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(DIR) Post #AUxXDSJgBjhnSIN6Po by sue@liberdon.com
2023-04-23T23:45:54Z
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Minarchists pursue libertarian ends (protecting property rights) using authoritarian means (the state). This is a contradiction because they are violating property rights in the process.This makes them authoritarians, and NOT libertarians.https://sue.hashnode.dev/minarchists-are-not-libertarians#minarchy #minarchism #anarchy #anarchism #ethics #philosophy #libertarianism
(DIR) Post #AUyWYI6nQjND57g1FQ by h4890@liberdon.com
2023-04-24T11:13:13Z
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@sue Adding to that the philosophical question of if eternal growth is inherent in the concept of the state by design. Has there ever been a state that did not grow over time (unless it eventually collapsed that is, and was replaced with another one that grew over time).
(DIR) Post #AUyWfnLlfoe00DG2ds by h4890@liberdon.com
2023-04-24T11:14:32Z
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@sue I love this long form content. You should start a libertarian mailinglist where people could have more in depth conversations and discussions than on mastodon. Add to that the bonus of, since it would be a mailinglist, a lot of people with no genuine interest would never bother or know how to sign up, so the quality of the discussion will most likely be way better than on mastodon! =)
(DIR) Post #AUyaVpkWIXOAMeLC9A by cebolla@liberdon.com
2023-04-24T11:57:33Z
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@sue this is fun to argue about but ultimately pointless. Even the normiest of normies agree that government is too big.Maybe worse than pointless. It encourages people who are liberty minded to focus on the differences between them and other liberty minded folks. Efforts would be better spent encouraging people to recognize that they are already anarchist in much of their lives. Or to get people just to question the legitimacy of the government.
(DIR) Post #AUyrvxHGd5CeSjhR2W by sue@liberdon.com
2023-04-24T15:12:44Z
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@h4890 Thanks! I haven't advertised it, but you can actually subscribe to my blog via e-mail on here: https://sue.hashnode.dev/newsletterI'll let you know if replying to such an email will show your reply as a comment on the article.
(DIR) Post #AUysawM4xnrzTUUeoq by sue@liberdon.com
2023-04-24T15:20:13Z
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@h4890 Great question. I tried looking for a satisfactory answer, namely a state that significantly lowered taxes & removed some laws over a long period of time and the best I could get was... New Hampshire! But even then, it's not like new arbitrary laws never get passed there. So I don't think there are any good examples. It makes sense because why would a state want to intentionally lessen its power and make its existence less secure?
(DIR) Post #AUysySuY5TlD6bply4 by sue@liberdon.com
2023-04-24T15:24:26Z
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@cebolla First of all thanks for the feedback, I greatly appreciate it.1. The normiest of normies think that the rich aren't being taxed enough amongst other beliefs that would ultimately further the growth of the state.2. They should focus on the differences because that's the only way that they can bridge the gap between being a 'nearly libertarian' and being a libertarian.3. I think a lot of minarchists already realize this, but they stumble when it comes to certain state functions.
(DIR) Post #AUytAjb1sVJsKRYQhE by sue@liberdon.com
2023-04-24T15:26:40Z
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@cebolla Having said that, I agree that encouraging people to recognize that almost all interactions they have with people are anarchist in nature could be an effective strategy for attempting to convince people who are more authoritarian than minarchists to reconsider their beliefs. But since minarchists already want to free the market to quite a significant extent, I think they are already aware of this.
(DIR) Post #AUytIHw8bEHWrR1tZY by sue@liberdon.com
2023-04-24T15:28:00Z
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@cebolla Moreover, the bulk of my articles are written to get people to question the legitimacy of the government, including this one. I prefaced the article by demonstrating that states cannot be defended using logical argumentation.
(DIR) Post #AUz0qHU3UOcMyt3BEO by sue@liberdon.com
2023-04-24T16:52:35Z
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@h4890 I can confirm that if you reply to such an email it will show as a comment on the article, so what you said is possible. I should start advertising the fact that people can subscribe to my newsletter by email. Thanks a lot for the suggestion!
(DIR) Post #AUzVG3X8yXiZrxhYKe by h4890@liberdon.com
2023-04-24T22:33:24Z
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@sue You're welcome! Check out GNU mailman, that would really take it to the next level. =)
(DIR) Post #AUzVMk7dXqtth1xXgu by h4890@liberdon.com
2023-04-24T22:34:38Z
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@sue I think of the UK before and after Thatcher, and Sweden in the 70s when they drove Kamprad and Rausing out of the country with marginal tax rates upwards of 80 to 90% and today, with 50%. So the size of the state fluctuates, but what's interesting is the trend over time, let's say 20-30 years intervals or so.
(DIR) Post #AUzVZiSL3DBOI3pQa8 by h4890@liberdon.com
2023-04-24T22:36:59Z
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@sue Ahh... here you go, mailinglist as a service: https://www.mailmanlists.net/ .
(DIR) Post #AUzaLFIz8TuHb5NBNA by sue@liberdon.com
2023-04-24T23:30:23Z
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@h4890 Thanks but I think the current functionality offered by Hashnode is fine. I don't think they've placed any limits on how many people can subscribe to a newsletter & I can just reply to people who respond to articles via email using my Hashnode account.
(DIR) Post #AUzanvcHPvnUvo4hIO by sue@liberdon.com
2023-04-24T23:35:35Z
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@h4890 Thatcher introduced poll tax which replaced a tax based on property values. Sure, poll tax was a flat tax, but more people ended up being taxed under it since it didn't just apply to property owners. So it's hard to ascertain whether certain tax reforms are an indicator of a growing or shrinking state.
(DIR) Post #AV0dzFGnBGAI5j4WWm by cebolla@liberdon.com
2023-04-25T11:45:57Z
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Hi @sue . I have to apologize for being so cranky yesterday. I read your article again this morning and didn't remember much of it from yesterday. It's a well thought out piece. I must have been reacting to something I had in my own head. š„“
(DIR) Post #AV2usSr8M9NNjoLJEu by sue@liberdon.com
2023-04-26T14:04:38Z
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@cebolla That's fine, thanks for reading through it again.
(DIR) Post #AVSu0EBdjR2wiM1wW0 by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-09T02:57:19.847970Z
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@sue Who cares? Lolberts are retarded and impotent. Just kill all the bad guys to protect the good guys.
(DIR) Post #AVSw5NFjeSwSBkWm36 by William_The_Dragonborn@poa.st
2023-05-09T03:20:41.161814Z
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@ArdainianRight @sue
(DIR) Post #AVSwNEWgprGQKtyRfM by SuperSnekFriend@poa.st
2023-05-09T03:23:54.371012Z
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@sue >no true lolberg believes [x]Holy molly, you fags are just as bad as commies with this.
(DIR) Post #AVSwWTHxJowcj8UGki by Remi@poa.st
2023-05-09T03:25:34.977317Z
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@SuperSnekFriend @sue True capitalism has never been tried.
(DIR) Post #AVSwZTZ4kT9mS5vZGC by RahowasaurusRex1979@mugicha.club
2023-05-09T03:26:07.412015Z
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Iāll keep saying itThe only good lolberts became White Jamahiriya chads or died going OMA against the cops
(DIR) Post #AVSx6nCUlQfwuLFhtg by Bill_Boone@poa.st
2023-05-09T03:32:08.682024Z
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@sue Wow, this is gay and I don't care.Heil Hitler!
(DIR) Post #AVT2WXzUR4Mz2GGlFY by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-09T04:32:47.728730Z
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@William_The_Dragonborn @sue Sometimes the best solution really is the simplest.
(DIR) Post #AVT4Nya9iYOP4N4vjc by KryptoBlok@bae.st
2023-05-09T04:53:41.433009Z
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@sue @ArdainianRight @sue Do you mean all libertarians, or just the fake milquetoast ones?
(DIR) Post #AVT4nw89SIcqzkMIbo by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-09T04:58:21.388588Z
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@KryptoBlok @sue If you're anything other than a hardcore Hoppe fanboy your opinion doesn't even come close to mattering.
(DIR) Post #AVT5GJiTMDqWFlsdvs by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-09T05:03:28.983063Z
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@KryptoBlok @sue Honestly I'd probably call Hoppe more of a micronationalist than a libertarian so he's not saddled with the baggage of the term.
(DIR) Post #AVT5tJu6arsu83v4lc by KryptoBlok@bae.st
2023-05-09T05:10:33.573227Z
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@sue @ArdainianRight @sue I'd say I'm a libertarian (of some kind...), but I agree there are many problems in the movement - entryism, infighting, purity spiraling, hippies, etc. I wouldn't mind using a new term without all that baggage.
(DIR) Post #AVT5w72asIT56UDnW4 by KryptoBlok@bae.st
2023-05-09T05:11:03.865584Z
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@sue @ArdainianRight @sue For now "christian anarchist" will do
(DIR) Post #AVTVk6V2pDep448P5c by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2023-05-09T10:00:06Z
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@William_The_Dragonborn @ArdainianRight @sue No libertarian would ever support foreign aid. This is the worst strawman ever. Delete this shit right NOW!!!!!
(DIR) Post #AVTmNFkRyJf6JC1vRw by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2023-05-09T13:06:32Z
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@KryptoBlok @ArdainianRight @sue Infighting is a problem with all ideologies. I don't know why people think it's unique to libertarianism.
(DIR) Post #AVTt742sPk6Z3hsPY0 by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2023-05-09T14:21:59Z
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@Remi @sue @SuperSnekFriend Actually it has, several times. Some have even lasted longer than the US.http://www.ozarkia.net/bill/anarchism/faq.html#part17
(DIR) Post #AVTxuRdBuZ60DNfFLc by Remi@poa.st
2023-05-09T15:15:49.920736Z
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@xianc78 @sue @SuperSnekFriend um none of the examples listed featured my noble african AMERICAN brothers and sisters so can you truly say they were capitalist
(DIR) Post #AVU21gmaNOY53AlhYG by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-09T16:01:56Z
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@Bill_Boone Fuck off socialist
(DIR) Post #AVU2GrcWMecj0SIS0W by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-09T16:04:41Z
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@SuperSnekFriend No point using words if they stop meaning anything.
(DIR) Post #AVU2PXnnPvJS9Di3H6 by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-09T16:06:15Z
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@ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok
(DIR) Post #AVU4byP8XImG2KEIk4 by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-09T16:30:54.424890Z
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@sue @KryptoBlok I literally own Democracy: The God That Failed in paperback.
(DIR) Post #AVU4oZHLGRbBsJabWS by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-09T16:33:12Z
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@ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok How is he not a libertarian?
(DIR) Post #AVU64OEKD77GCCHpCK by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-09T16:47:13.209164Z
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@sue @KryptoBlok He is, but his work is useful because it's not constrained by libertarian social autism. The libertarian analysis of the nature of the state is more or less accurate, the issue is the NAP is naive and ridiculous in an inherently violent and predatory world. Basically both Hoppe and Hobbes are right. The state is an inherently violent, tyrannical, selfish, and exploitative mechanism, but it also enables civilization by subjugating an inherently violent, tyrannical, selfish, and exploitative humanity. In culling competing predators while breeding taxpayers as domesticated cattle, the state gradually creates a more peaceful world through the use of violence and terror.
(DIR) Post #AVU6OfGEbGWyo7qbBo by hachi@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-09T16:50:53.687481Z
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@ArdainianRight @sue You just want to genocide queer folks like me. I don't like libertarians, but at least they don't claim to want to exterminate me.
(DIR) Post #AVU6UIVu5RQzzmrXZA by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-09T16:51:55.642817Z
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@hachi @sue
(DIR) Post #AVU6eimZH6beMXcyEC by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-05-09T16:53:50.200030Z
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@ArdainianRight @sue @William_The_Dragonborn >don't lock bad people in boxes :brain0: >lock bad people in boxes :brain1: >lock bad people in the forever box :wojak_psycho:
(DIR) Post #AVU78QGKhDIzbyiEiW by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-09T16:59:11Z
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@ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok That's great but you can't make any coherent argument for the state without falling into a performative contradiction. Since you cannot argue against the fact that you own your body, there's no logical basis for not being an anarchist.https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Argumentation_ethics
(DIR) Post #AVU7f3l7NsxhNHft44 by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-09T17:05:04.020356Z
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@sue @KryptoBlok Owning your body doesn't mean shit when you can't function and survive at any meaningful scale without a broader society, which must inevitably be governed by force.
(DIR) Post #AVU7j8e79kghgpLMm0 by SuperSnekFriend@poa.st
2023-05-09T17:05:50.074869Z
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@sue >He thinks I'm trying to argue with him.Cute!
(DIR) Post #AVU8150DRR67bOEibg by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-09T17:09:03Z
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@SuperSnekFriend Fuck off then, timewaster
(DIR) Post #AVU85x60GXAcWnGbYW by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-09T17:09:54Z
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@ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok Disprove the notion that you own your body and you can convince me that I am wrong.
(DIR) Post #AVU8HSv2HwdyPXcvaa by CommonSay@freecumextremist.com
2023-05-09T17:12:02.335936Z
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@ArdainianRight @sue @William_The_Dragonborn lock child murderers and rapists in boxes and use them for free laborif they disobey, eat themezezezez v. ezthey dont need to be alive to be useful
(DIR) Post #AVU8QTsu4G5O0nvcNE by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-09T17:13:39Z
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@xianc78 @KryptoBlok @ArdainianRight There's also nothing wrong with infighting. Argumentation is the most important tool we have in discovering truth. It is inevitable that we all hold some beliefs which are not true, and we should strive to correct them.
(DIR) Post #AVU8uATMnyY6Uj8ifI by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-09T17:19:00.470553Z
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@sue @KryptoBlok Hobbes does implicitly acknowledge self-ownership by admitting the one exception to the absolute will of the sovereign is that every man has a right to resist his own destruction, as in such a case there's no longer an incentive or justification for obedience. It is for this reason that resistance and revolt against our genocidally anti-white globohomo regime is inherently justified. For a regime that enables obedient subjects to be fruitful and multiply, and so pass on their genes and fulfill the evolutionary win condition, obedience is justified and the risks of revolution are almost always suicidal folly, but when the sovereign dedicates itself to strangling the bloodlines of a part of its subjects, obedience is no longer required, for that state has thrown out the incentive for obedience, preservation from annihilation.
(DIR) Post #AVU940eSAtruvl1BdQ by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-09T17:20:47Z
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@ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok How is this an argument against Argumentation Ethics?
(DIR) Post #AVUBNdMGgjW8O5zu76 by SuperSnekFriend@poa.st
2023-05-09T17:46:46.319010Z
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@sue >Lolberg telling other people what to do.
(DIR) Post #AVUBd5lZLkyypzCdYO by Weedle@poa.st
2023-05-09T17:49:34.122724Z
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@sue @SuperSnekFriend >on the fedi>complaining that someone is wasting your time My, you sure are a kettle with a niggerish coloration
(DIR) Post #AVUBxMR94wX6KeJZjc by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-09T17:53:11.957600Z
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@sue @KryptoBlok It isn't. I am fully acknowledging it and explaining how my position likewise assumes self-ownership, and just contextualizes it into the natural reality of the individual's existence in a harsh and unforgiving world.
(DIR) Post #AVUCB27zNr4nOnsFbk by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-09T17:55:40Z
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@ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok Then your position is admittedly logically inconsistent and consequentialist in nature. I do not care for logically inconsistent arguments. If you believe in self-ownership, it's literally impossible to logically justify the existence of a state.
(DIR) Post #AVUCJabl4To0ebsVai by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-09T17:57:12.769235Z
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@sue @KryptoBlok Yeah, not even worth a real argument.
(DIR) Post #AVUCTw3w9uDW5czZ0S by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-09T17:59:05Z
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@ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok Don't come at me with illogical shit then, retard
(DIR) Post #AVUCj3fa9q4w1ioMGu by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-09T18:01:49.758613Z
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@sue @KryptoBlok My argument is plenty coherent, you're just too autistic to consider an argument outside of your framework. No worries, hopefully you'll grow out of it like me.
(DIR) Post #AVUF9CP8VLAUYRiAYC by victor@crucible.world
2023-05-09T18:27:28.776905Z
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@sue @ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok > if I just say "logic" enough times, I win the debate
(DIR) Post #AVUFE8vIsIidCp7BAm by kroner@seal.cafe
2023-05-09T18:29:51.591295Z
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(DIR) Post #AVUFqdZtLkuBHeSHhI by TheMadPirate@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-09T18:36:49.719605Z
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@sue ever heard of Hobbes "Leviathan" ?
(DIR) Post #AVUFuCBP95dFThhLiC by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-09T18:37:27Z
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@TheMadPirate Yes, what about it?
(DIR) Post #AVUG4CJfVMdSmsKhfc by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-09T18:39:15Z
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@ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok How is it coherent when you even admitted that it doesn't disprove Argumentation Ethics? You're just rambling on about nonsense and not giving me any proof that we do not own our bodies. Hopefully I won't grow out of a logical, objectively true ideology like your cringy post-libertarian edgy ass did.
(DIR) Post #AVUGSvCwFd8MxvyTVw by TheMadPirate@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-09T18:43:44.024290Z
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@sue In otrher words, there is a fundamental flawed, not to say patently false, premise with your argument, and that is that human beings are not fundamentally good, not in the least, they are vicious, they are cruel, they are greedy, they will steal if they can, they will kill if it benefits them, etc. The Lolbertarians Utopia of Anarchy i.e. a society in which people are simply so morally high that they simply do not commit crimes or initiate the use of force against each other, is simply a delusional pipe dream. No such thing exists, or could possibly ever exists, the only result will be the emergence of an authoritarian tribalism based on which gang has the bigger stick.So in order to have a functional society you need a way to deter people from acting on their worst instincts, to make them think twice before committing a crime, and finally, to weed out those who are so flawed that they will only resort to initiating the use of force.Such a deterrent mechanism has a name....guess what that name is ?
(DIR) Post #AVUH3OSixcCw7dkVWa by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-09T18:50:18.941223Z
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@sue @KryptoBlok I mean that it's true argumentation logically implies self-ownership. Self-ownership does not logically imply anarchism. You're born owning yourself into a hostile world with lots of people who want to destroy you. It is entirely logical to just submit to a sovereign who can violently suppress these actors, even though said sovereign is also a threat to violently suppressing you, because your chances of surviving and reproducing(the evolutionary "win condition" of all life) is generally better under the stability of a single violent ruler than under the war of all against all. While the state is a mighty and uncertain threat, it is preferable to the certain threat of a new wolf around every corner, and it empirically is a far more peaceful and effective arrangement than the preceding state of nature. So generally you're better off shutting up and paying your taxes than worrying about every potential person that you meet being a violent predator. A Hobbesian framework does agree with the self-ownership implied by argumentation ethics, it just recommends using that self-ownership quite differently.
(DIR) Post #AVUUYse45dby78Ok3k by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-09T21:21:40Z
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@ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok I don't understand why you can't apply the same logic to the private production of defence. Why would you want to submit yourself to some statist who has no incentive to keep you safe? And you can't think that people own their bodies but that the state is also legitimate. There's no such thing as a voluntary state by definition.
(DIR) Post #AVUWEKy1nIfNmR4Ff6 by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-09T21:40:23Z
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@TheMadPirate 1) When did I say that "human beings are fundamentally good?"2) No ancap thinks that there would be 0 crime in Ancapistan. You can read about polycentric law as a way of dealing with crime. Others might take the law into their own hands.3) If you have a state, you essentially guarantee that the cruelest, greediest, most morally reprehensible people will rise to the top, so how does that solve your problem? It just exacerbates it.
(DIR) Post #AVUWHpxV1cBIldUOSu by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-09T21:41:01Z
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@TheMadPirate Furthermore, I'm not a consequentialist. Argumentation Ethics is objective, logical proof that anarcho-capitalism is correct. If you want to change my mind then you can show me how Argumentation Ethics is wrong. Until then, you're just wasting your time.
(DIR) Post #AVUYO02UetEFg3tKe8 by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-09T22:04:31.730239Z
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@sue @KryptoBlok Where are these private providers of defense? If they can't protect people from a state they're not getting the job done.
(DIR) Post #AVUYVA3Dpjd2kteBQO by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-09T22:05:50Z
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@ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok Everyone who defends themselves and others is a private provider of defence. Sure, that may be the case, but I'm not interested in consequentialist nonsense.
(DIR) Post #AVUZ4NHYdFCDvW8xLU by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-09T22:12:11.453777Z
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@sue @KryptoBlok Who's spouting nonsense when one side is discussing reality as it is, and the other is theorycrafting something that has never actually worked at any scale in human history?
(DIR) Post #AVUZVb0vgYsKKlLVmS by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-09T22:17:07Z
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@ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok You are trying to justify the existence of the state based on the idea that everybody owns their own body.That's not logically possible since the existence of the state necessitates the refusal of the idea that everybody owns their own body.Otherwise, how can you justify taxation and conscription, for example?
(DIR) Post #AVUZfKdPREwoQizFya by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-09T22:18:52Z
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@ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok You can say "Well without taxation, people will be worse off because they'll be less safe" but that's beating around the bush. You can't logically believe both of the following without contradicting yourself:1) People own their bodies2) The state is justified in arbitrarily telling people what they can & cannot do with their bodies
(DIR) Post #AVUZnnfLNvROmkviNc by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2023-05-09T22:20:21Z
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@ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok @sue >never actually worked at any scale in human history?It has. We have:* Harappa (Bronze Age India)* Ancient Ireland* Icelandic Commonwealth* The American Old WestSome of these lasted longer than the US.http://www.ozarkia.net/bill/anarchism/faq.html#part17
(DIR) Post #AVUbMKKiXE7jtwJFei by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-09T22:37:50.755178Z
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@xianc78 @KryptoBlok @sue Bruh, you literally just quoted Walt Bismarck's "NAP" song.
(DIR) Post #AVUbupu7f2OvfAKEJE by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2023-05-09T22:44:03Z
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@ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok @sue I didn't know about that song until I looked it up. I also never fully watched Aladdin and HOLY SHIT, DISNEY HAD CROSS DRESSERS EVEN BACK IN THE 90s!
(DIR) Post #AVUc6e41VbGKPqaTMu by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-09T22:46:12.502087Z
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@xianc78 @KryptoBlok @sue Crossdressing as a joke was in Looney Tunes.
(DIR) Post #AVUcWlXmJy2r8xxb1M by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2023-05-09T22:50:56Z
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@ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok @sue The people behind that show were proto-furries. They had to sneak in their fetish somehow.
(DIR) Post #AVUcyZxF0GmdJB8H3o by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2023-05-09T22:55:58Z
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@ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok @sue I don't know why people have a problem with this. You don't have to be a part of it. Seasteading isn't just for libertarians either.
(DIR) Post #AVUd6js613KANkcJI8 by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-09T22:57:26Z
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@xianc78 @ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok Because they're lazy parasites with no concern for consistent, logical arguments so they turn to bullshit ideologies and try to act hard behind their computer screens.
(DIR) Post #AVUdCG03zSuLTUyVBw by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-09T22:58:26.154220Z
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@xianc78 @KryptoBlok @sue He's making fun of the idea as a LARP. I have no problem with seasteading, it's just not really a political solution.
(DIR) Post #AVUdjH0tFArQAq6ZAu by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-09T23:04:23.957441Z
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@sue @xianc78 @KryptoBlok Are there any consistent, logical arguments out there that don't just validate all of your political positions?
(DIR) Post #AVUdrcUtFd3B7b7KDI by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-09T23:05:55Z
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@ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok @xianc78 Not that I know of. You agreed with me that AE is valid. If somebody can demonstrate that it's not valid then I'll no longer believe in it, pretty simple.
(DIR) Post #AVUgGBvHOIArqnIxea by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-09T23:32:46Z
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@victor @KryptoBlok @ArdainianRight Not an argument
(DIR) Post #AVUggOjQOHEp6bFwHY by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2023-05-09T23:37:30Z
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@ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok @sue It would be a good way to stop arguing and actually see what political and economic systems actually work.
(DIR) Post #AVUqYWE7dgc5ZmUpY8 by TheMadPirate@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-10T01:28:07.952795Z
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@sue Your argument can be resumed as "I am OK with changing one Mob Rule with another Mob Rule, as long as I don't have to pay taxes to maintain that Mob Rule".
(DIR) Post #AVUqszAnj6yT8xhb3Q by TheMadPirate@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-10T01:31:50.034639Z
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@sue That's exactly the point. The whole point about Minatchism vs Anarcho-Capitalism IS an Ethical argument, because the whole core principle of the need of a Minimal State is exactly TO DETER BAD PEOPLE FROM HARMING GOOD PEOPLE. If there were no need to deter such people, then there would be no need to create a government at all.
(DIR) Post #AVVA9lHoVdFM7shAJM by KryptoBlok@bae.st
2023-05-10T05:07:46.418977Z
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@xianc78 @sue @xianc78 @ArdainianRight @sue Just watched the video for kicks. Nothing but strawmen. Nonaggression is just common sense - don't start stuff, put down stuff when needed. IMO you'd have to be a degenerate monster to oppose that (no better than those this bismarck guy claims to be against).
(DIR) Post #AVVAL679PZQZuO74nA by KryptoBlok@bae.st
2023-05-10T05:09:46.192330Z
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@sue @xianc78 @ArdainianRight @xianc78 @sue ....are there any political solutions though?
(DIR) Post #AVVdRqsrKl2xMz08w4 by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-10T10:35:57.505323Z
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@KryptoBlok @xianc78 @sue https://detroitriotcity.com/notice/AVUIYti3DXHNZuUs2y
(DIR) Post #AVVqeRqZ1ykst5GS8m by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-10T13:03:54Z
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@TheMadPirate How is it mob rule?
(DIR) Post #AVVqh2QvyQuuwDVl2m by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-10T13:04:23Z
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@TheMadPirate Where are you going to find these angels to run your government?
(DIR) Post #AVVyBykoP2iqBOVf4y by TheMadPirate@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-10T14:28:25.124395Z
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@sue You really are THAT dense that can not even realize such simple consequence.
(DIR) Post #AVVyXTUbJSnfb8B2NU by TheMadPirate@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-10T14:32:18.118802Z
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@sue By punishing them with no rewarding them with a continued use of power if they do not work to protect the citizens against harm. Now, the problem here is not that there are not good qualified people to run a good limited government, but that there are so many parasitical minded people with immoral sense of "justice" to preserve such limited government. As allegedly Benjamin Franklin said once "You will have a Republic.....if you can keep it".
(DIR) Post #AVW3HyMRHERwTJmq8m by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-10T15:25:31Z
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@TheMadPirate How are you going to punish them when they control the monopoly of force? They are also the ones harming the citizens with all their bullshit policies.
(DIR) Post #AVW3Lhz46lbSq0dRuy by sue@liberdon.com
2023-05-10T15:26:06Z
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@TheMadPirate You really are so dense that you have never heard of polycentric law
(DIR) Post #AVWLDwEj22PRtqP9fM by Dicer@poa.st
2023-05-10T18:46:29.603703Z
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@sue
(DIR) Post #AVWLd8ApmpPUA6b6Se by DEERBLOOD@poa.st
2023-05-10T18:51:02.750451Z
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@sue @ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok Lol i too was 14 years old once
(DIR) Post #AVWM2OOScQndhr167E by Twoinchdestroya@poa.st
2023-05-10T18:55:36.757180Z
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@DEERBLOOD @sue @ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok Sounds like me when I was 15Fedora TipsāJust keep running away and living alone, that is the only morally correct stanceā
(DIR) Post #AVWoltVEbESRwCfctU by TheMadPirate@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-11T00:17:34.198487Z
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@sue That's where the "Para Bellum" part kicks in, there was a reason why the founding fathers of the USA insisted of having well trained citizen militias that keep the big government statists in check. Now, that doesn't mean that people in general are too stupid or too coward to make use of well trained citizen militias to defend themselves against the initiation of the use of force by statists, even when such use of force is done gradually through a slow boiling procedure. In the end, people get the government they deserve.
(DIR) Post #AVWr3voWweGQE7QNY8 by TheMadPirate@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-11T00:43:13.488145Z
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@Dicer @sue It is hard to argue against that. That's just how people is.
(DIR) Post #AVWrDW67PdHFMgDoQq by TheMadPirate@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-11T00:44:58.309766Z
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@Twoinchdestroya @KryptoBlok @ArdainianRight @sue @DEERBLOOD AS IF the SJWs will just turn around and say "Well, OK, if you so much want to be left alone, we will leave you alone and take our Socialism to other place". AS IF !
(DIR) Post #AVWrTvr5Pk89sr1BKq by TheMadPirate@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-11T00:47:55.896352Z
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@KryptoBlok @ArdainianRight @xianc78 @sue There are, but there's something you need first....
(DIR) Post #AVWrspsYlqj8aXa9zc by TheMadPirate@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-11T00:52:26.006208Z
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@ArdainianRight @sue
(DIR) Post #AVWs2ROie8zRYaCkE4 by TheMadPirate@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-11T00:54:10.371111Z
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@ArdainianRight @sue
(DIR) Post #AVbNIyFg8aGdITB4vg by KryptoBlok@bae.st
2023-05-13T05:03:22.248378Z
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@sue @xianc78 @ArdainianRight @xianc78 @sue >le boog Have fun getting turbo-nuked by the technocrats lol.j,hyilk87i5u6y5tr4erfdw.jpg
(DIR) Post #AVbNVCrTe2tQ5Cgy5A by KryptoBlok@bae.st
2023-05-13T05:05:34.950900Z
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@sue @Dicer @sue The reality is that the state is the only thing protecting pedos from ancap justice. A libertarian revol*ti*n would be a mass extinction event for nonces.
(DIR) Post #AVbNWboIN72dkWs9hY by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-13T05:05:48.637012Z
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@KryptoBlok @xianc78 @sue There are many details to be ironed out of course, but at least it's more realistic than trying to vote for someone to fix the problem.
(DIR) Post #AVbNqBGalnQ5DYRNiK by MK2boogaloo@freespeechextremist.com
2023-05-13T05:09:22.628502Z
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@KryptoBlok @Dicer @sue I don't think that would happen.
(DIR) Post #AVbNrCwG2TBKh1Q2u8 by KryptoBlok@bae.st
2023-05-13T05:09:33.542508Z
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@sue @xianc78 @ArdainianRight @xianc78 @sue The only way something like that could ever happen is if you started out with an agorist-style parallel society to support it. Otherwise, I'm going to watch the fireworks from my bunker.
(DIR) Post #AVbO3agXZkwRofyL20 by KryptoBlok@bae.st
2023-05-13T05:11:47.788487Z
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@sue @MK2boogaloo @sue @Dicer I'll respectfully disagree with you about that.
(DIR) Post #AVbOGy8BiQdOIUHcie by MK2boogaloo@freespeechextremist.com
2023-05-13T05:14:13.089911Z
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@KryptoBlok @Dicer @sue I don't think any revolution would happen from Libertarians, never see any revolution from a disorganized group.
(DIR) Post #AVbOg4vFbQQabFCmDg by KryptoBlok@bae.st
2023-05-13T05:18:45.176021Z
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@sue @MK2boogaloo @sue @Dicer I half agree with you on that. The libertarian movement needs to stop wasting time with political bs, and sort itself out in order to get anything done.
(DIR) Post #AVbPeRMFJjS7YacAoi by KryptoBlok@bae.st
2023-05-13T05:29:39.665471Z
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@sue @xianc78 @ArdainianRight @sue @xianc78 (Also, I apologize for the late reply. The instance went down and I was busy irl.)
(DIR) Post #AVbQSJSsw9yXYZV8RU by KryptoBlok@bae.st
2023-05-13T05:38:40.502376Z
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@sue @MK2boogaloo @Dicer @sue It would also have to be a very different type of revolution - less "1776", more "early Church".