Post AWTkc4hWZsh9PvTP5U by killyourfm@layer8.space
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(DIR) Post #AWTclysoGSFYdSxrTU by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-06-08T09:10:50Z
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For the next several weeks (and months?) I'm evaluating at least a dozen open source and commercial #email apps. Now, I'm honestly not saying this because I work at @thunderbird, but the new #Outlook is a buggy mess within the first 5 minutes of use. I'm quite surprised that "Switch to New Outlook" toggle is even there. My Gmail account requested re-authorization twice, and switching off Focused Inbox completely zapped everything from the message pane, and I can't get it back.
(DIR) Post #AWTcrBY4bMaFMgkMUq by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-06-08T09:11:51Z
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@thunderbird I WILL give #Outlook some praise though: I'm a fan of those colored icons on the horizontal ribbon.
(DIR) Post #AWTdbLlqva9kODCmJs by lproven@social.vivaldi.net
2023-06-08T09:20:03Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird Yep, a big usability #fail by Apple & Microsoft in recent years is forcing borderless buttons, all the same shape, even monochrome. Colours & shapes help me identify & remember what is where.There used to be an app to bring shaped buttons back to OS X Mail.app: "CageFighter"https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/get-rid-of-hideous-mail-icons.123012/
(DIR) Post #AWTfCkEz0ooIwyE3E0 by WildEnte@social.vivaldi.net
2023-06-08T09:38:08Z
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@killyourfm is the #email client integrated in @Vivaldi on your bucket list? It's the spiritual successor of Opera's mail client M2 which they stopped maintaining in 2014 or so (and which until recently was my client of choice...). I've tried to get used to TB many times but always found it too heavy to support my preferred "no frills" email #workflow https://wildente.vivaldi.net/the-no-frills-email-workflow/
(DIR) Post #AWTfehtJLDmrltQEBU by thingsiplay@mstdn.games
2023-06-08T09:43:10Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird Hi Jason. As a longtime Thunderbird user, one thing I would like is to be able to disable address book, calender, tasks and chat application completely; so they are not loaded at all (wish they were just plugins). I think this would help with RAM usage (its not bad, but could be improved) and maybe little bit faster loading on startup?Overall not a big deal, but "plugins" or functionality I am not using that can't be disabled entirely always bugs me.
(DIR) Post #AWTfy079oNVNnB6AoS by cdevroe@mastodon.social
2023-06-08T09:46:33Z
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@killyourfm Microsoft Outlook… I can’t even. I CANT EVEN.
(DIR) Post #AWTfynG366jUCwdSyW by pak0st@fosstodon.org
2023-06-08T09:46:34Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird I miss Inbox... 😑 By far it did the best job of keeping me away from the email inbox with everything done efficiently (of course it had to be killed). The ToDo management flow it encouraged was something else.And yes, it wasn't for everybody nor did it comply with already hardened workflows. Yet it still worked brilliantly
(DIR) Post #AWTk0dQF2Kly6CXKPg by fleischie28@layer8.space
2023-06-08T09:30:44Z
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@killyourfm Is there a list of apps you will write about?Also will this be published somewhere more persistent? (Conversely formulated: Will this only be published as toots?)
(DIR) Post #AWTk0ej4BpQQ8sLsOW by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-06-08T10:31:57Z
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@fleischie28 It's something I'm evaluating to inform a marketing strategy document I'm working on. But I'm not shy about highlighting the strengths of other applications, and using those insights to make Thunderbird a better product. The short answer: probably just toots. If I do discuss it more broadly, it'll for sure be on @Linux4Everyone
(DIR) Post #AWTkc4hWZsh9PvTP5U by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-06-08T10:38:44Z
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@pak0st I remember switching the second I was first aware of it, and really enjoyed using it.Its death was the end of me trying anything new from Google...
(DIR) Post #AWTkgD1vYJ7sPKzJQm by bouncywallaby@mastodon.social
2023-06-08T10:39:30Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird #outlook has been brain-dead since inception. That and #lotusnotes are in the same basket! 🤣
(DIR) Post #AWTkwpcjpUZyjm8Fo8 by lproven@social.vivaldi.net
2023-06-08T10:42:28Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird When I started at @SUSE in 2017, I tried out every GUI email client in openSUSE's repos. (I'm not a terminal warrior.) CLAWS, Sylpheed, Evolution, Balsa, GNUstep Mail.app, KDE KMail, multiple others.CLAWS and Evolution survived for a while.But in the end, I returned to T'bird, and stayed on it for the next 3 years. 🙂 It really is the best.
(DIR) Post #AWTlUOFe6dbLgmKhEG by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-06-08T10:48:33Z
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@WildEnte @Vivaldi It honestly hasn't been on my radar to try personally. My first impression of it (based on actual screenshots from Vivaldi) was that...well... it quite resembled Thunderbird. Custom folders, mostly monochrome action icons, no multi-line message preview, tabbed workflow, etc. I'm not sure how I feel about "a database of all your messages, labels, filters, searches is maintained by Vivaldi..."
(DIR) Post #AWTlayTEMCtVl3pJ32 by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-06-08T10:49:47Z
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@WildEnte @Vivaldi That being said, others have told me it's worth checking out, so I'm adding it my list.
(DIR) Post #AWTpvFtZgI0LPP4hqi by quasigod@social.linux.pizza
2023-06-08T11:38:14Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird I made the mistake of toggling it on my work machine. It eventually stopped launching and I had to reset the app. Not complaining since I chose to test the new version, but surprised it still needs that much work.It's odd that even though new teams is pretty stable, it asks you if you want to revert every time you open the new version and Outlook doesn't.
(DIR) Post #AWTrMRNtAoUKoWmUDY by MarkJones@mastodon.social
2023-06-08T11:54:17Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird I provide my clients with IMAP mailbox hosting which I don’t very often have to give support for, but when I do, Apple Mail on MacOS is the usual culprit.
(DIR) Post #AWTtbDzdRZ1nXAc7aS by Vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net
2023-06-08T12:19:09Z
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@killyourfm @WildEnte Vivaldi is definitely worth checking out. 😉 If you have any questions, let us know. :tony_grinning:
(DIR) Post #AWTwT5Q9jNICUepVM8 by WildEnte@social.vivaldi.net
2023-06-08T12:51:33Z
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@killyourfm @Vivaldi re "not sure how I feel about 'database of messages ... is maintained by Vivaldi'" - no privacy issue lurking here, this is strictly within the local client.TB defaults put accounts and folders in the front row, I have to turn on unified inbox. Yes quick filters exist but TB feels like made for filing. Vivaldi is the other way around: unified inbox and filter toggles first. Plus I like the browser integration.Unsurprisingly TB is much more mature & feature complete (c:=
(DIR) Post #AWUSDboCk7JaqIk3Lk by hperrin@port87.social
2023-06-08T18:47:16Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird Hey Jason, would you mind if I asked you to try out my email service when it's available later this month? It would be awesome to have such a knowledgeable perspective on it. You can read about it here: https://port87.com/It's not completely open source, but it's built with the two open source projects I maintain, Svelte Material UI and Nymph.js. It's also built with SvelteKit, so I'd be interested in what you think of it compared to desktop apps.
(DIR) Post #AWVWqz7WbAe7PWlnns by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-06-09T07:13:59Z
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@WildEnte @Vivaldi Ahh, thanks for putting my mind at ease about the database. For some unknown reason my brain defaulted to "Vivaldi the brand and its offices / servers" rather than "Vivaldi the software."