Post AVTef6OSgwX6sIkGv2 by cbt@snabelen.no
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(DIR) Post #AVSC614Z0U2vnPfcrg by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-08T18:45:19Z
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I disagree with the current CEO of Mastodon about his stance on mid-sized instances. We don't want to be run in isolation, we are part of the Fediverse. "Normal users just want the default", he can repeat that as many times as he wants, it doesn't make it true because of that.Diversity is the DNA of the Fediverse and Mastodon is just one part of the whole. Thousands of people spend their time and money to make it successful. Anyone who dismisses that and single-handedly tries to market the Fediverse as a Mastodon brand and use "crowding out" techniques to prevent users from even being encouraged to choose an instance from a diversity will ultimately fail.I am super disappointed with the direction Mastodon Corporation is taking. If there is not enough headwind here soon, then sooner or later it will lead to a schism.#Mastodon #MastoAdmin #fediverse
(DIR) Post #AVSCQeNwYMVXVtZf8q by tusooa@kazv.moe
2023-05-08T18:48:57.919183Z
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@louis use Pleroma instead.
(DIR) Post #AVSD55pFwuyGCadNGy by lispegistus@hachyderm.io
2023-05-08T18:56:20Z
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@louis schism should've happened in 2017
(DIR) Post #AVSDR0dBwXoYSiRQe0 by volkris@qoto.org
2023-05-08T19:00:19Z
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@louis I think it’s funny how the verbiage in the screenshot is barely intelligible, possibly because he was trying to get under a character limit, which just goes to show how stupid character limits are, and a good reason for people to use something other than #MastodonI don’t think he’s really taking a stance on mid-sized instances here, though. More a stance about what the average users wants.
(DIR) Post #AVSDnB2XvKVD7Es4vI by downey@floss.social
2023-05-08T19:04:17Z
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@louis He has no clue what he's talking about.
(DIR) Post #AVSECB6ioIpEZ2kIcq by null@puddle.town
2023-05-08T19:08:49Z
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@louis Where did he post this? Can't find it on his feed.
(DIR) Post #AVSF0Rramnn30kdjI8 by Distante@mastodon.social
2023-05-08T19:17:56Z
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@louis If a user registers on small servers that will disappear in a month, his experience will be ruined. Most small servers will disappear in six months due to lack of money or unwillingness of the administration to spend time on it.The user can always transfer his account to another server when he better understands how everything works
(DIR) Post #AVSF9GkPU43x8sUDXU by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-08T19:19:30Z
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@null https://discord.com/channels/231908446830723072/1061480803344855140/1084582629992579072
(DIR) Post #AVSFDjuazfnakgNlNA by nuz@cutie.city
2023-05-08T19:20:18Z
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@louis i boosted this even though you have "emacs" in your domain name. this is the kind of diversity and solidarity we need on the fediverse. :cat_giggle: 💜 /hj /lh
(DIR) Post #AVSGduABbM4U1tiOXo by foolishowl@social.coop
2023-05-08T19:36:15Z
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@louis You can't change the world if you are never willing to challenge people's preconceptions -- for instance, that bigger is better.The oddest thing to me about Gargron saying this is that it's pretty obvious that Mastodon instances work best when they're on a scale where they can form a coherent community and volunteer moderation teams can handle things.mastodon.social is much too big already.
(DIR) Post #AVSIiqvlFQ1PMNSGXo by Nocta@octodon.social
2023-05-08T19:59:34Z
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@louis He is so tiring with his "people just want a twitter 2" thing 🤦♀️
(DIR) Post #AVSJU0o4LZG5bGLPVY by amici@fribygda.no
2023-05-08T20:08:03Z
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@louis I fail to see how meaningful schisms can happen with an open standard. As long as people continue to implement ActivityPub, then any centralization efforts are doomed to be temporary.People are unfamiliar with Mastodon and don't understand ActivityPub, but that will gradually change I think, and people will start to get more aware, and then their tastes will not be satisfied with crowding out on one central square.
(DIR) Post #AVSMtTSnEpZBa0E36m by emanuele@m.divita.eu
2023-05-08T20:46:13Z
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@louis my humble (and possibly wrong) idea is that the onboarding procedure could randomize the server. This way the user could play with the slot-machine and select the handle he prefers from a bunch of "main" servers.Centralizing the onboarding to mastodon.social will lead to several issues on the long run.
(DIR) Post #AVSNl6q9ZCuR3Jj9e4 by creepy_owlet@mastodon.online
2023-05-08T20:55:58Z
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@louis It's not him discouraging the users from picking an instance. It's the fact that it's actually hard combined with the fact that most users don't care that much.Take me, a pretty technically advanced person who still ended up on the default instance after getting tired of choosing. And then a few friends simply went where I went.
(DIR) Post #AVSQt6Jlgzpbbz584W by davidgarywood@social.davidgarywood.com
2023-05-08T21:31:01Z
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@louis I am not convinced he knows what 'normal users' want.The idea that mid-sized instances are stuck in some sort of valley and the two valid choices are solo instances (like me) or giant instances like *.social, is incredibly lacking IMOI feel like a fork into a community led edition may be better for Mastodon in the longer run
(DIR) Post #AVSQxeSMhwGeeJGyci by creepy_owlet@mastodon.online
2023-05-08T20:58:26Z
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@dekkzz76 @louis just compare him with Hitler already, don't restraint yourself.There are good reasons to disagree with him, but what you're doing is gross.
(DIR) Post #AVSQxfBO0YHQtwKvnU by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-08T21:31:47Z
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@creepy_owlet Nobody is doing anything to him. The Fediverse is big enough to provide space for different opinions. I have a different opinion on this particual issue and a lot of other people have that too. Please leave Hitler out of this discussion.@dekkzz76
(DIR) Post #AVSTioWBJgmjNCfrt2 by EthanHolmes@mastodon.social
2023-05-08T22:02:50Z
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@louis top thing that makes me not care to try another server: fediverse navel gazing politics
(DIR) Post #AVSUEMDM5HwkrEuS6S by Jain@blob.cat
2023-05-08T22:08:32.799007Z
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@louis i agree :blobcatpain:
(DIR) Post #AVSVF9iU8X04L8Pmbo by DarylKiley@mastodon.social
2023-05-08T22:19:52Z
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@louis Repeating your opinion does not make it true either.
(DIR) Post #AVSVZmxFxXm7pKA8hc by dsbeans@social.dsbeans.com
2023-05-08T22:23:34Z
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@louis Honestly, if they find that people just want a default server, all that tells me is that they have done a very poor job in communicating one of the biggest strengths of the platform to new users - building collaborative feeds through your server community.
(DIR) Post #AVSW6cj90SF5f9DcNE by FediThing@tech.lgbt
2023-05-08T22:29:31Z
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@louis This statement, coupled with the changes to the official app which drive everyone onto mastodon.social, are very very worrying.
(DIR) Post #AVSWTk8tbPIxJzHuxk by rysiek@mstdn.social
2023-05-08T22:33:42Z
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@louis one wonders what makes fedi "something that isn't Twitter".Donno, maybe those community instances? :thinking_rotate:
(DIR) Post #AVSXk7sdDK1PWv3YLg by kc@social.coop
2023-05-08T22:47:52Z
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@louis I kind of agree with him there. Kind of.There is a need for a generic you go here, just click button servers to easily onboard new users who are looking for same social media experience the techbro platforms give.What I don't agree with is that it is mastodon.social or go figure it out yourself. At very minimum there should be a set of reliable moderately sized instances the app randomly offers up as that option with a similar starter experience for that kind of user
(DIR) Post #AVSY83OTXtfOZ8MQNM by crashglasshouses@tsukihi.me
2023-05-08T22:52:11Z
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@louis what is he even saying? i can barely make sense of it.
(DIR) Post #AVSdZ8AaOdNOy3avjc by jacqueline@chaos.social
2023-05-08T23:53:06Z
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@louis i love setting up a mastodon instance for my family, a use case that is definitely real and happens all the time
(DIR) Post #AVSeX9cE9LRKpK92vI by upstreamism@mas.town
2023-05-09T00:03:57Z
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@louis Part of what rubs me wrong about the opinion he expresses there is that it boils the situation down to a false binary: EITHER people want an isolated community OR they want a Viable Twitter Alternative. That elides the broader range of expectations and desires that people bring to the fediverse, and if that's the perception that guides his thinking when he makes development decisions, then Mastodon is bound to become stifling for people who want something more than just those two options.
(DIR) Post #AVSfbkwXPO49i0P4KW by FediThing@tech.lgbt
2023-05-08T23:36:22Z
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@rysiek @louis I am worried that he is edging towards preferring "centralised but not owned by Musk".Obviously hope I'm wrong but it feels like this is where his "logic" is leading him?It is the same kind of logic as saying "no one is interested in politics" and using that as justification for bypassing democratic processes.
(DIR) Post #AVSfbmOE1vo8CAMh7o by rysiek@mstdn.social
2023-05-08T23:39:23Z
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@FediThing @louis I see it more as "I'm tired of dealing with these small instance admins and their weird demands about moderation" 🙄
(DIR) Post #AVSfbmxJvRsdx0mipM by FediThing@tech.lgbt
2023-05-08T23:41:08Z
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@rysiek @louis Yeah, that's definitely another possibility :/
(DIR) Post #AVSfbnZbd6VNrkhIVE by FediThing@tech.lgbt
2023-05-08T23:44:51Z
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@rysiek @louis We really should not have the same people in charge of the biggest app, the biggest software and the biggest instance.It is just concentrating too much power, making the owners look down on the community. They are not being incentivised to collaborate any more.
(DIR) Post #AVSfboF58tgLwO6Q9Q by jjk@pol.social
2023-05-08T23:59:17Z
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@FediThing @rysiek @louis fortunately it's all open, so one can create a client with whatever defaults one desires... @Gargron opted for having a default and easier onboarding.
(DIR) Post #AVSfboxkSpPYAv05lw by rysiek@mstdn.social
2023-05-09T00:05:05Z
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@jjk it's not some app that decided to default to some instance, it's the official app of a project that gets identified with the whole fedi deciding to make default an instance that has 1/10th of all active accounts on fedi.And that's a problem. I wrote *why* this is a problem, with some history of a similar social network a decade ago that got badly hurt in similar circumstances:https://rys.io/en/168.html@FediThing @louis @Gargron
(DIR) Post #AVSfbpWUNfCTufFpvE by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-09T00:15:57Z
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@rysiek That is a good article, thanks for sharing!
(DIR) Post #AVSfvsXAtZJl2k8R3w by franktaber@mas.to
2023-05-09T00:19:38Z
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@louis Both can be true. This diversity of views is itself emblematic of the Fediverse where many perspectives can coexist within a single network of networks.Some users do want defaults. To deny this is to impose one's own perspectives on users. Some users want to not use defaults but choose for themselves. That is available as well. There are many alternative apps and web interfaces for Mastodon or the Fediverse that are better than the official Mastodon app itself and they will grow.
(DIR) Post #AVSmdcLN3FWXIQqyGm by KinkyKobolds@meow.social
2023-05-09T01:34:46Z
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@louis Many of the admins I know about are seriously considering moving to one of the forks of Mastodon before this increasingly absurd stance makes it impossible to exercise that choice.
(DIR) Post #AVT2npux2NhdYcOH0S by Andres@mastodon.hardcoredevs.com
2023-05-09T04:35:53Z
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@louis so he said that, and in general he thinks about making the onboarding to mastodon easier, like setting up the android app to default his instance and then closing the registrations due to a spam attack. How is that he doesn't see it...
(DIR) Post #AVTC7Q09JsGAoqqucC by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2023-05-09T06:20:15Z
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@louis Sadly, Eugen has allowed himself (and mastodon.social) to become a centre. Mastodon was already built on a Big Web stack, inheriting its scaling characteristics and inherent success criteria so the only hope was for social pressure to keep instances small. And that’s clearly not happening. Instead he’s going for vertical scale. And, sadly, Eugen’s going to discover the hard way (and very soon) that a German not-for-profit cannot compete with Silicon Valley on that.
(DIR) Post #AVTRVZd3qDYrFNhTGq by cbt@snabelen.no
2023-05-09T07:34:36Z
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@louis "the current CEO""Mastodon Corporation"okay... Mastodon is a non-profit and totally opensource with a license that let's anyone fork their work not stopping anyone from building their own project with smaller instances.This is just a warning that no one can really trust how you frame things.
(DIR) Post #AVTRkAZpGbhztQ9ANE by zabow@mastodon.bida.im
2023-05-09T08:53:50Z
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@louis it's quite clear that he wants to monetize the stuff at this point
(DIR) Post #AVTSCubXjLuokmehSC by kikobar@acc4e.com
2023-05-09T07:41:32Z
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@louis it is ok to disagree. That is the beauty of the #Fediverse and #OpenSource. Our opinions are just that, opinions in a myriad of other opinions.I agree with you though, that small and single user instances of any app connected to the Fedi are not isolated, totally the opposite, they are fully connected and fully empowered to drive and thrive as any other.If an open source project fails to listen to its community, it quickly forks, so I wouldn't be too worried. 🤷Full disclosure: I run a #Mastodon instance for my family and friends, and so far I am happy and not planning to go anywhere, but as soon as this turns sour I will jump to the next nice Fediverse project, for which there are many cool options. 😎
(DIR) Post #AVTSsOaPAFF5c3u6lM by Syphilia@todon.eu
2023-05-09T08:29:13Z
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@louis Wtf. My impression is that it's the medium sized instances, those between giant and single-user, that's the blood and the nerve system of the fediverse. All sizes count, but medium size instances are what makes the fediverse diverse.
(DIR) Post #AVTT1m9auTbvJRpum8 by yuliyan@nahe.social
2023-05-09T07:56:03Z
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@louis I think both are truths. I just don't believe getting people on a single instance is the only solution for people who just want a twitter alternative. From user perspective, 100%: Hop on, be there, follow others. From an ideological perspective it would make more sense to distribute users. Why not rotate the standard recommended server? Or split m.s into several servers with a central base policy but decentral administration similar to subreddits? I believe there is a nuance.
(DIR) Post #AVTTUkHqvhMtv9Vrzk by wiredfire@mas.to
2023-05-09T07:39:35Z
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@louis on the upside, all these different ideals can coexist so long as no-one gets all fedi-blocky about it. Not a great look for the proponent of a decentralised platform though, for sure
(DIR) Post #AVTUFLmZr1XRX36hTk by thisismissem@hachyderm.io
2023-05-09T08:11:45Z
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@louis honestly, I think it's a complex case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.The most major onboarding challenge is directing users to a first place of contact where they won't be harassed and moderation works for them, otherwise you get significant churn & the entire thing is labelled as "unsafe"But ultimately you don't want massive instance's and instead want small to medium size instances. I suspect an answer to this will come in a form of post migration.
(DIR) Post #AVTUizzDSLkucV9kMC by defrisselle@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-05-09T09:48:45Z
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@louis He wants Mastodon to be Twitter
(DIR) Post #AVTVhBocbYlogMtyyW by ncrav@mas.to
2023-05-09T08:04:45Z
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@louis we should doubt anyone that says it's the will of the people. I've found time and time again that treating users as incapable of understanding technology is insulting and creates zombie users. Although a trend in UX we ought to remember that even people with real cognitive disabilities can perform tasks more complex than using mastodon. Perhaps learning how to write a small intro tutorial (with diagrams and alt text) would be a better approach than being a prophet about what users want.
(DIR) Post #AVTWhHLK9awBmOnwp6 by controlfreak@hackers.town
2023-05-09T10:10:51Z
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@louis i feel a little bad homeboy has never experienced a joyful, useful local timelinealso, at this point I kinda want him to "sellout" and some buyer would have an islanded big instance no different than "Truth" that would get exponentially smaller daily making monetising a downward line graph. lolmasto is one of if not the clunkiest guts of a backend in the fedi so there isn't really much for sale other than an assemblage of unwitting onboards and people jumping up and down for twitter2 electric boogaloo, oh and a truckload of stale accounts.multiple viable forks if anyone really yearns for the clunk so if he wants to shoot himself in the guts and be anti fedi then all that does is prove he was just a load of bs all along
(DIR) Post #AVTXiCV7k1gN0SOMC0 by guarder@mastodon.social
2023-05-09T06:57:30Z
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@louis qed what he was saying
(DIR) Post #AVTYWrEOa7d1o9iqhM by andyc@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-05-09T10:31:23Z
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@louis I don't really understand this. I wasn't on Twitter but isn't it like a Twitter user discovering a group of folk discussing 'deep sea fishing' on Twitter. You're not interested in this topic so you don't follow them and they tend to form a small circle of 'deep sea fishing' enthusiasts.On Fedi, I am not forced to seek out a 'Fishing' instance to feel at home. I can't follow and participate from .SDF or any other instance.
(DIR) Post #AVTYk8hwunHTm8sZWa by andyc@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-05-09T10:33:47Z
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@louis I was much more perturbed by the statement'...clash with the expectations of a random person who just wants to use something that isn't Twitter'If that rationale is going to guide Mastodon's future direction and strategy, then that is very worrying.
(DIR) Post #AVTaeHMxzxsqoGOkHg by jeff@federated.fun
2023-05-09T10:55:07.182246Z
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@louis glad to see everyone not be afraid to say the things i've been pointing out for over 5 years.
(DIR) Post #AVTajowcavD0OAiYym by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-09T10:56:08Z
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@cbt Firstly, according to Eugen's LInkedin profile, he is the current CEO of Mastodon (see attachment). So I don't know how I would have in any way "framed" that.He is btw. the only CEO and there is no deputy or general manager other then him for the Mastodon gGmbH.Secondly, Mastodon gGmbH is a corporation with limited liability and a non-profit status, which means: no taxes. The non-profit status was assigned based on their statue. Eugen is the sole proprietor of this corporation. He can sell it, close it or do with what it whatever he wants - the only issue is that taxes have to paid in certain circumstances which is the default for every other company. The Mastodon gGmbH own the word trademark "Mastodon" and also the figurative trademark which is the official logo with the elephant on the left. The trademark policy clearly states that you are not allowed to use the trademark (i.e. the word "Mastodon") if you use any modified software which includes features not already included in the official Mastodon software. So I assumed that I framed everything correctly.
(DIR) Post #AVTb22FnqiNssbNK7c by Relected@shitposter.club
2023-05-09T10:59:28.974822Z
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@louis >CEO of Mastodonngmi
(DIR) Post #AVTbZpr8S03iH3xDfc by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-09T11:05:32Z
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@cbt @jynersolives Firstly, according to Eugen's LInkedin profile, he is the current CEO of Mastodon (see attachment). So I don't know how I would have in any way "framed" that. And I don't see what is wrong with that.https://www.linkedin.com/in/gargronHe is btw. the only CEO and there is no deputy or general manager other than him for the Mastodon gGmbH.Secondly, Mastodon gGmbH *is* a corporation with limited liability and a non-profit status, which means: no taxes. The non-profit status was assigned based on their statue. Eugen is the sole proprietor of this corporation. He can sell it, close it or do with it what whatever he wants - the only issue is that taxes have to paid in certain circumstances which is the default for every other company. The Mastodon gGmbH owns the word trademark "Mastodon" and also the figurative trademark which is the official logo with the elephant on the left. The trademark policy clearly states that you are not allowed to use the trademark (i.e. the word "Mastodon") if you use any modified software which includes features not already included in the official Mastodon software. So I assume that I framed everything correctly. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
(DIR) Post #AVTcoaG8oxBKCSFNDs by null@puddle.town
2023-05-08T19:42:34Z
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@volkris @louis @downey I don't think it's fair to play grammar police on one message pulled from Discord. That entire channel is full of half-baked, poorly formatted stream-of-consciousness messages from everyone trying to type as fast as possible before the conversation moves on. Having said that, I don't agree with Gargron either. But I understand where he's coming from. This thing is his baby, and it hasn't taken off in comparison to other services, and I think it's rational to examine why.
(DIR) Post #AVTcobWq6M8I8X4DtA by null@puddle.town
2023-05-08T19:43:51Z
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@volkris @louis @downey and I think we all have to agree: user onboarding has been a problem. Maybe not for us, specifically, but for a lot of people. At the very least, it's caused friction and confusion. We see that clearly in some of the news coverage of Mastodon. Once that narrative is out there, it's hard to overcome.
(DIR) Post #AVTcoc97o0l23GynZ2 by ArneBab@rollenspiel.social
2023-05-09T06:49:06Z
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@null that’s strange, because for me, this medium size instance I am on is the only service that really took off in a long time.Because "someone takes an informed decisions and others in the social circle follow" actually works.It’s how communities work.@volkris @louis @downey
(DIR) Post #AVTcodE7muLpP4KIzo by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-05-09T11:19:25.143545Z
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I’ve held the view for a long time that instances that are an outgrowth of extant communities are ideal, because they’re going to have their own ideas about how to run things coming out the gate, and they’re going to be coherent to those people if nobody else. The fediverse is truly an exercise in local governance online in this respect.
(DIR) Post #AVTd3PhCNVsXmUySUC by jynersolives@calckey.social
2023-05-09T11:12:21.339Z
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@louis@emacs.ch @cbt@snabelen.no How about calling him Eugen? The entire tone of your post was framing him as some corporate guy which he clearly isn't. And a gGmbH is not (sharholder) corporate but a non-profit limited liability company under German law.
(DIR) Post #AVTd3QTPUGRYC1WxdI by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-09T11:22:05Z
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@jynersolives I'm not sure if the whole Fediverse knows who "Eugen" is. If you criticize the tone of my post, I can live with that as long as the facts are correct.
(DIR) Post #AVTdDFaun1ItLej3Ng by FreePietje@x0f.org
2023-05-09T11:23:53Z
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@louis I find the prevalence of instances with 10k+ users already worrying in a *decentralized* (social) network.
(DIR) Post #AVTdWmP51wOMbdVCYy by cbt@snabelen.no
2023-05-09T11:27:23Z
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@louisEven engages with what framing is dishonestly."Oh I am just pointing out the facts in a certain bad light so people get an idea of augen and mastodon that isn't really honest to the character of him and the organization hoping to raise the community against them humpi dump dump <3"I'm not getting any nearer you than a 24 meter pole because this stench of rotten eggs is putrid 👎 @jynersolives
(DIR) Post #AVTdbcC0QCBkNxgzpo by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-09T11:28:16Z
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@jynersolives I think you confuse the words "company" and "corporation".A "company" is a general term with no real legal definition. It means "a group of people acting together for commercial purposes". A corporation as a term describes a legal entity with certain rights and responsibilities.I was referring to the legal entity, not to Mastodon as a one-person company. Maybe you are bothered by the term "corporation" because it represents a certain legal form in the US? Which is obviously not what I was referring to.
(DIR) Post #AVTe9rVvxmZvkYLO8u by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-09T11:34:27Z
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@cbt If I bothered you by pointing out that "Mastodon" is a trademark owned by a legal entity owned by a single person, then I'm truly sorry that you are bothered by reality.
(DIR) Post #AVTef6OSgwX6sIkGv2 by cbt@snabelen.no
2023-05-09T11:40:06Z
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@louis i have no problem with him trademarking mastodon. You can just fork the software and use different images and visual identity.Trademarking is important to uphold the identiy and brand of a opensource project.This is to defend the identity and brand against being apropriated by corporations, maybe nazis or criminals trying to scam people.Your mind is just so infused with poison that trademarking is a travasty and badically makes him big venture capitalist
(DIR) Post #AVTeoU7ZqGqD4TK0P2 by bocops@fosstodon.org
2023-05-09T11:41:48Z
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@louis I feel that this is misrepresenting the actual argument made by @Gargron.The actual argument being made seems not to be that "the Fediverse must not be diverse", but instead that there are many potential users for which choosing a mid-sized instance restricted to certain topics or languages would be detrimental or at least largely irrelevant.
(DIR) Post #AVTgjkOE81XpzHyhto by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-09T12:03:21Z
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@cbt I never used the words "venture capitalist" nor did I state anywhere that I have problems with him trademarking Mastodon. But it is a fact the Fediverse needs to be aware of when in the public perception Mastodon is increasingly equated with the Fediverse.And unlike your responses, I didn't attack or insult anyone and I'll keep it that way.
(DIR) Post #AVTgtyPYqrK8N1Tj04 by cbt@snabelen.no
2023-05-09T12:05:11Z
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@louis this is the most weasely you can be ever. Take responsebillity and make better effort in how you frame things and what you want to push. This just looks crooked. Jesus dude.
(DIR) Post #AVThOTG2jIJEj6ZKCW by UltrasonicMadness@mastodon.scot
2023-05-09T12:10:43Z
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@louis "Normal users just want the default" is something tech giants say before conveniently turning all the privacy settings off.
(DIR) Post #AVToXmn0BEmNaWNEwq by CoolBlenderKitten@mastodon.art
2023-05-09T13:30:44Z
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@louis I wholly agree! That diversity is what I love here.
(DIR) Post #AVTokfFHXVYfxJk5om by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2023-05-09T13:33:09Z
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@louis My opinion is increasingly that email servers in that valley between single-user/family and giant end up being good for whatever community wants to use them to be isolated amongst themselves, but really rather clash with the expectations of a random person who just wants to use something that isn't Gmail.
(DIR) Post #AVTox4NLvpwNN2Qtf6 by Adman@infosec.exchange
2023-05-09T13:35:24Z
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The onboarding process could use just some simple search attributes … I care about … and get a list of communities with those attributes. Sure many of us are into multiple things, so after that you should be able to discover other communities and attach them to your profile. This thing won’t work if the main leaders won’t give the mass population what they want/need.
(DIR) Post #AVTpDPl8CDrsK8Lgrg by adx@hachyderm.io
2023-05-09T13:38:21Z
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@louis @null The weirdest part is how much Mastodon cruft is actually on Discord not Mastodon. What a disaster.
(DIR) Post #AVTpldPtvLk0WmjhNg by mikka@medic.cafe
2023-05-09T13:44:32Z
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@louis Gargron wants "Twitter without Musk" and to be Musk. His rhetoric is spot on for a mid-90s Microsoft statement on the attempted air superiority of Outlook as "the" eMail tool, including both parties' clear approach to become less interoperable to present a "with us or alone" scenario.Yet between the Musk-like adolation of his starry eyed fanbase and the very real harm Mastodon and Gargron are doing to the Fediverse, he's much more Musk and 90s Microsoft than we give him credit for.
(DIR) Post #AVTqUqpgtGrdATMNEW by jaschop@det.social
2023-05-09T13:52:08Z
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@louisThe worst case scenario you can describe is... a schism. My dude, every possible technical and legal has been taken to make a schism as non-destructive as possible.Taking a step back, is Mastodon's attempt to become Twitter2 really... bad? Moving millions away from a private service controlled by a right-winger to a non-profit open-source service *is* good for society.Maybe visions of how to implement fedi are diverging here, but the fedi excels at spanning different implementations.
(DIR) Post #AVTqbXaSqMGnVQQZcG by movation@fnordon.de
2023-05-09T13:53:55Z
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@louis if I wanted a centralized experience I'd go to bro-world
(DIR) Post #AVTr89WTKqVuQa6w7M by ocdtrekkie@mastodon.social
2023-05-08T22:55:14Z
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@davidgarywood @louis There are multiple community forks and many well-known servers run them. Everyone still interoperates just fine.
(DIR) Post #AVTr8AVRg9HpTgdd9k by stanford@social.arclight.pro
2023-05-09T13:59:45Z
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@ocdtrekkie Would you please educate us?The only fork I am aware of is glitch-soc, which itself isn't really a community fork if you think about how much the actual Mastodon devs are involved in there.
(DIR) Post #AVTv7BODJCPHkE2bdg by RL_Dane@fosstodon.org
2023-05-09T14:44:28Z
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@louisIt's rather concerning that he's concentrating so much on being a Twitter alternative, rather than a really good platform for meaningful social interaction. @jens #mastodon #mastoadmin #fediverse
(DIR) Post #AVTy1qIqa2YIlCfyrY by jynersolives@calckey.social
2023-05-09T15:04:19.286Z
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@louis@emacs.ch Unternehmen (Company) ist die deutsche Übersetzung von Corporate. Corporate itself is no legal form but a very Anglo-oriented term that focuses on the legal personhood of a company that is constitute by two sets of contracts: corporate contracts between the legal person and the owners, employment contracts between the legal person and its employees. This legalist perspective of a company (as corporate) places all emphasis on the corporate contracts i.e. the relations to the owners. In the German legal tradition (continental, actually), the perspective is broader, it is more Unternehmen as an Enterprise of many different people contributing to its well-being and value-creation.Anyway, the use of "Corporate" on a predominantly English-speaking platform, without any other context, is not innocent but frames everything that follows in a certain light: shareholder capitalism, profit-orientation, disregard of all interests expect the owners'.This message was brought to you by a practicing management scholar 😉
(DIR) Post #AVTy1r1rseZ50pjw2K by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-09T15:17:04Z
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@jynersolives I still agree with my choice of words, even though it may have a slight connotation for a sensitive English speaker.Sometimes it is important to get the reader's attention in order to draw attention to issues. Indeed, in this debate, "non-profit" is often confused with community-oriented.A German gGmbH is tax-exempt because it voluntarily submits to certain restrictions and serves a common good purpose. However, it says nothing about how decision-making processes must work or who ultimately has full decision-making power (contrary to a foundation). However, I am not a lawyer for corporate law.I really appreciate your input though!Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
(DIR) Post #AVTyFueHDhoyIBPPKS by samiseppo@masto.ai
2023-05-09T15:19:38Z
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@louis For other than geeks even slightly more complex choices and online concepts tend to cause frustation and headache. The less major decisions are introduced to a rookie, the better. They impatiently want to find a comfortish zone, to set up their profile and see some instant "action" and content in practise. After some time also *non-geek *but advanced users may then also seek for further adjustments and options, which is default approach for geekier users.#Mastodon #Calckey #fediverse
(DIR) Post #AVTyaoq80pMUMEvAjQ by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-09T15:23:27Z
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@jynersolives I still agree with my choice of words, even though it may have a slight connotation for a sensitive English speaker.Sometimes it is important to get the reader's attention in order to draw attention to issues. Indeed, in this debate, "non-profit" is often confused with community-oriented.A German gGmbH is tax-exempt because it voluntarily submits to certain restrictions and serves a common good purpose. However, it says nothing about how decision-making processes must work or who ultimately has full decision-making power (contrary to a foundation). However, I am not a lawyer for corporate law.I really appreciate your input though!
(DIR) Post #AVU0WwDKqvnnyk3MJ6 by volkris@qoto.org
2023-05-09T15:39:41Z
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@NEETzsche and @ArneBab sure, but I wonder how many users are in that position, with such established communities to follow.Twitter-type users have always struck me as particularly lacking in community. From the way they talk, the whole world is their community… which is to say, they have no community :)And I see SO MANY people here echoing the same perspective, referring to the whole Fediverse as their community.Yeah, instances reflecting communities sounds like a nice ideal to me, but I don’t think that experience is the norm among users.@louis @downey @null
(DIR) Post #AVU0WxXvtpsA6uhK3E by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-05-09T15:45:10.119721Z
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Those people should either join one of those megainstances like maston.social or poa.st or whatever, or start a single user instance.
(DIR) Post #AVU6wiaQk20My4X2FU by JPK_elmediat@mastodon.art
2023-05-09T16:57:01Z
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@louis The large scale generalist server ends up being dominated by specific topics, and as a consequence, a topic centric community. The difference is certain topics rise to the surface, currently they are often American politics oriented. In return, this results in some voices getting drowned out, even good moderation can not alter that. Some of those voices will leave - choose a different community server, a different part of the Fediverse, or just exit for other social media.
(DIR) Post #AVU73TbepswuXDKQpk by ahriboy@mk.absturztau.be
2023-05-09T06:23:48.576Z
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@tusooa@kazv.moe @louis@emacs.ch the devs of Pleroma have uneasy alliance with "free speech" people. Pick an Akkoma instance instead.
(DIR) Post #AVU73UBofRsALMFJC4 by grillchen@brotka.st
2023-05-09T06:47:45.352612Z
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@ahriboy @tusooa @louis while i like akkoma i think the "general" pleroma dev criticism is outdated. there was a shitton of drama at the beginning of 2022 resulting a certain alex gleason being removed from the pleroma dev team (imo it should have happened sooner).but the pleroma team is pretty diverse regarding political views
(DIR) Post #AVU73UpsGVuoLazIdE by tusooa@kazv.moe
2023-05-09T16:58:09.677498Z
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@grillchen @louis @ahriboy that person definitely hasn't realized im a pleroma maintainer and my instance has zero tolerance to discrimination.
(DIR) Post #AVU8tJt4JgcHP5kzrs by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-05-09T17:18:48Z
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@null> This thing is his babyMastodon is his baby. The fediverse existed before Mastodon and would continue to exist if John Mastodon walked away tomorrow and project folded. > it hasn't taken off in comparison to other servicesOf course not, his project isn't based on domesticating users to be milked for profit, and he didn't take startup growth hormone (VC money). Mastodon's been doing pretty well these last few months though. @volkris @louis @downey
(DIR) Post #AVU9pujRUEa6TIC6ka by volkris@qoto.org
2023-05-09T17:29:20Z
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@strypeyYou’re basically making excuses at that point, trying to spin away the point, which is that it hasn’t taken off.That the guy didn’t acquire the resources to make his platform more successful starts with the recognition that the platform has not been so successful.
(DIR) Post #AVUBpptLgMbrMsv0MK by duponin@udongein.xyz
2023-05-09T17:51:38.462695Z
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@ahriboy @tusooa @louis nowadays there are more free speech instances using Akkoma than Pleroma
(DIR) Post #AVUCLuHWtbBeFZWO3M by hj@shigusegubu.club
2023-05-09T17:57:16.307980Z
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@duponin @louis @tusooa @ahriboy also pleroma devs don't really have an alliance with either sides, it's just that when trying to stay neutral everyone sees you as enemy and/or ally of their enemies.
(DIR) Post #AVUCZOEaqNZguYZqXg by duponin@udongein.xyz
2023-05-09T17:59:48.752724Z
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@hj @louis @tusooa @ahriboy Pleroma devs are basically the Swiss of Fediverse: neutral while we are speaking business(wat? :wat:)
(DIR) Post #AVUCdn6YJoM3CfumPY by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-05-09T18:00:52.315336Z
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@cbt @louis yikes!
(DIR) Post #AVUCe1jLwLi4Z4Axpg by hj@shigusegubu.club
2023-05-09T18:00:35.761599Z
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@duponin @louis @tusooa @ahriboy more like finland :flag:
(DIR) Post #AVUDViOu1YNwFfD8dc by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-05-09T18:10:29Z
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@volkris> That the guy didn’t acquire the resources to make his platform more successfulIf sacrificing virgins would have made Mastodon more successful, should he have acquired those resources?> the platform has not been so successfulThat depends on entirely on your definition of success.
(DIR) Post #AVUEXkMhn5X2sUiRO4 by volkris@qoto.org
2023-05-09T18:21:47Z
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@strypeyShould he sacrifice for his baby?Well, that’s really up to him.But in the end it’s worth owning that choice.
(DIR) Post #AVUxBcl1tJSYqjv0Sm by billday@williamsonday.buzz
2023-05-10T02:42:22Z
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@louis A “random person who just wants to use something that is not Twitter” will neither have sufficient interest nor want to invest sufficient effort to join Mastodon. The platform does in some ways self-select. Maybe that is a feature not a bug.
(DIR) Post #AVVYxsToR4s1ocjnDU by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-10T09:45:36Z
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@jeroen That "Pick my own server" is clearly and intentionally misleading and dark UI pattern. A new user will _never_ tap that button, because they obviously do not have "their own server".This is an intentional trap to lure users into the "Join mastodon.social" option. The correct choice would be:"Choose a server" or less technically "Pick a home community" or something like that.
(DIR) Post #AVVZUgB1CQP7DLaVJQ by stefflat@tech.lgbt
2023-05-10T09:51:38Z
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@louis @jeroen they really suck ... dark pattern 101 and the stupid mass falls for it
(DIR) Post #AVWktb0cqJqJ53lop6 by jon@henshaw.social
2023-05-10T23:34:05Z
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@louis "...clash with the expectations of a random person who just wants to use something that isn't Twitter."What he said sounds reasonable to me. People are either like me, and are geeky and want their own single-user/family instance or they want to immediately engage in a large and active community. The latter group will likely experience a bad first impression if they join a Mastodon server that's too small.Improving the federated timeline would certainly improve the experience though.
(DIR) Post #AVWyZw32JGzJtkPvNI by strong_sue@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-05-11T02:07:25Z
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@louis I was invited and not understanding I just had to click her invite, I joined on the web, making sure I chose that server. I had the advantage of stating what kind of community, rules first. There is a diversity of servers to suit one’s interests. The official Mastodon app is a bit limited in iOS. I have downloaded a few others, like Ivory the best, editing and translation features I like. Metatext is good too.
(DIR) Post #AVXZXziLP8WUzffzeq by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-11T09:01:39Z
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@strong_sue I considered Metatext the best overall iOS app but unfortunately it is no longer maintained since 2021 and was just recently removed from the official client list on joinmastodon.org 😬
(DIR) Post #AVXo21s3LjBNjCQvpo by recluse@dice.camp
2023-05-11T11:43:57Z
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@louis Massive instances dominating the Fediverse is the opposite of what he should be promoting. Gargron really shouldn't be the voice of Mastodon, he's approaching Musk/Dorsey territory with his ridiculousness. We don't need or want a CEO.
(DIR) Post #AVXpslkw5uVJ3DohPc by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-11T12:04:35Z
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@kichae @rysiek @FediThing @christo In fact he stated that multiple times and some of his followers too.
(DIR) Post #AVXqfYY5zEdQHO4esC by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-11T12:13:30Z
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@kichae @rysiek @FediThing @christo That is very well said. Even his legal entity, the non-profit company, is a means to deceive people into thinking that he serves for the broader community. I've analyzed that and this legal entity is solely to avoid paying taxes. He is very much 100% in control of everything and in fact the only owner and person with signature authorization. No board. He owns everything including the word "Mastodon" and the Mastodon logo (which btw. you are not allowed to use anymore if you use a non-sanctioned version of a Mastodon software, like we do since yesterday).I don't say that I he has no right to make money with Mastodon. Quite the opposite! I would appreciate if his company would focus on offering services like hosting and operating Mastodon servers or consulting for companies that want to find a place in the Fediverse. He could make a shitload of money and still serve the philosophy of the fediverse.Instead he tries to be full Musk incl. micro-managing every single commit.Not good.
(DIR) Post #AVXr2ROElmtUjjNK0u by rysiek@mstdn.social
2023-05-11T12:17:36Z
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@louis ehhh we seem to be having a Founder's syndrome on our hands:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founder%27s_syndrome@kichae @FediThing @christo
(DIR) Post #AVXuQ3BqhAyqUjWw08 by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-11T12:55:26Z
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@jeroen No, I don't do PRs on the Mastodon repo just to be ignored, dismissed or ridiculed by him or his followers. They [the Mastodon devs] should learn to properly communicate upfront and involve the Mastodon community, namely instance operators who want to provide feedback, before they release big changes.
(DIR) Post #AVYMwGB0kEwYkrHkW0 by strong_sue@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-05-11T18:15:04Z
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@louis That’s unfortunate. One thing we can agree on is the default Mastodon app is the worst. I don’t recommend people signing up through it if the option to choose a server isn’t there. I like options why I recommend joining here.https://joinmastodon.org/servers
(DIR) Post #AVbzK2QXtbbOnICFuK by Mr_Teatime@social.tchncs.de
2023-05-13T12:09:18Z
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@louisDoes he bring any argument to support that view?The last time I saw someone post something like this, it was from a recent Twitter emigrant, and I did not manage to figure out why they thought that.To me, it makes no sense whatsoever -- why would a mid-sized instance become isolated quicker, and why would people there prefer to be isolated? Wasn't the whole deal with federstion that we don't *want* dominating players?
(DIR) Post #AVcaoukcBOJGGeAb7A by IceWolf@masto.brightfur.net
2023-05-13T19:09:28Z
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@louis We've been on a mid-sized instance, it was great.They wind up as hubs, connected with other instances of all sizes. Take Furry Fedi for exanple. We're more than any given instance. There are localized communities on any given instance, but there's ALSO wider communities across instances, and /both/ are important.Not isolated at all.The dream is here ALREADY and Gargron is actively trying to crush it.
(DIR) Post #AVczOYIXXLtdxLZ3WS by louis@evil.social
2023-05-13T22:24:20.112Z
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@louis@emacs.ch Don't worry too much. The Fediverse is much bigger than that. Why not move over to #Calckey?
(DIR) Post #AVczOZ3KjNKKITSQSW by dekkzz76@emacs.ch
2023-05-13T23:28:05Z
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@louis@evil.social @louis interesting suggestion ? is the server software available to move the emacs.ch over
(DIR) Post #AVczOZjADqmsOD1pey by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-13T23:44:48Z
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@dekkzz76 @louis@evil.social I have not tried any Misskey/Calckey based server software. I think we need to ask @atomicpoet if that is possible?
(DIR) Post #AVd0IzLMAaC63KnDCC by atomicpoet@calckey.social
2023-05-13T23:53:17.945Z
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@louis@emacs.ch @dekkzz76@emacs.ch @louis@evil.social *keys apps are built on an entirely different codebase from Mastodon, so this is not a matter of swapping Mastodon and Calckey out. However, Calckey allows users to not only migrate to Calckey, but also import their posts. What I’ve seen a few admins do is start up their own Calckey servers, allowing their users to import their accounts over. As for bulk porting of users, I don’t know if that’s possible. Probably not. But it’s worth having a conversation over here:https://codeberg.org/calckey/calckey/issues
(DIR) Post #AVd0J01Bf3ee94McOe by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-13T23:55:01Z
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@atomicpoet @dekkzz76 @louis@evil.social First it is Eugen who wants our users to be stuck on mastodon.social, now it is Chris who wants our users to migrate to a Calckey server.Life is hard. 😃
(DIR) Post #AVd13mSPtiZ5hJPJSa by christo@dice.camp
2023-05-13T23:58:38Z
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@atomicpoet @dekkzz76 @louis@emacs.ch @louis@evil.social I was just asking on another post if it was possible to migrate from one Calckey instance to another. Are you saying if I move from Mastodon to Calckey, I can import my posts from Mastodon as well as who I follow? I don't suppose you can also import your followers during the migration? Is this written up somewhere that I've missed?
(DIR) Post #AVd13nOuOFLwcim1dA by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-14T00:03:28Z
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@christo @atomicpoet @dekkzz76 @louis@evil.social Don't do anything you might regret later! 🤣
(DIR) Post #AVd2NUXuIl5LtMwEM4 by christo@dice.camp
2023-05-14T00:18:15Z
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@louis@emacs.ch @atomicpoet @dekkzz76 @louis@evil.social You're not insinuating that you'd stop talking to me if I migrate, are you? 😜
(DIR) Post #AVd2gtS9vAHyduV7ui by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-14T00:21:45Z
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@christo @atomicpoet @dekkzz76 @louis@evil.social No, I believe in the Fediverse. New platforms only make it stronger and help to innovate. Which is important, especially during times forces try to centralize.What is most important is decentralization and user freedom. That is all that counts.If I am the last one on emacs.ch, I will still be proud that I had the honor to contribute something to the Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #AVeVRoemYzF1FgWoFM by atomicpoet@calckey.social
2023-05-14T00:07:28.952Z
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@christo@dice.camp @dekkzz76@emacs.ch @louis@emacs.ch @louis@evil.social When you migrate from #Mastodon to #Calckey, you are in fact importing your Mastodon followers in the process. First you have to configure this on Mastodon:https://docs.joinmastodon.org/user/moving/#migrationThen you go to Settings > Migration to finish it up, and your followers will come with you. As for your posts, that’s a different matter. You need to download your Mastodon posts, then upload them to your Calckey account.
(DIR) Post #AVeVRpZ9BQKO4Utp6O by ronkjeffries@calckey.social
2023-05-14T16:24:35.483Z
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@atomicpoet @christo@dice.camp @dekkzz76@emacs.ch @louis@emacs.ch @louis@evil.social I think a different approach deserves consideration: do NO migrate, just start a new CalcKey account and gradually add people to follow, A fresh sheet of paper can be useful
(DIR) Post #AVeVRqAiviNxx2Tpfk by dekkzz76@emacs.ch
2023-05-14T17:09:49Z
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@ronkjeffries @atomicpoet @louis @christo @louis@evil.social the original question was about changing the server software not migration to another domin
(DIR) Post #AVeVRqnMc3IHssYgts by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-14T17:18:39Z
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@dekkzz76 Chris is trying really hard to move people to Calckey. I don't know him personally but he is very passionate about it given his personal involvement in the project.Officially migrating a server from Mastodon to Calckey is not possible. I don't even think that many users here would appreciate Calckey that much. Also the client API is different so mastodon.el will likely not work at all. Ivory on iOS is crashing.While it has some momentum, I find the UI confusing and since the software is still in early stages, it has a many bugs. I tested it today on a local server for an hour or so and had to reload the browser tag multiple times because the UI got stuck. Also the backend of the official calckey.social server went down several time in the last few days.So I guess we have to wait and see how it develops. I'm sure there will be a script sooner or later that will migrate a Mastodon database to Calckey. Give how people feel about Mastodon at the moment, I guess it will be rather sooner than later.
(DIR) Post #AVeWyM5htIHYARCZQO by dekkzz76@emacs.ch
2023-05-14T17:26:08Z
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@louis i wasn't thinking calkey but one of the pleroma forks, then we just mass migrate across once server is set up
(DIR) Post #AVeWyNKzFy6C27MHse by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-14T17:35:44Z
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@dekkzz76 I'm actively looking for alternatives. So if you have a good recommendation, let me know.
(DIR) Post #AVejcGmkEhAMkF8D9k by dekkzz76@emacs.ch
2023-05-14T17:37:27Z
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@louis the pleroma family run on elixir as you know so the plumbing is better, doesn't do much about the spam though
(DIR) Post #AVejcHMY5Zo2XHsnxo by daviwil@fosstodon.org
2023-05-14T17:51:00Z
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@dekkzz76 @louis Pleroma has kind of a bad reputation from what I understand. Questionable userbase. The technology side sounds good, though
(DIR) Post #AVejcI35XPpkfDmmGm by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-14T19:57:25Z
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@daviwil @dekkzz76 There is #gotosocial written in Goland and fully Mastodon API compatible.I'll have to dig deeper into that project.
(DIR) Post #AVerq1UQhSeazidLyy by unfinishedsymphony@hostux.social
2023-05-14T21:29:34Z
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@louis gargron's post is unintentionally hilarious: it is his server that is isolated -- here is an announcement from the server I am on:'AnnouncementDue to an ongoing spam wave from the mastodon.social instance, it is now filtered on hostux.social.The accounts of this instance that you do not follow are no longer visible.'
(DIR) Post #AVfFy1aScV5qVqnqaW by daviwil@fosstodon.org
2023-05-15T01:59:55Z
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@louis @dekkzz76 I was just looking at their site today. Did you happen to find a demo instance? I didn't see one linked from the site
(DIR) Post #AVflrege2xXUHhhbg8 by dekkzz76@emacs.ch
2023-05-15T02:12:22Z
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@daviwil @louis https://gotosocial.fediverse.observer/list
(DIR) Post #AVflrfPfLZYGXKlYqu by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-15T07:57:20Z
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@dekkzz76 Great site, thanks for sharing!
(DIR) Post #AVk7bxm2QnYznD6YNc by dataKnightmare@octodon.social
2023-05-17T10:19:52Z
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@louis@informapirataApparently even the writer of Mastodon does not understand what the fediverse is about#mastodon #mastoadmin #fediverse
(DIR) Post #AVk8h0hV4owyGvx7wW by raccoon@stereophonic.space
2023-05-17T10:31:53.723040Z
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@dataKnightmare Uno dei motivi che mi fa preferire altre cose. Magari è una mia impressione ma sembra che una buona fetta degli utenti mastodontici condivida lo stesso problema.@louis @informapirata
(DIR) Post #AVlFCOGmI8PFEKlAlk by bennysp@fosstodon.org
2023-05-17T23:19:37Z
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@louis I mean, who cares? Isn’t this all about choice for those that want it? We still get to choose and be on other servers. For those that want to use a better platform but are discouraged by the tech side, well they get to win too. I am not saying bigger is better, but I am saying that I don’t have to care when there are options in the fediverse. I welcome folks that come on board that are not technical and if this solves one hurdle for them, then big whoop.
(DIR) Post #AVm7aJiCHeXRZMRWfg by louis@emacs.ch
2023-05-18T09:29:00Z
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@bennysp Fair enough. I just can't stand the thought that as an operator I contributed to a hidden agenda of monopolizing and commercializing the Fediverse by running a Mastodon™️-branded instance. Not saying that there is one but there are indicators.But it could also be just very bad communication from Eugen himself. He can rarely be seen in any kind of discussion around this issue. Time will tell.
(DIR) Post #AXQ1a6WzPbfgbyUR5k by jimmygnarly@mastodon.online
2023-07-06T13:21:55Z
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@louis how about dot online?
(DIR) Post #AXQ7pOan8sDshEwWie by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2023-05-09T06:27:00Z
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@louis Mastodon.social will be dethroned as the largest instance within roughly a year (and almost overnight) by Tumblr or Mozilla or some other Silicon Valley entrant. At that point Eugen will have zero recourse but to accept it because he’s already made giant instances socially acceptable. In time, he’ll likely be brought into the fold as Tim Berners-Lee was by the Big Web and maybe eventually launch an initiative to Reclaim the Fediverse. It’s not like we haven’t seen this before.
(DIR) Post #AXQ7pPGyc1y0o4gDTM by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2023-05-09T06:38:10Z
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@louis The most strategic thing Eugen could have done would’ve been to keep mastodon.social small and make it socially unacceptable for instances to grow beyond a certain size. That would’ve been a poison pill against the infinite growth death cult of Silicon Valley. Maybe not a permanent one but it could have delayed things a little. Instead we’re welcoming them with open arms and equating their interest with success. Like sheep flattered by the gazes of wolves.
(DIR) Post #AXQ7pQU86c5AZ9qEc4 by thinkMoult@mastodon.social
2023-07-06T13:52:04Z
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@aral @louis what if there was a pledge of mastodon instances to only grow to a maximum of 150 users (or 1k, whatever) and anybody who is part of the pledge must defederate with any instance larger than this? "The small federation pledge" :)
(DIR) Post #AXQ7pRLIuucJE4ihUm by louis@emacs.ch
2023-07-06T14:32:11Z
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@thinkMoult @aral Pledges are worthless. The Fediverse is a collection of protocols and software. Anyone can do what they want, there is no authority to tell you what to do (except for the licenses bound to the software).Running an instance costs money and time. Someone is spending their money and time to do it. They decide. Very close to real life.
(DIR) Post #AXQ7pSExZz8W0gl9FI by thinkMoult@mastodon.social
2023-07-06T13:53:50Z
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@aral @louis and joining the federation would involve choosing one of these instances for "normal users" by reading a short blurb (the same size as a toot), seeing an optional image, then a selection of trending toots from that instance so they get a feel of "is this for me".
(DIR) Post #AXQ8qgOOXzsY97K2BU by louis@emacs.ch
2023-07-06T14:43:40Z
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@dudenas @aral You should come to emacs.ch, we provide a somewhat democratic version of a Mastodon instance insofar that we often discuss about features and topics like Threads, sometimes vote.On the other hand, you can always run your own instance and have full control of everything. But that costs money and time.
(DIR) Post #AYaIDkdbirlBqTaHx2 by glitzersachen@hachyderm.io
2023-08-10T10:07:56Z
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@louis Ah, yes. The expectations of Joe Random User. Always worth a try if one wants to shill an agenda.Frankly, that you need a differentiated user model (personae) and that "the user" is a fata morgana, has been common software engineering knowledge since decades (see Cooper on interaction design). Now arguing like he does here in public is either a embarrassingly bad argument or evidence of bad faith (he wants to bullshit us, but actually knows better)