Post AW9XZm3AEtJpXZ3dLM by GreenFire@mstdn.social
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(DIR) Post #AW7bB2JUe8OuF1Ee6i by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-28T15:50:13Z
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At first glance, if it holds, it does appear to capture how a mature, shrewd President who's been to the rodeo more than once mostly held his own against a screaming drooling mob fumbling around with open cans of gasoline and cigarette lighters.Debt ceiling deal reached in principle by Biden and McCarthy to avoid default:https://www.npr.org/2023/05/27/1177688226/debt-ceiling-deal-biden-mccarthy-latest
(DIR) Post #AW7bB2xuDsj8GM8v68 by alfredo_liberal@universeodon.com
2023-05-28T17:45:48Z
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@TonyStark I surely hope this deal ends McCarthy's speakership
(DIR) Post #AW7i1uMTXck2eTDywS by wsrphoto@sfba.social
2023-05-28T17:39:22Z
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@TonyStark It shows president who doesn't have principles, and is willing to concede to republicans for a deal he can call bipartisanship compromise. Deht ceiling is political game that does nothing for the budget, revenue, spending, annual deficit, national debt. Biden has power under 14th Amendment to declare it unconstitutional, to ignore it, and to continue operating government as normal. He could make history. Instead he chose to play the game and Republicans won.
(DIR) Post #AW7i1v0X8gmgehxyNc by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-28T17:42:09Z
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@wsrphoto He won concessions from Republicans for veterans and poor people and eliminated the problem for the next few years at least. This is the correct way to go that will last longest and will actually make a big difference. I’m sure you’re sad the Freedom Caucus lost but that’s the breaks.
(DIR) Post #AW7i4fJBxqiipo0H44 by GreenFire@mstdn.social
2023-05-28T18:04:01Z
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@TonyStark @wsrphoto The agreement represents a compromise, which means not everyone gets what they want. That’s the responsibility of governing. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/05/27/statement-from-president-joe-biden-on-bipartisan-budget-agreement-in-principle/
(DIR) Post #AW7i5RO9CjClx4guS8 by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-28T18:47:35Z
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@GreenFire Numerous social media users prefer not to live in reality. I’m glad Biden does. Nobody lives a life of zero compromise and it’s ridiculous for anyone to see zero compromise as a good thing. He’s averting a world financial disaster and getting many concessions we all want along with it. Chip Roy is losing his mind about it. If anyone else is complaining in a zero fact manner, they’re helping out Chip Roy.
(DIR) Post #AW7i6JkL6R2gXXUOXY by silverhorseman@mstdn.social
2023-05-28T19:23:55Z
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@TonyStark @GreenFire IF this deal is what it appears to be and IF it actually holds, Biden has exceeded my expectations again.Really don't think anyone could have done better.
(DIR) Post #AW7jVCSXQufF8JakCG by municipaladhesives@kolektiva.social
2023-05-28T19:38:06Z
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@TonyStark @GreenFire Permanently compromising our way into fascism, but realistically. Realistically forcing 43 million USians to throw half of their paycheck away monthly. Realistically forcing hungry people out of the supermarket because they're too young to eat.Fuck this shitty president and his awful deals.
(DIR) Post #AW85Qnp9HaMeYrTZ1E by viccimn@home.social
2023-05-28T15:53:25Z
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@TonyStark I love my President.❤️
(DIR) Post #AW85RkGnyuwvpQrTBA by Onceoday@mstdn.social
2023-05-28T16:08:58Z
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@TonyStark if the ironically named "House Freedom Caucus" is all mad because of the lack of cruelty to the poor, disabled, and elderly, that's a very good sign. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/mccarthys-next-challenge-sell-debt-ceiling-deal-congress-2023-05-28/
(DIR) Post #AW85TNbBFCGC5sAfSa by Stoneycase@heads.social
2023-05-28T17:25:00Z
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@TonyStark Tony, two questions: could the dems have raised the debt ceiling back in January without this showdown? Can the debt ceiling be raised by executive order and thus avoided the cuts that were insisted upon? Thanks!
(DIR) Post #AW85TOarXrbHBB1vbU by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-28T17:35:37Z
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@Stoneycase No and no.
(DIR) Post #AW85Un1QCrwdES7LwO by Stoneycase@heads.social
2023-05-28T18:17:21Z
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@TonyStark Think this was the source that planted the seed. “Untested legal theory”https://www.reuters.com/world/us/could-biden-avert-debt-default-by-using-14th-amendment-2023-05-02/
(DIR) Post #AW85UnhFhLPBKBgl8q by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-28T18:32:15Z
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@Stoneycase Yeah- unfortunately SCOTUS. No point sending it there which is where it would end up and enduring the interim world instability.
(DIR) Post #AW85WrBngQImjhxRtA by Stoneycase@heads.social
2023-05-28T18:40:47Z
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@TonyStark Thanks for that. Seems like we will be adding “unfortunately SCOTUS” as a label going forward to all things progress, logic and / or equality that don’t happen.
(DIR) Post #AW85Wrtl2zSow2WYPA by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-28T18:43:48Z
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@Stoneycase Accurate and yet another reason that elections matter and while we on the progressive end can certainly afford discussion, we cannot afford unnecessary division.
(DIR) Post #AW85Wsyl1t3cHps3pw by Stoneycase@heads.social
2023-05-28T18:55:14Z
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@TonyStark Anything practical that can be done about SCOTUS? What does it take to remove Thomas over his dealings with Crow? Are we stuck with this group until they die? My hope in democracy used to lie with SCOTUS being the adults in the room. That’s out the window
(DIR) Post #AW85WteEXgEaMTHBU8 by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-28T18:59:25Z
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@Stoneycase He won’t be removed. We as a country continue to fail to give Democrats enough of a control over Congress to make that happen. And that’s outside of the fact that the Senate is set up poorly to start with. We had a chance to have a different SCOTUS and people blew it. Those same people want purple unicorns to fly in and fix their problems now. Trump got 3 SCOTUS picks. Probably won’t be fixed in my lifetime unless Democrats get a 2/3 Senate majority.
(DIR) Post #AW85a31M9Nb0Ieau6C by Stoneycase@heads.social
2023-05-28T19:11:08Z
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@TonyStark I’m struggling with the fact California has two senators. Same as South Dakota. And one is well past her retirement age. It’s frustrating, and as you state, not set up well at all. The idea of expanding SCOTUS kinda frightens me even more. What happens if we expand then end up with more of the Trump federalist society appointments?! 😩
(DIR) Post #AW85a3f3llM4HnAbz6 by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-28T19:15:26Z
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@Stoneycase It would have been far better and easier to have avoided this whole situation to begin with and the sooner everyone who isn’t a fan of the oncoming GOP fascism admits that, the better off we’re all going to be. If we dare to do that, we’d need to be absolutely sure that a Democratic majority has the Senate and I see no reason to believe a lot of people even understand the implications. At least not on social media.
(DIR) Post #AW85bDPyym4kpsfaTo by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-28T19:00:07Z
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@Stoneycase Meanwhile, red rose wackos are in my mentions every day spreading Putin talking points. Won’t be fixed until people wake up.
(DIR) Post #AW89AYiE6DdSsPkQe8 by edgeoforever@mastodon.world
2023-05-29T00:30:26Z
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@wsrphoto @TonyStark or, as the Pitchbot put it
(DIR) Post #AW89EusVd4I2mUdS9w by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-28T19:26:20Z
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@GreenFire @silverhorseman Same. I really think naysayers are Freedom Caucus fans or people who didn’t think Biden was up to the job and are now wrong and would rather burn the country down than admit they were wrong.He wasn’t even in my top 10 picks in the primary. I’ve admitted he’s exceeded my expectations. Others can do the same.
(DIR) Post #AW89FkC6pxGtw3CKI4 by Karoli@crooklyn.social
2023-05-28T19:42:20Z
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@silverhorseman @TonyStark @GreenFire wishing I brought my Dark Brandon 2024 shirt with me. This deal is a win for Biden.
(DIR) Post #AW89HxcPteia9JYloe by MoiraEve@mastodon.world
2023-05-28T22:06:39Z
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@TonyStark I definitely see this deal as evidence that Biden's strategy worked. It's still a shitty public policy deal but could have been way worse if Republicans had prevailed. @GreenFire
(DIR) Post #AW89MQKF6hlkLABfRg by seldear@aus.social
2023-05-28T23:08:46Z
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@TonyStark @GreenFire Compromise is one of those complicated by-products of democracy. Zero compromise really just means you're a dictator. (Which an awful lot of conservatives seem to want - to be the dictator who says "let it be done" and that's that, no argument, no moderation, no options or lenience for the other side.)Humans - the ordinary kind, living cheek by jowl with others who don't necessarily precisely agree with them on the details - give and take, and sometimes have to live with the lesser evil.Compromise doesn't feel great, but it's actually good for us as people to give way and not just 100% get our own way.(That said, I watched Beau of the 5th Column this morning, and he said something about 'work requirements (for welfare)' and OH AMERICA NO. Go look up Australia's "robodebt" if you want details: this does not end anywhere good.)
(DIR) Post #AW89MQuOwGh09J6Xo0 by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-28T23:13:17Z
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@seldear @GreenFire I personally wish there were no work requirements for it. Intrinsically, to get it in the first place, you have to already do a bunch of work. Or you’re doing a bunch of work for someone else who can’t.However, this country isn’t progressive. At least not yet. Most voting power is in the center. Won’t change until that does. And interestingly, I’ve only received negative comments about this deal from self-described left people. A mess of wrong.
(DIR) Post #AW89MT90cvZ95BxEqu by Heimdall@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-29T00:08:36Z
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@seldear @GreenFire @TonyStark Unless your party controls every part of the government with big majorities, you either compromise or you get nothing done. Want to get your way every time? Then win far, far more elections.
(DIR) Post #AW89N1HLiQRIwu7NZY by SteveRogers@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-29T00:16:07Z
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@TonyStark @seldear @GreenFire I get the impression that very few people actually realize what Biden pulled off, so once again he is not going to get the credit he deserves. It's just as well I suppose, since the success of his efforts relies on being low-key about it.Biden is dealing with horrible people. If he came across as a macho chest-beater, if he tried to humiliate McCarthy, if he provoked the toddler caucus, we would still not have a deal.
(DIR) Post #AW89TL9QkB1aJrQaeW by BobApril@c.im
2023-05-28T23:28:42Z
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@TonyStark @GreenFire This is probably true (sigh), but it just galls me to no end that the Republicans can pull this utterly unprincipled hostage-taking with absolutely NO legitimate justification, and in direct contradiction to their actions when they hold control...and not only get away with it, but get rewarded for it. Less than they wanted, but rewarded nonetheless. It's an indictment of the ignorance of our populace that this works.
(DIR) Post #AW89TLtA09bWbgp6vo by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-28T23:33:00Z
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@BobApril @GreenFire People who could have voted for someone else other than the Republicans they did in many House districts are indeed ignorant. People should be rightly blaming them. Don’t give Republicans charge of the House. We warned them.
(DIR) Post #AW89a0t6TrxLV6yOgK by marchuff@mastodon.social
2023-05-29T00:35:01Z
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@edgeoforever @wsrphoto @TonyStark@progressivecafe.social the democrats have acted like grown up the gop first time in history are throwing the tantrum. 250 YEARS NO PROBLEM business AS USUALLY who's not just rubber stamping it like they are suppose to save the economy duh
(DIR) Post #AW89g0bwQHGQNbnwZs by CassandraZeroCovid@mastodon.social
2023-05-28T23:58:15Z
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@TonyStark @GreenFire Debt Ceiling is an artificial construct. Giving in to blackmail now opens Dems to endless Debt Ceiling standoffs and compromises.
(DIR) Post #AW89g1GM01aeOwiDZI by edgeoforever@mastodon.world
2023-05-29T00:36:07Z
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@CassandraZeroCovid @TonyStark @GreenFire not if we take back the House in 2005
(DIR) Post #AW8BWGcaF2xz30aU5I by Sean@liberal.city
2023-05-29T00:56:44Z
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@edgeoforever @CassandraZeroCovid @TonyStark @GreenFire was that a typo or intentional? Win back the house in 2005?
(DIR) Post #AW8FOdKoJGqqzXtDw8 by joeinwynnewood@mstdn.social
2023-05-29T01:13:18Z
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@TonyStark @StoneycaseWhile it's bad, it isn't quite that bad. We "only" need 51 Senators willing to kill or at least bypass the filibuster to get truly important stuff done:- #FreedomToVote Act- Make DC a state (2 more D Senators)- Expand the Courts (I prefer Elie Mystal's proposal to turn SCOTUS into a bigger version of an appellate court with 25 members & shifting panel of 9 to hear more cases)- Codify Roe
(DIR) Post #AW9XZm3AEtJpXZ3dLM by GreenFire@mstdn.social
2023-05-29T14:32:54Z
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@SteveRogers @TonyStark @seldear I also think that we'd be wise to not gloat about the #DebtCrisis deal prior to it passing in the House since if we appear pleased with it that reduces the odds that it will get passed, but if we were capable of doing what's wise than we wouldn't be in the mess we're in either so...
(DIR) Post #AW9XZmizjMmNdId2Xo by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-29T14:35:52Z
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@seldear @GreenFire @SteveRogers “At first glance, if it holds” is the opening of the original post I made.
(DIR) Post #AW9XZnO7GTflgprsdk by GreenFire@mstdn.social
2023-05-29T14:39:48Z
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@TonyStark @seldear @SteveRogers I wasn't critiquing y'all just kind of reminding myself and others for what it's worth.I think maybe I came out too strongly promoting it a few times as a win as I was responding to other people's typical attempt to use it to paint Democrats in a bad light.I need to try harder to not get triggered by my "allies" efforts that help my opponents.
(DIR) Post #AW9XZo0Oy8IVbZmSJc by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-29T14:44:37Z
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@GreenFire @seldear @SteveRogers It’s funny (or maybe not…really not) how people complain that Democrats don’t tout accomplishments and then when they do, the same people complain about touting the accomplishments. They’re not able to be pleased. They’ll paint Democrats in a bad light no matter what happens.
(DIR) Post #AWQpJckffcfpon5QuW by mikej@mastodon.online
2023-05-29T02:19:14Z
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@mikebabyak @Stoneycase @TonyStark I expect those people to be awful. What I can't stand is the people who want to tell you how terrible liberals are because they aren't leftists who wouldn't vote for an impure liberal.
(DIR) Post #AWQpJdbUVEvOSbncEy by mikej@mastodon.online
2023-05-29T02:29:51Z
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@mikebabyak @Stoneycase @TonyStark And don't get me wrong. If you weren't on twitter, 99% of the people who favored other candidates happily voted for the less evil candidate because they were less evil. If you were extremely online though, you heard a lot from the small percentage that demanded purity.
(DIR) Post #AWQpJePpU5BsyjLohc by BruceMirken@mas.to
2023-05-29T02:40:22Z
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@mikej @mikebabyak @Stoneycase @TonyStark I had a good friend who essentially called me a traitor to the left because I voted for Hillary in the general rather than Jill Stein. He was a formerly reasonable person who went so far off the rails I had to block him on Twitter.
(DIR) Post #AWQpJf4x1C5H2GaenY by Allyson@mas.to
2023-05-29T15:05:03Z
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@BruceMirken @mikej @mikebabyak @Stoneycase @TonyStark I will not forgive the Steiners for allowing Trump.
(DIR) Post #AWQpJfrW6cvrStJRUu by Stoneycase@heads.social
2023-05-29T16:03:13Z
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@Allyson @BruceMirken @mikej @mikebabyak @TonyStark Not a Steiner, but also don’t understand this statement. Did she pull that many votes in the Midwest? I thought only California voted Green. And Ca went Biden in 2016. Is there a source article showing she helped flip swing states in 2016?
(DIR) Post #AWQpJh7rPLbFNry0bw by Stoneycase@heads.social
2023-05-29T16:07:35Z
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@Allyson @BruceMirken @mikej @mikebabyak @TonyStark Trump won 30 states, and 304 to 227 electoral votes. That was because of Jill Stein? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/15/the-counties-that-flipped-parties-to-swing-the-2016-election/
(DIR) Post #AWQpJhlD334jLuNQwa by Allyson@mas.to
2023-05-29T16:15:48Z
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@Stoneycase @BruceMirken @mikej @mikebabyak @TonyStark No. But many Steiners sat out the election.
(DIR) Post #AWQpJiMQoeqjDLn9xg by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-29T16:23:11Z
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@mikebabyak @Stoneycase @Allyson @mikej @BruceMirken At the very least, a lot of social media accounts and followers of so called third options tried very hard to get people to opt out of voting. There aren’t hard numbers because that’s impossible to quantify but it certainly seemed organized to suppress the vote.
(DIR) Post #AWQpJj9Lslytf4gEDI by Allyson@mas.to
2023-05-29T16:30:20Z
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@TonyStark @mikebabyak @Stoneycase @mikej @BruceMirken And the Russians messed in it.
(DIR) Post #AWQpJjlzZ6tDaul5RQ by Stoneycase@heads.social
2023-05-29T16:58:46Z
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@Allyson @TonyStark @mikebabyak @mikej @BruceMirken Yes they did. As they do. Still not pinning anything on greens or Bernie bros. People voted for Trump in spite of the deleterious red flags, his open misogyny, his credible accusations of sexual assault. His multiple bankruptcies and morally bankrupt nature. Ima blame the folks that voted for him. Blaming Green Party voters let’s his supporters off the hook.
(DIR) Post #AWQpJkPhBUeHa3KnKK by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-29T17:01:30Z
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@mikej @Stoneycase @BruceMirken @mikebabyak @Allyson This discussion has been going on for 7 years. Nobody will ever come to a solid conclusion on it. I really don’t think it’s worth going on and on about except to acknowledge that any Democrat would have been better than Trump and still will be. Tapping out.
(DIR) Post #AWQpJl2gqVqBWzZw6i by Stoneycase@heads.social
2023-05-29T17:33:55Z
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@TonyStark @mikej @BruceMirken @mikebabyak @Allyson Locally, in Arcata, housing is our emergency issue. Many factors involved. County has lost most of its economic base. I’m trying to get more involved in policy and politics. Thanks for your efforts. 🍻
(DIR) Post #AWQpLLRD0vgQhPntvk by Stoneycase@heads.social
2023-05-29T16:52:49Z
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@TonyStark @mikebabyak @Allyson @mikej @BruceMirken Gotcha. I prefer to blame the folks that voted for Trump. The wyt women in the Midwest. I’d say that demographic hurt us a lot more than “steiners”. Also, were there really that many folks that sat out because of Bernie or Stein? IDK but I’m still blaming the trump voters 10000%
(DIR) Post #AWQpXFH7ki7h3qlGfg by dibi58@this.mouse.rocks
2023-06-07T00:49:41Z
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@Stoneycase @TonyStark @mikej @BruceMirken @mikebabyak @Allyson imvvho, transforming close to bankruptcy commercial real estate into 200sqft studios would be the sane thing to do, for a number of issues ...but probably wont happen because of the usual real estate and banking mafia lobbying corruption ...