Post AWgBDSEdJ4kInI7XLU by ringo@talk-here.com
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(DIR) Post #AWaXFiCnb2NjyopMSO by monsieuricon@social.kernel.org
2023-06-11T17:10:23.454940Z
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Everything happening with Reddit will happen with GitHub.
(DIR) Post #AWaZ0KzXp2bBY3QNLk by tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com
2023-06-11T17:31:28.891219Z
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@monsieuricon @lanodan Both are hubs for gits.
(DIR) Post #AWac9KmSHBnLMWHdSa by monsieuricon@social.kernel.org
2023-06-11T17:19:51.561789Z
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I'm not saying "GitHub is bad" or "don't use GitHub" -- it's a great platform and if it solves your problem, totally go ahead and use it. I'm just saying that it's a business and at some point someone is going to crunch some numbers and say "hey, these guys are popular and it would be nice if they brought in more revenue," and this is how enshittification starts.
(DIR) Post #AWamyK9ZMns1jA30ee by art@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-06-11T20:08:19Z
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@monsieuricon Reddit didn't really have any large competition where there are quite a few very capable Git solutions.
(DIR) Post #AWbMkrHWTO01OqB4qm by Tony@clew.lol
2023-06-12T02:49:18.286260Z
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going public and becoming insufferable?
(DIR) Post #AWbSX3LaHAEypNVGqG by bitbucket90@k8s.social
2023-06-11T22:32:33Z
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@falktx @monsieuricon it’s all about bringing us to slaughter. Convenience is the new epidemic.
(DIR) Post #AWbg4YlRmsX9E6uMro by niclas@angrytoday.com
2023-06-12T06:25:45Z
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@monsieuricon Interesting prediction...
(DIR) Post #AWc7YNxLEYhl9huyzw by jacobrogers256@tech.lgbt
2023-06-11T17:22:21Z
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@monsieuricon hot take: there should be a service like GitHub that is run by governments and nonprofits.
(DIR) Post #AWc7tHhtfAPXr6ewr2 by monsieuricon@social.kernel.org
2023-06-11T17:26:15.238115Z
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@jacobrogers256 enshittification works there, too, because there's always a strong drive to cut costs and strong lobbying from the industry to not compete with the private sector. It just enshittifies in different ways, usually via neglect, decay, or overwhelming red tape.
(DIR) Post #AWc7tIIlS5txhRuOJs by jacobrogers256@tech.lgbt
2023-06-11T17:27:49Z
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@monsieuricon well, what else could you do other than run a crucial service by people that don't have a monetary interest in it?
(DIR) Post #AWc7tInbbQZVF6L1OK by monsieuricon@social.kernel.org
2023-06-11T17:28:52.905858Z
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@jacobrogers256 make sure you can export full project history and have a plan B.
(DIR) Post #AWc7tL0ROg1k5UMIfw by jacobrogers256@tech.lgbt
2023-06-11T17:29:24Z
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@monsieuricon but a lot of programmers can't self host.
(DIR) Post #AWc7tLksc1AqPW5O3k by eliasp@mastodon.social
2023-06-11T18:59:42Z
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@jacobrogers256 once the underlying tech is #OpenSource and federated, you'll just move to a different node in your network.This will hopefully soon be possible with code-forges like @forgejo, @gitea and #GitLab.This is IMHO crucial in the constant fight against enshittification, since it reduces the outfall of local incentives of single operating entities.See also: https://forgefed.org/@monsieuricon
(DIR) Post #AWc8JrLBnfSZtui5GC by mhoye@mastodon.social
2023-06-11T19:43:22Z
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@vmstan @monsieuricon Bet on it. In the long run, proprietary services, like proprietary software, don’t exist.
(DIR) Post #AWcAMKEDZFrtyukjUu by anotherposter@shitposter.club
2023-06-12T12:05:04.791410Z
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@monsieuricon I really hope so. I hope it'll happen tomorrow if that's possible.
(DIR) Post #AWctN82YrbwUPM3dui by cinebox@hackers.town
2023-06-11T22:22:07Z
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@monsieuricon I just hope Gitea can become a viable alternative in time (I say, wearing my @gitea shirt lol)
(DIR) Post #AWctN96qt8y7ix4aEy by Eunakria@mastodon.online
2023-06-12T20:24:12Z
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@cinebox @monsieuricon @gitea I use Gitea as part of my homelab setup and love it! my only real gripe is that there's no good option for self-hosted CI (yes, I've tried Drone and gave up on it) but hey, open source is so awesome for a reason!
(DIR) Post #AWctN9vBrzEcF4cmhc by gitea@social.gitea.io
2023-06-12T20:25:48Z
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@Eunakria @cinebox @monsieuricon what about the built-in self hosted CI in Gitea?
(DIR) Post #AWctu4oLtHUVwu7duC by mbirth@mastodon.social
2023-06-12T08:15:06Z
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@cinebox @monsieuricon @gitea Is #Gitea cleared for use again or is it still #Forgejo / #Codeberg we should be using? I’ve lost track…
(DIR) Post #AWctu5ok9JOl4PJT9c by silmaril@chaos.social
2023-06-12T18:04:45Z
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@mbirthWhose clearance do you need?If you are looking for a complete service, use #Codeberg.If you wish to host it yourself, install #Gitea or #Forgejo. You may change from one of them to the other any time by simply replacing the binary. As far as I can see, Forgejo has some extra features, while containing everything Gitea offers — plus Forgejo isn't 'owned' by a commercial entity.@cinebox @monsieuricon @gitea
(DIR) Post #AWctu6ZXLKpRPXCq5g by gitea@social.gitea.io
2023-06-12T20:31:17Z
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@silmaril @mbirth @cinebox @monsieuricon please see our last quarterly report showing the results of the community election with the support of an independent election observer and how the community remains in control of the project https://blog.gitea.io/2023/02/gitea-quarterly-report-23q1/
(DIR) Post #AWcuDn1Nk60MZBcIs4 by Eunakria@mastodon.online
2023-06-12T20:31:37Z
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@gitea @cinebox @monsieuricon oh *wow* I am late to the party. I think last time I was mucking around with CI was Jan-Feb? which is before v1.19. I saw some people mention Gitea had built-in CI at that point but I couldn't find any documentation on the feature, so I assumed they were referring to some early concept.I'll give it a try! it looks very promising. I've had good experiences with GH Actions and nektos/act before so something based on it is always welcome!
(DIR) Post #AWcuDp5i2yeezBemtU by Eunakria@mastodon.online
2023-06-12T20:32:40Z
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@gitea @cinebox @monsieuricon and, at that - thanks for the awesome software package! hopefully I can pay y'all back properly someday
(DIR) Post #AWdAW15xklhCh9TMn2 by dannyboy@qoto.org
2023-06-12T23:41:34Z
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@monsieuricon glad I moved to self-hosting last year.
(DIR) Post #AWfElXEdKR2Uqr6T1k by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-06-13T23:38:37.878733Z
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@monsieuricon Host your own code guys. It's the only way.
(DIR) Post #AWfSJ13EnBw0Hk4IL2 by justinz@social.opendesktop.org
2023-06-14T02:10:18Z
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@monsieuricon Ooh interesting prediction!
(DIR) Post #AWfYWy2ZNmaqj6n8yW by a1ba@suya.place
2023-06-14T03:20:03.361530Z
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@monsieuricon so far I just use GitHub as a free throwaway hosting. I mean, Microsoft surely has enough disks to store everything. And CPUs because I can compile anything on their VMs.Yeah, I don't like that the repos there are being used for Copilot training but also don't really care. I blame people, not AI, who copypaste unknown, untested and probably copyrighted code because "AI told them to do so".People sometimes ask why I do not enable embedded wiki or forums, that's because if something happens with GitHub, we would be ready to migrate to something else. The only thing enabled are issues, but those are easily scrappable and can be migrated to something else. But I also try to not even reference GitHub issues in my commits and do not recommend doing that, again because it's not guaranteed that it would be possible to reference them the same way on different platform.
(DIR) Post #AWfvmi1B1GGSc3cCy8 by n0toose@chaos.social
2023-06-14T07:40:32Z
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@falktx @jollyrogue @forgejo it's very good, me and others regularly work on patches based on what the community wants or what the platform needs and it all eventually lands back to gitea too
(DIR) Post #AWg7bdcwCfiVG7lV7Q by clacke@libranet.de
2023-06-14T04:49:32Z
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It's ok, not everyone needs to say it. I'll say it:Github is bad. Don't use github. Open Source software needs Open Source tools. This was true before Microsoft and it's even more true after the acquisition, and even more even more true after they snagged npm.org as well ... and created and popularized VS Code ... and CoPilot ... it goes on.Corporations are not friends, and this one is holding the world of software freedom hostage.https://giveupgithub.org/https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html
(DIR) Post #AWg9XXybTCCSU54lzE by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2023-06-14T10:14:45.851Z
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@clacke@libranet.de Github is bad. Don't use github. Open Source software needs Open Source tools.Preach it!It's absolutely ridiculous that people will in one breathe condemn a shitty platform, and then praise another one because they're used to it. I'll never understand the mental olympics required to come to this conclusion.We can all see where GitHub is heading, and VScode, and whatever else they'll throw out next. It is absolutely pathetic that supposed tech-literate people will defend it without question, when they should know better and have witnessed the issues time and time again.
(DIR) Post #AWgBDSEdJ4kInI7XLU by ringo@talk-here.com
2023-06-14T10:33:32.160487Z
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@tyil @clacke whatever happened to ... oh yeah, it's still there. :-D https://subversion.apache.org/
(DIR) Post #AWgBRqb9WOloPRW7Hs by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2023-06-14T10:36:08.394Z
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@ringo@talk-here.com @clacke@libranet.de I'm talking about GitHub, not git. Those two are only related in that GitHub is an attempt to employ EEE on git. It is important that people do not give GitHub this power, and use alternatives. The best choice to me seems to be using git and a mailing list, but new age developers seem to be very scared of using anything that is not a sluggish web interface.
(DIR) Post #AWgBrEKaQ8lJFrs6zY by ringo@talk-here.com
2023-06-14T10:40:43.454184Z
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@tyil @clacke oh okay I misunderstood.my point was the old tools that still work and are actively developed are almost always a better option, as most of them are still open source.agreed. github is stupid.
(DIR) Post #AWgC4mun9KpuHPGt2u by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2023-06-14T10:43:10.961Z
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@ringo@talk-here.com @clacke@libranet.de CVS is still being used in some environments, and while I'm not used to it, it seems to Just Work fine tho couple of times I interacted with it. That said, I've heard some people praise Fossil as a possible alternative to git. I might try that out if I were to switch version control software.
(DIR) Post #AWgCaknuX90B01INUW by ringo@talk-here.com
2023-06-14T10:48:54.653445Z
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@tyil @clacke that looks cool.then there's stuff like phorge.it as well. but its an overlay not a replacement for git/etc.
(DIR) Post #AWgNBVtTvmyX0q4HtA by objectObject@hachyderm.io
2023-06-14T12:47:36Z
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@falktx @monsieuricon didn't they already limit free tier CI a lot when people were mining crypto on it?
(DIR) Post #AWgXEpzkeQldlWDz4S by indrora@furry.engineer
2023-06-14T05:06:16Z
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@clacke and move to who, exactly?* gitlab is painful* bit bucket is just Atlassian flavored github* SourceHut is run by a raging asshat and has the ergonomics of a taped razor blade.* SourceForge is... Dead & corpofunded* Codeberg is uncertainly funded* Launchpad: no, also Canonical. There's NonGNU/Savanah but they're... A bit behind the times.What's left? Gitee (run by the Chinese state, with Party Approved code review) and... Telling people to go fuck themselves.
(DIR) Post #AWgXEqhi0zvfxqn5aS by clacke@libranet.de
2023-06-14T05:29:10Z
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@indrora Use Codeberg, give them money if you have it.If feasible: Host your own Forgejo.In-between solution: Have https://www.gna.org/ manage a Forgejo+#Woodpecker for you. It's money, but it's the same level as a managed Mastodon setup.Loads of projects with actual money could do this but are still on Github. CPython *moved* there from independent hosting.I was going to say "recently", but apparently I'm An Old and the "recent" event was 6 years ago.
(DIR) Post #AWjP7Qs8GtzfYpLJB2 by me@social.jlamothe.net
2023-06-15T23:46:17Z
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@gitea I did not know this existed. Where can I learn more?
(DIR) Post #AWjP7S0g2cQH5cLe8O by gitea@social.gitea.io
2023-06-15T23:50:31Z
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@me https://docs.gitea.com/1.20/usage/actions/quickstart docs for 1.20 release but also applies to 1.19
(DIR) Post #AWjQM3X9QRAhTZ48Zs by petererer@fuzzle.me.uk
2023-06-15T23:57:21.728Z
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@gitea@social.gitea.io @me@social.jlamothe.net Oh! How long has this been a thing? I set up woodpecker-ci (which wasn't that hard, to be fair) for my gitea instance last December...
(DIR) Post #AWjQM4GAj3BTjC85ke by gitea@social.gitea.io
2023-06-16T00:04:51Z
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@petererer @me the alpha was out last nov-ish(?) and was included in the 1.19 release (Actions are still non-production as there are still things that need to be firmed up, but it’s in a useable state). WP is a great CI and if that works for you then no need to change. The Gitea project is a sponsor of WP and there is overlap of maintainers between Gitea and WP, so we are happy with whichever choice you make :)
(DIR) Post #AWjQhs86VQ46Tgkjse by me@social.jlamothe.net
2023-06-15T23:52:23Z
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@gitea This link appears to be 404-ing.
(DIR) Post #AWjQht3B5DidKhSJqC by gitea@social.gitea.io
2023-06-16T00:05:54Z
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@me oh dear. I’m using a mobile app. Does the following work for you https://docs.gitea.com/1.20/usage/actions/quickstart
(DIR) Post #AWlv5z0DzQqTgWOsWe by 0x5DA@fosstodon.org
2023-06-14T16:00:32Z
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@clackegithub isn't bad because "corporation bad", github is bad because centralisation bad. i'm not aware of any ergonomic way to manage git decentralised. until there is i don't see a valid alternative, and will continue to use github.
(DIR) Post #AX77lRpVTLClZihkxs by salsa@infosec.exchange
2023-06-14T14:29:11Z
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@indrora @clacke If codeberg's downside is money, why not support them?