Post AVj2FKOnS3osNFf3FA by konni@toot.kartonrad.de
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 (DIR) Post #AVijQp4bqZbvZ6zDKS by kaia@brotka.st
       2023-05-16T18:05:47.148232Z
       
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       do the ends justify the means?
       
 (DIR) Post #AVijQzdiYtdUKtUORM by why@shitposter.club
       2023-05-16T18:09:55.632579Z
       
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       @kaia also i love war crimes
       
 (DIR) Post #AVijRA3xoAZWfBqUjo by lain@lain.com
       2023-05-16T18:06:25.064942Z
       
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       @kaia that's just basic economics
       
 (DIR) Post #AVijvltdi04Wgnc39c by Paradox@raru.re
       2023-05-16T18:19:50Z
       
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       @kaia No, but the means justify the ends.
       
 (DIR) Post #AVimATvR0TTfCmauvo by p@raru.re
       2023-05-16T18:44:55Z
       
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       sometimes?@kaia
       
 (DIR) Post #AVj1CYaI9cmHXw9WbI by konni@toot.kartonrad.de
       2023-05-16T21:30:35Z
       
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       @kaia There is a maximum mean meanness for every endOn the x axis we have end goodnessOn the y axis we have mean meannessIf the end is good as fuck, the means are allowed to be pretty badBut if the ends are like kinda fine, and overshadowed by the fallout of the mean meannessThen you're a villain
       
 (DIR) Post #AVj1HqQNFjjiKA2EgC by konni@toot.kartonrad.de
       2023-05-16T21:32:22Z
       
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       @kaia Like if you donate money for a childrens charity (end)But you get that money by selling slave childrens organs on the black marketThe net end actually has negative value and is clearly cringe.In less clear cut cases you're kinda bargining w it
       
 (DIR) Post #AVj1LGOx7wZ9l905tg by kaia@brotka.st
       2023-05-16T21:34:56.228922Z
       
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       @konni makes sense. although it's often hard to estimate whether an evil method will lead to the desired result. e.g. giving up freedom for more surveillance to fight crime.
       
 (DIR) Post #AVj2FKOnS3osNFf3FA by konni@toot.kartonrad.de
       2023-05-16T21:41:17Z
       
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       @kaia yeahIn that case the "end" is so hypothetical that you can't justify shitUnless you have undoctored data to back up the effectiveness of your measures.(So no police statistics where people are actively encouraged to report false data, or abuse technical details to minmax the result)So basically if you put people in solitary confinementYou're a clear cut villain, because there is no benefit proven - but there is lots of evidence that it absolutely breaks people, potentially causing them to become more dangerousThe "ends" on this graph are the objective ends, that you can never know beforehandBut you are villainous if you justify means with unrealistic/uncertaib ends
       
 (DIR) Post #AVjtMBMGl5JZvrdGts by lain@lain.com
       2023-05-17T07:39:25.361481Z
       
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       @konni @kaia i wish more economic and ethical analysis was done in terms of cringe / based
       
 (DIR) Post #AVjtpUtPD0Ryuo6tJQ by grillchen@brotka.st
       2023-05-17T07:45:29.612072Z
       
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       @kaia means cant be justified. they are mean
       
 (DIR) Post #AVjx6tzpQXp7Yf6afY by special-boy@poa.st
       2023-05-17T08:22:15.467374Z
       
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       @kaia my ends?yeseveryone elses ends?no
       
 (DIR) Post #AVk5MTFPReyOrhKNsW by konni@toot.kartonrad.de
       2023-05-17T09:48:14Z
       
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       @lain @kaia But villainy is based, isn't it?
       
 (DIR) Post #AVk5MV3QjAZyT7jqU4 by konni@toot.kartonrad.de
       2023-05-17T09:48:36Z
       
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       @lain @kaia they are clearly based