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(DIR) Post #AVXFnJk5DzdYN0WEds by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-11T05:08:21Z
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It's my belief that if an electronic device needs replacing within four years—for any reason—it was defective from the beginning.
(DIR) Post #AVYPobcHRpdGnM59cG by Judeet88@home.social
2023-05-11T10:16:15Z
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@paco @benjaminhollon Electrical efficiency is pointless if the item has to be replaced every few years, as that too is a huge waste of resources and causes even more pollution.
(DIR) Post #AVZQr9Ph3ZoFJ1vqpk by underlap@fosstodon.org
2023-05-11T06:35:14Z
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@benjaminhollon Mostly agree. That's why I recently bought a Fairphone. It is repairable and comes with a five year extended warranty.
(DIR) Post #AVZR19ssA5Xjf4LuOO by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-12T06:35:32.172043Z
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@benjaminhollon My old slider phone from 2011 still works frickin great. Even with the screen all smashed to bits and the battery more swollen than grampas feet.
(DIR) Post #AVZRCQ5mEybZ7Dl4Pg by trollball@mstdn.social
2023-05-11T06:00:27Z
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@benjaminhollon Does “defective from the beginning” include designing for a two year lifetime? Say for electromigration on a cell phone processor. Not trying to argue. Want to understand your POV. I used to work on Apps Processors and the above was the reliability standard of some of the customers.
(DIR) Post #AVZRCQkBoivn8YfLP6 by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-11T06:03:00Z
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@trollballI probably would include that, except for very specific exceptions (not sure what all "electromigration" entails). If electronics are designed for a short lifespan, I'd say they're defective by design. (Assuming it *is* possible for them to last longer—and even then if it can't last longer I'm not sure we should be using it.)The point is largely about sustainability, so that is the perspective I'm coming at it from.
(DIR) Post #AVZRCRJdgvHsuVFeeu by trollball@mstdn.social
2023-05-11T06:10:49Z
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@benjaminhollon Got it. Short answer, the example I gave was defective by design as you define it. Long answer: electromigration means the metal lines on the chip (wires) fail after you run current through them. They act like fuses. But not during surges, like human scale fuses in your house. No, just by wearing out in use. You can make the metal lines more resistant to electromigration by making them bigger. But that makes chips & phones cost more.
(DIR) Post #AVZRCSPhbrjQJb60kS by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-11T06:03:07Z
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@trollballA good question! :D
(DIR) Post #AVZRCdeHpyvxA10JVY by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-11T06:13:01Z
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@trollballThis is true. I'd argue that in the long run, though, they end up costing less because you don't have to replace them as often. They at least cost less from a conservation standpoint.I did not know about this property of electronic devices, thanks for bringing it to my attention! I'm always up for learning something new. :D
(DIR) Post #AVZRCfaSdB3tAjEHp2 by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-11T06:34:23Z
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@trollballNow that I think about it a bit; buying shorter-life devices because they're cheaper is, in a sense, treating them as disposable. While they're not "defective" in the sense of their intended disposable use, I would say that use itself is a defective mindset for technology use.
(DIR) Post #AVZRHJPQW1MNpuHXbk by Judeet88@home.social
2023-05-11T09:21:10Z
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@benjaminhollon I'd include washing machines, cookers, vacuum cleaners too..."built-in obsolescence" my dad called it and said it was a total con to make you buy more more often.
(DIR) Post #AVZRHK7NsaWQ2Eqe7k by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-12T06:38:27.075281Z
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@Judeet88 @benjaminhollon These used to be called “consumer durables” simply because at one time. They literally could last generations.
(DIR) Post #AVZRHLAxwkytJdX1LU by Judeet88@home.social
2023-05-11T09:25:27Z
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@benjaminhollon In fact, my parents had a fridge they used for 30yrs and an electric cooker they used for about 40yrs until things like knobs and hinges gave up.
(DIR) Post #AVZRTjyTZWuthabP8q by 3dcandy@mastodon.social
2023-05-11T09:42:33Z
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@benjaminhollon what about things like batteries? As they are dependant on useage and possibly how the end user has treated surely that should be different?
(DIR) Post #AVZRTrvE1V4OLp8vBY by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-11T18:29:10Z
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@3dcandyHmm, that's a bit trickier.I'd say it's not the manufacturer's fault if:- Batteries are easily replaceable apart from the main device- Appropriate control is given to the owners to allow them to make the most of the batteries they have; the ability to set battery charge limits, etc. I'd also hope they make people aware of the impact of, say, charging a battry overnight on its overall lifetime.
(DIR) Post #AVZRV1VrqjZEO1pgem by HelenGraham@mastodon.world
2023-05-11T10:04:59Z
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@benjaminhollon .Sadly not for most things ,a lot of stuff isnt built to last more than a few years so even a tiny repair isnt possible ,because the skills needed to repair them arent widespread or the cost of repairs would pre prohibitive ,sometimes there arent spare parts manufactured anyway ,or in some cases with modern techology items because they will become hard to update etc.But I agree if its something like a cooker or mattress or something similar
(DIR) Post #AVZRV2BLMWkCSfEoIy by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-11T19:20:17Z
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@HelenGrahamToo true! Right to repair is important. That's why I support companies like Framework that build with repairability and upgradeability in mind.
(DIR) Post #AVZRjIDMYBcIEuyuBM by ulidig@mastodon.social
2023-05-11T14:44:51Z
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@benjaminhollon The number of people on Reddit on their 3rd Fitbit in 2 years is absolutely shocking. And in the US, the warranty is a meager 12 months. If the "free" replacement dies outside of the original 12 month window (e.g., unit 1 dies after 7 months, and unit 2 dies after a further 6 months), they won't replace it! You just get a 35% off code for the Fitbit website.
(DIR) Post #AVZRjJ3pP7aGrdWnxY by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-11T21:49:06Z
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@ulidigOkay, that's crazy.The number of Kindles my family has gone through, too. The early generation ones had screens that broke easily.Since then they've gotten better.
(DIR) Post #AVZRjJeLDMn6gsbxs8 by pixelherodev@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T02:14:54Z
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@benjaminhollon @ulidig ..interestingly enough, Amazon probably has more of a motive than most to design their devices to last.They probably use the same hardware between the ad-ridden versions and the "premium" ones. The ad-ridden ones are, to my understanding, _sold at a loss!_ Because they make money based on *how long you use it*, and lose money when you have to replace it...There's a depressing argument that this is the closest American capitalism gets to proper incentives :/
(DIR) Post #AVZRjKP8PODn20VKoC by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T02:15:48Z
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@pixelherodev @ulidigActually I think they're all sold at a loss; they subsidize it with the expectation you'll be buying books from them.
(DIR) Post #AVZRjL8rfMnjJptr5U by pixelherodev@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T02:34:20Z
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@benjaminhollon @ulidig Point remains, though?
(DIR) Post #AVZRjLmZHkYnIyTYyO by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T02:35:04Z
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@pixelherodev @ulidigYes, of course. I was just satisfying my pedantry quota for the day. :)
(DIR) Post #AVZRjMHPR5EKqcuC2q by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T02:16:40Z
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@pixelherodev @ulidigI could be wrong about, though.
(DIR) Post #AVZRlLURLLjoyewpvs by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T03:40:22Z
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Ooh, this is my first 100-boosted toot! A big milestone.
(DIR) Post #AVZRrk3Yv182uGQTei by cristiioan@member.ro
2023-05-12T03:35:39Z
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@benjaminhollon In desktops/laptops stopping work only after 4-5 years is really a bad design. On phones due to how fast the processing power gets better and better(and other things), porting back a new android version gets harder and harder.
(DIR) Post #AVZRrkyzTV49mNILAW by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T03:36:26Z
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@cristiioanYeah, it's becoming a serious issue. Especially with all the e-waste created from the constant breakdown/obsoletion and replacement of devices.
(DIR) Post #AVZRrlQdohBTA8EQGe by cristiioan@member.ro
2023-05-12T03:48:02Z
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@benjaminhollon I did my part on the laptop side when I bought a framework. But on phones I would never do that.Edit: I mean to repair / upgrade a device after 3/4 years
(DIR) Post #AVZRrltM5w9WbBfM1Y by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T03:49:52Z
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@cristiioanHey, a Framework is a great starting point; that's what I use.For a phone… my method at the moment is to use handed-down or used phones only. Eventually I might look into getting something like a Fairphone.Long-run, I'd love to use a Linux phone like the PinePhone once software support gets good enough for those.
(DIR) Post #AVZRrmUvqED6TjFMau by cristiioan@member.ro
2023-05-12T03:54:08Z
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@benjaminhollon I don't think a linux phone will be fully usable in the next 3 years.
(DIR) Post #AVZRrnNAaZazBwcg8O by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T03:55:43Z
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@cristiioanWe'll see. :PNice thing is once I'm done with uni, if I do end up succesfully getting into writing full time, my mobile requirements will lower since I have no external organization requiring me to use certain apps. For my own personal use, I hardly use my phone at all and a linux phone could likely work with a bit of effort.
(DIR) Post #AVZRrnu8bzy0qC30WO by cristiioan@member.ro
2023-05-12T03:59:16Z
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@benjaminhollon I'm using one daily for over 500 days now. So many things are a lot harder to do on it that I cam to the conclusion once I can buy a new phone that I won't touch a linux phone for atleast another 3 years. The big development on linux phones it happens in like short bursts of 2-3 months and than it slows down for like 6
(DIR) Post #AVZRroRSc6ccVXdcSe by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T04:01:15Z
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@cristiioanHuh, interesting. Good to know.
(DIR) Post #AVZRrp0CWwPYFHtMbw by cristiioan@member.ro
2023-05-12T04:15:51Z
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@benjaminhollon Really sorry for the bad English. I'm not native and I don't like to learn at school
(DIR) Post #AVZRrpW6cJvpqEoqLA by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T04:16:15Z
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@cristiioanYou're good, I get it. You're better at English than I am at any other language, so count me impressed.
(DIR) Post #AVZRrqAADNyTqTYpmK by cristiioan@member.ro
2023-05-12T04:34:29Z
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@benjaminhollon I speak a lot online, but it is visible that I'm bad at it. Even more when I don't double check for grammatical errors. At one point in the future I wish to get a C1 at English(I'm at B1/B2 right now) and also a C1 at German(I'm just at A1/A2)(because I wish to live in Switzerland in the future due to their great data privacy laws).
(DIR) Post #AVZRrrAYTPsixykf1k by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T04:16:53Z
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@cristiioan(Honestly, I could hardly tell.)
(DIR) Post #AVZSU2JFVEGYWO1WhU by sotolf@social.linux.pizza
2023-05-12T06:39:06Z
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@twizzay @benjaminhollon I still have a nokia 5110 that works like a dream Those things were invoulnerable.
(DIR) Post #AVZSU2yN2L9wZvGMnQ by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-12T06:51:54.719200Z
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@sotolf @benjaminhollon I still want one of those. LolI think Nokia took there brand and started manufacturing phones for construction workers. I couldnt back any of this ip with links right now. But they might be a good way to go to get durable phones still. No idea about repairability though.
(DIR) Post #AVZT050V0auO9dX6q8 by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-12T06:57:44.530668Z
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@benjaminhollon My wife and I are both on iPhone SE 2 and once these babies die we are switching to Android. (De googled in my case.) :android: AFAIK this is the last iPhone with right to repair. Likewise her laptop is a mid 2012 MBP. Which was the last model to allow upgrades to RAM, SSD, replacement batteries, screen repairs etc.It just EOL’d with software support in the last year, so, I will probably inherit it as a linux laptop and trade out my 2010 MBP that I am running :debian: on right now once it starts getting too buggy for her to tolerate. In a coming age we will have zero Apple :apple_inc: devices in our home simply because we refuse to buy anything that cant be upgraded or repaired. And we preach that liberally to our friends and family.
(DIR) Post #AVZT4NxYUACU5pD1ou by sotolf@social.linux.pizza
2023-05-12T06:53:28Z
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@twizzay @benjaminhollon Well I mean you could literally hammer in nails with the 5110 and it still worked like nothing happened to it :p it's a beast ;)
(DIR) Post #AVZT4OYmFlyTxGckq0 by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-12T06:58:31.496952Z
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@sotolf @benjaminhollon Freaking legend.
(DIR) Post #AVZUF635W9CVgQT6JM by Judeet88@home.social
2023-05-12T07:06:36Z
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@twizzay Oh yes! Not heard that phrase for a while...which is telling in itself.
(DIR) Post #AVZVnr7n64SnUDo40m by lamp@berserker.town
2023-05-12T07:29:08Z
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@twizzay @benjaminhollon what do you mean "iPhone with right to repair"
(DIR) Post #AVa50a3hM8JUiXhAVU by cnx@larkspur.one
2023-05-12T14:03:38.134442Z
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@benjaminhollon, depends on what you mean by an electronic device, but retaining 75% capacity after four years of regular usage is a pretty impressive for Li-on batteries.
(DIR) Post #AVaHEQv9KHKPsg4J72 by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-12T16:20:34.723085Z
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@lamp @benjaminhollon Thanks for asking this, actually. I discovered that I had bad information.I edited my original post.When we bought our iPhone’s we looked at some reviews that were showing that newer models of iPhone were having problems repairing simple things like the screen, batteries, and cameras. Apple has been serializing parts for a while now. If you don’t do some special hacking, (i.e demicrosoldering and remicrosoldering a lil chip) then when you put your phone back together new parts might just entirely refuse to work.Apparently, this affects all models of iPhone (mine included.) but each a little differently.
(DIR) Post #AVaHGYCNEpwb228PeC by slembcke@mastodon.gamedev.place
2023-05-12T15:18:49Z
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@twizzay @benjaminhollon Same, though I’m on an original iPhone SE. Still works just fine with a recent battery replacement, but I don’t really plan to go Apple again. :(
(DIR) Post #AVaHKdz1fmBo8BqL6e by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-12T16:21:43.677393Z
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@slembcke @benjaminhollon My last iPhone before this one was an iPhone 6. and I took it to a repair shop multiple times before giving up on it.repairability is critical.
(DIR) Post #AVaHM6NFbP2kTNrxMO by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-05-12T16:21:56.645Z
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@twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest Stuff like this simply shouldn't be legal. @lamp@berserker.town @benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
(DIR) Post #AVaHWB8ek5jW96qcsq by Qper@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T15:15:22Z
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@twizzay curious how you degoogle Android. I know of several methods, just being curious about yours.
(DIR) Post #AVaHWBpCBvlEH2kbBo by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-12T16:23:45.561395Z
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@Qper Ok, so I haven't done it yet. But currently, I am looking at getting a Fairphone and putting CalyxOS. I chose the OS based on a recommendation from a good friend of mine. (@RL_Dane)I haven't tried it out yet or researched it very much yet, though.What are you considering?
(DIR) Post #AVaISSuQpVjM3XzISe by teamtuck@mast.teamtuck.xyz
2023-05-12T14:55:56Z
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@twizzay @benjaminhollon I was pretty ticked at Apple for removing the ability to upgrade RAM and SSD. But as the owner of many Apple products today, I guess the sacrifice to that is that (IMO) no other company is matching Apple's hardware design and M chip performance. Android is STILL a mess ran by a pretty terrible company with terrible long term support, while all manufacturers just copying what Apple does anyway.It's a game of "lesser of two evils" at this point.
(DIR) Post #AVaISTo5UaFYqA1kDA by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-12T16:34:19.290910Z
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@teamtuck @benjaminhollon > Android is STILL a mess ran by a pretty terrible company with terrible long term support, while all manufacturers just copying what Apple does anyway.meh it goes both ways. Companies always be copying other companies.However, I think it's important to remember that software does not and should not need to be tied to hardware. :gnulightened: Apple tries really hard to make this the case. But :android: phones don't need to run android. And PCs don't need to run macOS or windows. iPhones, however, do, to some degree, need to run IOS. And that is dumb.I still recommend Apple to computer illiterate people, though, because Apple's greatest strength, IMO, is their ability to protect even the most ignorant users.But to anyone who uses a computer for more than 20 hours a week, I recommend getting a solid PC and putting (at the very least) the current ubuntu :ubuntu: on it. Most home users don't fall into this category.
(DIR) Post #AVaIq5yJlIJfrq4aPY by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-12T16:38:36.562349Z
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@adiz @benjaminhollon @lamp That is an ongoing issue.
(DIR) Post #AVaJF5bYGR5Xy5LI7U by teamtuck@mast.teamtuck.xyz
2023-05-12T16:38:56Z
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@twizzay @benjaminhollon In a perfect world, hardware and software wouldn't be exclusive, just like console exclusive games not being available on the PC lol. I would LOVE to have iPhone hardware and have the ability to dual boot iOS and Android personally, just to keep up with the times I guess.Apple has been a solid choice for us simply because it has caused the least issues. And after working on Windows/Azure all day, it's nice to not be IT Admin at home. :)
(DIR) Post #AVaJF6H1mEGW2ikPlg by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-12T16:43:07.021215Z
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@teamtuck @benjaminhollon > In a perfect world, hardware and software wouldn't be exclusiveThis is exactly why #FOSS is important. :sb_thumbsUp: > it's nice to not be IT Admin at home.Yep. That's precisely why I tell my grandma and MIL to just get Apple devices.
(DIR) Post #AVaNpJao8NB3aoWWVU by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T17:31:48Z
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@twizzayBattery swolen likely means you should really get it replaced, though… those things can be dangerous.
(DIR) Post #AVaNpKvl9xWzk5Klns by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-12T17:34:26.453143Z
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@benjaminhollon I haven't used that phone in like 10 years. I probably should dispose of the battery though.
(DIR) Post #AVaNq7RemfZCCucvBY by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T17:34:00Z
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@twizzayYeah, I'm on an SE 2 as well; it's the latest hand-me-down from my family.
(DIR) Post #AVaNtikUXu8Slu9c0G by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-12T17:35:17.826590Z
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@benjaminhollon Still a solid iPhone. I've heard that it tends to play nicely with parts on the SE 3. So keep it around if you decide to upgrade in the next 5 years.
(DIR) Post #AVaO47ydbRhNuYjW6K by Qper@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T17:20:19Z
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@twizzay @RL_Dane I have a Redmi Note 7 spare.. i experimented with postmarketos (wont boot) and Ubuntu Touch (works nice but misses to much) as hardcore no-Google.. Currently running Pixel Experience Rom. Full on Google but just to try running it. Looks are nice. But yeah..customRom and Google . So was looking at /e/OS .. will look into Calyx..
(DIR) Post #AVaO48eT5v9w0IIvIm by RL_Dane@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T17:36:00Z
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@Qper @twizzayI've heard good things about /e/.I've had a pretty good experience with Calyx. Helpful folks in the bridged telegram/matrix chat room, and everything works pretty well.The only thing I'm missing is in-app purchases. No way to do that with MicroG so far.#CalyxOS has a really good built-in firewall, so you can firewall your apps AND use your vpn of choice (Mullvad for me)....
(DIR) Post #AVaO49OYKa1SJDrj8K by RL_Dane@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T17:36:05Z
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@Qper @twizzay...I even have the google keyboard (Gboard), but it's firewalled off so it can never phone home.I just recently added google voice dictation, also firewalled off (after the initial download of the voice profile)
(DIR) Post #AVaO7ZtOGqelMFvLdI by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-12T17:37:48.057852Z
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@RL_Dane @Qper That is a pretty solid feature.The next phone I buy will be purchased solely for good portability with custom ROM's.Still doing lots of research.
(DIR) Post #AVaOYZD4urTL3n0C5g by RL_Dane@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T17:40:54Z
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@twizzay @QperCan't go wrong with Pixel. They're meant for development. Almost everything android-based supports the Pixels.The mid-range ones (like my 4a 5G) are pretty decent
(DIR) Post #AVaOYZzI1c2LTJYhEm by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-12T17:42:40.149988Z
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@RL_Dane @Qper I'm looking at Fairphone right now because I like the hardware modularity and repairability.But, I have been looking at the pixel 6 as well. Apparently the battery in the pixels is glued down pretty hard. Making it somewhat difficult to replace. :/
(DIR) Post #AVaOhqQmG55L4mpkm0 by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T17:44:00Z
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@twizzay @slembckeHa, I was *also* on an iPhone 6 (Plus) before this. XD
(DIR) Post #AVaOkgZjMEp5NWNOAC by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-12T17:44:52.137886Z
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@benjaminhollon @slembcke HA! The Apple consumerism rebellion grows!
(DIR) Post #AVaOqW69DyFmcbJsJM by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T17:42:25Z
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@cnxThis is true. For batteries I do expect them to make it easy to replace them, at least, and ideally make tooling available and raise awareness for methods to extend the lifetime of your battery, such as setting a charge limit and not leaving it charging overnight.
(DIR) Post #AVaOqWkYnia0dwE9Im by cnx@larkspur.one
2023-05-12T17:45:54.511244Z
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@benjaminhollon, I was half joking mentioning that Li-Ion batteries alone are electronic devices (given builtin charging board), but also reminding that reduce comes before reuse and recycle.
(DIR) Post #AVaPMF0UIxU0send4q by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T17:50:18Z
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@twizzayYeah, you really should. XD
(DIR) Post #AVaPVf74bzkmSCN8QC by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T17:52:45Z
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@cnxAn excellent reminder. :)
(DIR) Post #AVaS0Awh1VibmDC7HM by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T17:52:26Z
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@twizzay @slembckeAll of my mobile devices have been hand-me-downs. XD
(DIR) Post #AVaWEWv0WdLJnLVRwG by RL_Dane@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T19:08:04Z
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@twizzay @QperI think Calyx supports the fairphone as well. Nice device.
(DIR) Post #AVaWEXSgVQHVTnGLQm by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-12T19:08:39.806327Z
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@RL_Dane @Qper It does indeed. The more I learn about the fairphone the more I love it.
(DIR) Post #AVaWG74zZ5YkEgvo6i by slembcke@mastodon.gamedev.place
2023-05-12T18:31:54Z
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@twizzay @benjaminhollon Yeah... I used to be a big OS X fan, but they started trying really hard to turn it into iOS, and now that their hardware is all soldered and glued together I don't want to buy it even if it is fast. :( Oh well. No point feeling nostalgic about a company's values I suppose. They tend to only have principles when it suits them.
(DIR) Post #AVaWGq0cWBnhaAES2a by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-12T19:09:06.886215Z
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@slembcke @benjaminhollon Yep pretty much. :(
(DIR) Post #AVacJWEJ73bmpdIOVU by teamtuck@mast.teamtuck.xyz
2023-05-12T19:18:17Z
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@twizzay @Qper @RL_Dane I like what the Fairphone is trying to accomplish but they need a presence in the US.
(DIR) Post #AVacJWo6xwFScg2zJY by RL_Dane@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T19:25:53Z
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@teamtuckA-a-a-men!@twizzay @Qper
(DIR) Post #AVacJXPgiEJ2VDczsu by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-12T20:16:46.835738Z
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@RL_Dane @teamtuck @Qper That's why I'm going to start sending them money.
(DIR) Post #AVaqsQRK1yM6MrvElU by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T17:32:05Z
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@sotolf @twizzayYesss. I think my mom had one.
(DIR) Post #AVaqsRCTCg4Mj5ytFo by RL_Dane@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T22:56:10Z
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@benjaminhollonMy first celly was a Nokia 5160i on 2000.12.25The breakthrough feature that earned that variant the -i suffix?SMS.Oooooooo! 🤣@sotolf @twizzay
(DIR) Post #AVaqvbtTtuvylFc0VU by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-12T23:00:34.969497Z
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@RL_Dane @benjaminhollon @sotolf I remember adding SMS to my phone plan. Heck, I remember seeing ads for it when it first rolled out.Still doesn't seem that long ago...
(DIR) Post #AVatFM14qIMfDZhuds by RL_Dane@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T23:18:17Z
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@twizzayRemember paying for a bank of allowed text messages per month and per MEGABYTE for data??🤣🤣🤣🤦🏻♂️@benjaminhollon @sotolf
(DIR) Post #AVatFMrXhEKdqIFoQ4 by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-12T23:26:06.636967Z
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@RL_Dane @benjaminhollon @sotolf Remember surfing the web through a screen that was like the size of what would now be considered a smartwatch?Remember getting staying up late because texting was free on nights and weekends?Pepperidge Farms remembers.
(DIR) Post #AVatJLpdTEZNnuGHEu by APPTeOORuzvlGOetVY.verita84@poster.place
2023-05-12T23:27:17.218120Z
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@underlap @benjaminhollon Only iPhones have good cameras though
(DIR) Post #AVau8U6aTBgiESZZlg by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T23:32:53Z
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@twizzay @RL_Dane @sotolfRemember only having electricity at night?
(DIR) Post #AVauDfPpqSoil72yps by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-12T23:35:31.238327Z
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@benjaminhollon @RL_Dane @sotolf .............................YEAH MAN TOTALLY. :awkward_monkey_look:
(DIR) Post #AVawrsLxMa5QNKX8lc by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T23:57:08Z
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@twizzay @RL_Dane @sotolfHey those of us who grew up in small Afghanistan cities in the 00's gotta represent. ;)
(DIR) Post #AVawtZhBhcSV5aH4wC by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-13T00:07:26.720124Z
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@benjaminhollon @RL_Dane @sotolf Thank you for representing. 🙏
(DIR) Post #AVb0O59fbLxBCzprPc by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-13T00:08:34Z
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@twizzay @RL_Dane @sotolfHappy to. ;)
(DIR) Post #AVb0O6ur3PI6fcv3b6 by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-13T00:11:34Z
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@twizzay @RL_Dane @sotolfAnyway, I didn't have a phone until 2021, so I'm afraid I can't relate well with y'all's stories.
(DIR) Post #AVb0RIq5BH7cWAD2eG by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-13T00:47:09.354232Z
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@benjaminhollon @RL_Dane @sotolf I got my first smart phone in 2017. lolThat was a personal choice though. Not circumstantial.
(DIR) Post #AVb2ScugENb6yU7QYq by teamtuck@mast.teamtuck.xyz
2023-05-13T00:59:14Z
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@twizzay @sotolf @RL_Dane @benjaminhollon Motorola RAZR y’all.
(DIR) Post #AVb2SdarhXLF5Jr7JY by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-13T01:09:08.967113Z
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@teamtuck @sotolf @RL_Dane @benjaminhollon I remember when those came out and a friend of mine got one and I thought it was sooooo keewl.One time he got mad and threw it across the room and it broke into three pieces and we put it back to gether and it still freakin worked.Take me back, 2005. :blobcatnoplease:
(DIR) Post #AVb5DC0KIMat2L5l2W by RL_Dane@fosstodon.org
2023-05-13T01:35:44Z
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@twizzayThose were so cool. Inspired a lot of copycats like the Kyocera Kintana. It was really the iPhone of its day. Sadly, I only had a cameraphone for part of 2005 until early 2007, and then again in early 2009 until now. They were so expensive, but I would have loved to have pictures from 2004 and earlier. @benjaminhollon @teamtuck @sotolf
(DIR) Post #AVb5DCg9mq3R84fAEy by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-13T01:40:02.441330Z
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@RL_Dane @benjaminhollon @teamtuck @sotolf Weird to think that photo chronicling of people’s lives really only started happening when camera phones came into the world. I still have some of mine from my 2MP lens days.
(DIR) Post #AVb9HMEOc5IVjJukVs by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-13T02:22:55Z
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@twizzay @RL_Dane @sotolfYeah, largely personal for me, too.
(DIR) Post #AVcHNbZRUJhzpjCzDM by RL_Dane@fosstodon.org
2023-05-13T00:52:58Z
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@benjaminhollon🤯That's awesome, ngl@twizzay @sotolf
(DIR) Post #AVcHNc7pQTDLYNIRoO by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-13T02:40:18Z
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@RL_Dane @twizzay @sotolfRight???Even better was the timing:- My media literacy class had a project where everyone had to give up their smartphones for several weeks- I'd only that week decided with my parents that I'd receive a phone- I negotiated an alternate project where I'd be learning how to use a smartphone responsibly instead of "learning" what it's like not to have one. ;)
(DIR) Post #AVcHNcbbdl292jEEE4 by RL_Dane@fosstodon.org
2023-05-13T04:04:08Z
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@benjaminhollon @twizzay @sotolfHah! :D
(DIR) Post #AVcHNdJuz0TlG9xcIK by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-13T04:42:35Z
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@RL_Dane @twizzay @sotolfAfter going years being one of the only kids in my class without a smartphone, I was suddenly the only person with one. ;)
(DIR) Post #AVcHNdsIv9z6yo34tM by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-13T15:31:37.556738Z
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@benjaminhollon @RL_Dane @sotolf
(DIR) Post #AVcHZBAnSWcLRDCRU0 by RL_Dane@fosstodon.org
2023-05-12T22:52:44Z
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@sotolfEarly GSM? Do modern carriers still connect to it?@twizzay @benjaminhollonEdit: typo. I hate touchscreens.
(DIR) Post #AVcHZBskp5mNdXlY00 by fedops@fosstodon.org
2023-05-13T05:57:56Z
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@RL_Dane GSM incl. GPRS is still supported by all mobile networks I know. Your carrier may choose to block your access, but there is no technical reason for it.Many remote IoT connections like vending machines, some public transport displays, and gazillions of remote sensing equipment still use GPRS as it's perfectly fine for the use case of sending a few bytes of data to home base.@sotolf @twizzay @benjaminhollon
(DIR) Post #AVcHa260h3HRZiMrse by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-13T15:33:55.828951Z
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@fedops @RL_Dane @sotolf @benjaminhollon :the_more_you_know:
(DIR) Post #AVcHiO0F7ySBppeZo8 by RL_Dane@fosstodon.org
2023-05-13T10:25:08Z
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@fedops @sotolf @twizzay @benjaminhollonIn the U.S., they're already shutting down 3G this year. :(
(DIR) Post #AVcHiOg4cRujvZDz0a by fedops@fosstodon.org
2023-05-13T10:51:04Z
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@RL_Dane same here, but that doesn't include 2G. Otherwise your vending machines never get refilled. 😄I was actually surprised at the amount of 3G still running in Ireland. I've not seen any in continental (western) Europe in years. But then it is still a good technology in rural areas as cell sizes can be huge.@sotolf @twizzay @benjaminhollon
(DIR) Post #AVcHiPKqAsWXy0IXYG by RL_Dane@fosstodon.org
2023-05-13T11:19:37Z
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@fedops @sotolf @twizzay @benjaminhollonJust checked, and it seems that all of the major U.S. networks have shuttered 2G (and 3G).Sadness."carriers have limited spectrum available for expansion," yadda yadda.It's becoming impossible to use a mobile phone without being tracked.
(DIR) Post #AVcHjqZSOk68j6oyBs by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-13T15:35:42.266304Z
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@RL_Dane @fedops @sotolf @benjaminhollon :the_more_you_know:
(DIR) Post #AVcHyvBhVzejOBthTM by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-13T15:38:25.633503Z
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@RL_Dane @benjaminhollon @fedops @sotolf Yet another sidenote. This might be the longest thread I've ever been in. And Ive been in some crazy hellthreads before.
(DIR) Post #AVcSyEYx5o7MgaeDjc by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-13T17:36:33Z
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@twizzay @fedops @RL_Dane @sotolf @twizzayWait, really? You must not have been in many threads with @RL_Dane before. XD
(DIR) Post #AVcSyFHGR3Yyu1Nbns by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-13T17:41:32.553088Z
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@benjaminhollon @fedops @RL_Dane @sotolf I actually think its the combination of both of you and the fact that the OP in this thread was so popular that has made this so long. :at_jakeWink:
(DIR) Post #AVcT4X3xDseDng9UCe by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-05-13T17:42:19Z
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@twizzay @fedops @RL_Dane @sotolfThat's very possible; this is the most widely-spread post I've ever made.
(DIR) Post #AVcfquqTImrQuVgPrc by RL_Dane@fosstodon.org
2023-05-13T20:03:03Z
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@benjaminhollonOH RIGHT, LIKE IT'S ALWAYS MY FAULT!!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤓🔥🔥🔥🧵🧵🧵@twizzay @fedops @sotolf
(DIR) Post #AVcg8XTYvayddyN3Oy by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-13T20:09:05.259583Z
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@RL_Dane @benjaminhollon @fedops @sotolf :comfyheart:
(DIR) Post #AVchFkK1fFzBSzuWmG by gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks
2023-05-13T20:21:35.966Z
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@benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org 4 years? Why would you need something to work for three whole years? Sign-in with your $manufacturer account to receive the latest updates.