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(DIR) Post #AVutWAkrjF6Cchmt2u by breadandcircuses@climatejustice.social
2023-05-22T13:30:23Z
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Why are so many climate scientists so scared and so angry? Maybe it's because they know better than most of us how bad our situation today truly is, and how horribly we've been betrayed by our so-called leaders.Here's an excerpt from an excellent piece on this subject by Alan Urban..._____________________________Even if the planet stopped getting warmer right now, we would still be in big trouble. The ice caps would keep melting and sea levels would keep rising. Look at what’s happening at a mere 1.2°C of warming. We’re already seeing some of the worst heat waves in human history, not to mention record-breaking floods, droughts, wildfires, and water shortages.But of course, warming isn’t going to stop at 1.2°C. Because of the heat we’ve already trapped in the atmosphere, and because we continue to emit huge amounts of greenhouse gases every year, the climate is warming exponentially.All of these climate-related crises are stretching farms to the limit, yet this is just the beginning. As crop yields decline and the population grows, we will see food insecurity get worse and worse until we’re in a global famine.And that right there is why climate scientists are scared. They understand that human civilization was born during the Holocene, when global temperatures were very stable and stayed within a range of about 1°C.As we push the planet out of that range and raise the temperature about 50 times faster than would occur naturally, it will become harder and harder to produce enough food to feed everyone, and this will lead to social instability, political upheaval, the worst migration crisis ever, and wars over resources. Disasters that weren’t supposed to happen until we reached 1.5°C are happening now, so we can only imagine what will happen when we hit 2° or 3°C.This is why top scientists from around the world are warning us that we face a ghastly future filled with untold suffering. They’ve been telling us over and over, year after year, summit after summit, that we have to stop burning fossil fuels as quickly as possible. But as you can see [below], the world keeps ignoring them._____________________________FULL ARTICLE -- https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fmedium.com%2F%40CollapseSurvival%2Ffaster-than-expected-why-climate-scientists-are-so-scared-985db6579f2e#Environment #Climate #ClimateChange #ClimateCrisis #ClimateEmergency #CO2 #Emissions #Capitalism
(DIR) Post #AVutWBEzvDCa89sx0q by greyknight33@noagendasocial.com
2023-05-22T15:03:49Z
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@breadandcircuses love the way you presented the graph. there probably are some retards here who will bite
(DIR) Post #AVvejCwdasNZ1d0lZw by jchaven@social.sdf.org
2023-05-22T23:39:45Z
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@breadandcircuses
(DIR) Post #AVvenDunvZrdC34Jn6 by Raven47@mastodon.world
2023-05-22T22:54:59Z
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@breadandcircuses At the wheel for the past 5,000 years, violent men who value competition over cooperation have steered us into this climate catastrophe. Should these profiteering monsters save us now?Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha 🥵🥵🥵🥵
(DIR) Post #AVvepQzUHg0sKFJUbw by ChofuAlum@mstdn.social
2023-05-22T22:50:56Z
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@breadandcircuses key words = the world keeps ignoring them.Even if everybody stopped doing everything today, it's too late. It's literally time to adapt or die. The planet doesn't care if "life as we know it" remains or disappears. The planet will keep spinning, and life, albeit different, will move on to the next stage(s).Warm bloodeds have had their run.
(DIR) Post #AW1onC0x9xvpmvKQE4 by TobiWanKenobi@kolektiva.social
2023-05-22T23:43:42Z
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@breadandcircuses All civilizations come to an end at some point. This one is on its final stretch. Mos people don't even realize just how radical the changes would need to be to fix this mess - on a global scale. What would be necessary across the whole world is massive De-Growth and De-Industrialization, abolition of capitalistic systems (be it democratic or authoritarian), switch to a closed-loop economy, massive renaturation/reforestation where possible, complete change in diet away from any sort of meat, etc. Yet, what many people believe is some sort of "Green Growth and Technology will solve it all, so we don't have to change anything," resulting in the climate crisis passing like so many other crisis didAnd since so many people hope that this dream will miraculously come true, the tragedy will take its course.I just feel sad for the children being born into this world these days. They haven't deserved any of this.
(DIR) Post #AW1onCwNiRrwf2CHjs by MarkRNay@ravenation.club
2023-05-23T02:54:53Z
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@TobiWanKenobi @breadandcircuses why are you convinced that the only future MUST involve giving up capitalism? That is naive since capitalism is mostly an analysis of how mu man’s behave. Ignoring human instinct is doomed to failure.
(DIR) Post #AW1onDnYWkP5Jx4kca by yma@mastodon.social
2023-05-23T12:45:05Z
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@MarkRNay @TobiWanKenobi @breadandcircuses The claim that capitalism is just “human nature” is so funny. Human nature is as complex as it is malleable, and its expression under capitalism is not more authentic or complete than anything else. Besides, markets and competition can exist without capital. We actively make the world around us, and we can make it differently if we choose to.
(DIR) Post #AW1onEfRIPVO14Hmbo by MarkRNay@ravenation.club
2023-05-23T13:38:12Z
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@yma @TobiWanKenobi @breadandcircuses we can try but capitalism is grounded in human nature and works in its predictions because it assumes the worst about us. Communism fails because it assumes the best and humanity can’t deliver
(DIR) Post #AW1onFI4ykPhwuMdpw by TobiWanKenobi@kolektiva.social
2023-05-23T13:52:57Z
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@MarkRNayCapitalism as a principle exists for ~200 years while humans (homo sapiens) as a species exist for ~300k years. So why would you say something as insignificant on the time scale as capitalism is grounded in human nature? If you want to claim that political/economic systems can be part "of human nature," which I would counterargue, shouldn't we all live under dictatorships since for the last several dozens of thousands years that has been the prevalent system?@yma @breadandcircuses
(DIR) Post #AW1onG7TtdWwWKPgxM by axre@mastodon.social
2023-05-23T16:17:52Z
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@TobiWanKenobi Maybe you all should define the words you use a bit more to avoid irritation?I could understand @MarkRNay as such that "capitalism" involves the "human nature" of working for their own perceived benefit (whatever that maybe) - and trough exchange practically for the benefit of others. Where you part ways is maybe, that one of you thinks we need to destroy the world to have that principle, while the other one thinks regulation can fix what's wrong.@yma @breadandcircuses
(DIR) Post #AW1onH3yOAJnRjmP7w by MarkRNay@ravenation.club
2023-05-23T16:32:53Z
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@axre @TobiWanKenobi @yma @breadandcircuses my points by is that while many people try to separate capitalism as something optional, it is an inevitable byproduct of humanity. Since it cannot go away one must regulate it and control it so that it benefits humanity rather than the few who always try to seize control of it for their enrichment
(DIR) Post #AW1onHj5vHDBVH1FDs by AdrianRiskin@kolektiva.social
2023-05-23T17:47:02Z
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@MarkRNay @axre @TobiWanKenobi @yma @breadandcircuses I wonder what the word "capitalism" means to you that you think this statement is so clearly true that it doesn't need a supporting argument. Here's what I mean:Capitalism is an economic system in which people need cash to meet vital needs, the only ultimately reliable source of cash is to work for others, and it is illegal to fail to participate.Probably you mean something different. What?
(DIR) Post #AW1onI4icsVcaL8Vvc by axre@mastodon.social
2023-05-23T16:25:29Z
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@TobiWanKenobi Even @MarkRNay - I would say - acknowledge that behavior might be mostly for the own benefit (whatever that might be), he doesn't vouch for egoism or the status quo. But indeed believes in reform, maybe a a quite big one but in line with what he understands as "capitalism principle(s)".@yma @breadandcircuses
(DIR) Post #AW1onIQLKTo3fPFmdM by GeofCox@climatejustice.social
2023-05-23T19:19:40Z
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@AdrianRiskin @MarkRNay @axre @TobiWanKenobi @yma @breadandcircuses Yes - what is understood by 'capitalism' here is difficult to understand, isn't it?The argument seems to be based on 2 propositions:1. That an economic system that developed in Europe over a few hundred years, and was violently imposed on most of the rest of the world over even fewer years, arises inevitably out of 'human nature' - whereas other much more stable and long-lived systems (thousands of years) were mere aberrations... and2. That this is because 'capitalism' is based on an idea about 'human nature' (that people are bad), whereas at least one other system is based on the idea that people are good.The first proposition is obviously going to be indefensible. The second is more interesting, and on this I recommend Rutger Bregman's book 'Humankind' - which convincingly argues - and thoroughly evidences - that people are basically good, but are convinced by those that would control and exploit them that they are bad - so need to be controlled.But I think you can easily make people see the idea that people are bad is false by asking a simple question: 'so are your family and friends bad? your child? your Mum?' Generally they answer 'no'. Everybody answers no.
(DIR) Post #AW1onJF2I0M8CcyGeG by MarkRNay@ravenation.club
2023-05-24T05:01:08Z
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@GeofCox @AdrianRiskin @axre @TobiWanKenobi @yma @breadandcircuses this is SUCH bs. Are you saying that supply and demand was created by Adam Smith? He only observed it. He did not create it. People are being so willfully blind to their prejudices here
(DIR) Post #AW1onJrJzeys7MsqK8 by HeavenlyPossum@kolektiva.social
2023-05-25T22:52:46Z
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@GeofCox @breadandcircuses @yma @MarkRNay @TobiWanKenobi @AdrianRiskin @axre If capitalism is an inevitable byproduct of humanity, why has capitalism only existed for, at most, the last few centuries and even then not in the entire world?
(DIR) Post #AW1ppkgpJBLRrhhN6u by dibi58@this.mouse.rocks
2023-05-25T23:25:20Z
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@MarkRNay @TobiWanKenobi @breadandcircuses --because economics is not thermodynamically efficient-because infinite growth mandated by mpp leads to collective suicide-because elitism in conflict of interest while making decisions -because is too late to sustain elitism before the dragon king of the dnd of human civilization, ergo, capitalism is not compatible with an egalitarian system now
(DIR) Post #AW1r387fb2QqGBCIE4 by dibi58@this.mouse.rocks
2023-05-25T23:38:59Z
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@MarkRNay @TobiWanKenobi @breadandcircuses --because economics is not thermodynamically efficient-because infinite growth mandated by mpp leads to collective suicide-because elitism is in conflict of interest while making decisions -because is too late to sustain elitism before the dragon king of the end of human civilization, ergo, capitalism is not compatible with an egalitarian system, necessary now to minimize the damage of the religion of economics
(DIR) Post #AW1rmjDmVm4gLmnajo by putnamca@universeodon.com
2023-05-23T04:15:17Z
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@MarkRNay @TobiWanKenobi @breadandcircuses I don't know if anyone is "convinced" that Capitalism is a failed experiment - what I'm leaning toward is that Capitalism is shitty, for so many other reasons, that it can't possibly be useful, now that we've doomed ourselves, in ways that we could have managed, before the almighty dollar became the thing that was worshiped, above our species.In trying to save Capitalism, you sound dramatic and deluded, not us.
(DIR) Post #AW1rmkC2tiHRMgzifg by putnamca@universeodon.com
2023-05-23T04:16:46Z
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@MarkRNay @TobiWanKenobi @breadandcircuses It's the wrong tool, for the job that we now have to do.
(DIR) Post #AW1rqBSNzMuan3HHDE by MarkRNay@ravenation.club
2023-05-23T04:22:48Z
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@putnamca @TobiWanKenobi @breadandcircuses I am not trying to save anything. Human behavior is what it is. Regulate and incent it.
(DIR) Post #AW1rqCJYnfRjRy9k5w by TobiWanKenobi@kolektiva.social
2023-05-23T06:11:12Z
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@MarkRNay Will try to be concise here, but I'll fail, I know. But let's sort out the issue with capitalism first. Many people don't realize it since they never experienced anything other than capitalism, but capitalistic systems NEED growth. That's very simple to explain, too. If a bank borrows you money, so that you can build your company, they want the money back + an extra, right? So your company needs to earn that money. That's the driving force. And you can't remove that part from the system either. Now then, this leads to another essential part of capitalistic growth: energy and technological advancement. Economical growth is being fueled by these two alone. Energy to manufacture and technology to constantly come up with new stuff to beat out your competitors and sell your stuff to make a win (grow), which also needs energy.So the great idea people came up with is to make the energy part renewable. Because if we got millions of solar panels, windmills, and a huge infrastructure of megatons of batteries to store the energy for times when there's no sun or wind, then we can do green growth, right? All great?NO, first off all these windmills, solar panels, batteries need resources. These resources can't be extracted nature-friendly. And since the energy needs have been constantly growing for decades now and would continue to do so in our capitalistic system, we'd need to build more and more of these (and no fusion won't be available reliably on a cheap scale for the next 100 years), not to even mention that creating natural gas has a ridiculously bad efficiency. And you need gas for many industrial processes. So renewable energy will be scarcer than the future energy consumption estimates in all Western countries.Nuclear energy? No, no, forget that. The material is limited and currently nuclear power plays no real role in the grand scheme of energy production. Globally it covers ~10%. You wouldn't be able to build as many reactors as needed in a short time. And asking people to store the waste of ~5 times as many reactors will be fun, I'm sure. The loudest shouters pro-nuclear power over here usually are the quietest when it comes to taking the waste.Anyway, scarce energy means less industry, less industry means decline, and decline means de-growth. And this is where the part I told you above kicks in. Capitalism doesn't run without growth for an extended period of time. And if de-growth continues for too long, then the whole thing comes down crashing.You mentioned regulation, right? Sorry, but that doesn't work. We've seen it for the last 80 years. Capitalistic systems will always lead to money congregating into the hands of a selected few. That's the curse of competition and the need of eternal growth for you. Companies will always vie to grow more than their competitors, which will lead to the winner crushing the losers. Of course governments can regulate it, but how far do you want to regulate it? And can you guarantee that it'll be regulated on a global scale for hundreds of years until the overheated Earth gets back into a more normal state? And if you're going to put such a heavy control on everything via the state anyway, how is that still capitalism?In summary: capitalism has brought us into this situation, and you usually don't fix a problem with the problem's cause. You simply cannot grow without limit on a finite planet. And it'll still take some time until we can get rid of Musk and Bezos on Mars.Now as for solutions, there exists a very simple one. Just, no one likes to mention it, because of the capitalist-sponsored indoctrination by media and economy -> Less is more. Share and care. A closed loop economy with everyone being equalized in what they get. That's all it takes. A system that would be actually socially fair too. You extract as much from nature as it can regenerate while putting more emphasis on longevity, quality, and durability of products instead of profit as it nowadays.Is it idealistic? Maybe. Do we have a choice? I don't think so. 😉 @putnamca @breadandcircuses
(DIR) Post #AWHyjYTJM9cxEolcFU by yogthos@mas.to
2023-05-27T14:33:10Z
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@MarkRNay @TobiWanKenobi @breadandcircuses capitalism is a failed analysis of human behavior that creates a contradiction between the interests of the individual and the interests of the collective. Far better analysis of humanity are available, and it's frankly incredible that people are still unable to accept that.