of the coop and won't go back in. Finding a new approach is the real solution we need. And (to me) it will never be "monetize users" :D
(DIR) Post #AWjJHTcyHYohHGepSC by wakame@tech.lgbt
2023-06-15T22:47:57Z
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@strypey @jwilker @andrew People have been paying for software. And they still do.The main point of web 2.0/social media/stuff in the cloud was:You get something for free that costs money. In return, the company that pays for the servers, the software etc. gets... tracking data, free moderation, information about your social network and so on.Maybe people should realize that they always paid in one way or another. That cloud stuff was never "free".
(DIR) Post #AWjP4Hds8Fim48AfNQ by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-15T23:52:50Z
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@jwilker> Photoshop, Office, Omni group apps, etc. All had a price tag True. But vendors found, to their chagrin, that most people found ways to get that software without paying that price. That's why they were so excited when things like GoggleDocs showed that SaaSS (Service as a Software Substitute) was possible.Paid mobile apps (like some of those whose devs are getting screwed by Reddit) show that some people will pay to support dev. But so does Mastodon running on donations.(1/2)
(DIR) Post #AWjQtLFoYvhFzUpR6u by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-16T00:13:16Z
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@jwilker> Finding a new approach is the real solution we need. And (to me) it will never be "monetize users"💯%. Frank Karlitschek of NextCloud did a great talk in 2020 about different models for making a living off liberating software:https://conf.tube/w/27544846-10ad-4afd-9c6c-bc3b05129e06
(DIR) Post #AWjS1THEiWL790vxyq by jwilker@wandering.shop
2023-06-16T00:25:51Z
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@strypey I think Google Docs, et. Al. Were the first nail in the software coffin. “Have a free office suite, we’ll just scan everything you do and sell it as ad data.”I think FOSS approaches are definitely a needed part of the solution, same as models like funding Masto instances. I wish I had even an inkling of a solution :\
(DIR) Post #AWjVUq21UjHzydVrd2 by wakame@tech.lgbt
2023-06-15T23:02:55Z
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@strypey @jwilker @andrew The fun part with software is: Since reproduction costs are practically 0, software can be very cheap, given enough users.While a fedi instance can only handle x users or a moderator can only manage a community of size y, a piece of software that is used by 100.000 people, of which 10% pay a dollar (or euro) a month, that is one or two developers full time.
(DIR) Post #AWjVUqzZvIvaxLNQSO by ATyj8GNyvVJIXkGeLA.lori@cambrian.social
2023-06-16T00:05:38Z
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The awkward thing here is that I never know whether I should be one of the 10%. I'd guesstimate my income/status/career-success level as 10th percentile among Americans, but probably something like 90th percentile worldwide. It's reached the point where many creators (such as "YouTubers") are underlining that the crowdfunding break in their routine is intended to pester only the economically established members of their audience, but somehow I still feel like a freeloader. Same when public broadcaster points out that if 10% of audience gave (some painless-for-most amount of $) then they would have met their fundraising goals 2 hours into the pledge drive or something. And yet with each passing year the pledge drives get more and more infomercial-y and woo peddle-y and otherwise icky, When I was a kid, they'd run a 2-3 minute pledge break during some show (say Nova) panning the camera to the volunteers answering the phones, etc. Now they basically suspend all regularly scheduled programming for a couple of weeks and run "pledge programming" around the clock. Thing is, ALL aspects of the monetization model constantly get more aggressive. The pledge drives get farther and farther into alt-med woo gurus and their DVDs (at the $60 pledge level), but no sooner does I the viewer get resigned to the "fact" that the alt-med woo of the pledge breaks funds the science programming between the pledge breaks, and then I the viewer tune in to Nova and the first thing I see is a loud proclamation that Nova is made possible by the David H. Kock Fund for Science. I can see more viewer-directed fundraising for more independence from corporate donors, as life in the entropic universe entails tradeoffs, but what I can't forgive is all the monetization dials turned up to 11 all the time. There is clearly something other than donor fatigue at work here, perhaps some sort of cost disease.
(DIR) Post #AWjVUrixCbDxE4bfBQ by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-16T01:04:49Z
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Any chance you can edit that post and chop it into paragraphs @lori? My brain poor old brain is totally unable to parse that much text without line breaks@wakame @jwilker @andrew
(DIR) Post #AWjW82FW0HwfAAVx1k by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-16T01:11:57Z
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@wakame Don't get me wrong, I'm *not* saying there's no way to get people to pay for the things I listed that are actually finite and rivalrous. But selling bits of software like bread, with a price tag per loaf, isn't going to pay for all of it. See :https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/110550920089719232@jwilker @andrew
(DIR) Post #AWjWX11DiRtoaOjuIi by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-16T01:16:27Z
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@jwilker>I wish I had even an inkling of a solutionAre you familiar with Platform Cooperatives like social.coop and meet.coop?https://platform.coop/
(DIR) Post #AWkBcN1NR0peOVU7Ye by wakame@tech.lgbt
2023-06-16T08:56:25Z
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@strypey @jwilker @andrew The problem with Photoshop etc. in my opinion is the deeply capitalist/profit-oriented mindset of those companies.Paying (I don't quite remember) ~700€ for Photoshop makes sense as a company or professional user. Of course your average user would rather copy it from somewhere.I think that would actually be a good strategy for a software company: People perceive the softwares "worth", and the "free" users still learn your UI metaphors etc.The problem was that Adobe felt cheated. Similar to the music industry they thought that they were entitled to 700€ from every user.So they made it harder to rip Photoshop, resulting in casual users switching to alternatives, e.g. GIMP.
(DIR) Post #AWkDWn0A7wLf8rNozQ by lightone@mastodon.xyz
2023-06-16T09:16:17Z
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@strypey Yes, many new projects aren't listed yet. For stalled ones curation is very non-strict, they'll be listed until officially abandoned or in limbo for more than 1-1.5 years.
(DIR) Post #AWldGC1SdeHBmohIZs by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-17T01:41:15Z
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@lori> what I can't forgive is all the monetization dials turned up to 11 all the timeThis is a 'race to the bottom' dynamic at work. I notice a similar thing every time I sign up for a new website. I get bombed with email reminding me to visit the site again and make use of my new account. Every year the email flood from new signups seems to get deeper.(1/2)@wakame @jwilker @andrew
(DIR) Post #AWldc7TSELA83BFLO4 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-17T01:45:14Z
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@loriMarketing people think this kind of nagging works and it does... up to a point. Beyond that it just starts feeling like being persistently poked in the face by a bored toddler. But I guess marketers are now think they have to do persistent face-poking, because all their competitors are. Like any arms race, it benefits no one.(2/2)@wakame @jwilker @andrew
(DIR) Post #AWleUkRnXpKkYrWLXU by jwilker@wandering.shop
2023-06-16T00:15:32Z
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@lori @strypey @wakame @andrew Ah that’s a fair concern for sure. Not sure there’s a right or great answer to that. I know for me, it’s both. Sometimes I wish I could donate/pay more and other times I’m happy with freeloading depending on the thing.
(DIR) Post #AWleUlX9VPD7vl28WW by wakame@tech.lgbt
2023-06-16T08:48:24Z
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@jwilker @lori @strypey @andrew "The awkward thing here is that I never know whether I should be one of the 10%."I feel similar. And I think that there lies a "chance" in that.The "problem" with donor funding is: It relies on trust between creators/companies and fans/customers/users.This trust can easily break through intransparency or bad behavior by the creators/companies (especially "give us much more money already" behavior).The more you nag your customers, the more you insist that non-paying customers are "freeloaders", the more you alienate them.Platforms like Open Collective aim to make transparent what happens with the money. Patreon creators often use a similar approach.In my opinion, this could be a future role model. Because both sides depend on each other.
(DIR) Post #AWleUmEOubo05tGfw0 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-17T01:55:06Z
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@wakame> Platforms like Open Collective aim to make transparent what happens with the moneyFundraise for something specific, so the amount needed is finite. Even if that's annual operating costs. With a regularly updated graphic showing towards the goal. Like the old mercury thermometer graphic for fundraising, where the monetary 'mercury' rises on the graphic as it gets closer to the funding target. Then we don't feel like we're just dropping money into a black hole.@jwilker @lori @andrew
(DIR) Post #AWleabOU7NN6DhlKGu by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-17T01:56:10Z
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@wolftune and the @snowdrift crew have some insightful thoughts about all this fundraising for public goods stuff.@wakame@jwilker @lori @andrew
(DIR) Post #AWlfZKR9mHbdIGy7eK by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-17T02:07:05Z
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@wakame> So they made it harder to rip Photoshop, resulting in casual users switching to alternatives, e.g. GIMPExactly. I have a friend who needed an image editing app at work, but only for a few basic things. He told his managers they could either pay for a PhotoStop license, let him use a ripped copy illegally at work, or get the IT dept to download GIMP at no charge, without breaking the law. Guess what they picked? GIMP of course.@jwilker @andrew
(DIR) Post #AWlfoo9dZU0Vnw9gci by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-17T02:09:57Z
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@wakameNow, if GIMP sold a one-time commercial license for, say, $50, they probably would have paid it. Even if they knew they didn't have to.Most people in business understand that even a free lunch has to be paid for by someone, or it stops being served. Imagine what the GIMP devs could do with $50 from even 1% of people making commercial use of it!@jwilker @andrew
(DIR) Post #AWlgBROiLYhnsz02PQ by ATyj8GNyvVJIXkGeLA.lori@cambrian.social
2023-06-16T12:58:54Z
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Adobe is higher than Apple on my IP-hawk shit list. They got there with the product they call "Flash." Probably the only web-wide trend I actually agree with is the rapid disadoption of Flash, although I suspect "WebAsm" might turn out to be the next Flash.Anyway, when Flash was a thing, I found that I couldn't install it on Firefox on Linux, could install it on Google Chrome (but OF COURSE not Google Chromium) on Linux, and could install it on Firefox on Windows. I don't understand the technical details, but the whole drama boils down to the NPAPI vs. PPAPI (aka "pepper") thing that was going on for a moment. Anyway, the ultra-hard rule seemed to be that Adobe company policy was to make its product available only to those whose tech stack included at least one of (1) proprietary browser or (2) proprietary operating system.Adobe remains at the top of my shit list to this day, these days largely for fuckery surrounding the unfortunate de-facto standard that is "pdf." The complaints the artist types have with the new pricing model for Photoshop is intriguing. I sincerely hope at least a few of them get angery enough to become full-throated copyleftists such as myself, but IP is the bread and butter of the creative arts, so I'm not holding my hopes especially high.
(DIR) Post #AWlgBS5bm516214IGe by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-17T02:14:01Z
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@lori> I suspect "WebAsm" might turn out to be the next FlashIf you mean WebAssembly, I doubt it. AFAIK it's a standardised language, like JavaScript. Not a corporate-owned product that needs a proprietary plugin from that company to work.@alcinnz is an expert on this. @wakame @jwilker @andrew
(DIR) Post #AWlj5fXb9JCtsL5ub2 by wakame@tech.lgbt
2023-06-17T02:46:35Z
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@strypey @wolftune @snowdrift @jwilker @lori @andrew Thanks for the tip. Snowdrift looks interesting, I need to look at it as soon as I have two open eyes :blobcatgiggle:
(DIR) Post #AWlk26XWvSsMPHvVzM by wolftune@social.coop
2023-06-17T02:57:07Z
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@strypey @snowdrift @wakame @jwilker @lori @andrew > Software isn't and shouldn't be freeSoftware **development** isn't and shouldn't be free. Once produced, it can be a public good, and "public goods shouldn't be free" amounts to saying "public goods shouldn't exist".> non-rivalrousI promote getting away from the standard economics language. "non-rivalrous" means the default is rivalry. I prefer "abundant" (vs "scarce"). See https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/why-our-economy-fails-public-goods-like-free-software-bf79/
(DIR) Post #AWlzc3ThHlo0eFjbBw by alcinnz@floss.social
2023-06-17T05:51:42Z
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@strypey @lori @wakame @jwilker @andrew I'd say it @lori @wakame @jwilker @andrew I'd say it depends on what you mean by "the next Flash".WebASM looks it'll likely be used similarly, but it's unlikely it'll require a clunky & discriminatory install separate from your browsers. Unless ofcourse you're running something like Netsurf, Lynx, or mine...
(DIR) Post #AWlzdxrX8QzBoLnIjA by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-17T05:52:06Z
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@wolftune> Software **development** isn't and shouldn't be freeAgreed. I made that point in the next post.> "non-rivalrous" means the default is rivalry. I prefer "abundant"Fair point. But "abundant" doesn't quite make the point. Insects are abundant, but there's still a finite number of them. Not so with copies of software, whether as source code, binaries, or packaged distributions.@snowdrift @wakame @jwilker @lori @andrew
(DIR) Post #AWmDf3faQaMLTCcc52 by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
2023-06-17T08:29:11.817190Z
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@andrew What ever was the problem with BBS style self hosted forums? They aren't expensive to host, and from what I can tell, people only moved away from them because it's mildly more convenient to have everything in one central website or application like Reddit or Discord where you only have one account for all the communities you want to join.When unsustainable platforms like Reddit disappear from the web, why shouldn't BBS forums make a comeback?
(DIR) Post #AWmDprXbrW552U2hfM by colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com
2023-06-17T08:31:08.033242Z
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@taylan @andrew Why not federated forums like lemmy, kbin, lotide, brutalinks, etc
(DIR) Post #AWmDvKFEZPoHVf3Jaa by colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com
2023-06-17T08:32:09.851596Z
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@taylan @andrew And you really want forum ui then lemmybb exists.
(DIR) Post #AWmuhFv29X8e4I8pJw by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
2023-06-17T16:31:25.498340Z
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@colinsmatt11 @andrew I haven't looked closely at these but the whole federation stuff confuses people a lot, and probably makes moderation a nightmare.
(DIR) Post #AWmzJHlI9IZubXySES by colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com
2023-06-17T17:23:05.620514Z
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@taylan @andrew Federation is not confusing but unfamiliar.Moderation can a nightmare due to lack of tools.
(DIR) Post #AWn5n6MtfovvgHAFV2 by wolftune@social.coop
2023-06-17T18:35:34Z
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@strypey > Insects are abundant, but there's still a finite number of them*Economically*, what matters is abundance, not infinity; whether there *is* rivalry or exclusion, not whether something has the capacity for rivalry or exclusion.Anyway, insect abundance is *disappearing*!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_in_insect_populationsRe: copies, it's how trivial or costly it is, some hard things are getting easier, and even software requires hardware & bandwidth for copying@snowdrift @wakame @jwilker @lori @andrew