Post AVPMiSRO7KdPkSR3w0 by PhilipKing@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AVPApTAqagQGbEH9sG by choyer@mastodon.social
2023-05-06T22:32:15Z
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Just read that a flagship non-Mastodon instance blocked at least one major server (the biggest UK #Mastodon instance) preventing their users interacting and exchanging with each other. Not sure how this walled bubble approach fits in with the enthusiastic attempts to place such instance as some kind of mainstream alternative to #Mastodon. I am off for good, I like to make my own decisions on a server with mature and non-arbitrary admin policies. @fediversenews
(DIR) Post #AVPApWRGS6Kyj0yoNc by choyer@mastodon.social
2023-05-06T22:41:05Z
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This defederation and blocking mania (have a look at the blocking list of some instances) is a risk for the #fediverse and I also believe it is conceptionally questionable, at least if you run some kind of flagship topical or geographical instance. Do what you want on a small community server but if you serve a huge community on a leading instance you need to deploy appropriate, proportionate, non-arbitrary moderation principles. @fediversenews
(DIR) Post #AVPApWYM1k0b50ITQm by choyer@mastodon.social
2023-05-06T22:58:36Z
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@fediversenews Note: Have edited those posts, as this is not about a specific instance but the problem of arbitrary and intrusive blocks of communication in general.
(DIR) Post #AVPB1LvPMsz9alijdA by ada@blahaj.zone
2023-05-06T23:27:42.435Z
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@choyer@mastodon.social @fediversenews@venera.social Defederation is not a "risk" for the fediverse. It's the killer feature of the fediverse.The ability to federate or defederate with other instances means that people can choose their own preferred risk profiles and join a community that matches it.My community is a queer and gender diverse focused community. So we try to make and sustain an environment where our community members can exist with their barriers down a little bit, where they don't have to live on edge all the time, worried about a hateful transphobe dropping in to their mentions.And so, to that end, we pre-emptively block a lot of spaces where transphobes hang out.Now that's not for everyone. Some people prefer to choose for themselves, and that's fine, but it means that individual users have to block the bigots after the bigot has made their abusive comment. For some folk, that's a price they're willing to pay to have the final say over who they see in their timeline. For others, having to be on edge all the time is too high a price to pay.The strength of the fediverse is that communities that favour both approaches exist, and you can find the one that fits your preference.
(DIR) Post #AVPB1MTnJ2UVJPoCEC by tobyink@toots.toby.ink
2023-05-07T07:39:27Z
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@ada @choyer @fediversenews defederation is a killer feature if you run your own instance. If you're on somebody else's instance, it is a potentially big problem.
(DIR) Post #AVPB9RClcZYYHghAkC by BlakeL@calckey.social
2023-05-07T00:21:07.076Z
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@ada@blahaj.zone @choyer@mastodon.social @fediversenews@venera.social The major drawback to that approach is when you find out the moderation doesn't fit AFTER they start blocking your friends. And since being blocked breaks migration, it's not like you can just jump ship.
(DIR) Post #AVPBAaL39FMutw7I0m by tarajdactyl@tech.lgbt
2023-05-07T02:26:24Z
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@BlakeL yeah i do think that is a current shortcoming of migration... that and you can't bring post history so even if you move to a third party "neutral" server that federates with your old server and the blocked server you have friends on, they won't ever be able to see your old posts. really annoying.@ada @choyer @fediversenews
(DIR) Post #AVPBPCiRG8PHyq1lFg by PhilipKing@mastodon.social
2023-05-07T07:05:58Z
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@briellebouquet @ada @choyer @fediversenews But what if your instance is one that gets defederated because your views are considered troublesome ? Or the views of someone on your instance you don’t know about.The gatekeeping approach to Mastodon is highly problematic.
(DIR) Post #AVPBVKXF6FExy9iBYe by PhilipKing@mastodon.social
2023-05-07T07:02:00Z
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@ada @choyer @fediversenews I disagree. We are supposed to be adults. If we don’t like what someone is tooting we unfollow them or block them. The sort of gatekeeping that sees whole instances being blocked or defederated is highly problematic and lacks self awareness. Mastodon already has enough problems with UX and for users to find their instance blocked or their friends blocked would be the final straw. At the very best you’ll end up with tiny enclaves.
(DIR) Post #AVPBalwOdKbIPl4X3I by ada@blahaj.zone
2023-05-07T07:34:26.448Z
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@PhilipKing@mastodon.social @choyer@mastodon.social @fediversenews@venera.social That's the wonderful thing, we don't need to agree. The instances you want and the instances I want both exist on the fediverse. And as adults, we can choose the ones that suit us best.I'm not telling you that you need to let someone make your moderation decisions for you, and similarly, you don't get to tell me that I should subject myself to abusive people because it's more ideologically pure in your mind
(DIR) Post #AVPBamSehOPA1oAIKm by PhilipKing@mastodon.social
2023-05-07T07:41:14Z
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@ada @choyer @fediversenews As I see it the flaw with your argument is encapsulated in three things. 1) What if a group of people join your instance who you disapprove or may be abusive? e.g the instance changes character due to an admin change. 2) What happens if your instance is the one that’s defederated or blocked so that you can’t migrate your account elsewhere. 3) What happens if your friends are on instances which are subsequently blocked?1/2
(DIR) Post #AVPBb2pDrFxmmQqXjM by PhilipKing@mastodon.social
2023-05-07T07:43:55Z
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@ada @choyer @fediversenews In summary, these are all things you’ll only discover after they’ve happened and when it’s too late to do anything about. It’s not like shutting a door to keep people out. It’s like boarding up the door of someone else’s house so they can’t get in or out. You’re also trapped in side and they’re coming through the windows. 2/2
(DIR) Post #AVPMiQRfXJffYkYG5w by PhilipKing@mastodon.social
2023-05-07T09:36:45Z
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@Seirdy @ada @Uraael @choyer @briellebouquet @fediversenews This is all fine and commendable. But, your average user just joins the instance that’s the biggest or looks the best to them. They might even choose the default option. They know very little of instances and admins etc. They’ll just know when it no longer works. 1/2
(DIR) Post #AVPMiSRO7KdPkSR3w0 by PhilipKing@mastodon.social
2023-05-07T09:37:40Z
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@Seirdy @ada @Uraael @choyer @briellebouquet @fediversenews That’s the problem defederation in its current form causes. That’s what needs to be solved. For example, Defederation could be a last result after users have been notified and given help to move if they want. Not just after talking to admins.
(DIR) Post #AVPMtfDax1YgYwKMQS by mb@101010.pl
2023-05-07T10:02:14Z
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@PhilipKing @Seirdy @ada @Uraael @choyer @briellebouquet @fediversenews There should be the right to refederate (have all fediblocks lifted) once the issue has been resolved. There should be a right to appeal.
(DIR) Post #AVPN9Iqlsnetp36pWK by PhilipKing@mastodon.social
2023-05-07T09:55:04Z
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@Seirdy @ada @Uraael @choyer @briellebouquet @fediversenews There’s no need to get rid of federation, only to solve some of the problems Mastodon faces because of it. The roadmap/report I saw the other day mentioned UX and UI as the two biggest issues to be addressed. As I mentioned in my other post defederation can be enhanced to better protect people both from abuse and from account loss.