Post AVmHHz1TSvkRjTM9Am by thomykay@chaos.social
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(DIR) Post #AVlmX9Shq0tnsEqY0u by luckytran@med-mastodon.com
2023-05-18T04:31:15Z
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When a billionaire wants to tell you what is morally wrong, always ignore them. Their goal is to pit workers against each other so that they can preserve their own wealth and power.https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/elon-musk-work-from-home-morally-wrong/
(DIR) Post #AVmGaXlkuy2cksI4I4 by TOrynski@mastodon.scot
2023-05-18T10:44:16Z
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@luckytran so an owner of car co łany that sabotaged public transport projects wants people to have to commute to work. I wonder why he would want that.
(DIR) Post #AVmHGK6u5jtGYU6Wps by thomykay@chaos.social
2023-05-18T08:15:12Z
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@luckytran I know it's trendy to criticize Musk these days. and yes, there are often enough reasons to do so. however, I think in this case he has a point. it is a matter of fairness, justification to continuously reflect for the "laptop class" how they are contributing to value creation in a company. and this is a topic beyond the trivials of #wfh #wfa vs #officework.
(DIR) Post #AVmHGKwJ0d0V7u9ZxI by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-05-18T11:17:10.614067Z
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@thomykay In the UK the public debate after COVID19 started with popular media running articles praising return to work… because it’s good for the economy of London. So @TOrynski is 100% right with this “owner of a car company” example - when I worked in the City, I was spending ~4000 GBP for the cost of train tickets alone, that the company of course wouldn’t reimburse. But it’s not my personal objective to “support the economy of London”, especially when I’m forced to do so, while struggling with many other expenses where I live.The company came up with many arguments for the “no remote work” policy which were at the level of sophistication that could have been suitable for 5-years-olds, but the primary reason for that was they had a long-term contract for a rental of a very expensive office in the center of London and having employees in was simply a way of getting a ROI on that rental. Of course, at the cost of employees…@luckytran
(DIR) Post #AVmHHwcwNAw2InrWee by TOrynski@mastodon.scot
2023-05-18T10:45:46Z
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@thomykay @luckytran lol, what?Some jobs require working away, some work don't. There is nothing morally wrong with someone having a job that allows him to work from home. Its like saying "some work make people dirty so we should expect all other workers to get dirty too".
(DIR) Post #AVmHHxIlreOaOXQvr6 by thomykay@chaos.social
2023-05-18T11:02:09Z
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@TOrynski @luckytran IMHO this is a complex topic. there is no right or wrong here. it's a societal transformation we're in. hence it's just not helpful to label someone's voice inappropriate.companies make invitations - to join or leave them. his companies make an invitation for an in-presence culture. and that's one way to play in the market.
(DIR) Post #AVmHHxyFNRZYTAq3VI by TOrynski@mastodon.scot
2023-05-18T11:04:30Z
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@thomykay @luckytran it is wrong to force people to do things that they don't have to do for work (like commuting to do a job that they can perform equally well from home) while not only not paying them for their time but expecting them to bear the cost of that commute.
(DIR) Post #AVmHHz1TSvkRjTM9Am by thomykay@chaos.social
2023-05-18T11:04:49Z
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@TOrynski @luckytran rg. "some work make people dirty so we should expect all other workers to get dirty too".maybe we should aim for the opposite:how can we free up more people from being bound to come to the factory floor, to reduce the growing gap between "the laptop class" and people producing the foundational physical products?(excluding most service jobs here...)
(DIR) Post #AVmJuYJitG6w6mPXQu by thomykay@chaos.social
2023-05-18T11:16:16Z
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@TOrynski @luckytran well, I think things are a bit more interwoven than you're trying to make them.interesting read to make your own conclusions and hypotheses from the beginning of the industrial revolution, when weavers moved from their own work-from-home houses to the factories: https://users.manchester.edu/facstaff/ssnaragon/kant/lp/Readings/IndustrialRevolution.htmlbtw. you seem to look at things with an restricted lens of "company owners are exploiters. period." believe me, there is more...
(DIR) Post #AVmJuYxQVds05uzFJo by TOrynski@mastodon.scot
2023-05-18T11:46:05Z
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@thomykay @luckytran lol, seriously?Weavers had to move to work in mills because of the industrialisation and scale of production available in the mills of the industrial era. If your job is to click things in excel and answer emails, you don't have to go to the factory to work on that big computer that takes two floors anymore. You can do it from your laptop sitting in a comfy longue chair at your balcony equally well (if not better).