Post AVzswcSsCMlPvfDb6m by c9a@cathode.church
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(DIR) Post #AVzpaDIqliJXes9e6K by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-05-25T00:13:11Z
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Dear nerdy board gaming friends:I have a specific card game I'd love to play with a friend across the country while live streaming.Is there a way to somehow do that?For example, I thought of having my husband make two identically ordered decks, and then I could mail the other player one, and we could use our duplicate decks to play together (with some "promise not to look" activity), but then I realized you usually have to shuffle the discard pile and my scheme fell apart!#BoardGames
(DIR) Post #AVzpl3w5w2zrnBgTZI by peterdrake@qoto.org
2023-05-25T00:15:09Z
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@grammargirl The perfect tool for this exists:https://playingcards.io/
(DIR) Post #AVzq9G5AQXWmPhStxg by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-05-25T00:19:32Z
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@peterdrake This is so close to what I need, and I'm hopeful something like this exists. It's my own game, Peeve Wars, that has a 72-card deck.This looks like it's limited to 52 cards. (Please tell me if I'm wrong!)
(DIR) Post #AVzqfCkmL5IJM8A5iK by c9a@cathode.church
2023-05-25T00:25:16Z
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@grammargirl I've thought about building a robot for this but it has...not materialized yet 😅 If you're open to playing virtually, Tabletop Simulator is a very flexible tabletop gaming system that would definitely support Peeve Wars. It would require some prep to create the deck, but they've got the process pretty streamlined with a nice blog post outlining how: https://blog.tabletopsimulator.com/blog/create-cards-for-your-game-with-tts
(DIR) Post #AVzqjJZEwma5eBiydE by peterdrake@qoto.org
2023-05-25T00:26:02Z
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@grammargirl You can make custom decks! I did this when I designed my game Siva Afi: The Fireknife Dance of Samoa.
(DIR) Post #AVzqjbTsLSz9ClLwlk by kifty@mastodon.social
2023-05-25T00:26:04Z
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@grammargirl @peterdrake I haven't messed around with it myself, but I'm pretty sure that it's flexible enough to support pretty much any card game: https://playingcards.io/docs/custom-decks
(DIR) Post #AVzqjpTgIz9GcDMzPU by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-05-25T00:26:11Z
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@c9a I'll take a look at Tabletop Simulator. Thanks!
(DIR) Post #AVzqlAmgZcfQzBtq3U by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-05-25T00:26:24Z
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@peterdrake Thanks! I'll look closer.
(DIR) Post #AVzqmt2HX67sWG0n56 by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-05-25T00:26:42Z
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@kifty @peterdrake Thanks!
(DIR) Post #AVzrjMOGYEcgMBB27k by c9a@cathode.church
2023-05-25T00:37:14Z
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@grammargirl Cool! And since you presumably already have files with the card art in them in some form, you can probably skip the first few steps. If it works well, you could even post the deck to the Steam Workshop so others could play too!Caveat, mods on Steam Workshop have to be free - in my experience virtual tabletop games often turn into physical purchases, but that's your call!Either way let me know if you have trouble - I haven't actually put together a custom deck myself, but I've done enough similar things I can probably figure it out!
(DIR) Post #AVzs47Gzx4WRYKftya by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-05-25T00:41:00Z
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@c9a Thanks so much. It looks great so far, and yes, I have all the art! And I've been trying to wrap my head around putting it on the Steam Workshop and was thinking it would probably translate to physical sales. Nice to know that might be realistic.
(DIR) Post #AVzsW3BClT0oxvHjPM by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-05-25T00:46:04Z
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@peterdrake Did the deck you made have more than 52 cards?
(DIR) Post #AVzsf1IB9SxLiYp9TE by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-05-25T00:47:42Z
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@c9a Do you know whether the person I'm playing with would have to buy Tabletop Simulator separately or if I could just invited them to my game?
(DIR) Post #AVzskj6NhBrN2U1jEG by c9a@cathode.church
2023-05-25T00:48:41Z
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@grammargirl Yeah it is of course a gamble, and hard to get good data about, but it seems to work well enough for big-name games to license themselves to BoardGameArena, which is a similar web-based 2D game platform. They have a whole presentation about it, of course: https://en.boardgamearena.com/gamepublishers(BGA would also be a candidate for Peeve Wars, but it's a less flexible system so afaik the process to get a game up and running there is more involved)And anecdotally: I bought Race for the Galaxy after learning about it on BGA, and many expansions for both Settlers of Catan and Star Realms after playing a ton of them on digital versinos.
(DIR) Post #AVzswcSsCMlPvfDb6m by c9a@cathode.church
2023-05-25T00:50:50Z
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@grammargirl Both people playing do have to buy Tabletop Simulator, unfortunately. That is the main downside, especially if you're just trying to play the one game!
(DIR) Post #AVztrI1OsUkH23OH9U by peterdrake@qoto.org
2023-05-25T01:01:08Z
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@grammargirl Yes, 108.You can see it in action on playingcards.io here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZU8RHUmttQ
(DIR) Post #AVzvEKYJjZbdUpL0Oe by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-05-25T01:16:29Z
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@peterdrake Thanks! The video is really helpful. This looks great too.
(DIR) Post #AVzwQ5wXybBTcEqQYS by c9a@cathode.church
2023-05-25T01:13:59Z
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@grammargirl Now that I'm down this rabbit trail...I was thinking about it more, and BGA doesn't solve your immediate problem, but if you want an online/virtual version of Peeve Wars, BGA is a great option imo, and they even allow revenue sharing (at the cost of limiting accessibility to premium subscribers)To hit the highlights of their pitch deck, if you haven't clicked through already: the effort for you is lower even than Tabletop Simulator...as long as you're not in a hurry 😅​ You basically just put the files up and hope someone picks it up to develop, then playtest when it's done. And it doesn't necessarily require a software dev Peeve Wars fan - there is some motive for folks to develop even games they're not familiar with, and the game is mechanically straightforward enough that it probably wouldn't be a huge lift, relatively speaking.
(DIR) Post #AVzwQ6pqezQ6Nkiaki by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-05-25T01:29:47Z
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@c9a I'm not in a hurry, and it would be *very* nice to have someone else do the work.This is definitely a rabbit hole, and I have to stop for the night soon, but I'm excited to learn more about the different possibilities—both just playing with friends for fun and making it more widely available.
(DIR) Post #AVzxFrxxBldRKABsPI by urbanfuzzy@aus.social
2023-05-25T01:39:09Z
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@grammargirl Sing out if you want a hand getting the game mod up and running. I've done quite a few.@c9a
(DIR) Post #AVzxuxS9h0B0DOuSau by c9a@cathode.church
2023-05-25T01:46:33Z
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@grammargirl Nice! Yeah, good things to think on, ha. BGA and TTS are probably the most well-known online tabletop options. To sum up:TTS is easier to build a basic game in because you don't have to program any rules - it's a physical simulator, so all you need is the cards.BGA bakes all the rules in - so it's harder to build a game in, but they might do it for you. And the result is a lower barrier to entry for *players*, and friendlier to a less technical/computery audience. I've hosted virtual game nights with my parents over BGA very successfully!Oh, and even for the premium-only games, on BGA only one person in the game has to have a subscription - so you could have a paid account, and invite a friend with a regular account. It's a nice system.
(DIR) Post #AW00W0MO2zTTr00LMu by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-05-25T02:15:42Z
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@urbanfuzzy @c9a Ooh, thank you. I'm bookmarking this.
(DIR) Post #AW0UVCDnSU1IycW7Sy by RogerBW@emacs.ch
2023-05-25T07:51:38Z
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@grammargirl @c9a Hi, total stranger who saw your post from the boardgames tag here. If you do go down the TTS route, I'd be happy to build a mod of your game for you; I've done it a few times before.
(DIR) Post #AW0mBesizPHjFQUhFY by d_s_e@chaos.social
2023-05-25T11:09:50Z
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@grammargirl Maybe a RPG platform like roll20.net, where you can create your own card decks could also be suitable.If you also want others to play your game, an implementation on boardgamearena.com would be a nice thing.
(DIR) Post #AW0mbcIDEmiEkPnGrY by CuriousTerran@universeodon.com
2023-05-25T11:14:33Z
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@grammargirl https://vassalengine.org/It has been around forever so it is clunky relative to newer technology, but it has all the functionality to play games online with friends that you build yourself. None of the rules are enforced but allows you to manipulate pieces and cards and keep them secret from other players, shuffling, etc.Very well tested
(DIR) Post #AW0urgHCzc11MzUl1c by Oliver@lasersare.fun
2023-05-25T12:46:40Z
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@grammargirl there's a few options that I know of:- boardgamearena.com- Tapletop Simulator- tabletopia.com- screentop.ggOf these, screentop might be the best, it's geared towards playtesting and allows quickly creating custom objects, which is what it sounds like you want.
(DIR) Post #AW0ydTaBn6sDlMr5WK by wrrrdnrrrdgrrrl@eldritch.cafe
2023-05-25T13:29:20Z
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@grammargirl Possible low tech solution: "shuffle" using an ordered method.Like, take the discard pile, deal it out into 3 piles (like 1,2,3,3,1,2,3,3) and then stack the piles 2 onto 3 onto 1.
(DIR) Post #AW11yGFar3PeMEpAv2 by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-05-25T14:06:44Z
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@wrrrdnrrrdgrrrl Good idea! It would definitely be the fastest way to get started playing, Thank you.
(DIR) Post #AW12Mer71bpPcS0UJk by martyn@toot.martyn.berlin
2023-05-25T14:11:07Z
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@grammargirl There's a couple of options. I like Vassal as it's lightweight and 2d. There's also Tabletop Simulator but that's 3d and heavier. Another option would be to get the game added to Boardgame Arena. All of those require a fair amount of work for someone if it's never been digitised of course. You could maybe setup a glass table with another computer and webcam that you could put his cards on face down? Very clunky but he could then tell you which cards he wants to play?
(DIR) Post #AW12cO15Os8O1jAijA by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-05-25T14:13:57Z
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@RogerBW @c9a Thank you so much! I really appreciate it!Last night, I also emailed the main guy I made the game with, and he said he likes Board Game Arena best as a player, so I'll probably try that.
(DIR) Post #AW13JUyLPlBu3HRm3k by wrrrdnrrrdgrrrl@eldritch.cafe
2023-05-25T14:21:43Z
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@grammargirl I'm just amazed I had a useful idea this early in the morning 😄