Post AVaT8sBSFUpQ9EoIIi by taoeffect@mstdn.io
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(DIR) Post #AVZ5f45oul58IB244O by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-09T01:58:37Z
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The United States government creates drug cartels thanks to its drug war laws.Why are we doing this?
(DIR) Post #AVZ5f4qG86EEcCl9SC by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T02:07:00Z
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Here is #AlexJones posting an idiotic poll for his #InfoWars readers.Note how it's not interested in solving the problem, but in creating more problems.
(DIR) Post #AVZ5f5LoEnSwC3WLdA by CattleBaron@noagendasocial.com
2023-05-12T02:36:14Z
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@taoeffect what is the cartel problem?
(DIR) Post #AVZ5jkwJYNNwKxp59c by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T02:37:03Z
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@CattleBaron Cartels going around engaging in gun fights and doing all kinds of other very bad things
(DIR) Post #AVZ5t0LHeipCiKuc7s by CattleBaron@noagendasocial.com
2023-05-12T02:38:46Z
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@taoeffect OK. What is the correct solution?
(DIR) Post #AVZ5xbIIDCm4TahkX2 by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T02:38:32Z
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@bot @CattleBaron It's kind of implied by the OP. Get rid of the drug war laws, and replace them with something better
(DIR) Post #AVZ64YMnUhTDQN7vtI by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T02:39:46Z
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@bot @CattleBaron Yes, those laws.
(DIR) Post #AVZ67puqheKMilcUeO by Free_Idealist@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-05-12T02:41:26.610693Z
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@bot @taoeffect @CattleBaron He's a bit slow, hence the turtle.
(DIR) Post #AVZ6HL3OIq8Ltp98Eq by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T02:41:51Z
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@Free_Idealist @CattleBaron @bot You mean wise, but I'll pretend you said that š
(DIR) Post #AVZ6S7MzWGj4e3SDWy by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T02:41:22Z
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@bot @CattleBaron I live there! š Have you ever heard of prohibition?
(DIR) Post #AVZ6UYMW8L4IwJOTFw by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T02:45:00Z
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@bot @CattleBaron @Free_Idealist Well for one it makes them significantly less dangerous. For another it gets rid of the cartel violence, and it frees up police resources to focus on real crime.
(DIR) Post #AVZ6WDUCilPylymZ2O by Free_Idealist@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-05-12T02:45:50.363493Z
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@taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot Turtles aren't wise, they literally sit in the middle of the road like retards. Which is an appropriate analogy for libertarians, because creatures who can actually think have to go out of their way to move you out of danger. And it's an entirely thankless endeavor.
(DIR) Post #AVZ6edCsyZjCrQh6W0 by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-12T02:47:22.194564Z
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Oh, you mean the cartels who funded the construction of a couple of major US cities like Miami? Drugs and the gov are more intertwined than anyone likes to believeā¦the Obama administration made a deal with the cartels that they could have the US market if they controlled the black gangs. Which is why we saw a major drop in gun violence after 2008. The Mexican cartels took out the black gangs.
(DIR) Post #AVZ6fjDy5YzxoTivdw by Chiva@coolsite.win
2023-05-12T02:47:33.592884Z
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decriminalizing drugs and working towards eventually legalizing them on a federal level would not only hurt the cartels main source of income, but also reduce overdose related deaths+ reduce the prison population. Prisons just act as a revolving door when it comes to social rehabilitation.Also, the United States needs to bring back mental asylumsā¦ first and foremost.
(DIR) Post #AVZ6jwslFbi7KZogxk by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T02:46:01Z
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@bot @CattleBaron Alcohol is most certainly addictive and it has destroyed many lives. It is far worse than many drugs currently prohibited.
(DIR) Post #AVZ6mvb6U4VgDNyhcm by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-12T02:48:52.363557Z
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Lol because that worked extremely well and didnāt lead to the rise of powerful gangsā¦
(DIR) Post #AVZ6uP4XIQ9xekJFHU by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T02:48:24Z
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@bot @CattleBaron @Free_Idealist You know what, I'm not going to answer that. Because you must think I'm a stupid slow turrtle.But why don't you ask the Internet? Or ChatGPT?That answer is easily searchable. Many people who have dedicated their lives to the study of the drug war have answered that question better than I can here with 250 characters.
(DIR) Post #AVZ74gmsHp7XUix9KS by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-12T02:52:05.232837Z
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It's also something that humans have been consuming for 1000s of years. Not the same as meth at all.Also the reason we "lost" the drug war is because we signed a free trade agreement with the country to our southern neighbor that destroyed their country and then allowed nearly unlimited economic migration from that country into our own.Oh and because we're full of low-iq, low-impulse control non-whites who make the ideal drug runners/consumers.
(DIR) Post #AVZ75GNFyY1FrhFCOe by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2023-05-12T02:52:10.377606Z
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Have you heard of Fentanyl? Do you think it should be legal and uncontrolled?
(DIR) Post #AVZ7EbVQmFac0iWP1U by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2023-05-12T02:53:50.039486Z
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Obama also gave us The Fast and the Furious gun running programs ... to stop the flow of guns by funneling thousands of them into South America
(DIR) Post #AVZ7GvSZYmriTYI9Ym by Chiva@coolsite.win
2023-05-12T02:54:17.828200Z
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most people that use drugs like meth and crack/cocaine, use alcohol in conjunction with them. Alcohol is also responsible for a ridiculous amount of car crashes resulting in death.
(DIR) Post #AVZ7JSRxsGfLN8DNuS by Free_Idealist@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-05-12T02:54:44.990162Z
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@taoeffect @bot @CattleBaron
(DIR) Post #AVZ7SkGX0PllETIO3c by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T02:53:03Z
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@bot @CattleBaron "You're right in a way (not really tho)"See, this is why I don't want to answer your questions. This conversation feels like it's getting into argumentative territory, so whatever I say you'll just "not really me", even if I'm right.I will continue advocating for it because locking people up in prison over a health problem is wrong.
(DIR) Post #AVZ7VLvtvlWadOtCOO by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T02:56:44.162317Z
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@bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron most drug related crime is caused in relation to acquisition. Portugal have legalized drug use, and have seen huge drops in both drug users (less stigma to get help) and in drug related crimeI hate drugs, even weed, but the current evidence shows that prohibition doesn't work (source: every single act of prohibition of substance in history)
(DIR) Post #AVZ7VPJPMp6v7AuVwu by Chiva@coolsite.win
2023-05-12T02:56:54.525754Z
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how many people have died from drunk driving related incidents in the last 2 years?
(DIR) Post #AVZ7XuzcY7yVwyqulU by icedquinn@blob.cat
2023-05-12T02:57:19.139451Z
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@djsumdog @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot fentanyl is just part of the extremely long line of opioid concentrations pushed by drug wars though.:blobcat2: i do war on drugs and make stupid laws like criminality based on volume of drug:blobfoxscience: i make stronger drug that is easier to smuggle:blobcat2: i complain that drugs are really strong as a reason to perpetuate my mistake
(DIR) Post #AVZ7XxkqHWw6W0xee8 by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-12T02:57:22.120616Z
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I don't have any real evidence š
just a podcast I listened to. But, it tracks with violent crime rates steadily increasing after Obama administration.
(DIR) Post #AVZ7eiQRfmaD05dmWe by icedquinn@blob.cat
2023-05-12T02:58:33.619923Z
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@djsumdog @CattleBaron @bot @taoeffect there really wasn't pressure for "stronger weed" strains or going past laudinam until they started treating everyone like kids and government dad is here to save you (but only when it gives us power, we don't give a shit about your mental health or broken legs)
(DIR) Post #AVZ7gEtmQLtw0I5XIe by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-12T02:58:52.083786Z
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I heard some rumblings that during the 2008 crash - the US got bailed out by some cartels because they were the only ones with a lot of liquid cash. I don't think America has ever been "at war" with drugs, I think they criminalize it to incarcerate people and get cheap labor into the prison system.
(DIR) Post #AVZ7oBjC63MiUDvXkG by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T03:00:07.835523Z
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@bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron drops in crime were traceable to drugs being less expensive, meaning muggings to fund drug habits fell dramatically. Fun fact, very few people are actually charged for drug use
(DIR) Post #AVZ7oscGdgNHVC17Q0 by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-12T03:00:25.787096Z
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Actually, can confirm, I have seen the article about Portugal. It turns out punishment is rarely effective at changing behavior
(DIR) Post #AVZ7pD9GIiePBJbkci by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-12T03:00:29.631758Z
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The entire system is evil and getting exactly the result it wants, no one who doesn't acknowledge this is capable of coming up with effective political change.
(DIR) Post #AVZ7tUNy9gsDnfWjq4 by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-12T03:01:15.020885Z
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Well that's the problem. People want to "believe" the "system" wants to do what's best for people and it doesn't. It does what is best for the budget.
(DIR) Post #AVZ82OstyfbbLSFEgq by icedquinn@blob.cat
2023-05-12T03:02:51.427686Z
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@bot @djsumdog @taoeffect @CattleBaron the sun is hot
(DIR) Post #AVZ8C5ExrvlNJdBKNc by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-12T03:04:37.713726Z
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It's much worse than just capitalistic or profit driven, it's actively evil and run by people who want to destroy all good.
(DIR) Post #AVZ8YxprZ9pT0hLolE by CattleBaron@noagendasocial.com
2023-05-12T03:08:45Z
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@icedquinn @djsumdog @taoeffect @bot Ed Calderon had a different idea. Weed being legalized, allowed people to devote more resources to creating stronger strains. People liked the stronger strains. The strong strains have large overhead because taxes and regulation. The need for cheaper alternatives kept illegal drugs being still sold.. BUT the users didn't like it as much..they had the good stuff...so what to do? So they started adding things like Fentanyl. Winner!But need stronger and ā
(DIR) Post #AVZ8gYpoP0eFmvwvZY by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-12T03:10:07.831382Z
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This is probably going to be a hot take, but I don't like the "evil" argument because I just don't think it's accurate. When you are playing on a global level, you do what it takes to survive and the decisions you have to make are not simple ones. Like it or not cartels exist and countries exist who want kill you. You have to make deals "with the devil" so to speak for the overall survival of your society. Simply saying "the evil people in charge want to destroy good people" is a simplistic argument. "good" and "evil" are subjective and morals are a social construction, one could argue, which is perpetuated by the "evil" people to keep the population docile and not competing on a higher level.
(DIR) Post #AVZ8vDOcOQ0XdpDXt2 by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-12T03:12:47.121799Z
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Yah, I agree.
(DIR) Post #AVZ8vFboALkMVJP6iu by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-12T03:12:47.407555Z
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There is no other logical explanation for the intentional and thorough destruction of the White race in america. There is nothing that was gained from it and it has actively and very obviously destroyed american supremacy.
(DIR) Post #AVZ9AYDrF7T4ZqUse8 by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-12T03:15:33.046915Z
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You make a great point. And whether or not it is successful will depend on who is willing to win even if it is "immoral". I'm not advocating for anything, but if you haven't, check out "48 laws of power" or "art of war". The winner is typically the population who is willing to win absolutely and not the one who "feels bad" about morals.
(DIR) Post #AVZ9CgUPTf8knPFxlw by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-05-12T03:13:42.440166Z
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@Tony @djsumdog @taoeffect @CattleBaron @KitlerIs6 @bot >"good" and "evil" are subjective it's infantile morality and childish
(DIR) Post #AVZ9DYdq8olkkI5Fy4 by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-12T03:16:06.006848Z
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Seeeee, I knew I'd have a hot take lol.
(DIR) Post #AVZ9IayWtMhhQoABX6 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-12T03:16:55.908525Z
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> There is no other logical explanation for the intentional and thorough destruction of the White race in america. There is nothing that was gained from it on the contrary there's a chance for mending a split that goes back centuries between two peoples who live in america, one that came by choice one that to a large degree didn't. The two americas in the long run will eventually merge, and the long inequalities will dissolve> very obviously destroyed american supremacy.Most of the reason that american supremacy happened in the first place is the most of rest of the world destroyed itself. We could easily do that again, if we don't get covid under control. If America gets covid under control, and closes her borders, we could see american supremacy again
(DIR) Post #AVZ9MkIGBmBvUQN4T2 by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-12T03:17:45.412620Z
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No I mean literally evil in that they see a normal, happy family and it fills them with hate so they strive to actively cause suffering upon good people because they are just morally deficient.
(DIR) Post #AVZ9WxNSOlSwxqfewy by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-12T03:19:35.140941Z
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I think the major probably in America is we are not uniting people under a common cause. We are fighting about whose ideology is correct instead of linking arms as "Americans". This country was built by immigrants and is strongest in its diversity. But while we fight about who is the "most discriminated immigrant" the country will become weaker and weaker. I don't necessarily agree about closing borders, because people underestimate just how much of the infrastructure is built by immigrants (legal or not) but I do believe a closed country is strongest.
(DIR) Post #AVZ9ai8d0134rKWbgW by Parmolive@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-05-12T03:15:28.950350Z
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@taoeffect this work in el salvador didn't it? They're nearly at a full year without a single murder now.
(DIR) Post #AVZ9dygdvcHZ3JzckS by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-12T03:20:52.186111Z
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I think that's happening because we have allowed for a coddling of immaturity. Instead of advocating for self responsibility and accountability, we are telling whole generations to blame everyone who "appears" happier than them is the enemy. Also, THIS IS WHAT SOVIET RUSSIA DID IN THE EARLY 1900s...
(DIR) Post #AVZ9joRavJL51TjiYC by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T03:16:22Z
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@djsumdog @CattleBaron @bot I think we should decriminalize all drugs, and then legalize and regulate them.If something can be classified as too dangerous to deal with commercially, well, maybe exceptions should be made. Iām not an expert on fentanyl. Iāve heard itās dangerous in very low doses, but maybe that means that it needs to be regulated in a way that manufactures address that problem if for some reason thereās still a demand after most opiates are legal.
(DIR) Post #AVZ9jp8ULpeNAVnyPQ by CattleBaron@noagendasocial.com
2023-05-12T03:21:55Z
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@taoeffect @djsumdog @bot Years ago i read a short story about a Utopia. Everyone was happy, everyone was appreciated. The traveler to this new dimension of Utopia found out that all people in the Utopia had a device implanted into their back with an instant lethal poison. At a certain age (can't remember what age it was) the device would be activated. Once activated, a person could contort their arms/hands behind their back, and press specific spots in sequence, releasing the poison.
(DIR) Post #AVZ9jqf8fvMTu45YwK by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T03:17:30Z
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@djsumdog @CattleBaron @bot People are still going to get hurt because people make mistakes and will swallow just about anything. You can't protect everyone, but the overall situation should improve if done well.
(DIR) Post #AVZ9p0n0S1nEl8EMd6 by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-12T03:22:52.150922Z
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The reason I frame it as absolute evil vs good is because I don't believe there is any level of ruthlessness that isn't morally acceptable when it comes to exterminating this cancer.
(DIR) Post #AVZ9yfVgQEqrerjUI4 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-12T03:24:35.964546Z
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> The winner is typically the population who is willing to win absolutely and not the one who "feels bad" about morals.in simple situationsin complex, social situations its the other way around: robert steele argued that morality was a competitive advantage when it comes to actual global politics
(DIR) Post #AVZ9z4vluNZgV18AvQ by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-12T03:24:41.068064Z
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The "cancer" in this case, as far as I can tell, is the media. Like in general I think people would actually get along if they weren't constantly fed radicalizing beliefs on social media, the news and in the papers.
(DIR) Post #AVZA9u82PX5CBN1whc by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-12T03:26:38.641413Z
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I don't disagree, I guess I just think about what I know of previous civilizations. From what I can tell, almost every successful civilization in history has enslaved at least someone to do the dirty work so the rest of the people can enjoy luxuries. Being a tyrant never lasts. I think it takes a strong hand but also the support and love of your people.
(DIR) Post #AVZADgsZc7LUFSbPiy by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T03:21:09Z
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@bot @Parmolive Except thatās not at all what they did. š¤¦āāļø
(DIR) Post #AVZAEGMDhsrAHXk5IG by Parmolive@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-05-12T03:25:18.546201Z
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@taoeffect @bot it's near enough
(DIR) Post #AVZAKSt81xLWso5mts by CattleBaron@noagendasocial.com
2023-05-12T03:28:32Z
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@jeffcliff @Tony @djsumdog @taoeffect @bot @KitlerIs6 white race? the war has been started a long time ago. and the Family unit is the target, it's not color, it's not class, it's not currency. the goal is conflict. Shadows on a wall.
(DIR) Post #AVZAMvb0Gcl2UtmyOG by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2023-05-12T03:28:56.339248Z
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In the USSR, interrogators were assigned to make people confess. Many knew the person was actually innocent. Michael Malice was in an interview recently about his new book, and he talked about a man who refused to confess, so the guards raped his daughter in front of him. He confessed, and she later took her life anyway.I visited a museum in Moldova with an exhibit dedicated to the thousands who were taken away by the Soviets for sedition. Many never returned. In the DPRK, they likely have a slave economy. Saying anything against the party can be death for your entire family.There is real evil in this world. Some countries might "do what it takes to survive" ... you're likely better off in Russia than North Korea right now. The CCP has the Uighurs ...I don't think most people understand just how bad it has gotten, and how bad it still is, in many parts of the world.
(DIR) Post #AVZAcw6W93OYhuA9Ee by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-12T03:31:53.439342Z
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That's exactly the thing I was eluding too. I think the majority of Americans don't realize the absolute cruelty some countries are willing to perpetuate on their populations...We have had it so good for so long, we really should be watching out for this because all it takes is one tyrant to come in and idk if the America people would be aware enough to stop it before the west turns into that. Hell, in soviet times, if you knew someone who owned land you could be pulled out of your home in the middle of the night and sent to a work camp where they would work you until you died. In the west we have no concept of that kind of cruelty but it does exist.
(DIR) Post #AVZAkliCfOicnEWaoK by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-12T03:33:17.311614Z
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> The two americas in the long run will eventually merge, and the long inequalities will dissolveTwo major problems with this.1. Such a merge would create a race of people that is objectively inferior to White america and is a net loss compared to just sending them back or keeping them in their place or killing them. Literally anyone who's half aware of race can see this. I would even argue that a White america has such a better value to the world and Americans than a mixed america that it is downright evil to destroy it in favor of the latter.2. Such an ethnogenisis would take literal centuries and only happen if there were no new ethnic groups being added to the mix. But the people who forced this evil decision on us keep adding spics into the mix. The goal is clearly the weakening, suffering and destruction of Whites as soon as possible, not the creation of a mutt race.>Still plenty of whites in america btw, 'the destruction of the white race' is overstating it a littleGoing by under 18 (the future generation), america is like 51% White. I live in america. I often feel like the minority. Moreover by White america I don't mean "Whites in america" but I mean an america where Whiteness (White values and ideals) is dominant and supreme in culture and politics. That is long dead and gone.>Most of the reason that american supremacy happened in the first place is the most of rest of the world destroyed itself. We could easily do that again, if we don't get covid under control. If America gets covid under control, and closes her borders, we could see american supremacy againOnly because we were all on a roughly even playing field racially. That's not the case anymore. American institutions have nosediving standards, american culture cannot produce anything which inspires, the american military is a laughing stock with the exact sort of men you want fighting for your nation.The concept of american identity or american unity is a joke so bad that even you canadians should know it. We will never be united as a nation. We will never come together to work for a common goal. Even race isn't enough to unify us, the only thing that can get two americans to work together is their mutual hatred for another part of america. This country is spiritually dead.
(DIR) Post #AVZAnEb4FCv8xPMYQi by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T03:28:07Z
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@bot @Parmolive You are being dense and clueless. They did not jail people of a specific race.
(DIR) Post #AVZAuIePZPqbYcIPS4 by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-12T03:35:01.747081Z
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Pretty much everyone listed in the original "day of the rope" quote is the problem, but the media is the biggest and worst. Second is probably academia and third politicians/judges. The church has a lot of blame too, but they are largely becoming irrelevant as time goes on.
(DIR) Post #AVZAv6wCbXmtWH0K7k by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-12T03:35:09.565437Z
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> almost every successful civilization in history has enslaved at least someone to do the dirty work so the rest of the people can enjoy luxuries. Adam Smith showed you don't need slavery for a luxury class, what you need is trade. Slavery was used by virtually every successful civilization, as were work animals, but we don't use horses anymore for a reason : cars and bicycles are cheaper and easier once you've got a minimal level of infrastructure for their mass production off the ground. You don't need slavery if you can get to a level of mass production.> But weird props to North Korea - I want to say they are one of the first oligarchies to last three generations now. Idk what they are doing but obviously they are staying in power somehow š
Honestly they behave a lot closer to a monarchy in practice - it's not *that* unusual to have a 3 generation monarchy. Britain lasted for 150 odd years before the magna carta, and then lasted another 400 before their civil war removed their monarchy before it got put back.
(DIR) Post #AVZAxd7FwBK1tjNM0m by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2023-05-12T03:35:34.817292Z
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Is servers an evolutionary purpose .. information has to be decimated .. people build up trusts for where information comes from ... radio, printing press, priests ... whoever pushed a moral idea ("thou shall not do x, but shall do y") risked the future of the entire civilization. Most of the morals and traditions we have liked served a purpose (or at least didn't cause harm)
(DIR) Post #AVZB0C1l6oOqkj1i1A by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-12T03:36:05.244938Z
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who's goal?
(DIR) Post #AVZB5cGaylufa2YInA by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-12T03:37:04.316483Z
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That's part of it, but it's deeper than that. But certainly removing the parts of education designed to teach children how to be mature and moral was a big push that the government and media took part in.
(DIR) Post #AVZBBUhS1dg3qjutBg by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-12T03:38:07.788973Z
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Adam smith also referred to people who made a living via media as "harlots who serve no purpose to the betterment of the civilization" (also haven't read Adam Smith in a hot minute) and I think this is probably one of the biggest issues in America. The idealization of the "stars". We dump BILLIONS of dollars a year into entertainment which provides no value other than to make us stare at TVs and sit on our asses. In fact our entire economy is predicated on entertainment to some degree...
(DIR) Post #AVZBGbEh9S1zZLttsO by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2023-05-12T03:39:00.812910Z
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I do not like the church becoming irrelevant. I don't believe anymore, but the church is more believable than the new religions of gender and disease ... I don't think humanity is ready to be free of the idea of God/gods. Humanity is on a bell curve.
(DIR) Post #AVZBJmAEyeWQKaKcme by CattleBaron@noagendasocial.com
2023-05-12T03:39:38Z
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@djsumdog @Tony @taoeffect @bot @KitlerIs6 Good interview done by Shawn Ryan with Yeonmi Park #54 of the Shawn Ryan Show podcast. She not only said resistance was met with death in North Korea for entire family, she was talking about Generations...Grandmother, dad, sister, niece, cousin...all die.
(DIR) Post #AVZBKIxd2Z2e31gWCu by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T03:35:15Z
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@bot @Parmolive Arresting gang members only is not āindiscriminately arresting peopleā. You are confusing American race relations with gang membership where race plays no role because theyāre all the same race.
(DIR) Post #AVZBKJqDlai6mLE7Ie by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-12T03:39:43.479369Z
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In practice would she be wrong if such policies were applied in america?
(DIR) Post #AVZBRLSY9Gq5pBVMw4 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-12T03:40:57.304697Z
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sdfakljsfdklfjdugh wrote a response to this and it got deleted
(DIR) Post #AVZBT6yCzTvfSw9gum by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-12T03:41:18.323032Z
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I've been reading this book called "the collapse of complex societies" and it talks about how the more complex a civilization becomes the more money the ruling class has to spend convincing the rest of society they are doing a good job. So, media serves this function, however it has turned into an out right slander and I don't think is serving it's purpose anymore. At this point I believe our "ruling class" or politicians have lost all credibilityand some needs to make the American people believe in a unified country again or we are in trouble long term.
(DIR) Post #AVZBTdFgy0vbaQa6bo by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-12T03:41:24.383102Z
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> Adam smith also referred to people who made a living via medialolwhat
(DIR) Post #AVZBYEhXfpY0tKns5Q by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-12T03:42:14.824065Z
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The mixed populations probably aren't all equally mixed.
(DIR) Post #AVZBZO2ESNHi841th2 by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2023-05-12T03:42:24.553018Z
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Yea, I think they take out up to 3rd relatives. The slave camps are the only reason they have food or mining, so they gotta make up reasons to send people there.
(DIR) Post #AVZBbb2f4I1z34Hfsm by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-12T03:42:51.160513Z
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Just say you agree with me and that boomers should have listened to Pierce so I can go to bed happy.
(DIR) Post #AVZBffezq6QgWw9qca by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-12T03:43:35.133237Z
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Lemme see if I can find it lol, I read it like 5 years ago so my quote is probably wrong.
(DIR) Post #AVZBlqjrYwtUcwNdse by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-12T03:44:42.485083Z
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Here: https://thebell.us/2011/08/public-prostitution-adam-smith-on-pay-for-artistes-and-athletes/
(DIR) Post #AVZBpJdEayLD6dvstk by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T03:42:45Z
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@KitlerIs6 @Parmolive @bot Yes because most black people are not gang members despite what the dark corners of #ActivityPub and #FreeSpeechLand would have you believe.
(DIR) Post #AVZBpKNJpdCjPZUgjI by Parmolive@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-05-12T03:43:55.936002Z
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@taoeffect @KitlerIs6 @bot right, they're mostly stochastic in their violence. So a policy of minimising murder in the US wouldn't target gangs so much as target black people
(DIR) Post #AVZBpn70zKOUXP5ZqK by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-12T03:45:25.145041Z
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Maybe not the majority, but a third of black men are felons.
(DIR) Post #AVZBxEqgGLqAaX03Wa by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2023-05-12T03:46:43.459876Z
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Another reason freedom of speech is so essential. People who watch Crowder or No Agenda or hell, even Tim "Beanie Man" Pool, at least understand everyone is going to lie to you. Even if a lot of people don't believe it, they don't go to jail for saying what they do.Still, discrediting people is powerful. Look at Alex Jones.
(DIR) Post #AVZBze0PhV9vBrhQsi by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-12T03:47:11.419388Z
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related
(DIR) Post #AVZC5XEXnAL3vO7N56 by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-12T03:48:15.716955Z
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LOL Alex Jones. RIP under that BILLION DOLLAR SETTLEMENT someone clearly didn't like him...
(DIR) Post #AVZC6AM0LMTnFouNcm by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-12T03:48:22.710267Z
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No I mean the one who fedposted on shortwave radio
(DIR) Post #AVZCBgYa2dkWZrQFhw by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-12T03:49:21.848023Z
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picture credit: meathead@mastodon.world 2005
(DIR) Post #AVZCJi2YPU2BUkGhvc by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2023-05-12T03:50:46.871618Z
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The Texas one will make it to the State Supreme court (in like a decade), and I don't think he pays anything while they're in appeal. He's still going like crazy.
(DIR) Post #AVZCPIwAeg6rNQx0ee by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-12T03:51:50.020741Z
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I mean he said whatever he wanted for a long time and the crows are coming home to roost...he said a lot of stuff about a lot of powerful people...I'd be terrified if I were him.
(DIR) Post #AVZCZO8ACW4CNcMucS by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-12T03:53:39.360126Z
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"white nationalists" podcasters in 2023: "Our fans would never do violence because we are peaceful and would never do that"White nationalist short wave radio broadcasters in 1983: "My friend literally just assassinated a jew and declared war on the US government, his timing was bad but he's a great man heres his call to action"
(DIR) Post #AVZCuMpMF33UQ2ZlQm by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T03:57:15.895682Z
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@bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron once the legality of substances is established, there is much less risk in the market for supply, and less loss through seizures. This means supply goes up and risk goes down, both of which substantially lower the price for the end consumer. This means that people in Portugal can afford to be a methhead the same way one can afford to be an alcoholic
(DIR) Post #AVZDUJj3FdRZDxlhZ2 by brimshae@poa.st
2023-05-12T04:03:56.791730Z
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@taoeffect @taoeffect Maybe I am a bit ignorant of history, but I was under the impression that violent gangs of smugglers existed well before the US was even thought of. Is there a timeline I can read up on? Is there a recognized first ever drug cartel or smuggler gang?
(DIR) Post #AVZDwZtwhhALV6L8me by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T04:08:58.105822Z
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@bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron the majority? Probably. Some arent able to, but meth addicts are more common than youd think
(DIR) Post #AVZEBj9KbMPUWjlBdA by PonyPanda@freespeechextremist.com
2023-05-12T04:11:47.907216Z
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@lunarised @bot @CattleBaron @Chiva @taoeffect I like meth.
(DIR) Post #AVZETaeouiMHOy0Su0 by brimshae@poa.st
2023-05-12T04:15:01.367327Z
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@taoeffect @CattleBaron @taoeffect @bot @CattleBaron @Free_Idealist The character limit is 5,000. As an example, of we were to type, and type, and type, we'd have to go through another.... 270 characters to reach 590.That said telling someone to go look up an answer is rather disingenuous, and I for one make it a point to fond something that counters whatever is being claimed, but to the chagrin of the low energy ''go find it yourself!'' pleb.Also, _ <--- that was the 500th character.Anyway, if you make a claim? Back it up. That's been standard internet etiquette since most of us were online. I'm not typing out to 5,000 characters, but we are at 713 as of... here _
(DIR) Post #AVZEgj4UwQYxGKHSwC by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T04:17:12.667689Z
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@bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron Guess why they're poor?Theyre paying huge markups on their product.
(DIR) Post #AVZEk9fiUyIid9KBNo by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T04:17:56.833340Z
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@PonyPanda @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot BLOCKED BLOCKED. NONE OF YOU ARE FREE FROM SIN IM GOINN TO FUCK YO ASS YOURE BLOCKED
(DIR) Post #AVZF7NHk3CkJVnBMw4 by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T04:22:02.523996Z
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@bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron How?Meth is absolutely dirt cheap to produce if you have legal supply to product at even increased pricing. Consider telling me where the flaw in my argument is and we can continue discussing, otherwise smd
(DIR) Post #AVZFcHMy5xNe8qMb5c by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T04:27:37.061319Z
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@bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron Well, thats the cool part. Portugal also is a good case study for this. People are less afraid to ask for help when they know they aren't going to be locked up. This means more addicts feel free to come forward and admit that they need help. Of course, some people are stuck on the drug for life, and thats an unfortunate reality, but at least they arent destroying the lives of people around them with it
(DIR) Post #AVZGBzR6FSCmwnK9uS by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T04:34:03.274067Z
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@bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron portugal saw less drug use after they de-criminalized drugs
(DIR) Post #AVZGS7PENstQIa8mpc by victor@crucible.world
2023-05-12T04:35:05.196352Z
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@bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @lunarised You're arguing with "safe, legal, and rare" Bill Clinton, just with drugs, not abortion
(DIR) Post #AVZGYonhxM3ecfmh6G by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T04:38:11.855131Z
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@bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron https://transformdrugs.org/blog/drug-decriminalisation-in-portugal-setting-the-record-straightLots of cool stats in here.
(DIR) Post #AVZHrQYcPtiCtDADTc by braincake@noagendasocial.com
2023-05-12T04:39:16Z
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@bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @lunarised I'd wager that a small percentage of people actually did seek out help when their issue had less of a legal stigma attached. BUT... I also suspect that number didn't move the needle in any meaningful way.
(DIR) Post #AVZJAcLut2fMvZw9ZY by Chiva@coolsite.win
2023-05-12T05:07:37.052094Z
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>recoverRecovery is for quitters, weekend warriors, and normies
(DIR) Post #AVZJInFOGRhF29mbI0 by Chiva@coolsite.win
2023-05-12T05:09:05.295559Z
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George Soros is based
(DIR) Post #AVZJPFKskDlJt1QdNo by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T05:08:45Z
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@bot @Chiva @CattleBaron @lunarised Sounds like fantastic results
(DIR) Post #AVZJT6iYjDiAJfLPyC by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T05:10:47.521952Z
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@bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron So those mostly line up with the stuff I posted?
(DIR) Post #AVZJWIZX6u8hx0e0OG by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T05:11:27.653123Z
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@Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot the only thing I.need to recover from is a lack.of pussy
(DIR) Post #AVZJda02iIJy1pW2pE by Chiva@coolsite.win
2023-05-12T05:12:50.832415Z
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the pussy crash of 2020 was what got me addicted to hard drugs
(DIR) Post #AVZJrv2bHNaxLCY8jg by Chiva@coolsite.win
2023-05-12T05:15:25.619077Z
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How many miles do I need to run to achieve the same effect as heroin?
(DIR) Post #AVZK0CuCk8Hz40Zh0i by Chiva@coolsite.win
2023-05-12T05:16:56.116838Z
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I was just asking a question fatso.
(DIR) Post #AVZK8Yac0SP4dFOMO8 by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T05:18:16.159869Z
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@bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron you understand... that HIV diagnosis isnt linear among populations?
(DIR) Post #AVZKAYHQ80jMFdMmgq by braincake@noagendasocial.com
2023-05-12T05:18:33Z
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@lunarised @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot Legalized drugs= regulated and taxed. Ergo higher prices, see the west coast of the US where people would rather buy cheap illegal weed.
(DIR) Post #AVZKBgggM4WwcFiwme by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T05:18:56.320141Z
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@Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot bot has never posted her hands here to confirm low body fat %age.
(DIR) Post #AVZKFDauSr2TXlhvgu by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T05:19:34.957858Z
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@braincake @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot Legalization != Decriminalization... 'uge difference fam
(DIR) Post #AVZKLE2PjC4kenR9Cy by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T05:20:39.944845Z
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@Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot The real problem is that good pussy is hard to find outside of south america and asiaProblem is that its usually attatched to a loud, annoying growth
(DIR) Post #AVZKMgWfIPkZIgHZr6 by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T05:20:55.933627Z
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@bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron something we agree on then?
(DIR) Post #AVZKV7o7kPTOEHTPBA by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T05:22:27.870480Z
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@bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @braincake I wonder who could be behind that
(DIR) Post #AVZLzqP4baOFBOy4nI by braincake@noagendasocial.com
2023-05-12T05:37:09Z
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@lunarised @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot A certain portion of the population is genetically disposed to addiction of various sorts. Are they just a sad casualty in this scenario?
(DIR) Post #AVZLzr71y9YHNjXBJI by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T05:39:07.038897Z
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@braincake @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot Some people are beyond salvation of their vices. The decriminalization of other substances just means that those people can have a bigger choice of vice than just drinking and beating their kids
(DIR) Post #AVZOL16sC54INUg8Zs by braincake@noagendasocial.com
2023-05-12T06:00:44Z
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@lunarised @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot That's pretty cavalier and/or eugenicist. If people never have trivial access to whatever thing causes their brain to trigger the spiral they can still be productive and useful people. It's trite, but that will literally tilt the odds of dooming some future genius to being a useless druggy.
(DIR) Post #AVZOL1b0O3AfswmCXo by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T06:05:18.453959Z
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@braincake @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot the entire architecture is already there to get them addicted to the consumption and abuse of alcohol anyway.
(DIR) Post #AVZOmzN8FSO163cbey by braincake@noagendasocial.com
2023-05-12T06:09:18Z
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@lunarised @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot It's not a given that alcohol is their trigger. There is definitely overlap, but flooding the field with every option just makes it way more likely you are gonna hit the bad brain bingo.
(DIR) Post #AVZOn007uTZv2zrkRM by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T06:10:28.679767Z
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@braincake @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot respectable opinion I can't really refuteGood point
(DIR) Post #AVZOqybt1Vx3tLQNRw by Chiva@coolsite.win
2023-05-12T06:11:17.027707Z
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really makes u think š¤
(DIR) Post #AVZOySbvsbgmxr0xwO by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T06:12:29.472218Z
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@bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @braincake why would I talk about them?
(DIR) Post #AVZQdDXGvwUw2Kphh2 by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T06:31:03.667479Z
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@bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @braincake Aboriginals come from AustraliaMaori are kiwiThere is no shared heritage between themAlso it's not petrol, it's methalated spirits, but ye. They drink that in North aussie
(DIR) Post #AVZQfp6yCNiT9flzBg by braincake@noagendasocial.com
2023-05-12T06:25:26Z
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@lunarised @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot To be fair, the *cough* war on drugs is mostly a sham. But on the other hand, just giving up and letting everything fly isn't going to work either. At least in the US, we don't have a strong enough social fabric anymore to enforce acceptable behavior by osmosis. I don't have a solution, but blanket OK'ing it is akin to giving up and letting jesus/the gov sort it out. And in current year, far too many people would be happy to just get high.
(DIR) Post #AVZQo1Ct70IKz8RswK by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T06:33:01.942696Z
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@braincake @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot to be fair, I'm not for the mass decriminalization that Portugal implemented, I'm just noting that they had some success in the ideaLeaving anything upto the government is tarded.I don't have a solution either. The only thing left to say is that life, and the fates we're given are cruel.
(DIR) Post #AVZRsyVsecwG26GALY by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T06:45:05.467019Z
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@bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @braincake maybe you're getting confused.with petrol sniffing which is also a problem
(DIR) Post #AVZWXxMqDcfyAWpRGC by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T07:37:18.868471Z
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@bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @braincake why wrench react when I was right
(DIR) Post #AVZgLPFGG2iKPIwBF2 by Chiva@coolsite.win
2023-05-12T09:27:13.827402Z
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Calm down
(DIR) Post #AVZiIv4neYuuAZzCuu by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-12T09:49:02.409246Z
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@Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot @book book is mentally unstableIt's best to observe from a safe distance
(DIR) Post #AVZyCOt21I3PrcOYNc by Chiva@coolsite.win
2023-05-12T12:47:19.380597Z
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trust me, I know
(DIR) Post #AVa875ioqTm4WFj25w by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2023-05-12T14:38:23.091812Z
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I don't understand the moral of this story.
(DIR) Post #AVa8PobAjYVGuk4orY by Elliptica@poa.st
2023-05-12T14:41:49.302663Z
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@djsumdog @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot It sounds like they achieved utopia by killing anyone who is unhappy.
(DIR) Post #AVa8dzpll1SxoYfO9Q by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2023-05-12T14:44:20.076090Z
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Decriminalize .. but then regulate š©You ever read Brave New World? Alcohol and Cannabis are our world's Soma. When the State regulates substances that help you escape from the reality they have created, or at least be at peace with it, you should question the benefits.I'm more in the camp of banning sale, but allowing people to grow themselves. You then become the cultivator, not the consumer.Although food/drugs/substances are a pretty small aspect of socialite cohesion and control, movies are another:https://battlepenguin.com/politics/propaganda-and-cinema/
(DIR) Post #AVa8iHBvAJdyo04JyC by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2023-05-12T14:45:08.257138Z
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...but it seems like the people were trained to kill themselves, if they were unhappy?
(DIR) Post #AVa90ZEGq7KHxftD4S by Elliptica@poa.st
2023-05-12T14:48:27.841202Z
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@djsumdog @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot Right, but I think the idea simply was that a utopia doesn't have to be perfect, the people living in simply have to be content with it.
(DIR) Post #AVaAp7RfzyFsVxpRku by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T15:02:43Z
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@djsumdog @CattleBaron @bot It is hypocritical to jail people for selling while allowing people to consume and grow it themselves. The regulation of alcohol and cigarettes in America are a huge success. Letās do that for everything else, and combine it with a strong public education & healthcare element, while banning advertising.
(DIR) Post #AVaAp8BPFwponnDy2C by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T15:07:17Z
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@djsumdog @CattleBaron @bot Plus, allowing sale creates a revenue stream to pay for these enhanced public education/healthcare services.
(DIR) Post #AVaBVohpXyygqakDvk by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T15:09:55Z
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@bot @djsumdog @CattleBaron You most definitely need education. Without education there are big problems.
(DIR) Post #AVaCYo6GM9Tzn6A7sW by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T15:17:34Z
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@bot @djsumdog @CattleBaron We do a rather poor job currently of educating people about drugs. Source: me, years of public schooling.
(DIR) Post #AVaCZrW38pjQftj8b2 by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-12T15:28:27.423089Z
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We tell our suicidal and depressed kids that there's a substance that makes the pain go away but might kill them and then get surprised they take it.The issue is not lack of education it's the fact that we put children in environments that drive them crazy.
(DIR) Post #AVaDbloTPocVWMonNQ by Chiva@coolsite.win
2023-05-12T15:39:59.673705Z
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Way too much time
(DIR) Post #AVaDuEIUFcNB4jeuzA by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-12T15:43:20.476736Z
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They always tell kids "it might make you feel good in the moment but..." and for a kid who hates life and just wants to feel good in the moment the but part doesn't matter.
(DIR) Post #AVaEKymc2XcomIVO88 by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T15:38:49Z
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@KitlerIs6 @djsumdog @CattleBaron @bot Lack of education does kill people, so if you arenāt able to put your kids in a good school then itās your job to educate them and do a good job of it.
(DIR) Post #AVaEKzOBmpgOeq5OhU by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-12T15:48:10.238536Z
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Lack of education isn't the primary problem though. Its the environment people are in which causes them to turn to substances which they know are dangerous/harmful but are willing to expose themselves to regardless.There's literally studies that show rats can get over cocain addiction just by touching grass but you can easily make them relapse by putting them in a stressful environment.
(DIR) Post #AVaERohztXrnYlbgno by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-12T15:49:24.735705Z
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Also this is personal but did you have a happy home/family life? If you were relatively happy as a kid it makes sense you never saw any appeal in them.
(DIR) Post #AVaEycfVgGRbm45QJc by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-05-12T15:55:20.530350Z
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counter point fren, keep laws how they are but add this one: anyone who does non-perscription drugs gets a bullet to the back of the head.does dis sound acceptable? please check belowyis [ ]yish [ ]
(DIR) Post #AVaFBjzTliUKFQgLoW by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T15:57:00Z
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@Kirino @djsumdog @CattleBaron @KitlerIs6 @bot How about a bullet to the head for posting replies like yours?
(DIR) Post #AVaFBkZdbHPa3ZbEAq by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-05-12T15:57:42.089478Z
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maybi we can add dis too, but druggies, troons and thugs first oki?
(DIR) Post #AVaFerZ0guPQ8KBiIC by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T15:53:29Z
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@KitlerIs6 @djsumdog @CattleBaron @bot Does this look like a happy kid to you? šI was relatively happy and had a stable home but still tried plenty of drugs. I did not get addicted to them though, which might be to your point. I definitely agree that drugs themselves are not 100% of the equation and that the environment you grow up in plays a big role.
(DIR) Post #AVaFesDmFL1EAlGGps by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-12T16:02:57.515105Z
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Granted if you have a bunch of drugs readily available to a kid and don't warn them about it being a problem, that will also cause issues. I'm not saying don't educate kids, rather that education only makes the difference when other issues aren't present, and for far too many kids those issues are.
(DIR) Post #AVaG8Qjh055fcGHcvY by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2023-05-12T16:08:16.774058Z
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> banning advertisingBanning speech? Really?
(DIR) Post #AVaGDNHHHlm8L2LllA by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2023-05-12T16:09:11.397344Z
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I've done it in a one bedroom. It's really not that bad. Five plants produce a lot too.
(DIR) Post #AVaGT8p4nQKM8mg3aC by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2023-05-12T16:12:01.576314Z
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Some of those studies are made up bullshit too ... like the one that said Vietnam vets stopped using once they were removed from the war zone ... most of those results were found to have been made up.Addiction is very difficult to quit.
(DIR) Post #AVaH4p1EsI4BiyKkrI by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T16:09:47Z
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@djsumdog @CattleBaron @bot Yes, we already do it for alcohol and cigarettes.
(DIR) Post #AVaH4pm24JUs46E7nM by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2023-05-12T16:18:49.707854Z
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alcohol? There aren't legal restriction on alcohol ads. Cigarettes/Tobacco have some weird restrictions in the US that honestly should have never been allowed. But there was some moral panic back around the Joe Camel era.
(DIR) Post #AVaIzj0Q0JivXEeC4O by meowski@fluf.club
2023-05-12T16:40:19.582342Z
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@djsumdog @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot should the tobacco companies be allowed to use mickey mouse or elmo to advertise cigarettes to toddlers?
(DIR) Post #AVaMXpDLj8HWUzeClU by meowski@fluf.club
2023-05-12T17:20:06.270273Z
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@taoeffect you're ignorant. fentanyl is so deadly it should be classified as a chemical weapon and we should definitely use the military to destroy the cartels and anyone smuggling it across the border, all the way to the manufacturing sourcesand at the same time using drugs should be decriminalized
(DIR) Post #AVaMoY0mwHOw4KkJeq by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2023-05-12T17:23:06.253450Z
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probably ... I'm wondering if Joe Camel et. al. would have fallen out of favour by the general public by now, without the legislative intervention. I'm also wondering if tobacco companies would include warnings anyway, not due to law, but just due to liability protection. I think the entire AB InBev / Budweiser thing shows public perception can have as significant impact as legislation (although maybe only short term?)
(DIR) Post #AVaN9KOOlnatuXhMHI by meowski@fluf.club
2023-05-12T17:26:52.834881Z
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@djsumdog @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot ok so total ancap road warrior rules for advertising dangerous and addictive substances to children... should the drug cartels be able to advertise recreational fentanyl to teenagers- offering a free promotional trial period?
(DIR) Post #AVaNN3SOX5RLRN749g by teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work
2023-05-12T17:29:18Z
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@meowski @taoeffect We would also have to remove it from the hospitals. Yes, the pharma cartels make fentanyl "legally".
(DIR) Post #AVaNbmkivBadybi5yq by meowski@fluf.club
2023-05-12T17:32:01.581335Z
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@teknomunk i agree hospitals shouldn't be using it either. do you know how difficult it is to accurately measure substances with such high toxicity in such low doses?but regardless, if they can make a medical case for keeping it, the supply chain should be tightly controlled and any illicit cross border trafficking should be considered an act of war
(DIR) Post #AVaNvoSaHb3T40m98i by teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work
2023-05-12T17:35:36Z
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@meowski I would suspect there are substances less dangerous and equally effective. My. Understanding is it is used as a pain killer, and we've got lots of those.
(DIR) Post #AVaO4vniMKfcRA0V16 by meowski@fluf.club
2023-05-12T17:37:18.829546Z
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@teknomunk there are, like morphine and other opiates that are about 100x less potent. there is simply no reason for them to use it other than it being cheaper
(DIR) Post #AVaOc3cOJc40EqVSXA by teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work
2023-05-12T17:43:14Z
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@meowski And they are effective in quantities that make them easier to handle. Money, and specificly for whom, is the driver, I think.
(DIR) Post #AVaOrXv1wNO8Yebtrs by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-12T17:46:06.782092Z
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That's true but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that shitty life = easier time getting addicted/harder time quitting.
(DIR) Post #AVaT8sBSFUpQ9EoIIi by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T02:58:20Z
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@bot @CattleBaron It's mainly because I'm getting like 10 mentions per minute and I have a lot of work to do and to give you a good answer I would need to spend a good amount of time writing something rather lengthy and there are *far better* answers that you can easily find with a 5 second search if you actually cared about the answer to your question.
(DIR) Post #AVaT8sqDnvREBfsqqO by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T02:59:42Z
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@bot @CattleBaron Also, violent crime is against the law already š
(DIR) Post #AVaT8tTZRcui9iIHB2 by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-12T04:41:44Z
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@bot @CattleBaron The main reason is when drugs are illegal there is no quality control. Nothing is regulated and nobody knows what drugs theyāre taking or how much. Lot of parents with dead children are probably blaming the wrong drug.Regulating drugs also directly addresses violence associated with a black market.
(DIR) Post #AVaT8u7H40fm8qrz3w by CattleBaron@noagendasocial.com
2023-05-12T18:34:02Z
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@taoeffect @bot regulating a drug, does not stop the black market for that drug. so long as there is a competitive black market there will be a reason for violence. Black marketeers problem solving does not end in a court case, a path to resolution will include violence.
(DIR) Post #AVaXz9Ki8J80D7K3uq by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2023-05-12T19:28:16.611047Z
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I mean .. the true ancap way of dealing with this is convince the entire world to install ad blockers on everything and pirate all content, so the ads getting into your eyeballs are limited to billboards, magazines, etc. But we're talking realistic here (and advocating against adverts requires advertising ironically). The big issue is, of course, the Freedom of Speech!There are limits to freedom of speech of course (direct incitement to violence with a specific and imminent threat, child abuse imagery, certain obscenities) and that list is narrow. I don't think most advertising has to worry so much about restriction of speech, but more so consumer protection laws against misleading statement specifically about products.A drug cartel's adverts for recreational fentanyl is a straw man. The product isn't legal to begin with and few ad agencies would carry it.I fall on the side of free speech whenever possible. If a company advertises something shady, it's up to civil law and the fear of liability that should keep such adverts in check. It doesn't work of course ... just look at the COVID-19 mRNA jabs ... but let's hope one of these lawsuits makes it through and knocks them down a few pegs.
(DIR) Post #AVaY5Enoi7PuuYq87k by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2023-05-12T19:29:24.311769Z
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It's kind a chicken/egg thing though. You could have an okay life and addiction to something (alcohol, gambling, etc.) turns it to shit. It can be in either order.
(DIR) Post #AVaYDQIrpoVMtgGaPY by CattleBaron@noagendasocial.com
2023-05-12T19:30:54Z
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@Elliptica @djsumdog @taoeffect @bot "the people living in .." this is an interesting idea, I hadn't thought of that angle. Maybe it was the author's intention.
(DIR) Post #AVaYT5vlLbZKLUvrLU by CattleBaron@noagendasocial.com
2023-05-12T19:33:44Z
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@taoeffect @djsumdog @bot I agree, that we get in trouble for selling but ok to grow. I can have 500 gallons of mead on hand that I made..but I can't sell it. I can raise cattle, but can't sell you a steak. Interesting that while "regulation" is the reason, it also creates a carve out for other's to make a profit. Big corps love big regulation, it narrows the window of competition as the mom and pop people don't have the money to meet all the regulation with tight margins.
(DIR) Post #AVaYw5RoDrwtFGkKHY by meowski@fluf.club
2023-05-12T19:38:56.864872Z
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@djsumdog @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot ok but don't forget cigarettes are also illegal for kids so the fentanyl reference really isn't a red herring. since cigarettes are illegal for kids you can make a pretty valid argument that cartoons are not appropriate in their advertsit seems like a lot of what you refer to as moral "panic" is just moral
(DIR) Post #AVaZ6ugYZnRT3Jo4vY by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-12T19:40:56.382278Z
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How is that relevant to what I was saying?
(DIR) Post #AVabFXdhpW7m5iiPce by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2023-05-12T20:04:52.015307Z
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because it's directly relevant? You said a shitty life can keep you addicted to bad things. I pointed out that sometimes it's the other way around ... you had an okay life and you tried something that was addictive and the thing now made your life shitty.
(DIR) Post #AVabhcQRd2zL2ktuAC by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-12T20:09:58.995157Z
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This is intellectual ankle biting and it's annoying. Yes, addiction ruins people's lives but it's problem that's been getting progressively worse despite people being more aware of the risks so pointing out that it's possible for a happy person to just one day decide to start doing meth and ruin their life doesn't add anything to the conversation.
(DIR) Post #AVadsOQiCkBujLI6gS by nolasco@iddqd.social
2023-05-12T20:34:20.054358Z
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The cartels aren't going away. A bunch of violent criminals who live their lives outside of the law aren't just going to pack it up because you legalized their product. They're just going to move into other markets. This has also been documented. Good luck killing everyone involved but you're also delusional if you think this is a problem you can just legalize away.
(DIR) Post #AVaeF04AxBCxpRWuCe by mint@ryona.agency
2023-05-12T20:37:39.327825Z
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@book @djsumdog @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot Then you just waste taxpayer money on feeding them. Meanwhile 9mm round costs less than a dollar.
(DIR) Post #AVbDPXUB3KK0liS7iy by taoeffect@mstdn.io
2023-05-13T03:12:27Z
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@CattleBaron @djsumdog @bot That only happens sometimes, in certain markets, but it is by no means a consequence of regulation.There are thousands of independent wine makers in the US, for example.Regulation done well is the goal and what I'm advocating for.It seems like some people in this thread just don't want a positive outcome, and are trying to come up with whatever excuse to poo poo the idea. It's sad.
(DIR) Post #AVbX1tCeedz6G0FzV2 by CattleBaron@noagendasocial.com
2023-05-13T06:52:19Z
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@taoeffect @djsumdog @bot the unfortunate truth is..the ppl who gravitate towards jobs involving regulation, are rarely the ones you want to regulate. Since ive never seen regulation done well, doubt its existence.I gave a specific example of bad outcomes because of regulation..so by at least one mean..it is caused by regulation.As far as fixing the cartel problem by decriminalizing, it is unrealistic. I did not poopoo your idea. I was intrigued and asked for clarification.Cartel Wine?š