Post AWXI5YhU032yom04wa by vforberger@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #AWWyMA3UssJsDrw800 by benjaminwittes@thecooltable.wtf
2023-06-09T23:56:56Z
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In case what’s missing from your life is a Lawfare deep dive analysis of the Trump indictment. https://www.lawfareblog.com/united-states-america-v-donald-j-trump-and-waltine-nauta
(DIR) Post #AWX0XpA2awDsnqgcRE by JonKramer@qoto.org
2023-06-10T00:21:18Z
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@benjaminwittes what is missing is the minimum trump can be penalized if found guilty. Which is what I suspect will be the case.
(DIR) Post #AWX1NSCBE0ucdRJ1gO by benjaminwittes@thecooltable.wtf
2023-06-10T00:30:47Z
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Or a Lawfare emergency podcast on the subject:https://overcast.fm/+vh1pusMHc
(DIR) Post #AWXB9PF0Pb0yxYZGTI by benjaminwittes@thecooltable.wtf
2023-06-10T02:20:15Z
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@JonKramer You can't really know that without knowing what counts he would be convicted on. It's a guidelines question and the specifics matter a lot.
(DIR) Post #AWXBoT7atBsIrqgIOO by benjaminwittes@thecooltable.wtf
2023-06-10T02:27:43Z
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@JonKramer These statutes don't have mandatory minimums.
(DIR) Post #AWXCxJaVnuejrNzPEG by JonKramer@qoto.org
2023-06-10T02:40:31Z
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@benjaminwittes so the minimum is zero days in prison. I wonder how that happened, that those are what the DOJ decided to go with.
(DIR) Post #AWXEyvI1JbMEzJEbeS by benjaminwittes@thecooltable.wtf
2023-06-10T03:03:13Z
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@JonKramer the minimum is zero for the vast majority of crimes. Relatively few crimes have mandatory minimums.
(DIR) Post #AWXF6z4r7Hv13Gv9Y8 by fsinn@mas.to
2023-06-10T03:04:27Z
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@benjaminwittes Hi, Canada here. It’s us.
(DIR) Post #AWXFGAh9I9dhgoDGjY by benjaminwittes@thecooltable.wtf
2023-06-10T03:06:19Z
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@JonKramer we published some data on sentencing in similar cases on @lawfare today. The average is in the 50 month range but that’s very rough as the comparable cases aren’t that comparable.
(DIR) Post #AWXFVFzvrFE0TpByK0 by JonKramer@qoto.org
2023-06-10T03:09:01Z
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@benjaminwittes @lawfare what are the odds that NONE of the indictments would have a minimum? I am highly skeptical that this wasn't by design. Especially with the famous law signed by trump with a 5 year minimum that seems taylor made for one of these charges...
(DIR) Post #AWXFcQMzh3UOfvOeuW by benjaminwittes@thecooltable.wtf
2023-06-10T03:10:22Z
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@JonKramer @lawfare odds are overwhelming
(DIR) Post #AWXG8Z80fKi16aiKki by JonKramer@qoto.org
2023-06-10T03:16:10Z
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@benjaminwittes @lawfare really. I have an exceptionally hard time believing that. This just seems to be a plan. Why include a spot on an indictment stating a minimum if the odds that there isn't one is so high? Why not pick a charge with a minimum jail time? Why wait 2 years for what amounts to a fine? Maybe I lack trust in the system... but why should I trust it?
(DIR) Post #AWXI5YhU032yom04wa by vforberger@fosstodon.org
2023-06-10T03:37:55Z
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(DIR) Post #AWXIzuf9WzFz9LmYOu by mjausson@mastodon.design
2023-06-10T03:48:07Z
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@benjaminwittes The Lawfare analysis of tfg's indictment is interesting in its own right. Not mentioned in other pieces are how come the infamous Eileen (Loose) Cannon came to preside over the arraignment on Tuesday. There are also a few paras about sentencing guidelines. Lawfare say that recent cases concerning willful retention of classified material averaged around 4 years. However in most of those the circs were less grave. https://www.lawfareblog.com/united-states-america-v-donald-j-trump-and-waltine-nauta
(DIR) Post #AWXppVDwYQTzqOhOPg by zl2tod@mastodon.nz
2023-06-10T09:55:48Z
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@benjaminwittes Given that the primary defendant was the Commander in Chief and the alleged nature of the documents:Could charges be brought under military law, and what are the implications of that scenario?
(DIR) Post #AWY6mNIJHJLHbRprrU by benjaminwittes@thecooltable.wtf
2023-06-10T13:05:52Z
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@zl2tod no. The charged activity took place after trump left office.
(DIR) Post #AWYxpBjtzUn4Cmy67M by dannotdaniel@mastodon.social
2023-06-10T23:00:00Z
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@benjaminwittes Thank You.In case what's missing from your life is the baby blimp and distended YMCA audio, I gotcha covered.