Post AWJwbfquDjWaDfpyiG by HudobniVolk@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #AWJWyUrsd1620LW0Tg by Codeberg@social.anoxinon.de
2023-06-03T12:18:02Z
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Today is a sunny day. What do we do on sunny days? We're using our solar power to set up a new server.Sadly, servers use a lot of energy, and fiddling with the setup of a new server is thus not the most sustainable thing.Still, we try to do our best and only rely on directly produced energy until it is shipped to the datacenter (where we can only use green power from the standard grid).Currently at installing the storage using #Debian 12 and #BTRFS.
(DIR) Post #AWJZ6feQcYf5flFTlI by miaplan@social.tchncs.de
2023-06-03T12:42:07Z
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@Codeberg what are your experiences with #BTRFS when doing random writes, e.g. apt upgrades? Are they slow?
(DIR) Post #AWJZYCFHXloga5c03c by Codeberg@social.anoxinon.de
2023-06-03T12:47:11Z
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@stilobique Not yet, but collaboration is very welcome. In https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/856 we discussed creating a team for this towards the end.Please kindly ping in there so we can move this forward.
(DIR) Post #AWJbbeeKav5FS46aAq by Keev@mastodonczech.cz
2023-06-03T13:10:06Z
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@Codeberg Guessing from angle if your PV panels you are not in the most suitable country for solar energy generation. Try to think about additional hydro or wind power generation options.
(DIR) Post #AWJblQBvCkQvVRTS1g by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2023-06-03T13:12:32.972137Z
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So I just found out this article: https://limited.systems/articles/frugal-computing/and it looks like *checks notes* recycling means jack shit
(DIR) Post #AWJbxJ3ZYafQqyEgpk by Codeberg@social.anoxinon.de
2023-06-03T13:14:07Z
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@Keev Sadly, not everyone has a river in the backyard :)The PV panels are primarily for an individual who sponsors us the location and solar power. The panels are angled very steep to provide the most efficiency in mornings and evenings when the energy is needed the most, whereas the high energy peaks during the day would instead go mostly unused.
(DIR) Post #AWJc9mAj8Gh2d0Wonw by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2023-06-03T13:17:00.009453Z
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reduce and reuse reduce and reuse reduce and reuse reduce and reuse reduce and reuse reduce and reuse reduce and reuse reduce and reuse reduce and reuse reduce and reuse reduce and reuse reduce and reuse reduce and reuse reduce and reuse reduce and reuse reduce and reuse reduce and reuse reduce and reusein particular: the energy costs of networking could be worth looking into, I wonder if the worst factor is heavy streaming or background activity
(DIR) Post #AWJcd4sSfIiD2WxO64 by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2023-06-03T13:22:14.593533Z
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Also: I’m very concerned about smartphones, which indeed can have terrible impact, but also seem the hardest to make clean enough. That article sites a really good study I already looked in the past, and behold: https://eeb.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Coolproducts-briefing.pdf
(DIR) Post #AWJciuB3MR5FajQphA by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2023-06-03T13:23:17.724649Z
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Also: I'm very concerned about smartphones, which indeed can have terrible impact, but also seem the hardest to make clean enough. The article cites a really good study I already looked in the past, and lo and behold: https://eeb.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Coolproducts-briefing.pdf
(DIR) Post #AWJcnP3EVxbaVGv1k0 by Keev@mastodonczech.cz
2023-06-03T13:23:27Z
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@Codeberg If angled to get maximum from morning OR evening sun(you don't get both for fixed installation )this point to small storage capacity of your system.Anyway, if you can't add wind or hydro as secondary generation, think about solar trackers. It can increase dramatically the efficiency of your PV system.
(DIR) Post #AWJcpl2DkbXvGPZHQu by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2023-06-03T13:24:35.712355Z
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The study concluded we need replaceable batteries, but... I kinda feel like the batteries themselves are a lot of the problem?
(DIR) Post #AWJdJpWpbjaVt8E2vw by efi@chitter.xyz
2023-06-03T13:28:27Z
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@xerz a phone that lasts 200 years???
(DIR) Post #AWJdJqBx8qTtwfSt1s by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2023-06-03T13:29:58.443852Z
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@efi a gift to future generations, an elegant weapon for a more civilized age :blobcatuwu:
(DIR) Post #AWJdZljPUchakFi2i0 by Codeberg@social.anoxinon.de
2023-06-03T13:32:18Z
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@Keev There is no storage involved at all.
(DIR) Post #AWJdrrmNkHkgiNjG76 by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2023-06-03T13:36:10.513155Z
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In particular, the full report cites this: https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s11367-015-0909-4.pdfDoes it look bad? Yes, the vast majority of pollution comes from extraction and manufacture ("E&M")... and networking. Huh. Although keep in mind this is a 2015 study with an US grid as reference.
(DIR) Post #AWJdxUyVRdotj35Mxs by mondstern@mastodon.green
2023-06-03T13:36:28Z
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@Codeberg Whenever I read #debian , I think of #TOPIOeV And besides, it's already available as jam.
(DIR) Post #AWJh3lUZFO7aYJlHqi by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2023-06-03T14:11:46.310555Z
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There's this other study which was not cited, but is very relevant... huh, would you look at that https://www.ericsson.com/en/reports-and-papers/research-papers/life-cycle-assessment-of-a-smartphone
(DIR) Post #AWJhl6QvGQm3x7ioiW by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2023-06-03T14:19:46.922917Z
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how is making a PCB so contaminating wow
(DIR) Post #AWJiXAKw3QeHxVq772 by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2023-06-03T14:28:24.707581Z
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So I guess, in conclusion, the issue *is* manufacturing the phone itself.That and, please live in countries and apply for utilities with a sane energy mix, and please demand hosting providers to do their part
(DIR) Post #AWJk2oCVzRjkWiYN3w by Codeberg@social.anoxinon.de
2023-06-03T14:44:47Z
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@miaplan Yes, btrfs is currently slower than e.g. ext4. We're testing Debian 12 with a newer kernel, which should bring massive overall improvements to btrfs performance. The server uses different SSDs, so the performance is hard to compare.We'll know more after the existing server is upgraded, too.
(DIR) Post #AWJmGmyTXwjogYmSPY by famicom@pl.kotobank.ch
2023-06-03T15:10:58.510933Z
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@xerz my guess is that it's the etching solution
(DIR) Post #AWJmOOeFsH19YWwyQK by efi@chitter.xyz
2023-06-03T15:04:55Z
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@xerz how is corroding metal with acid into a sludge of death so contaminating? we just don't know!
(DIR) Post #AWJmOPF7fCVZOsCPtA by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2023-06-03T15:11:41.058606Z
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@efi ..................ok fair enough, I just thought it would scale better than that when compared to the rest :blobcatderpy:
(DIR) Post #AWJmajdJg9og79OWfY by HudobniVolk@fosstodon.org
2023-06-03T15:13:12Z
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@Codeberg Solar Storage Batteries will be a solution.. ;)
(DIR) Post #AWJqNYTSFxdBYbkj5s by Codeberg@social.anoxinon.de
2023-06-03T15:55:39Z
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@HudobniVolk Depending on what you do, it is often not the most sustainable.We might use batteries with limited lifetime that would otherwise get scrapped. I'm personally doing this for other projects.However, if you can schedule the load to match the power availability, this is probably the better solution. Take nightly builds, just during the daylight. Ci builds, system upgrades, garbage collection, code search indexing, ... there's a lot you can only run when energy production is high.
(DIR) Post #AWJwbfquDjWaDfpyiG by HudobniVolk@fosstodon.org
2023-06-03T17:05:20Z
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@Codeberg Yes..scheduling.. Is also a great practice.. Very much used in building automation and HVAC systems... At the end it is all energy efficiency.BTW.. I made a system for a kindergarten last year.. Solar panels 25kW, hybrid SolarEdge inverter and BYD 40kW batteries. But to get to a useful management and good end result of all this is also a big studie. ;)