Post AW5VBzfoxVREInpf4i by xianc78@gameliberty.club
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(DIR) Post #AW5TOsR4ypK5i8x7AG by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2023-05-27T17:31:02.015610Z
45 likes, 22 repeats
tbh semi-open registrations and invites are really how fedi should work in general. We should not be actively trying to grow. Normies are cancer and ruin everything.
(DIR) Post #AW5TRVR2x59HFFBtFA by PurpCat@boks.moe
2023-05-27T17:33:28.130515Z
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@RustyCrab my multi user instance is literally going to be just people I know on telegram and vet first and all because I hate normies
(DIR) Post #AW5TWmOXKARFI9X0EK by creamqueen@asbestos.cafe
2023-05-27T17:34:26.139031Z
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@RustyCrab real
(DIR) Post #AW5VBzfoxVREInpf4i by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2023-05-27T17:53:01Z
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@PurpCat @RustyCrab Is there a way to allow user-generated invites like cock.li?
(DIR) Post #AW5WfMmmCu2uKrehuq by Ash@awoo.fyi
2023-05-27T18:09:34.226920Z
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ActivePub just isn't really a good design for either of these goals.
(DIR) Post #AW5kauOXDlBaTy5LLU by PurpCat@boks.moe
2023-05-27T20:45:35.338726Z
4 likes, 2 repeats
@Ash @RustyCrab Here's the thing though, ActivityPub introduces one question that never existed on Twitter: "what instance should I join". The answer for most ends up being either Mastodon for leftoids, Poast for rightoids, or Misskey.io and Pawoo for the Japanese. Of course people from Poast end up making new accounts once they're balls deep in the culture, but how many people from Mastodon instances end up moving to others and not going back to Twitter, especially when their instance of choice shuts down like FreeCumExtremist and Sleepy.cafe did just now, without warning?Muddying the waters is the fact that the Fediblock Wall or Rainbow Curtain exists and that a certain segment of fediverse promoters advertise only servers that resemble ResetEra in rulesets. The end result? People join, get banned, go back to Twitter where as long as you're not Kevin MacDonald or posting edgy memes you can get by a lot easier even if only 4 people notice your posts screaming into the void.
(DIR) Post #AW5vdpeQPgrA8P79EW by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2023-05-27T21:16:51.314066Z
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@PurpCat @Ash >as long as you're not Kevin MacDonald or posting edgy memeseveryone I know has to restart their twitter account 3 times per year. Nothing changed under musk.
(DIR) Post #AW7VLvwM5BKnw4E2oC by PurpCat@boks.moe
2023-05-28T17:04:16.006206Z
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@RustyCrab @Ash Not a lot has changed, other than a few journalist meltdowns.But the thing is, Twitter has the pull it does because of the power of normies on the site. That power is fading now sure, I've literally heard Sirius XM DJs talk about I shit you not, getting e-mails with song requests now on his personal e-mail he linked to his website outside of SXM and at least one of them fucking put his email address in the station display instead of his Twitter after he deleted it. But most of them still use FB/Twitter solely. It says a lot they'd also rather use e-mail over the fedi.The only thing that would actually kill the site IMO is if Twitter had it's own Tumblr moment, in which Twitter bans something so much of the site posts or uses that tons of big name users have to go because of the new rules. The result would be just like the porn ban on Tumblr, a cataclysm of the internet. Right now most websites are still reeling from the effects of that porn ban. Elon Musk isn't even the same kind of fiasco that a porn ban would be, and even that wouldn't hurt Twitter as much as it did Tumblr because the normie who wants to keep up to date on filtered news or wants to look at shitcoin Twitter for how to get rich quick will still use it. In fact, I'm thinking both posts I've read in this side of the web and lefty papers about their style of censorship; they will use social media to socially engineer people with bans. A lot of normies will fall in line to keep their social media accounts and Xbox Live accounts, the most they'll do is bitch about the propaganda in a game before going back to playing or saying "yeah this TV show was great except for the propaganda".
(DIR) Post #AW7WSylO5JFyfl1EZ6 by Ash@awoo.fyi
2023-05-28T17:16:45.178594Z
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I have a Twitter account that is fairly ordinary since it's intended to interact with those kindsof individuals for one of my hobbies.The reality is that on that Twitter account, it actually has none of the drama, none of the politics people are screaming about. If that account is anything to go by, it seems ordinary people are mostly unaffected even.What people here often don't seem to grasp is that ordinary people don't like Facebook, Instagram, Twitter already; they just don't. But they're still using them despite not liking it. However, from an ordinary person's point of view, they're more interested in the network effect which the fediverse currently does not offer them.Ordinary people aren't interested in joining "the new thing", it's annoying and that's why you see an interest to just use something like e-mail instead.
(DIR) Post #AW7WoF7cSWAlUNYbCa by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2023-05-28T17:19:53.966977Z
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@Ash @PurpCat fedi and twitter are fundamentally incompatible platforms. One is filled with weirdos and the other is filled with normies
(DIR) Post #AW7X2fYSyiqZWWzfAO by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2023-05-28T17:16:54.675598Z
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@PurpCat @Ash my reason for hating twitter is just the userbase itself. If you've ever seen even a single comment section on that site, no explanation is needed
(DIR) Post #AW7XOK4nW26NHQRQsS by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2023-05-28T17:24:25.558109Z
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@Ash @PurpCat also going back to email strikes me as a boomer thing. Do zoomers even use email anymore? I know I don't except for business and signups.
(DIR) Post #AW7XOKzA8TBk6EoRjU by Ash@awoo.fyi
2023-05-28T17:27:07.137599Z
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It's more about having the lowest common denominiator to communicate when lacking an alternative they already have to switch to.
(DIR) Post #AW7XvYNpLNL7CzBiXQ by rlier23@bae.st
2023-05-28T17:33:07.791560Z
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@RustyCrab yeah fairIf someone wants to join without connections let them do their own instance but any healthy community should aim to gatekeep its territory
(DIR) Post #AW7Y8lNSLMg7H0JUAK by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2023-05-28T17:34:43.083131Z
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@rlier23 doing your own instance is a big filter in itself
(DIR) Post #AW7Yf15BUGQZFV98M4 by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2023-05-28T17:41:19Z
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@PurpCat @Ash @RustyCrab >It says a lot they'd also rather use e-mail over the fedi.Honestly, that's good for them. Most people would probably benefit from a social media detox where they don't have a constant news feed shoved into their face 24/7. Just wait until they learn that it's possible to send an email to multiple recipients at once.
(DIR) Post #AW7Yvzg5xl25ocVSwS by GrungeQueef@poa.st
2023-05-28T17:44:26.144729Z
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@RustyCrab there was a time for growth. this is no longer the time for it.
(DIR) Post #AW7ZQhFKXcwlcycyZ6 by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2023-05-28T17:42:17.122468Z
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@xianc78 @PurpCat @Ash >reply allinstant hellthread
(DIR) Post #AW7ZQhwZwpXdn6rVya by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2023-05-28T17:49:57Z
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@RustyCrab @Ash @PurpCat At the very least it would kill the need for Facebook. My family used to send email post cards all the time before Facebook came into their lives.Also, mailing lists seem to be more familiar to normies than RSS feeds, though most sites call them "newsletters" these days. There are mainly for the normies (mostly boomers) out there who out right refuse to use social media. I'd rather have businesses, celebrities, etc priorities those (along with blogs) over social media.
(DIR) Post #AW7ZWFYiOYqrUiLJXU by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2023-05-28T17:49:11.151503Z
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@GrungeQueef my thing is that a lot of people want to grow fedi in order to break people away from big tech and big media. The reality is that if you import the third world you become the third world. Just like we're seeing with Mastodon, the normies came in and the corporations followed the normies. Now it's just a hellscape comparable to twitter. We're only protected by the rainbow curtain. You will not impose freedom on normies. They will put the shackles on you instead to share their misery.
(DIR) Post #AW7bQp1boundf3OgeO by AmericanChampion@poa.st
2023-05-28T18:12:25.243382Z
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@RustyCrab Have to disagree. Normies will never be a core audience, but the group of people that frequent e.g. imageboards and are still fun and not totally jaded are responsible for pretty much every big cultural thing that's in any way good. Can't really make a community off of just techfags and ultra-engaged politics people. The Mastodon instances are a good example. Essentially just a few weirdo gen-x guys talking to nobody, with a recent influx of #stillwithher boomerlibs.
(DIR) Post #AW7c6NyWmSXjvkm77o by PurpCat@boks.moe
2023-05-28T18:19:53.756900Z
3 likes, 4 repeats
@RustyCrab @GrungeQueef Picrel; this is already happening and has happened to the Mastodon side of fedi, because the Mastodon side was engineered for them. The only thing that has insulated this side from that is both the Fediblock nonsense, their successful attempts to potray the fediverse as only their side to normies, and Mastodon having marketing pushes that vastly overpower anyone else.It was even happening back in 2017:https://www.vice.com/en/article/783akg/mastodon-is-like-twitter-without-nazis-so-why-are-we-not-using-it
(DIR) Post #AW7cCQs6vNEEeRemga by Tadano@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz
2023-05-28T18:20:58.434909Z
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@RustyCrab @GrungeQueef normalfags tempt me to take the billions-must-die-pill
(DIR) Post #AW7cOJJAs4CAfVyn3I by PurpCat@boks.moe
2023-05-28T18:23:08.041110Z
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@RustyCrab @GrungeQueef There is one silver lining to normies marketing the fediverse as only Mastodon; it fucks over slander and blood libel attempts hardcore.Whenever someone from the ADL/SPLC/HopeNotHate/whatever NGO exists this week runs a hit piece on Poast, they act as if Poast is some Neo-Nazi social network like Gab and Parler. Whenever someone runs a hit piece on Mastodon, they blame Eugen for everything and be sure to call it Mastodon as many times as possible. In a way, Eugen's crusade to make everything about himself is a blessing in disguise because it means any hit pieces are misdirected, and the same goes with the Gab Myth that "defederating made them leave". It gives these types a giant blind spot with this side of the fedi.
(DIR) Post #AW7cbmRtq0JioNU34y by gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks
2023-05-28T18:25:34.431Z
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@RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co You will not impose freedom on normies. They will put the shackles on you instead to share their misery. Harsh, but I see what you mean.@GrungeQueef@poa.st
(DIR) Post #AW7cuJjgogGNGHdypU by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2023-05-28T18:24:52.205099Z
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@PurpCat @GrungeQueef people who like free speech are prey animals and it benefits us to fly under the radar
(DIR) Post #AW7cuKVXwkXnei2CQK by PurpCat@boks.moe
2023-05-28T18:28:55.288307Z
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@RustyCrab @GrungeQueef It's more if you advertise anything you do as explicitly free speech and not merely subtly imply it or try to curate a community around something else, you attract pedophiles and feds and other unsavory types overnight. The end result is you'll either end up with another Pawoo situation, or you'll end up with someone notorious for saying dumb shit who just so happens to have screencappers following him everywhere on your side fedposting about big tech again. Or at best you'll end up with DRC's trans bee (who everyone suspects is a troll) literally arguing with everyone because of the rules being free speech except for fedposting.
(DIR) Post #AW7cwVCPASRnOR7JpY by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2023-05-28T18:29:18Z
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@gabriel @GrungeQueef @RustyCrab Except if you give it a bad enough reputation, you will see people trying their best to kill it (maybe not completely) like what so many people tried to do with imageboards after the 8chan linked mass shootings. Now, imageboards are considered dead or dying at this point because nobody wants to risk hosting them anymore.
(DIR) Post #AW7dDFQT46SROdgCrQ by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2023-05-28T18:31:06.260927Z
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@PurpCat @GrungeQueef yeah absolutely never advertise anything as "free speech". It sucks in retards from 500 miles in every direction
(DIR) Post #AW7dDGAYIlJxhZF0gy by PurpCat@boks.moe
2023-05-28T18:32:20.717076Z
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@RustyCrab @GrungeQueef I'm sure the only reason Amazon is restricting Wickr to paying fed/similar customers only is because literally the #1 customer of it were pedophiles.
(DIR) Post #AW7dYkjhqitMaJvtPk by PurpCat@boks.moe
2023-05-28T18:36:13.660995Z
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@xianc78 @gabriel @GrungeQueef @RustyCrab It's also imageboards just aren't culturally in vogue anymore, like BBSes and IRC were after a while.Aside from imageboards being extremely vulnerable to a AHS style "posting CP to own the chuds" attack or the even easier "fedposting to own the chuds" attack, imageboard culture has been diluted hardcore thanks to everything from the infamous 4chan jannies to the fact that people don't give a shit that much to sacrifice everything to run a site like that.But most importantly IMO, I think the #1 thing killing imageboards is simply people online use different communities now in 2023, be it Discord/TG/Matrix groups or social media in some form. When you're trying to find friends and communities online, why post on a dying imageboard when you can go to Discord. Like it or not, you're dragged kicking and screaming because that's where the people are at and you're not. Before the 8chan thing, it was already in terminal decline.
(DIR) Post #AW7dtHJqPtbDQkciLA by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2023-05-28T18:39:36.223644Z
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@PurpCat @xianc78 @gabriel @GrungeQueef people call me crazy but discord is a LOT more healthy than twitter as far as social media goes. Humans were not meant to operate by shouting 24/7 in a public square.
(DIR) Post #AW7eS1DGI6Cdc66s88 by Miyako@hidamari.apartments
2023-05-28T18:46:09.874560Z
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@PurpCat @RustyCrab @xianc78 @gabriel @GrungeQueef yes even when gamergate started in 2014 4chan was in terminal decline, they got another 4 years thanks to the 'culture war' shit but that's pretty much dead in the water now. People under 30 are addicted to mobile also. For everything.
(DIR) Post #AW7eWYjDchjMiaDrSC by PurpCat@boks.moe
2023-05-28T18:47:02.077893Z
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@RustyCrab @xianc78 @gabriel @GrungeQueef as cancerous as many Discord jannies are, as much as I hate a lot of groups on Discord and how hard it is to find decent groups half the time when nobody will even drop an invite if you imply you want one, I agree.
(DIR) Post #AW7ebnrykuqb7rowjI by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2023-05-28T18:48:00Z
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@PurpCat @RustyCrab @gabriel @GrungeQueef >But most importantly IMO, I think the #1 thing killing imageboards is simply people online use different communities now in 2023, be it Discord/TG/Matrix groups or social media in some form. When you're trying to find friends and communities online, why post on a dying imageboard when you can go to Discord. Like it or not, you're dragged kicking and screaming because that's where the people are at and you're not.I really hate this as a gamedev. I really don't want to use shit like Twitter or Discord, but I'm afraid I have to if I want a decently sized audience, especially given that the hobbyist gamedev community is now full of zoomers who have probably never heard of an Internet forum. Even the anons at /agdg/ realize that using sites like Twitter and Discord are necessary if you want a player-base.Literally, my only other option is to pay someone to do my social media for me.
(DIR) Post #AW7egsDo0Csc4URoLQ by PurpCat@boks.moe
2023-05-28T18:48:54.780503Z
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@xianc78 @RustyCrab @gabriel @GrungeQueef I don't like how Discord is full of alphabet people at every corner and I'm sure they will throw me under the bus if something happens, I don't need that shit IMO.
(DIR) Post #AW7gKMIIEB48aSwEt6 by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2023-05-28T19:07:13Z
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@PurpCat @RustyCrab @gabriel @GrungeQueef Just seeing what they tried to do to the Ion Fury devs a few years back makes me feel uneasy. But I'm afraid that the alphabet people is an Internet wide phenomenon at this point. Even if you decide to cater to the freetards and host your community on IRC, you still have to deal with the "programming sock" types who are sometimes even worse.This two way interaction between viewers and "content-creators" (I hate this term but I can't think of a better one) and the toxicity that it brings really makes me wish that RSS took of instead of social media, where these cancel-culture types are instead on some remote blogs on obscure corners of the Internet. Seriously, interacting with fans outside of fan-letters and fan-emails has brought only the worst in people.
(DIR) Post #AW7hJbTaOZD5L2QN96 by franz@ryona.agency
2023-05-28T19:17:56.627051Z
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@PurpCat @RustyCrab @GrungeQueef it’s not so much normies that ruin a lot of things as it is terminally online troons and freaks that the normies are supportive of.
(DIR) Post #AW7mi3o7DCbFvVVZ1U by arcanicanis@were.social
2023-05-28T20:18:46.403869Z
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The key difference though (aside from very dissimilar platforms) is that Discord lacks any algorithmic prioritization of posts (which wouldn't even make any sense on instant messaging to begin with). Whereas I would demarcate the time when Twitter/Facebook opened the Pandora's Box of algorithmic prioritization (instead of chronological order) as the turning point of when the internet started to turn to crap, online discussion and politics became more vitriolic, etc.A decade ago you could have people terminally online on forums and IRC and not see as severe of mental illness that you normally see on Twitter today.
(DIR) Post #AW7pCHAiHsefyIc796 by wrongthink@cdrom.tokyo
2023-05-28T20:47:01.403633Z
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@xianc78 @RustyCrab @Ash @PurpCat Just insist that if people want to contact you online, they do so through email. They will generally come around.
(DIR) Post #AW7qGMH5MD7MuU6YNs by Dozu@bae.st
2023-05-28T20:58:36.335547Z
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@xianc78 @gabriel @xianc78 @PurpCat @RustyCrab @gabriel @GrungeQueef The one I've always figured is to have a public facing twitter for strictly business, but to primarily advertise alternative outlets.There's no reason to have a discord, you're just babysitting the most mentally ill retards on the planet. Even big "content creators" like Sseth have realized it's 100% not worth the effort. Just have a public forum or instance or whatever for troubleshooting, you want that to be public and not behind the great retard app.
(DIR) Post #AW82XWfb9xO1WWWUU4 by Ash@awoo.fyi
2023-05-28T23:16:08.425062Z
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> There's no reason to have a discordDiscords are good for appealing to your active participants. If your business depends on active participation (i.e. you're a streamer, content creator, multiplayer game developer), Discord is one of the best way to indirectly keep that activity high.It does have the side effect of being more hostile to more passive consumers of your content because unlike a proper forum or such, it locks content behind active participation in a community that is not searchable by common web search engines.
(DIR) Post #AW83JLUo0XVKlfHEo4 by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2023-05-28T23:18:52.266905Z
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@Ash @Dozu @PurpCat @xianc78 @gabriel @GrungeQueef it would be great if admins could make their discords publicly indexable so that information could be found but then you'd have your technical documentation mixed with furry porn
(DIR) Post #AW83JMCPOQNmwtg3lo by Ash@awoo.fyi
2023-05-28T23:24:46.846868Z
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I honestly think that Discord is the biggest memory hole problem we are currently facing online. Chats get deleted (owners clean up stuff, re-organize etc), servers get deleted, accounts and servers fall inactive then get deleted. There is no "Internet Archive" for Discord.I've seen valuable information lost and have no way to retrieve it because it was posted on Discord some time ago.
(DIR) Post #AW83OTXzV50DBdDGvA by PurpCat@boks.moe
2023-05-28T23:25:41.975227Z
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@Ash @Dozu @RustyCrab @xianc78 @gabriel @GrungeQueef Unfortunately you can end up in the situation where SSeth was in in which he actually shut his Discord down because it got out of hand. Or shit like that one Fallout mod fiasco. Or like the one Discord server I'm in which had a flamewar. Or when the owner decides to close the server or throw a tantrum first.
(DIR) Post #AW83YrD0NkrxT2LbcW by PurpCat@boks.moe
2023-05-28T23:27:28.688599Z
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@Ash @Dozu @RustyCrab @xianc78 @gabriel @GrungeQueef Nobody will post archives anyway because of "that guy" who doesn't want his info out there.
(DIR) Post #AW83lTr6WJaynr7fgu by PurpCat@boks.moe
2023-05-28T23:29:51.645256Z
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@Ash @Dozu @RustyCrab @xianc78 @gabriel @GrungeQueef That's also the biggest problem with the PC-98 community I've noticed too. Everything is stored in one Discord server, including stuff with old computers, and even then people who "know it all" won't post it unless I prod them for questions at times. If the server goes down and there was a risk of that when the last admin went apeshit, it's toast. Unfortunately some things take a massive priority over me writing up or scanning in documents for old computers (webm related).
(DIR) Post #AW8461cGhyiVIlyoRU by PurpCat@boks.moe
2023-05-28T23:33:34.441353Z
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@Ash @Dozu @GrungeQueef @RustyCrab @gabriel @xianc78 I should add, Reddit is a major memory hole problem only slightly easier to archive. From bots that wipe all your posts to Reddit's moderation team, the website is not the same as it used to be but every midwit still uses it. In fact it's taken the role of forums, to the point people will use Reddit as a search term.Of course now Reddit and it banning anything that offends corporations is no better than forums run by boomers who say "DON'T POST THIS SOFTWARE FOR PROGRAMMING A 25 YEAR OLD RADIO" at this point.
(DIR) Post #AW84rr33IqtOQSJZKq by arcanicanis@were.social
2023-05-28T23:42:14.092445Z
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I was recently bickering similarly about Discord guilds centering around software projects to offer tech support. I was poking around with Stable Diffusion on AMD, and experimenting with different models, but the problem was that nearly everything is completely unsearchable, and yet every project page being "JOIN OUR DISCORD. JOIN OUR DISCORD."If some of it was more accessible, then you wouldn't need people to hop onto a Discord guild to ask the same question over and over again, and be at the mercy of how bad the search on Discord is.Meanwhile for continuity: I've kept an older forum alive for over 18 years now that has some archival merit, despite some admins going rogue or trying to kill it by pulling the plug on the hosting/domain, yet I've 'kept the lights on'. Meanwhile you're not going to see such continuity with a Discord guild, since you can't just export/import, or deploy your own installation on commodity software elsewhere. If it's posted on Discord, it's most likely going to die with Discord too.
(DIR) Post #AW85RN4cE4X5sxyuUC by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2023-05-28T23:37:21.288614Z
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@PurpCat @Ash @Dozu @xianc78 @gabriel @GrungeQueef literally the only use for reddit at this point is checking if a service is down and why (see: Aurora store)
(DIR) Post #AW86I12grqP8uCBSds by Dozu@bae.st
2023-05-28T23:58:11.136021Z
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@gabriel @xianc78 @arcanicanis @Ash @PurpCat @RustyCrab @xianc78 @gabriel @GrungeQueef I remember going to forums where the mods would, rightfully, yell at you for asking the same question that's been answered 100x before. With discord, there's practically a guarantee that will happen because it's not at all set up to easily search for past information.
(DIR) Post #AW8WKeW5fikWigqyIq by tn5421@fedi.absturztau.be
2023-05-29T04:49:58.859450Z
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@RustyCrab @Ash @PurpCat @xianc78 You love to see it!