Post AW84arPyfuxieKvzjk by kkarhan@mstdn.social
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(DIR) Post #AW2iaLfpWwATPktsvI by joelle@social.joelle.us
2023-05-26T04:19:26Z
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The most common gender affirming surgery is breast augmentation -- in cis (non-trans) women.The regret rate is around 20%.Gender affirming surgeries in trans people have around a 1% regret rate.Guess which people need approval from a mental health provider...
(DIR) Post #AW3FetA4GLYiv7og2S by kkarhan@mstdn.social
2023-05-26T06:12:22Z
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@joelle the same people that get denied surgery as minors when the other ones don't...
(DIR) Post #AW3Feu2J0gwbdLBzZw by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-26T15:49:34Z
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@kkarhanMinors should be protected. And if you don't agree, stay the fuck away from them.@joelle
(DIR) Post #AW3RCTHW5Z1BzsW5C4 by doxy_cycling@med-mastodon.com
2023-05-26T06:35:31Z
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@joelle I would love a source for this if you have one please
(DIR) Post #AW3RCUqIHkQmq1nN2W by earthworm@kolektiva.social
2023-05-26T06:50:24Z
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A total of 27 studies, pooling 7928 transgender patients who underwent any type of GAS, were included. The pooled prevalence of regret after GAS was 1%Based on this review, there is an extremely low prevalence of regret in transgender patients after GAS.:anartrans_symbol: (Regret after Gender-affirmation Surgery: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Prevalence)https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8099405/@doxy_cycling @joelle
(DIR) Post #AW3RCVbRSS93CFr1Wq by joelle@social.joelle.us
2023-05-26T07:19:09Z
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@earthworm @doxy_cycling And this looks at breast reconstruction after masectomy in (cis) women. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233371110_Regret_associated_with_the_decision_for_breast_reconstruction_The_association_of_negative_body_image_distress_and_surgery_characteristics_with_decision_regret
(DIR) Post #AW3RCWHGwvbbHzQQjI by earthworm@kolektiva.social
2023-05-26T09:04:42Z
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@joelle @doxy_cycling Highly interesting. However, I wonder if the two situations are comparable. In this study about breast reconstruction after mastectomy (mean age: 52 years), most of the women apparently regretted because the surgery results were bad (=poor quality of plastic surgery).And the study stresses the importance of therapeutic approaches accompanying the decision making process.Anyway, it's complicated... and society/industry with its demands on women's bodies and binary gender categories definitely sucks.
(DIR) Post #AW3RCX10CuBXZoox0a by InayaShujaat@paktodon.asia
2023-05-26T09:48:42Z
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@doxy_cycling @earthworm @joelle The worst thing is that society thinks that breasts = women. Women feel pressure to get reconstruction surgery, lest they be viewed as “less feminine.” Our “femininity” (don’t like that word, because it has a very narrow definition, and doesn’t allow for all the different ways women should be allowed to live and express themselves!!) is defined by others, and by our physical forms. It’s utter BS.
(DIR) Post #AW3RCXiban3zl3DlyK by matrix@gameliberty.club
2023-05-26T17:58:30Z
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@InayaShujaat @doxy_cycling @earthworm @joelle
(DIR) Post #AW3RGeFhF4SJBEemoa by mzan@qoto.org
2023-05-26T17:48:05Z
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@joelle the study suggests that the mental approval process is beneficial, because there is a low regret rate. They say:> We believe this study corroborates the improvements made in regard to selection criteria for GAS. So the low regret rate is the effect of the selection criteria.One can discuss about how to determine if the selection filter is too much stringent, but not that it is not useful.
(DIR) Post #AW3Tg6NC1g9BXlQbwW by jr@social.anoxinon.de
2023-05-26T18:26:37Z
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@Hyolobrika @kkarhan @joelle protected from what? What is the danger here?
(DIR) Post #AW3X8JH1xHYVWbgihc by InayaShujaat@paktodon.asia
2023-05-26T19:05:07Z
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@earthworm @joelle @matrix @doxy_cycling @oliphant I think I’ve found a new candidate for #defederation. They run the instance they’re on.
(DIR) Post #AW3XU1hpx4lfPWa8MC by matrix@gameliberty.club
2023-05-26T19:08:55Z
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@InayaShujaat @earthworm @joelle @doxy_cycling @oliphant
(DIR) Post #AW3cVIeEwm1E12KGci by caitp@mstdn.social
2023-05-26T20:05:32Z
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@Hyolobrika calm down bro, no need to swear at people
(DIR) Post #AW3mbm4RSycWY0J8Rk by kkarhan@mstdn.social
2023-05-26T20:55:45Z
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@jr @Hyolobrika @joelle Also non-consensual & non-medically necessary surgeries are constantly performed on minors, like genital mutilations of inter* children.Also male genital mutilation aka. circumcision isn't banned either.And both of these things are neither medically nexessary in almost all cases and they never are based upon any informed consent whatsoever.
(DIR) Post #AW3mbmoWhdU2qvrwHI by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-26T21:58:46Z
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@kkarhan>Also non-consensual & non-medically necessary surgeries are constantly performed on minors, like genital mutilations of inter* children.That doesn't sound good either. But I'd rather not have this conversation right now.@jr @joelle
(DIR) Post #AW3mbnl1CAGtmLEeRs by kkarhan@mstdn.social
2023-05-26T20:56:38Z
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@jr @Hyolobrika @joelle and yes, there are cases of cis teens getting breast augmentations under the age if 18.https://social.joelle.us/@joelle/110433059919178727
(DIR) Post #AW3nMO40XdSbhYKb0C by kkarhan@mstdn.social
2023-05-26T22:07:11Z
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@Hyolobrika @jr @joelle it is not good - period.I think anything with neither consent nor medical indication should be allowed.
(DIR) Post #AW3nYocLdmRxX2JtQm by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-26T22:09:27Z
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@kkarhanAny medical intervention without consent should be banned full stop. Regardless of how "medically necessary" it may be.@jr @joelle
(DIR) Post #AW3pJka4ZBjqZpCRZg by kkarhan@mstdn.social
2023-05-26T22:29:05Z
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@Hyolobrika @jr @joelle That may sound good in theory, but that would basically make it necessary to let people die "due to lack of consent" when they are unconcious and had an accident or sth.OFC if someone had ample of time to explicitly decline consent then that's a different story...But shit ain't that simple and people have a right to get emergency treatment if need be.Most of the world ain't an anarchocapitalist & antisocial shithole like the USA where people face medical debt.
(DIR) Post #AW3pW0PNXulN8k2dQ8 by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-26T22:31:21Z
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@kkarhanI guess consent can be assumed in such cases.@jr @joelle
(DIR) Post #AW3qBX6yrR4ARMEnk8 by kkarhan@mstdn.social
2023-05-26T22:38:50Z
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@Hyolobrika @jr @joelle see...That's the point:OFC consent should always be taken into account, but do you expect i.e. a 10yr old with leukemia to comprehend the seriousness of the situation on their own?Most adults don't even do that...And it's not as if medical professionals - at least in most places - get any substantial kickbacks from doing shit...If people wanted to get rich with a diplpma, they'd be lawyers, tax advisors, banksters or CFOs...
(DIR) Post #AW3rsbTYbvd8NitoIq by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-26T22:57:51Z
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@kkarhan>but do you expect i.e. a 10yr old with leukemia to comprehend the seriousness of the situation on their own?Yes. That's why we don't allow children to make every decision on their own. Now what does that imply for the medical interventions that this thread started off being about?@jr @joelle
(DIR) Post #AW3wQkZ3j148ET0i12 by Leroy@defcon.social
2023-05-26T23:48:48Z
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@Hyolobrika @kkarhan @jr @joelle in a lot of cases there are advanced directives that you can work out legally but that takes a lawyer and time and money
(DIR) Post #AW40xx08uDhwB3lVg0 by raphaelmorgan@sovereign.lgbt
2023-05-27T00:39:37Z
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@Hyolobrika @kkarhan @joelle you're right, minors should be protected from a) transphobia and being forced through bodily changes they expressly don't want b) the sex-conforming surgeries, circumcisions, etc that are performed on infants who do not have the ability to consent and c) constantly having adults tell them what their bodies are supposed to look like. I'm glad we all agree on this.
(DIR) Post #AW4XsScLk1tMz1csrI by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2023-05-27T06:48:00Z
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@joelle The one (maybe nosy thing) I wonder, is "the whyS" for the 1% case of regret rate. And if it's a "poor job / too costly" or something more on the line of "NOOOOOOOO MY LIFE IS OVER" level. >_<
(DIR) Post #AW4qWFJaPyPIU4yEsK by fedup@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-05-27T10:17:17Z
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@Hyolobrika @kkarhan @jr @joelle Gender affirming care for minors rarely includes surgery.Do you have data that "non consensual" surgeries happen all the time?I'd really like to see it.In the mean time....https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2023/05/23/catholic-church-illinois-sexual-abuse/https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/29/health/us-children-gun-deaths-dg/index.htmlYou might be focused on the wrong things.
(DIR) Post #AW5hPR2Zie2mOUeQrY by nartagnan@mstdn.fr
2023-05-27T20:09:54Z
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@otyugh @joelle I saw it was something like, in the majority of regrets, because of a "lack of support from friends and families".=> they shunned her/him, until the loss of the full social circle became a regret against the full procedure.
(DIR) Post #AW77alFlhV14EbqLoW by Dangandblast@mastodon.world
2023-05-28T12:29:24Z
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@kkarhan @Hyolobrika @jr @joelle would also ban medical treatment of children entirely, if we're going on the premise that they can't give informed consent.
(DIR) Post #AW77am3OiyiOiX3zAe by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-28T12:38:02Z
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@DangandblastWe get their parents consent@kkarhan @jr @joelle
(DIR) Post #AW7D8ngXfILTOSPutM by Dangandblast@mastodon.world
2023-05-28T13:40:13Z
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@Hyolobrika @kkarhan @jr @joelle yes, that's the concept. With the exception of trans kids, all other kids can have their parents consent to medical treatment on their behalf, even if it's genital surgery that's not medically necessary.
(DIR) Post #AW7pYMrxmhge0sNU7k by Drezil@toot.kif.rocks
2023-05-28T20:50:36Z
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@Hyolobrika @kkarhan @joelle so.. either ban both of none. But don't half ass and call it "protection".
(DIR) Post #AW7qkFCYDfVjf1Eb4q by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-28T21:03:59Z
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@DrezilHonestly, I don't think minors should be getting breast augmentations either. But at least it's not physical castration.@kkarhan @joelle
(DIR) Post #AW84arPyfuxieKvzjk by kkarhan@mstdn.social
2023-05-28T23:39:08Z
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@Hyolobrika @Drezil @joelle call me weird but either we're consequent or don't.
(DIR) Post #AW8iq84X2B02oNjrWa by shakil_tcs@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-05-29T07:10:07Z
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@joelle Do what you want with your own body. Just don't force your "preferred pronouns" upon other people, don't force yourself into unisex spaces of the opposite sex and don't brainwash other people's children. Live and let live.
(DIR) Post #AW9N5blKvNYtPAhD7o by joelle@social.joelle.us
2023-05-29T14:41:05Z
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@shakil_tcs Always fascinating when pseudo-libertarians say “do what you want” and “live and let live” followed by commandments of what I should do.