Post AWYaGYTPB21NdFliAC by thatguyoverthere@xmrposter.club
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(DIR) Post #AWYXiNV5GfDTqW84jA by kingu@mstdn.social
2023-06-10T18:07:56Z
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(DIR) Post #AWYXq0ZMPOgZ2klfYu by MisuseCase@twit.social
2023-06-10T18:09:18Z
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@kingu “Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.”
(DIR) Post #AWYZhdhNkznRheens8 by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-06-10T18:30:09.616493Z
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@kingu algae grows in a day, trees take over a decade
(DIR) Post #AWYZzvNOlpc9k41rA8 by skylar@wolfgirl.bar
2023-06-10T18:33:31.331039Z
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@Moon @kingu and as we all know, average urbanites aren't even capable of imagining how they'd feel if they didn't eat breakfast that morning
(DIR) Post #AWYaGYTPB21NdFliAC by thatguyoverthere@xmrposter.club
2023-06-10T18:36:32.221069Z
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@Moon @kingu but algae dies overnight. Trees can survive a few hours without sunlight. I imagine those tanks need to be heated in the winter too.
(DIR) Post #AWYaXwa4nZt1K7BGE4 by billiam@shitposter.club
2023-06-10T18:39:37.068955Z
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@Moon @kingu wood has positive psychological effects. Algae, probably nothttps://nitter.poast.org/wrathofgnon/status/1621312991424819202https://nitter.poast.org/wrathofgnon/status/1262025263858110467
(DIR) Post #AWYaY2X6fX4lmdpyQi by kingu@mstdn.social
2023-06-10T18:39:42Z
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@thatguyoverthere @Moon I've just found thishttps://hackaday.com/2023/04/04/the-liquid-trees-of-belgrade-the-facts-behind-the-furore/It might answer our questions :)
(DIR) Post #AWYabpudX8WxnfeaES by Teratogenese@mamot.fr
2023-06-10T18:40:22Z
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@kingu Money doesn't grow on trees.
(DIR) Post #AWYarBkGdrtjrC7kEy by billiam@shitposter.club
2023-06-10T18:43:11.143251Z
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@Moon @kingu that being said, maybe algae would be useful for freak events (like NYC rn), idk
(DIR) Post #AWYdDvKe23H5WM6kQC by MisuseCase@twit.social
2023-06-10T19:09:36Z
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@kingu @thatguyoverthere @Moon It seems like they’re really cool actually! They’re mobile heavy-duty air cleaners and an interim solution while Belgrade (or another city that may use them) plants trees and waits for them to grow.
(DIR) Post #AWYebrjh9Z7JGwnzBA by thatguyoverthere@xmrposter.club
2023-06-10T19:25:13.002553Z
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@MisuseCase @kingu @Moon yeah I don't hate them, but I have some questions that aren't answered in the sales pitch. What does it do with the methane it's going to produce for example? It's true that they will create fertilizer, but in so doing they will be also creating methane and other gases. If they actually use the fertilizer they make that'll be cool. I use algae water on my plants. It's better than Brawndo.I also wonder what the real environmental impact of creating one is. It needs solar panels, batteries, electronics/computers, and a pump. Glass also has an environmental impact I think is often ignored (sand mining is terrible business). Does it have any filtration devices made of charcoal (I assume yes)?At the end of the day, I just think cities in general are obviously harder on the environment than smaller gatherings of people. We create problems we then need to solve, but I don't know that the offered solutions are always the best ones (or even good ones).
(DIR) Post #AWYiYKv76ZH6RZicnQ by MisuseCase@twit.social
2023-06-10T19:49:57Z
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@thatguyoverthere @kingu @Moon regarding cities and environmental impact, the data says the opposite: the denser, the better. Cities require less *stuff* (material, energy, physical footprint) to provide for the same number of people. Dense urban areas mean lower per-capita emissions too.But there are good and bad ways to do urban development, and everything has its trade offs of course.https://earthtalk.org/population-density/
(DIR) Post #AWYiYRTiioWQmdxLZQ by thatguyoverthere@xmrposter.club
2023-06-10T20:09:21.863023Z
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@MisuseCase @kingu @Moon just the concrete alone is a massive environmental disaster. Water pollution from high concentration of any animal causes extra stress on the surrounding environment. Sure we have treatment facilities to try and help mitigate that, but they are far from perfect. Also getting food into cities results in a lot of waste that could be significantly reduced if more people had access to space to grow their own food.Honestly I believe that the answer to some of our biggest problems as a species is centralization. I think things like power generation and food production could be far less wasteful if we didn't rely on centralized networks for distribution. I think the food and power distribution networks we rely on are incredibly fragile. I also think the main problem with pollution generally comes down to concentration within a particular area being greater than the area can safely accommodate. If we had many more smaller farms that focused primarily on serving the local population, the impact of farming would be far less, and the damage could be mitigated further with better farming practices that can't be used at the scale we tend to push people toward.I didn't read the link, but I will later. Just sitting down for a few minutes before getting more stuff done.
(DIR) Post #AWYib17x9QBBvT0Dr6 by cykonot@mas.to
2023-06-10T20:09:52Z
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@kingu trees don't generally have lobbyists
(DIR) Post #AWYppmKN9p3O33nVVw by MisuseCase@twit.social
2023-06-10T20:13:07Z
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@thatguyoverthere @kingu @Moon No, centralization is good, it makes it easier to manage things including inputs and outputs at scale, and most of us don’t want to grow our own food.(Growing your own food sounds like fun until you have done actual farming for a living or subsistence farming.)
(DIR) Post #AWYppn46PndKKtC1nE by thatguyoverthere@xmrposter.club
2023-06-10T21:30:58.554848Z
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@MisuseCase @kingu @Moon > "centralization is good" he posted on a decentralized network.There are ways that centralization allows you to optimize for particular outputs, but it also centralizes power over what is actually being optimized for and takes autonomy away from participants. I think waste is overlooked or justified by the gains in output which can never be questioned (is output higher? Of course we're bigger).I never said everyone needs to grow their own food, but smaller farms can manage the waste produced better and with good practices could even see higher yields of more diverse crops. I also think it would be healthy for people to be better connected to the source of their life. People may not "want" to grow their own food, but I argue there are "needs" being unmet in modern society.It's cute how you diminish the value of growing your own food by saying "it sounds fun". Fun is what you make it first of all, and second I never said that we should only do fun things. Sometimes accomplishing things that are difficult and not very fun at the time can be rewarding in different ways. For the record I have been microfarming for almost a decade at this point. Sometimes it's really hard work. What I can't grow I buy from other local farms. Been doing it this way for years. It's not "fun" to wake up early as shit and start tending to the animals and plants, but it is rewarding. I know where my food comes from, and I know what goes into it. I also get to see the impact of my actions over the years and can learn what does and doesn't work. Planting your own food also allows you to appreciate the seasons.
(DIR) Post #AWZviFw3zBGuRTBQES by MisuseCase@twit.social
2023-06-10T22:11:11Z
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@thatguyoverthere @kingu @Moon I’m a she, and also I don’t want a future where most of us have to grow our own food. For most of history since agriculture was invented, the vast majority of the human population has had to toil to produce food, at the cost of their physical health and time they could use for pursuits like education and leisure. Many people tried very hard to get out of that life. Why do you want people to go back?
(DIR) Post #AWZviGjh0eyEvOP3aa by thatguyoverthere@xmrposter.club
2023-06-11T10:11:33.394370Z
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@MisuseCase @kingu @Moon Humans still toil for food. Only now most of us toil meaninglessly for tokens to exchange for food. Pre-industrial health was not poor because of farming. It was poor because of sanitation issues. Today we have diabetes and obesity in some places and starving in others as leading causes of death. Suicide is fairly common, and I think in some areas also increasing at a pretty alarming rate. I don't know if that's an improvement. We have more time for activities, but many are bored and find leisure activities to be unfulfilling. I am a fan of learning, but I could give a fuck less about education. Most of the educated people I've met are pretty simple honestly. Not impressive.> Many people tried very hard to get out of that life. Why do you want people to go back?Many people are very unwell as a result of the new way of life. The food system is poisonous and incredibly wasteful. The centralized decision makers realize that we can't continue to sustain the levels of growth we aim for while maintaining a higher quality of life, so the answer seems to be to reduce the quality of life. I would rather have the freedom to eat what I want than be forced to eat bugs because "that's better for the planet". As I said before, I don't really think everyone needs to grow their own food, but I do think local first should kind of be the default on food items. I don't quite understand why you think that means a return to the 1700s. I buy my milk from a dairy farm near me. They have a website. They deliver. I literally do less to get my milk than you do, but it's produced near me by cows that eat grass
(DIR) Post #AWZy1d4aNwmFc0XF7Q by thatguyoverthere@xmrposter.club
2023-06-11T10:37:28.929129Z
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@MisuseCase @Moon @kingu I didn't even get into the toxins we've introduced into the environment as the result of central planning and decision making. All the packaging and chemical preservatives added to try and slow down decay which have themselves negative health consequences, and yet we still waste enough food to feed a continent.Another aspect is the damage we've done to the farm land. Many farms have lost an enormous amount of top soil. Those who can't produce anymore are sold off and covered in asphalt and structures. The impact of this pipeline isn't fully actualized yet, but the amount of usable farm land is shrinking as a result.
(DIR) Post #AWaWNPYgi2HKVgAncO by MisuseCase@twit.social
2023-06-11T15:49:46Z
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@thatguyoverthere @kingu @Moon This all boils down to “life was better and people were better when things were simpler and people worked hard and we did not have all this modern stuff” which is an inherently revanchist, right-wing position, totally unmoored from both the historical reality of how people actually lived in “the good old days” and the source of our systemic problems now.I do not dream of a future of regression, toil, and privation for my fellow humans.
(DIR) Post #AWaWNRH2KdLbpVvjNo by thatguyoverthere@xmrposter.club
2023-06-11T17:02:22.911686Z
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@MisuseCase @kingu @Moon it's not the technology but how it's used. I have no issues with automation, but I think the power to decide what should be automated and what to optimize for should be with the individual as much as possible. I think electronics are great. I think exploitative use of electronics to track and monitor humans like some kind of livestock is not that great.I love how everything always boils down to left/right political dichotomies for so many people, but I'm the one pining for simplicity.