Post AVSLFEvJmIrQwnoozo by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
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(DIR) Post #AVM8ER6KYHVi4cUr32 by rodhilton@mastodon.social
2023-05-05T20:29:04Z
17 likes, 27 repeats
The constant-threats-to-defederate thing is going to kill this place, seriously.Defederating an instance is an extreme measure and it should only be taken in extreme circumstances.Finding out I might stop getting posts from people I explicitly follow because they happen to be on an instance being defederated by mine all because a bunch of admins I don't know got in a spat over a user I don't follow is just about the most annoying value proposition imaginable.https://federate.social/@mattblaze/110317006852580015
(DIR) Post #AVNsLdX1WXvBhdJV7Q by r000t@ligma.pro
2023-05-06T16:45:01Z
6 likes, 0 repeats
@rodhilton You won't see this message, because you've decided to use the "flagship" instance, which participates in #fediblock drama, and is a large incentive for people to continue it.
(DIR) Post #AVNsudbJG6j43K0Z4S by p@freespeechextremist.com
2023-05-06T16:51:34.802292Z
13 likes, 5 repeats
@rodhilton I agree, but you can't see this because FSE got defederated by mastodon.social due to their complaints about someone I banned when I got back to my desk. I wouldn't have seen this post if @icedquinn hadn't pointed it out.
(DIR) Post #AVNswUgFOa0SxwCdEW by 11112011@freespeechextremist.com
2023-05-06T16:51:54.931242Z
1 likes, 0 repeats
@rodhilton cheers my dude
(DIR) Post #AVNt7YqaFBsr4eJZaK by 11112011@freespeechextremist.com
2023-05-06T16:53:54.938562Z
1 likes, 0 repeats
@p @rodhilton @icedquinn unless someone has a stux acc and points this out
(DIR) Post #AVNu4uOTmFziz9T5gu by japananon@mitra.anon-kenkai.com
2023-05-06T17:04:04.356458Z
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@rodhilton Should probably roll your own server, or get together with a few friends who can. You'd be better off that way than letting Gagron call the shots for you.
(DIR) Post #AVNu6y552WX503NPE0 by rodhilton@mastodon.social
2023-05-05T20:32:23Z
2 likes, 6 repeats
"ActivityPub is just like e-mail" well guess what, gmail silently dropping e-mails sent from another e-mail server because the admins disagree is the worst thing about it.The notion of even trying to deal with it as a user is utterly absurd. I'm supposed to find an instance that DOESN'T defederate? That's posted on a server-by-server basis, there's no tool that's like "here's everyone I follow, find me an instance where I can continue following them all"What a stupid thing.
(DIR) Post #AVNu6yfwpS1UqOcqgq by ThatWouldBeTelling@shitposter.club
2023-05-06T17:05:00.286937Z
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@rodhilton Not that as far as I know you’re going to see this, since the instance I use is “limited” by mastodon.social which as far as I can tell from the documentation means you’ll only see me if you follow me or other actions you have to explicitly take, but when you got an account on that server, you also decided which fraction of the Fediverse you’d be federated with.The US/West is in the middle of a cold but getting hotter civil war, and there’s no way entities like the Fediverse are going to be able to escape that. Here pointing out architectural and maybe implementation issues is “white supremacy” (but also in my long career in this field I’ve personally witnessed it being Han Chinese, Negro, Hindu, Hispanic, Jewish, and Jain supremacy going in population order…).We’re trapped in a system that’s in a holiness spiral: just like it’s dangerous to be the first person to stop clapping for Stalin, it’s dangerous not to denounce an every increasing set of things. And worse, “Twitter is LinkedIn for people looking to lose their jobs.” and the Fediverse is also a microblogging platform like Twitter.Thus I recommend If you used your own name in creating this account, Delete F*ing Everything (DFE, although it’s a bit late) and start up a new one somewhere else (avoids matching IP addresses), two if you want to follow both sides. And practice rigorous OPSEC, like go so far as to never mention the weather outside.
(DIR) Post #AVNu6zdrEhwfqCeh4S by rodhilton@mastodon.social
2023-05-05T20:39:19Z
1 likes, 2 repeats
I'm over here on the "default" big instance and I'm still affected by this shit. I personally think brands.town is funny and would like to follow accounts there, but it's defederated.I personally would like to follow a handful of twitter accounts over here, but all birdsitelive instances are blocked for being "impersonation spam"As a user who just wants to use a social network without getting into the internal drama between instances, this is super fucking annoying.
(DIR) Post #AVNu70QQK8nGGpNTlo by rodhilton@mastodon.social
2023-05-05T20:42:27Z
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And for the record @mattblaze is right, everything about DMs within Mastodon is so misleading as to be considered broken, I wish I could just disable the feature entirely.
(DIR) Post #AVNu70UK5dueSvCaqe by rodhilton@mastodon.social
2023-05-06T16:59:28Z
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I'm getting a lot of replies saying people will just move instances.I don't think people understand how little patience people have for moving to another instance knowing the admins there may also get in a spat and do the same thing. That's when people realize a culture of defederation threats in an instrisic problem to the system, not a specific one on their server. And then they'll just go elsewhere.And to all the "good riddance then" folks I don't think you get the value is the people.
(DIR) Post #AVNu78MonQfAtxkiGG by slash@cdrom.tokyo
2023-05-06T17:04:56.106524Z
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@p @icedquinn @rodhiltonwell guess what, I don’t recall a single instance of gmail silently dropping e-mails sent from another e-mail server because the admins disagree.Gmail actually has a reputation for doing this and it’s often not even over personal reasons, just misidentification of a mail service or domain name as spam and no obvious means to appeal. Sometimes it even appears as if it’s a business decision (when it’s done to other mail servicers) to coerce users back into the main mail providers.
(DIR) Post #AVNuOh9ghwDziaz6UC by ThatWouldBeTelling@shitposter.club
2023-05-06T17:08:12.515969Z
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@flisk @rodhilton Not everyone has the skills, or wants to acquire them, or if they have them, wants to and/or can afford the time and hassle to run an instance. Managing all this is expensive, whether you do it or pay someone “$50 USD” minus 3,92 Euros a month.
(DIR) Post #AVNvROu97TeXwCZLGa by rodhilton@mastodon.social
2023-05-06T17:18:35Z
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@slash @icedquinn@blob.cat @p@freespeechextremist.com yep that's why I updated it to remove the text you quoted from a previous version of it
(DIR) Post #AVNw6bmM9qYfjvZhLc by RyokoPilled@freespeechextremist.com
2023-05-06T17:27:21.509953Z
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@rodhilton the entire concept of admins being able to defed instances or accounts without users being allowed to consent to defeds was a massive fucking mistakeyou can't even see this lol
(DIR) Post #AVNxvf7daTCqpcRA6y by feld@bikeshed.party
2023-05-06T17:46:49.968507Z
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> That's posted on a server-by-server basis, there's no tool that's like "here's everyone I follow, find me an instance where I can continue following them all"There used to be a tool someone made collecting this info so the Fediverse connectivity can be mapped out, so it (was) possible to do
(DIR) Post #AVNyuzXIIsoLoBgKx6 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2023-05-06T17:58:52.447996Z
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@11112011 @icedquinn @rodhilton Ha, you probably remember MADMIKE. FSE's first ban.
(DIR) Post #AVNzdANPMNMwAh7cJM by p@freespeechextremist.com
2023-05-06T18:06:51.461344Z
8 likes, 1 repeats
@slash @icedquinn @rodhilton Since I run my own mail servers, I've seen this a lot. GMail is the worst: even Microsoft returns a complaint instead of silently discarding it.
(DIR) Post #AVO09bHarIcQt0rrwe by Ciantic@twit.social
2023-05-06T17:07:49Z
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@eisfunke @rodhilton qoto.org doesn't defederate:"We do not silence or block other Fediverse instances based on agenda, politics, or opinions held by their staff or users.""Offending servers will only be silenced, not blocked, blocks will be reserved for technical assaults only such as DDoS attacks"It's still moderated server and tries to stay in the good graces of most servers (not all because some servers disagree them).https://qoto.org/about/more
(DIR) Post #AVO09byUHovj22w7ns by rodhilton@mastodon.social
2023-05-06T17:17:56Z
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@Ciantic @eisfunke honestly that kind of stance I would expect would get it defederated by a bunch of others eventually, which is basically the same problem
(DIR) Post #AVO09cXECeielnBrxA by Ciantic@twit.social
2023-05-06T17:20:08Z
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@rodhilton @eisfunke Yes, it has been defederated by some, but I have checked that not by big instances.You can't expect all instances to "not defederate", they are made of people, and they don't want to see content from other servers then it's their right. Defederating is good thing, it defuses tensions, that's what makes this better than Twitter. Groups can block other groups, and then they don't quarrel anymore.
(DIR) Post #AVO0QEUgq8hH8BvNzs by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-06T18:15:42Z
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@Cianticberserker.town is also like that. The only server @thor blocks is pawoo.net (for CP) AFAIK@eisfunke @rodhilton
(DIR) Post #AVQSRvNe3q9jSm90bI by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-07T22:39:10.894857Z
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> Finding out I might stop getting posts from people I explicitly follow because they happen to be on an instance being defederated by mine all because a bunch of admins I don't know got in a spat over a user I don't follow is just about the most annoying value proposition imaginable.NO REALLY??We've been putting up with mastodon.social blocking random instances like mine from communicating with you people for years, and sitting silently while other mastodon servers block servers, and cut friendship circles and worse for completely bullshit reasons
(DIR) Post #AVQSYovQSXtRTCEW2K by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-07T22:40:25.526211Z
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> "ActivityPub is just like e-mail" well guess what, I don't recall a single instance of gmail silently dropping e-mails sent from another e-mail server because the admins disagree.Unfortunately gmail DOES do this too but you just don't hear about it. Which is a pretty good sign that you should be in contact with more people from across the rainbow curtain who would have told you this by now.
(DIR) Post #AVQSaDO6zdwHd4Jdgm by Rairii@haqueers.com
2023-05-06T16:39:43Z
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@rodhilton fwiw i heard eugen defederated from brands.town because someone who doesn't understand that eugen doesn't control the entire fediverse sent him a c&d or something like that
(DIR) Post #AVQSb8BJpsZfltljA8 by maxleibman@mastodon.social
2023-05-07T00:56:43Z
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@rodhilton It's worse than "still affected by this shit" on Mastodon.social. There are a small but noisy minority of serious Fedi partisans who advocate for defederating us specifically because they can't stomach the idea of there being a "default instance," and/or because the decentralization religion commands that they turn against any instance that is too successful. And the whole "Well, you can always move to another instance!" thing is a half-assed horseshit non-solution.
(DIR) Post #AVQSd3ANS9WqnRF9iS by nemobis@mamot.fr
2023-05-07T07:29:43Z
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@maxleibman When you say "too successful", do you mean "too big"? Your definition of success may be someone else's definition of failure.https://write.as/eloquence/why-mastodon-and-the-fediverse-are-doomed-to-fail
(DIR) Post #AVQSj0mPEuCZ8EsEim by Bryan@macaw.social
2023-05-05T21:09:49Z
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@rodhilton You’ll need to self-host or use BlueSky… 😬
(DIR) Post #AVQSj1V4YpvlMlluLI by rodhilton@mastodon.social
2023-05-05T21:15:56Z
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@Bryan yeah like.. No. If I could self host for $10/mo maybe but last I looked anything that's managed is closer to $50
(DIR) Post #AVQSj2Bc0fxTUhfseG by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-07T22:42:15.976515Z
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btrf.ly allows self-hosting around 15$/mo
(DIR) Post #AVQSnJ2DJGtmuIJcI4 by meso@asbestos.cafe
2023-05-07T22:43:02.355102Z
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@jeffcliff @rodhilton mail servers in particular the big ones with tons of users are NOTORIOUS for rejecting messages from smaller servers for stupid shit. to prevent spam, different reason but it's still just as annoying, even moreso because at least fedi isn't used for serious shit like email is
(DIR) Post #AVQSpa4YvzYcKPUz1k by notroot@notroot.social
2023-05-06T15:50:16Z
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@rodhilton @Bryan Self-hosting here (DigitalOcean) and can confirm... I've been paying about $25/mo.It's too expensive. And I don't really care about social media enough to move to a free instance. So I'll probably just quit mastodon in another month or so. Maybe I'll stick around if something here magically changes
(DIR) Post #AVQSpastupp6qX3BUO by Bryan@macaw.social
2023-05-06T16:19:54Z
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@notroot @rodhilton I setup @gotosocial on fly.io (free) but the project doesn’t want to implement all of mastodon API anymore. I was just doing a test drive - never migrated over.
(DIR) Post #AVQSpbXfTGQusy7k24 by APPTeOORuzvlGOetVY.verita84@poster.place
2023-05-07T22:43:25.184473Z
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@Bryan @notroot @rodhilton Can you say nigger on your instance fren?
(DIR) Post #AVQSqSBVkNCY9bAIM4 by meso@asbestos.cafe
2023-05-07T22:43:34.852771Z
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@rodhilton >he's on mastodon.socialhe doesn't know
(DIR) Post #AVQSvZn2tia7BoAFN2 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-07T22:44:31.100915Z
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There's a cheap and easy heuristic for this. Join the server that blocks the fewest other instances that you have access to. That way it isn't *your* server blocking you from communicating with your friends it's your friends servers. That's on them to fix.
(DIR) Post #AVQSwGa5nklnu5R0eO by eisfunke@inductive.space
2023-05-05T21:21:47Z
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@rodhilton Well, big providers like GMail do like putting small email servers on blocklists for intransparent reasons without being responsive to appeals...Also, not defederating at all isn't really an option either considering there are a lot of nazi, pedo and spam instances out there bent on harrassing people.
(DIR) Post #AVQSzJNtpqJjT0BRNw by ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-07T22:44:30.002260Z
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@verita84 @Bryan @rodhilton @notroot I also want to know if Nigger Guys are welcomed by your community.
(DIR) Post #AVQT2Qy464vJr3aY3E by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-07T22:45:46.187324Z
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...but the problem isn't on qoto's side.
(DIR) Post #AVQT2k7Gu4ZrF72fXU by APPTeOORuzvlGOetVY.verita84@poster.place
2023-05-07T22:45:50.533995Z
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@ChristiJunior @Bryan @rodhilton @notroot Every instance needs Kikes, Niggers, and Trannys for diversity
(DIR) Post #AVQT8V8hV4qMWvSLpY by get@glee.li
2023-05-07T22:46:50.877991Z
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@meso @rodhilton It's always tragic for me when I see freethinkers end up on poast or mastodon.social. They join thinking its a free speech haven while having no way of knowing that the majority of posts are being filtered out before they can even see them. they have no idea they are living in a bubble
(DIR) Post #AVQTAFP4yc7IIzwxM0 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-07T22:47:11.515650Z
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The "it's to prevent spam" excuse may have been acceptable 15 years ago. It's not acceptable anymore - the big 3 benefit from being an effective oligopoly and and do whatever they can to maximize their share of all human communication
(DIR) Post #AVQTCxEwxppwqEVEtE by APPTeOORuzvlGOetVY.verita84@poster.place
2023-05-07T22:47:41.197764Z
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@rodhilton Many of us just want to say nigger online and be at peace with everyone without being de-federated. Right @ChristiJunior
(DIR) Post #AVQTXxH61xBB1vWKzw by ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-07T22:51:27.116738Z
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@verita84 @rodhilton Damn straight, nigger :makima2:
(DIR) Post #AVQTdL6Ks71qNH3Sb2 by r000t@fosstodon.org
2023-05-06T16:49:03Z
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@rodhilton Being on the default instance is part of the problem. And every user on a centralized instance that participates in this drama is a force multiplier for those who continue it.
(DIR) Post #AVQTdM27PHFXGU5bf6 by ttpphd@mastodon.social
2023-05-06T18:02:26Z
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@r000tNo!At this point Mastodon.social is the only instance I trust to not up and disappear suddenly.See: dot lol, dot technology.
(DIR) Post #AVQTdMkmjCyjV0zHHc by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-07T22:52:24.955268Z
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#SPC is older than mastodon.social and will be around long after mastodon.social collapses from your internal political problems
(DIR) Post #AVQTp4Jx5QtJo216Fk by jessamyn@glammr.us
2023-05-06T18:50:58Z
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@rodhilton The big thing too is that moving instances doesn't move your content (for Masto reasons), so you have your old toots hanging out on a defederated instance just because of admin spats. I mean I know there's a lot of "choose your instance carefully" stuff in the onboarding but honestly, most people want to be using the tool not twiddling the knobs of the tool.
(DIR) Post #AVQTp5CBpmHCWFOPnE by thelaughingmuse@masto.ai
2023-05-06T18:57:00Z
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@jessamyn @rodhilton Apparently Calckey now has a feature in beta - pulling across your Masto content when you migrate from Masto to Calckey.Don't know if that's original posts only, or posts and replies (probably the former) but that's something.
(DIR) Post #AVQTp5ptSA2GVNy7g8 by unattributed@calckey.social
2023-05-06T21:33:08.404Z
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@thelaughingmuse@masto.ai @jessamyn@glammr.us @rodhilton@mastodon.social As the person who tested (and broke) the #calckey post import I can explain it... You export an archive of your posts from your Mastodon instance, do the migration process, then import your posts.@kainoa is working on a plan to fix the issue encountered when I used the import, but I haven't heard how work is going on that front.(FYI - for those who don't know what happened: my import flooded the timeline and made the calckey.docial instance and a couple others nearly unusable for a couple of hours.)
(DIR) Post #AVQTyv7KA0ps9no8tk by cshlan@dawdling.net
2023-05-06T22:02:50Z
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@rodhiltonThis is why I'm on a single user instance. I follow everyone from anarchists to bureaucracts and don't want to get cut off from any of them if possible.
(DIR) Post #AVQTzKSRwbaYkYsrnU by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-07T22:56:25.685709Z
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@mint How hard would it be to make something like this on the fediblock site? Unrelated, but is there an API that we can use to pull data from it?
(DIR) Post #AVQU63jYWS2uuN5ur2 by jpsays@mastodon.social
2023-05-07T02:25:56Z
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@rodhilton yes. I share your concerns. Additionally our ‘big’ instance has defederated ‘bird.makeup’ as well. Doing so keeps many folks on the bad bird site since this tool explicitly would allow them to get critical traffic, weather, and government info. Makes me sad because I wish I could get traffic alerts here. But without tools like the one above, it limits the usability of mastodon.
(DIR) Post #AVQUJHmlabqOFmu3hg by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-07T22:59:59.978505Z
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No. It doesn't diffuse tensions. It allows hatred to grow between groups who cannot communicate, and are frustrated in any attempt to bridge the gap between them.
(DIR) Post #AVQUQF8Hqq9Q3LHpaK by beardalaxy@gameliberty.club
2023-05-07T23:01:15Z
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@notroot @rodhilton @Bryan idk if you guys can see this (lol) but I set up an instance with fedi.express. Digital Ocean I was paying $12/month for and there's a free single-user method with Oracle. Just gotta pay for a domain name. If you're just going for a single user thing I would recommend it. You're far less likely to get defederated that way, unless it's by instances that defederate ones specifically because they don't defederate anyone else xD but if you're on your own instance you have a lot more power over what you do and don't see.
(DIR) Post #AVQUVMfDHJqQrG86Pw by mint@ryona.agency
2023-05-07T23:01:31.818141Z
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@KitlerIs6 @rodhilton It *is* an API with a crude frontend, just put "api" before query.https://fba.ryona.agency/api?domain=seal.cafeAs for initial question, it feels like it might be too much of a work to do, plus FBA is just a public data aggregator that doesn't count any hidden blocklists.
(DIR) Post #AVQUWT9MeEMpGSl8r2 by matty@nicecrew.digital
2023-05-07T23:02:24.762910Z
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Then you should join a different instance that doesn't have fucktarded defederation rules. Mastodon sucks donkey balls anyway.
(DIR) Post #AVQUb71WLDDY5XIwc4 by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-07T23:03:15.462672Z
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Tell them to become nostrchads (I can't they defederate us)
(DIR) Post #AVQUpUNIJp3EZ5LPkm by ike@pkm.social
2023-05-05T21:07:10Z
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@rodhilton I was just wondering... how can I see the list of servers that mine has defederated? Better yet - how can I see the people Ive followed who I can no longer see because of the deforestation? Seems like a good feedback mechanism for the denizens of a server to be able to provide their server's admins. What tools do admins have to communicate and gather feedback about defederation and other admin activities?
(DIR) Post #AVQUpfiGADMDjIEoSW by chucker@norden.social
2023-05-06T08:50:13Z
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@ike @rodhilton https://pkm.social/about“Moderated servers” section (Apparently, your instance hasn’t defederated anything.)
(DIR) Post #AVQUrmmMrXTuDyARY8 by jeff@federated.fun
2023-05-07T23:05:58.804630Z
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@p @icedquinn @rodhilton wow we told them so how many years ago?
(DIR) Post #AVQUvPFsGaBGQLhAdk by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-05-07T23:06:55.590451Z
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@r000t @rodhilton @r000t @rodhilton >part ofIsn't it "the" problem? Everyone needs to go where they belong, and this guy is in the process of realizing that he wants to see things mastodon.social doesn't want him to see - he belongs somewhere else.
(DIR) Post #AVQUvfusJuU66908lk by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-07T23:06:58.010170Z
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i don't want them to become sha256tards though
(DIR) Post #AVQVOo0JKTvTZzQyye by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-07T23:12:14.071754Z
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Now I feel retarded for making a script that parses the HTML frontend into json. Probably isn't worth the effort since the mastodon people wouldn't know about it due to defederating everyone who might tell them about it.
(DIR) Post #AVQVYDDEyRg2Muy2ZU by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-07T23:13:56.248540Z
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It's not a problem if you use nostr.But if you do you then have to deal with the fact that mostr and most nostr apps just suck and the only people to talk to on nostr itself is like 5 racists from the fedi an army of bitcoin shills and spambots.
(DIR) Post #AVQVrgLSsqQyDx69Sq by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-07T23:17:27.014365Z
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"being a sha256tard isn't a problem if you're surrounded by other sha256tards":facepalm:
(DIR) Post #AVQWCQfoLWpNhSVYie by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-07T23:21:12.561384Z
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You don't see the sha256, so you don't even notice that part.
(DIR) Post #AVQWFFd1rpaIJVYJBA by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-07T23:21:38.383815Z
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that's because it's on the inside
(DIR) Post #AVQYz4Py52Hgm1Q372 by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-07T23:52:24.387340Z
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Yeah but so what? It's an objectively better system from the decentralized nerd perspective and it doesn't have faggy admins defederating for faggy reasons.
(DIR) Post #AVQe9GvavFIGEutcYa by p@freespeechextremist.com
2023-05-08T00:50:17.007673Z
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@jeff @icedquinn @rodhilton I think it was 2016 when I left mastodon.social because I found out about the instance-blocks, so about seven.
(DIR) Post #AVQeFbTVRTL5hbmEq0 by graf@poa.st
2023-05-08T00:51:23.161989Z
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@p @icedquinn @rodhilton we've been defederated from mastodon.social since day one, literally hour one two and a half years ago
(DIR) Post #AVQf8Jkp1qeofZxxku by Zergling_man@birds.garden
2023-05-08T01:01:17.196219Z
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@rodhilton And now you understand the problem of centralised moderation.Now get off that trash instance lmao and join the real fediverse.
(DIR) Post #AVQfH4wHTrSrKMVHVI by lunarised@whinge.town
2023-05-08T01:02:44.333949Z
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@Zergling_man @rodhilton what did bob marley blame for the massive issues of energy consumption in the upper middle east?De-Federation
(DIR) Post #AVQfssi9OMvQPJv5uK by tn5421@fedi.absturztau.be
2023-05-08T01:09:42.527519Z
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@ThatWouldBeTelling @rodhilton or better yet, lie about the weather constantly
(DIR) Post #AVQg4JiLKrM3LESl8q by WhyNotZoidberg@topspicy.social
2023-05-06T18:27:56Z
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@rodhilton I have said for a long time there is a HUGE difference between the Mastodon oldtimers (and new tech-savvy ppl who enjoy the concept) and new users just looking for a replacement for Twitter or Facebook. These people will maybe have the patience... MAYBE, to switch instance ONCE. Then they'll either go back to Twitter or get in line for Bluesky.Because - surprise - 90% of new Mastodon users have absolutely no problem with company-owned social media.
(DIR) Post #AVQgE6D8Oa3kMDWuGm by p@freespeechextremist.com
2023-05-08T01:13:33.953686Z
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@graf @icedquinn @rodhilton Mastodon: Not Even Once
(DIR) Post #AVQhsvIXyPIoL65kHI by newt@stereophonic.space
2023-05-08T01:31:52.089198Z
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@rodhilton you’re much less likely to be on an instance that defederates if you join a smaller instance that doesn’t care about fedi politics. But then, you’ll be the one defederated from.Much of fedi is run by a bunch of little dictators who think Twitter didn’t ban fascists hard enough, so they more than make up for it. Blocklists with hundreds of instances aren’t unheard of. https://fba.ryona.agency/scoreboard?blockers=50Enjoy your ride!
(DIR) Post #AVQhtTmVlVTPHsN9hg by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2023-05-08T01:32:12.001858Z
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I don’t recall a single instance of gmail silently dropping e-mails sent from another e-mail server because the admins disagree.It’s impossible to tell since major e-mail servers have over aggressive spam filters they drops tons of legitimate mail:https://battlepenguin.com/tech/how-google-and-microsoft-made-email-unreliable/…and we’ll probably find out soon they’ve all been censoring e-mail for news stories they didn’t like as well
(DIR) Post #AVQhzaB2tnhQrQl5QO by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2023-05-08T01:33:18.673299Z
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no fucking idea who this bastard is, but he apparently doesn't like me
(DIR) Post #AVQi6Ki8ngXav7SQ2i by tn5421@fedi.absturztau.be
2023-05-08T01:34:13.373186Z
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@djsumdog twitter infosec person. probably extremely sensitive to criticism or something@mattblaze @rodhilton
(DIR) Post #AVQi809gCIlnkM8Mlc by Zergling_man@birds.garden
2023-05-08T01:34:51.476271Z
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@rodhilton By the way: https://freespeechextremist.com/notice/AVNsudbJG6j43K0Z4SYou're missing a LOT of replies.
(DIR) Post #AVQiMuu40QthnmwSLg by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2023-05-08T01:37:30.940991Z
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We're entering a world of only extremes. People looked at Voat/Poal as an extreme, but with Reddit banning literally all wrong-think, they've also become equally as extreme.The fediverse will always have this split. It's impossible not to get banned by one group or another, so long as you offer any discussion of substantive value.It's no longer even about left and right. It's about different fundamental beliefs about the nature of reality.
(DIR) Post #AVQicDZes1SE3Jh3nU by RyokoPilled@freespeechextremist.com
2023-05-08T01:40:20.089050Z
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@get @meso @rodhilton we're entering the era of federated internet cults lol
(DIR) Post #AVQiqiMzAaUHcLg8MC by MisterRogersSnapped@seal.cafe
2023-05-08T01:42:56.908562Z
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lol
(DIR) Post #AVQiwxw8CnY7dQ6AMq by Kobold@noagendasocial.com
2023-05-08T01:44:04Z
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@djsumdog @meso @get @rodhilton The mindless consumer vs humans. That's the point. We are not fighting against people that have different points of view, we are fighting people that surrendered theirselves to consumerism
(DIR) Post #AVQj2xiruhyai0kpLE by Kobold@noagendasocial.com
2023-05-08T01:45:09Z
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@djsumdog @meso @get @rodhilton a good part of right wingers and left wingers are just cosplaying, just trying to create a personality from chosen talking points
(DIR) Post #AVQj9pHzfRbIa1SNay by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2023-05-08T01:46:21.690487Z
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consumerism might have some impact, but I'm not sure if it's close to the root cause of this new age of religions. I think communication, social media and government direction of thought via social media is more significant. You could say that all roads lead back to consumerism, but I think this is way more than that. Look how many kids are just given screens.
(DIR) Post #AVQjCC4bvZExp5KGe0 by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2023-05-08T01:46:45.972785Z
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yea, there's a lot of that for sure
(DIR) Post #AVQjbFvSk1HZ0izu8O by Kobold@noagendasocial.com
2023-05-08T01:51:21Z
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@djsumdog @meso @get @rodhilton my idea is:Efficiency is a natural power. When you go 100% materialistic, efficiency is your god. Lessa people doing more work, thinking less, producing more, trying to have more pleasure... When you stop and think about WHY YOU SHOULD BE EFFICIENT you start noticing.
(DIR) Post #AVQjga7F6Qml4p2yJM by newt@stereophonic.space
2023-05-08T01:51:56.439647Z
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@rodhilton @Bryan pleroma can run on a cheap $10 vps. Our instance used to run on a $20 vm until we grew to a couple of hundred users.
(DIR) Post #AVQjtY3863DaQtJ2WW by Kobold@noagendasocial.com
2023-05-08T01:54:40Z
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@djsumdog @meso @get @rodhilton efficiency is how the material world goes... The tiger will eat as much as possible, will spend less energy, the plant will store energy and spread seeds as far as possible... Efficiency. Capitalism and Communism are representations of efficiency. Because we can't produce robots as smart as humans, we are changing humans into robots.
(DIR) Post #AVQkQGWgGjrHdojH8q by Tadano@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz
2023-05-08T02:00:29.183667Z
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@notroot @rodhilton @Bryan Use Frantech or Vultr's offerings or selfhost and use a dirt cheap VPS to reverse proxy so as not to leak your home IPt. Posting from self hosted Pleroma on a Zimaboard in the basement, using a cheap VPS to reverse proxy
(DIR) Post #AVQkZBATYlgBd5aqo4 by Tadano@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz
2023-05-08T02:02:07.324451Z
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@RyokoPilled @meso @get @rodhilton Can't wait for fediverse Jim Jones :LIVE:
(DIR) Post #AVQkfPRrNWwJemhBUe by RyokoPilled@freespeechextremist.com
2023-05-08T02:03:19.299985Z
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@Tadano @get @meso @rodhilton oh me either, you have no idea lmao
(DIR) Post #AVQkjuhR84Azjt840W by doctorsex@nicecrew.digital
2023-05-08T02:04:07.876921Z
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What will it be instead of kool aid? White monster energy?
(DIR) Post #AVQnrALldgL0AT8wka by ThatWouldBeTelling@shitposter.club
2023-05-08T02:39:03.301177Z
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@tn5421 @rodhilton That’s still providing information to your enemy, although I’m guessing not enough to be useful.They could in theory discover you’re lying by finding there’s no place in the biggest possible scope for you that’s experiencing said weather. Then they could eliminate all the places it couldn’t be.That latter could be foiled by occasionally telling the truth.
(DIR) Post #AVQs1Synd4nYeuZEtE by get@glee.li
2023-05-08T03:25:42.802851Z
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@doctorsex @Tadano @meso @RyokoPilled @rodhilton Jager bombs
(DIR) Post #AVR83cJBVxjPRB9LWa by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2023-05-08T06:25:23.477Z
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@rodhilton@mastodon.social Google and Microsoft are constantly dropping mail from smaller servers without any information going to the users. It's why self-hosting is considered pretty much impossible by a large amount of people. So yeah, the analogy does actually still hold.Additionally, a 4eu/mo VPS at #Hetzner can run #Pleroma just fine, in case you do actually want to start self-hosting and take control into your own hands. More people should do this for a healthy #Fediverse. You could also set up an email server on it, to ensure that the federated nature doesn't die there either!
(DIR) Post #AVRVtvDwjKL26gbqlM by Sieglinde@nicecrew.digital
2023-05-08T10:52:34.513094Z
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What does defederated mean
(DIR) Post #AVRbU8ufoLdwl6gYwy by ThatMushroom@nicecrew.digital
2023-05-08T11:55:08.862604Z
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It means the mastofags blocked us
(DIR) Post #AVS23Nrio9Xy4nlmuO by ec670@pawoo.net
2023-05-08T16:52:47Z
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@jeffcliff @eisfunke @rodhilton @Ciantic Face it - the “public square” died out when they suppressed the laptop story and banned a sitting President. The Musk takeover was a reaction, and the Twitter exodus was the reaction to a reaction.Now that everyone has their filter bubbles, there’s no reason not to go back invite-only group chats and independently administered PHP forums.
(DIR) Post #AVS2E1hbYBcAWY71lo by ec670@pawoo.net
2023-05-08T16:54:44Z
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@jeffcliff @eisfunke @rodhilton @Ciantic Pain
(DIR) Post #AVS2YSGoTu0siMK1Pk by Ciantic@twit.social
2023-05-08T16:58:23Z
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@ec670 @jeffcliff @eisfunke @rodhilton I don't know which one you are replying, but I've talked about Bluesky lately. It seems to be closer to RSS and closer to "town square" because you can fetch anyone's content without filtering the server if I'm understood their plans correctly.And yes, having six accounts in Mastodon is painful, that problem is not in Bluesky.
(DIR) Post #AVS3AXgen2YCWDZUzA by ec670@pawoo.net
2023-05-08T17:05:18Z
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@jeffcliff @eisfunke @rodhilton @Ciantic Also when blue check MDs and hospital administrators told us that mass protest gatherings are “Safe & EffectiveTM” during a pandemic lockdown when attending school was bannedAlso when those same PhD scholars told us that Republicans oppress women, also nobody knows for sure what a woman is
(DIR) Post #AVS3b5k6nJKtfZqUt6 by ec670@pawoo.net
2023-05-08T17:10:06Z
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@Ciantic @jeffcliff @eisfunke @rodhilton I’m not sure I understand the distinction.I’m able to read and retoot content on the normie fediverse, even post replies, which will be seen on my instance and on some of the other discussion partners. If I’m third down the line, the second person will see my reply if their instance is permissive, even if the OG can’t see it.The OG might get a spidey sense that he ought to check the activity on #2’s instance, and that he’s missing out on the banter
(DIR) Post #AVSI6dygxPkQBRbeiG by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-08T19:52:42.452213Z
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> There’s no reason not to go back invite-only group chats and independently administered PHP forums.Yeah there is. It's inherently valuable to connect to a public, neutral space -- that's why twitter isn't dead yet. IDGAF about any laptop story and most people in the world share that opinion.
(DIR) Post #AVSI9hg9eZoYWyOXCK by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-08T19:53:15.250407Z
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STOP USING GITHUB
(DIR) Post #AVSJ94m4OqPVpBQUBU by ec670@pawoo.net
2023-05-08T20:04:19Z
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@jeffcliff @eisfunke @rodhilton @Ciantic The laptop story suppression was a motive for Elon’s acquisition wasn’t it? Or was it the Babylon Bee jailban Anyway it was Elon’s personal private opinion that caused the 180 reversal on content and the exodus. The public square is a lot smaller and quieter than it used to be.More importantly, no other proprietary platform took the place of Twitter - because any would-be contender would have to deal with the same divisive problems
(DIR) Post #AVSJMF1BcnM5MMm52G by condret@shitposter.club
2023-05-08T20:06:44.470193Z
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@rodhilton create multiple accounts for different kinds of posts and interests that you enjoy. some bubbles just don't vibe with each other, and that is ok. fedi doesn't need to be the one big network, where everybody can see everybody else
(DIR) Post #AVSJZp4UtGIywSnc5w by ec670@pawoo.net
2023-05-08T20:09:09Z
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@jeffcliff @eisfunke @rodhilton @Ciantic I thought that with users and advertisers leaving Twitter, those same eyeballs and advertising dollars would all converge on one place - maybe Instagram, maybe Snapchat - and then an already-large social network would become bigger than Twitter.So far that hasn’t happened.Instead they tried to invent some new SJW hugboxes from scratch - Tribel and Spoutable - and we haven’t heard from them since.
(DIR) Post #AVSJmA7oRKVTiHEYyG by KitlerIs6@seal.cafe
2023-05-08T20:11:25.339007Z
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CODE WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE STORED REMOTELY50 YEARS OF VERSION CONTROL AND NO PRACTICAL USE FOUND FOR REVERTING CHANGES PAST THE UNDO BUTTONIF YOU WANTED TO GO FURTHER BACK FOR SOME REASON, WE HAD A TOOL FOR THAT TOO, ARCHIVE TO ZIP"Yes please merge branch experimental with origin/develop", "Please push all changes to remote" - STATEMENTS DREAMED UP BY THE INSANE"Go fetch remote from origin" THEY HAVE PLAYED US FOR ABSOLUTE FOOLS
(DIR) Post #AVSK3PQCovOu4t3qYS by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-05-08T20:14:28Z
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@ec670 @jeffcliff @eisfunke @rodhilton @Ciantic Twitter was really optimized for the Leftist hive mind, and became an essential resource for it.If Musk merely kills twitter (and loses his fortune in the process) he will have done severe damage to the Left.
(DIR) Post #AVSKKT96EAMWYDC7mK by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-08T20:17:36.626703Z
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Don't forget the right wing hugboxes : truthsocial, parler and the like. And we haven't heard from them much because the network effect is a bitch, and they haven't got it relative to twitter even with people bailing out> and then an already-large social network would become bigger than Twitter.Facebook already is. So is insta. There's a good couple of them that are - twitter was only the ~#20th or so largest social media site at the time elon bought them.
(DIR) Post #AVSKRYfu4KRrj4v1MG by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-08T20:18:53.769629Z
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we will regroup on the fedi and be stronger for it
(DIR) Post #AVSKSQgTGQzLETbEjw by ec670@pawoo.net
2023-05-08T20:19:02Z
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@mike805 @jeffcliff @eisfunke @rodhilton @Ciantic Well yes - but before it was the leftist hivemind it was the normie hivemind. Now the normies refuse to form a hive because they know it will eventually be captured by the White Cultural Genocide Forces (“White” here representing anything that was obvious, neutral, and taken for granted five minutes ago)This has been the main point I’ve tried to defend every time this topic is addressed
(DIR) Post #AVSKbUX0KTLXlrUc0e by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-05-08T20:20:37Z
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@ec670 @jeffcliff @eisfunke @rodhilton @Ciantic Any institution that is not actively defended against the Left is taken over by the Left. A lot of normies are no doubt hoping that Elon Musk will actively defend Twitter against the Left. If he doesn't someone else needs to. Said service must also be defended against cartoon Nazis of the Daily Stormer variety because those also repel Normies.
(DIR) Post #AVSKnQ6gbZzPWWs2j2 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-08T20:22:50.824589Z
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I like your optimism but no
(DIR) Post #AVSKv7GQXwCrOs63dI by ec670@pawoo.net
2023-05-08T20:24:13Z
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@jeffcliff @mike805 @eisfunke @rodhilton @Ciantic I disagree. The fedi is split in two and always will be.There is the FaceLinked portion of fedi - where people have their legal names, academic credentials and marital status in the bio - and the DisChan portion, where users mostly have anime avis and use the N word with abandon (hi!) .As you recall I tried to set up a volunteer psyop where anis create and share facelord accounts on the other side but I couldn’t find any takers.
(DIR) Post #AVSLDgl3JrbkhAHGfQ by ec670@pawoo.net
2023-05-08T20:27:34Z
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@mike805 @jeffcliff @eisfunke @rodhilton @Ciantic Normies are defenseless against the Left because the mass deception psyops from previous generations - the Civil Rights Era, the central bank cartel, the Protestant Reformation, the Christianization and subsequent downfall of Rome - are never repudiated.But y’all aren’t ready for that conversation.
(DIR) Post #AVSLFEDiOPyylZQ024 by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-05-08T20:23:24Z
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@jeffcliff @eisfunke @rodhilton @ec670 @Ciantic no what? No Elon won't keep Twitter clean?
(DIR) Post #AVSLFEvJmIrQwnoozo by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-08T20:27:52.130956Z
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the left is not as successful as you think we are
(DIR) Post #AVSLKSUEmHiKSddllg by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-08T20:28:49.225670Z
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> retvrn to not just the roman empire, but the roman empire before 0AD good luck
(DIR) Post #AVSLKngLyQsqCITF4K by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-05-08T20:28:48Z
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@ec670 @jeffcliff @eisfunke @rodhilton @Ciantic some of us are ready for that conversation. I've read material on all of the above. Some of it I buy, some I do not. Some I didn't buy the first time I read it, but I do now.I am not alone in this. The mass deception is wearing off.
(DIR) Post #AVSLWOFcLtiMnaUXia by ec670@pawoo.net
2023-05-08T20:30:57Z
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@mike805 @jeffcliff @eisfunke @rodhilton @Ciantic If people really understood that the emergence of moral absolutism and monotheistic religious thought evolved from the Persian Empire under Cyrus the Great - and not from the Levant...#TeamAryan
(DIR) Post #AVSLlrs4VVIN0YrIIa by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-05-08T20:33:43Z
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@ec670 @jeffcliff @eisfunke @rodhilton @Ciantic Monotheism was a hell of an evolutionary advantage. You no longer had to engage in elaborate debate about the relative merits of usury or whatever. You could just say "our book says you cannot do that here, so there's the door."
(DIR) Post #AVSLntfgmiG1Ae2BUW by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-05-08T20:32:15Z
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@jeffcliff @eisfunke @rodhilton @ec670 @Ciantic The Roman Empire was already in bad shape, it no longer believed in its former mythology. That is why Christianity was able to get its hooks in. The early Christians even wrote about that - they got converts among the elite who had nothing meaningful to believe in.Right now the West is back where Rome was after 44 BC - no longer believing its own mythology. GOOD article here: https://tinkzorg.wordpress.com/2021/08/16/farewell-to-bourgeois-kings/
(DIR) Post #AVSLyxZMdGo6RgLosC by ec670@pawoo.net
2023-05-08T20:36:07Z
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@mike805 @jeffcliff @eisfunke @rodhilton @Ciantic Ancient Zoroastrianism, the so-called fire-worshipper religion - understood that the same Sun that sustains the world, also illuminates - informs and reveals truth, and forbids the speaking of lies. That the Father is co-eternal with the #HolySpirit.And Zoroaster lived in what is now #Afghanistan. #Christian #Taliban
(DIR) Post #AVSMD710JH0xnN1mDI by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-05-08T20:38:38Z
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@ec670 @jeffcliff @eisfunke @rodhilton @Ciantic Yes I had a class in that stuff. ZA was the first good-versus-evil religion apparently. And getting away from spirit communication (a bad idea all around) as the basis of religion.
(DIR) Post #AVSMd6SgzROHblN8XA by ec670@pawoo.net
2023-05-08T20:43:22Z
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@mike805 @jeffcliff @eisfunke @rodhilton @Ciantic Yes but it’s taught as history, that was then, this is now. People still believe that “Our god killed everyone in the world and left afew survivors in turky, wrote the first pages of our holy book on the Sinai Peninsula, then he was born in Bethlehem and died in Jerusalem”They don’t understand that the admirable qualities of our religious heritage come from the same place as our written and spoken language: from the Indo-Aryan civilization.
(DIR) Post #AVSMuXWHdtZgRwMliC by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-05-08T20:46:30Z
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@ec670 @jeffcliff @eisfunke @rodhilton @Ciantic There were a whole bunch of died-and-reborn gods before Jesus.There is a pile of evidence for human reincarnation too.Religion being about morality and doing the right thing, rather than our tribe is always right, seems to have originated there.Makes for a nicer society, but it's a disadvantage if you are up against a tribe that thinks they are always right.
(DIR) Post #AVSN3xhTfnX0Fm5xEu by torsocks@xmrposter.club
2023-05-08T20:47:47.229902Z
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@notroot @rodhilton @Bryan brainlet nigger
(DIR) Post #AVSN3ycuEHT77sxoki by itsover@poa.st
2023-05-08T20:48:14.488649Z
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@Bryan @notroot @rodhilton @torsocks @Bryan @rodhilton @notroot ultra brainlet nigger (((modern software dev)))
(DIR) Post #AVSNbRrAZco5L0b0ZE by ec670@pawoo.net
2023-05-08T20:54:16Z
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@mike805 @jeffcliff @eisfunke @rodhilton @Ciantic I’ll give Christianity credit for one thing - it’s missionary zeal that compelled them to indoctrinate every man, woman, and child in Rome and in the provinces... and in the new world.Yes, classical era philosophers and stoics and scholars of the East had a lot of sophisticated ideas, but there was no real attempt to inculcate them to the underclasses.So Christianity could be more beneficial to the masses, even if it was more superstitious
(DIR) Post #AVSO6GVcoU3X7aDHnc by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-05-08T20:59:49Z
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@ec670 @jeffcliff @eisfunke @rodhilton @Ciantic Of course that far too often enabled Christians to divide into tribes, and use minor theological differences to justify what would otherwise be plain old plunder and murder.But Islam and other faiths have also had internal wars.I don't think there has ever been an actual war within Judaism, has there?
(DIR) Post #AVSOVLlgOhr2fggZDU by ec670@pawoo.net
2023-05-08T21:04:22Z
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@mike805 @jeffcliff @eisfunke @rodhilton @Ciantic Read some Josephus. Some brigands and radicals slaughtered the priests in the Temple, and there were rival militias “defending” the Temple compound in 70 ADAlso the failed suppression of early Christianity was an internal Jewish conflictBut there’s never been an internal Jewish war in the post-diaspora period... unless you count the exile and displacement of the falasheen