Post AWXa0bHilHhYYojfvM by killyourfm@layer8.space
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(DIR) Post #AWXYfgvKV9h00ujDPc by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-06-10T06:43:45Z
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Finally found scientific proof (and a strong sense of satisfaction) that my ears have been correct: #music objectively sounds worse on streaming platforms than #vinyl. "The numbers in those boxes represent the measured dynamic range of an album or its individual tracks. DR is short for dynamic range. Lower numbers mean less dynamic range, higher numbers mean higher dynamic range. In terms of audio quality a higher dynamic range generally means better quality.”https://dr.loudness-war.info/faq
(DIR) Post #AWXZUsEAEZ6DqAwYnA by chrishazfun@mstdn.social
2023-06-10T06:53:01Z
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@killyourfm tbh the loudness war has tended to hit all formats through mixing choices, bandcamp flacs probably beat spotify streams by a mile though lol
(DIR) Post #AWXZY0PCHjCE4Zb6vI by gimulnautti@mastodontti.fi
2023-06-10T06:53:36Z
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@killyourfm This is a matter of choice though, not a format question per se.The loudness war really did hurt all of us music-lovers. Recordings are no longer luxury items, but bulk to consume, not even own.
(DIR) Post #AWXa0bHilHhYYojfvM by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-06-10T06:58:47Z
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@chrishazfun No doubt you're right, and my examples are admittedly selective...but probably a good representation.
(DIR) Post #AWXa5BcnanJGQQmWCu by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-06-10T06:59:37Z
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@gimulnautti I feel like we ultimately have the iPod to blame for the loudness wars. Is that a safe assumption?
(DIR) Post #AWXaN20S5nObo4M1cu by datenimperator@social.cologne
2023-06-10T07:02:47Z
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@killyourfm almost everybody is trading audio quality for unlimited supply, ease of use and supposedly lower cost. Neither of that is actually true, but still...
(DIR) Post #AWXaS3zAA3kXOQ9Ovw by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-06-10T07:03:45Z
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@datenimperator We'll always sacrifice *something* for convenience... But I'm very curious about your view on "supposedly lower cost" and "ease of use." Something tells me I'll appreciate your take.,
(DIR) Post #AWXcU7oR6TIdkXFCLY by trezzer@social.linux.pizza
2023-06-10T07:26:30Z
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@killyourfm @gimulnautti It was wanting to stand out on radio. "Louder = better". Just like commercials would turn it up to 11, you could do the same with music once the cd format was popularized. You generally can't get away with compression to the same extent on vinyl because on a CD you just have 1 and 0 while the needle and the groove need to actually move to the extremes (try looking at a compressed sound wave and imagine having a needle track through a miniature of it).
(DIR) Post #AWXcdquen5ZGERnBGC by trezzer@social.linux.pizza
2023-06-10T07:28:18Z
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@killyourfm @chrishazfun I generally have had good results buying from Bandcamp and modern vinyl. CD was so much more miss than hit that I haven't bought one in over a decade.
(DIR) Post #AWXcfiNLVFqaKj6DRY by DonSimon13@social.tchncs.de
2023-06-10T07:26:13Z
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@chrishazfun @killyourfm The only difference between Bandcamp FLACs and a spotify stream should be lossless vs lossy encoding. This difference is way harder to hear than actual mastering differences between analog and digital. Even with high end headphones, I can only hear it on very specific tracks like solo piano tracks. Mastering is way more important then encoding.
(DIR) Post #AWXcfj4wt8j2VxV2PI by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-06-10T07:28:38Z
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@DonSimon13 @chrishazfun thank you for so eloquently, explaining what I’ve been wanting to say
(DIR) Post #AWXdWCn3fPstim9hI0 by bobbyperu@noagendasocial.com
2023-06-10T07:38:17Z
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@killyourfm Turtle rock mastering in Sydney had a big silver device that added back the analog warmth. it worked. cost a million bucks and the engineer told me the secret is in the size of the transformer. it was made in New zealand, he was testing it. he loved it.
(DIR) Post #AWXpJA3fiDvkvvTNXU by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-06-10T09:50:11Z
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@marcan My impression is that a separate vinyl master these days is the exception and not the rule. Sadly. In addition to that, I always hear about anything done at Bernie Grundman Mastering to have that rare vinyl master. so it's one to watch for as that's a pretty popular mastering facility.
(DIR) Post #AWXpgwu6Gth35NL3tw by pimeys@social.nauk.io
2023-06-10T08:32:55.689438Z
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@killyourfm Depends on the album. For example this one is never really gone to the red end, and even when the latest remaster is one point down compared to the vinyl, it sounds absolutely amazing from a SACD.https://dr.loudness-war.info/?artist=Steely+dan&album=Can%27t+buy+a+thrill
(DIR) Post #AWXpgy5Ts4OIkxffHM by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-06-10T09:54:29Z
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@pimeys Honest question here, born from some ignorance: Could recording in analog vs digital make any difference here?
(DIR) Post #AWXq8Cb428dPZjQirQ by albituga_@mastodon.social
2023-06-10T09:59:25Z
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@killyourfm nothing beats a vinyl…
(DIR) Post #AWXvASFrHv2sUIP9eK by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-06-10T10:55:51Z
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@albituga_ ...which is probably why the format has endured for almost 100 years!
(DIR) Post #AWY22ryGUVy9bjVPk0 by Magess@fandom.ink
2023-06-10T12:12:51Z
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@killyourfm Codec seems like the wrong information to be listing. Shouldn't it be bit depth and sampling rate? Those are the factors that limit dynamic range in digital. CDs are 16, 44.1kHz. If your streaming file is also 16, 44.1, then the possible range is still the same... It should have vinyl, 24bit 96kHz, and CD as the comparisons.
(DIR) Post #AWY4j6dOYyVx9k0mgK by mk_rexx@metalhead.club
2023-06-10T12:42:58Z
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@killyourfm I haven't read that yet but I heard before that vinyl's physical limitations discourages engineers from saturing the vinyl mix, which would often be done with the radio mix cuz loudness war and stuff. "Higher dynamic range generally means better quality" is pretty mislesing though. There are genres where smaller dynamic range is more often preferable.
(DIR) Post #AWYKbvSbJB4LjvYpTE by ianmclean@mastodon.au
2023-06-10T13:53:21Z
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@trezzer @killyourfm @gimulnautti Just to be devil's advocate here, I don't think more dynamics is always better, though it certainly got bad in the late 00s when the new Metallica and Alice in Chains LPs were brickwalled so badly they were clipping. I actually find some remasters to be better than the original issues for quite a few albums, in deft hands they can sound quite a lot more lively with a bit of compression, and bring out some subtleties that were lost before. That's as long as you're not just throwing a limiter at it and calling it "remastered" of course. A case where I really think less dynamics has been good, is when I watch older TV shows or movies. Always fun times when you're putting on an old flick and have to dime the volume because you can't hear what anyone is saying, then the music kicks in and rattles the windows!
(DIR) Post #AWYKbwHIGhcQH9HJU8 by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-06-10T15:40:55Z
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@ianmclean @trezzer @gimulnautti See also: the crime against music that is Foo Fighters' "One By One." Also, I say this as someone who considers Rick Rubin a sort of spiritual/music advisor and deeply appreciates his work: It's utterly baffling that he let Death Magnetic out the door sounding like it did.
(DIR) Post #AWYLJWkoWiiHr9s2d6 by pimeys@social.nauk.io
2023-06-10T14:42:15.559922Z
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@albituga_ @killyourfm I beg to differ. I have some SACD masters that sound better than anything. Also good old reel-to-reel tape beats any vinyl due to the better dynamics and missing the crackles.
(DIR) Post #AWYLJXZ9VYymNHQF5k by albituga_@mastodon.social
2023-06-10T14:44:20Z
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@pimeys @killyourfm The crackles is what makes the vinyl better :clippy: :computerfairies:
(DIR) Post #AWYLJYIWmrH8e0eTom by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-06-10T15:48:48Z
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@albituga_ @pimeys Gives it CHARACTER! :D
(DIR) Post #AWYNxx6EC6wH3aI5I0 by thenets@fosstodon.org
2023-06-10T16:18:32Z
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@killyourfm well, "better" is not something objective. Any streaming is "cleaner" than a vinyl, without cracking noises, but they are all based in lossy algorithms. This is true since the old days, with MiniDisk using ATRAC, for example.The goal of those algorithms is not to "be better" but instead to be indistinguishable for the majority of people and be smaller at the same time. Sometimes a person will have great ears and audio gears, for those, we have FLAC codec.
(DIR) Post #AWYOYh1iumspvHheXA by GothAndy@ravenation.club
2023-06-10T16:25:10Z
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@killyourfm I can definitely even hear the difference between youtube and cd lossless. There is much more detail in the cd quality, although without the exactly nuanced detail of vinyl.
(DIR) Post #AWYPEDNhWhtC8pmY9Q by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-06-10T16:32:44Z
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@thenets FLAC will still sound like crap if it's not mastered and mixed properly...
(DIR) Post #AWYPNhf4JbA2eyQirA by thenets@fosstodon.org
2023-06-10T16:34:24Z
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@killyourfm oh, sure. But the codec is perfect for human hearing. Any vinyl will sound like crap too without a good mastering.
(DIR) Post #AWYPe2VAbC9LvcacZE by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-06-10T16:37:22Z
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@thenets Touche!
(DIR) Post #AWYPrPWwI58t7AnEv2 by thenets@fosstodon.org
2023-06-10T16:39:46Z
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@killyourfm hey, btw, I was watching this yesterday :)https://youtu.be/Wj24IJezjD8It's a great channel for people who like old school audio gear.This one was exactly about lossy codecs.
(DIR) Post #AWYdOxOsgN5H7ZLmzI by trezzer@social.linux.pizza
2023-06-10T19:11:28Z
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@killyourfm Death Magnetic was a crime against humanity.