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(DIR) Post #AVNNhPiqRyMOfKkNrU by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-05-06T11:01:38Z
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Why do we still live in a world where I can't independently configure my laptop display and external monitor's scaling (100% and 150% respectively) in #Linux? Or is this just an Ubuntu/Kubuntu problem?Under X11 both displays sync their scaling settings (awful experience when you have a 4K panel). And with Wayland both displays end up blurry, even after a reboot.I'm using the HP Dev One. Are there easy workarounds or should I finally make the permanent switch to #fedora?
(DIR) Post #AVNNmIJTQP6R8OCtsm by 10leej@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-05-06T11:02:42Z
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@killyourfm Use Hyprland, its the only wayland compositor I found that can do that.
(DIR) Post #AVNNtb26DvMzDgYvC4 by ainmosni@berlin.social
2023-05-06T11:03:47Z
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@killyourfm This works fine on Fedora's KDE spin in Wayland.
(DIR) Post #AVNNusCnrTs8llB5LU by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-05-06T11:04:13Z
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@10leej AND it has dynamic tiling? Oh myyyyyy.
(DIR) Post #AVNNxlF8Cj5q2odyKG by 10leej@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-05-06T11:04:45Z
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@killyourfm Plus animations to the point you can even animate the border which also supports variant coloring.
(DIR) Post #AVNO5vmysWpH4KN9Ky by elsemusic@musician.social
2023-05-06T11:06:01Z
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@killyourfm I'm a Mint user and I don't have this issue.
(DIR) Post #AVNO72KK3ZttdQUjkO by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-05-06T11:06:25Z
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@10leej "distros like Pop!_OS, Ubuntu, etc. might have major issues running Hyprland."
(DIR) Post #AVNOAbaxO1WLt0ydrE by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-05-06T11:06:57Z
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@elsemusic Stunning, considering how much older the kernel is. This begs the question: is this a display driver problem, or a distro problem?
(DIR) Post #AVNODe5yXy2UVew4J6 by 10leej@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-05-06T11:07:38Z
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@killyourfm Well Fedora has a copr repo which is main tained by Carl Georgehttps://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/carlwgeorge/hyprland/
(DIR) Post #AVNOSYPPyGcFDX8dtY by theron29@witter.cz
2023-05-06T11:10:09Z
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@killyourfm @elsemusic It is mainly a >compositor< problem...
(DIR) Post #AVNObtiw5nGBvjiuCe by raptor85@mastodon.gamedev.place
2023-05-06T11:11:51Z
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@killyourfm don't know about fedora/ubuntu/kubuntu but i'm on gentoo running xfce4 and per-monitor scaling works fine for me, has for a long time, so it definitely sounds like an ubuntu specific problem
(DIR) Post #AVNP02PtQMWDqBKKrA by ainmosni@berlin.social
2023-05-06T11:07:35Z
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@killyourfm I'm thinking a bit, and I think what's happening is that maybe most of your apps run under xwayland in wayland and you have XWayland set to scale "by the system", as that'll look blurry.
(DIR) Post #AVNP0378pZ760JYsGe by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-05-06T11:16:14Z
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@ainmosni That does solve it, thank you! Buuuuuuuut Wayland isn't saving the configuration between reboots. Sheesh.
(DIR) Post #AVNP048F2xaVA15Gca by ainmosni@berlin.social
2023-05-06T11:13:56Z
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@killyourfm But yeah scaling on XOrg will never work well, as XOrg is virtually abandonware now, barely getting any commits.
(DIR) Post #AVNP8UpBgi6UGNBw24 by ainmosni@berlin.social
2023-05-06T11:17:45Z
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@killyourfm That's odd, I haven't messed with that myself, I have very few non-wayland apps left.
(DIR) Post #AVNPsj1LEukjc0v6sS by eliasp@mastodon.social
2023-05-06T11:26:05Z
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@killyourfm works per display on #KDEPlasma 5.27.3 (Wayland):
(DIR) Post #AVNQ71BwTdg61Sh5PM by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-05-06T11:28:41Z
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@eliasp Indeed it does! Unfortunately it's not saving that configuration between reboots. I don't know why, but I think I've lost the will to constantly troubleshoot problems on Ubuntu.
(DIR) Post #AVNR7eYYDhyQ428TFA by portaloffreedom@social.linux.pizza
2023-05-06T11:39:57Z
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@killyourfmSo, x11 has only one screen, and fakes multiple screens making a big one. So it only allows for one type of scaling.Wayland does not allow fractional scaling (yet), but KDE works around it by rendering at 200% and then scaling it back.That said, I have it working exactly like you want: KDE Wayland screen 1440p 100% + 4k 150%The only windows that didn't scale were the XWayland windows, which KDE fixed in the latest release.
(DIR) Post #AVNRetUZi4P3wX7tgW by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-05-06T11:45:56Z
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@portaloffreedom That was a really helpful explainer, Dek. Thanks for that. I did get it working properly, but it won't save the config between reboots. I'm going to install the Fedora KDE Spin and see if I get better results.
(DIR) Post #AVNRgK5UJYDaiV4cRE by LatinCanuck@fosstodon.org
2023-05-06T11:46:16Z
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@killyourfm I thought you were already on Fedora.
(DIR) Post #AVNjGrK9uvPnRawXqK by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-05-06T15:03:22Z
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@LatinCanuck about half the time.
(DIR) Post #AVNnBAuQaTpYGUS8ae by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-05-06T15:47:17Z
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@10leej of course it does. This might be yet another reason to permanently switch.
(DIR) Post #AVO8jGbrzrsMpQs0Se by oac@fosstodon.org
2023-05-06T19:48:36Z
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@killyourfm Do you have experimental scale-monitor-framebuffer turned on? Having this on made heterogenous scaling with Wayland on Ubuntu and Fedora just work for me
(DIR) Post #AVOuFGvn28QqwAwzxo by justinz@social.opendesktop.org
2023-05-07T04:41:12Z
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@killyourfm @eliasp Fedora is wonderful, come on over, we have šŖ!
(DIR) Post #AVP5JrTeCGfwwAB6em by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-05-07T06:45:14Z
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@justinz @eliasp Do you have SNICKERDOODLE cookies?
(DIR) Post #AVP5QolyeMQkZp4KZ6 by oac@fosstodon.org
2023-05-06T19:50:17Z
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@killyourfm You're right about the blurry though... PopOS handles heterogeneous scaling excellently (on X11) without blur, I want whatever they've got (excited for new Wayland Cosmic desktop though)
(DIR) Post #AVP5QpKMaVw6IT9nA8 by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-05-07T06:46:23Z
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@oac They do have some secret sauce that has always played nicely with ANY hardware I throw PopOS on. I *should* use PopOS on the HP Dev One, shouldn't I? It's just that I really love the Plasma desktop.
(DIR) Post #AVP5gY1yfDYbHn3NMu by justinz@social.opendesktop.org
2023-05-07T06:49:23Z
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@killyourfm @eliasp I'm sure we can find some under our hat š
(DIR) Post #AVPItJEEJCqOXuCRdY by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-05-07T09:17:11Z
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An update on this: I installed the #Fedora 38 KDE spin and this problem went away. It just worked. On the first boot, the default display settings already had my external 4K and built-in laptop display scaled independently. No blurriness. Everything is super crisp. Settings are retained after a reboot. Still not sure what's going on with Ubuntu/Kubuntu regarding this issue, but I'm SUPER happy that Fedora seems to solve it. ONWARD! #Linux #Display
(DIR) Post #AVPJ6LAyNaL2LmtFjs by ainmosni@berlin.social
2023-05-07T09:19:31Z
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@killyourfm I think it's because Fedora went all in on Wayland as early as possible, so they have more experience configuring it all properly.
(DIR) Post #AVPKsI9b1EmMpbfuWu by baldpolnareffart@fosstodon.org
2023-05-07T09:39:23Z
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@killyourfm I have a 4K monitor and two 1080p ones, I know the struggle lolAlthough my opinion doesn't count, I'm one of those crazy people who like 100% scaling at 4K
(DIR) Post #AVPL6ni4UVWgkridZw by TrechNex@masto.ai
2023-05-07T09:42:00Z
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@killyourfm good stuff! The latest releases for both distros have the same kernel version (6.2), so it sounds like they have made some distro-specific choices that affect compatibility.
(DIR) Post #AVPL7cOg2NJdxU2Mvg by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-05-07T09:41:59Z
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@baldpolnareffart HAHAHA yea my eyes are too old for that.
(DIR) Post #AVPLHDUFVWJNb4Diim by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-05-07T09:43:57Z
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@ainmosni suggested it could be their experience with Wayland informing those tweaks. Makes sense to me. @TrechNex
(DIR) Post #AVPLOsnqIHDllO2Zhw by baldpolnareffart@fosstodon.org
2023-05-07T09:45:19Z
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@killyourfm I think it really depends on the workflow, a good hack for me on GNOME has always been enabling "large text" in the accessibility menu, for whatever reason it works perfectly and I can deal with 100% scaling. Worth taking into account that most of the stuff I use (terminals, web browsers, blender, Vscode, etc) can scale independently, plus I really don't interact with my DE a lot
(DIR) Post #AVPLRQTm3b36mtrmMa by ainmosni@berlin.social
2023-05-07T09:45:47Z
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@killyourfm @TrechNex Fedora is quite progressive compared to other non-rolling distros. They were the first mainstream distro on wayland, systemd, pipewire, and more. It's why I quite enjoy the distro, as it does seem to lead where desktop linux goes.
(DIR) Post #AVPM0i74UExbc64XkO by matthegap@chaos.social
2023-05-07T09:52:09Z
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@killyourfm @ainmosni @TrechNex Does it work on Debian Testing, as they are using Wayland, too?
(DIR) Post #AVPOU6GRyJ8cp7bJgW by sesivany@floss.social
2023-05-07T10:02:14Z
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@ainmosni @killyourfm it's most likely this. Fedora was first to switch GNOME to Wayland by default and it was first to switch KDE Plasma to Wayland by default, too. When something is your default experience you care about it much more. I think Fedora is still benefiting from it.I remember when people complained about issues with Wayland in Debian or Ubuntu I was simply not experiencing in Fedora. Back then it was putting Wayland in bad light while it was not really its fault.
(DIR) Post #AVPOU6t5ee2wkxgAue by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-05-07T10:19:49Z
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@sesivany @ainmosni This kind of mentality really makes Fedora appealing to me.
(DIR) Post #AVPWoWxlDSJl3K70PA by liamdv4@mastodon.ie
2023-05-07T11:53:12Z
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@killyourfm in general, other than fixing that annoying display issues, how did you find switching from #Ubuntu to #Fedora?
(DIR) Post #AVPePodt98R0HJXjBQ by wook@fosstodon.org
2023-05-07T13:18:20Z
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@killyourfm .. I believe this is Wayland only, which still has issues including the biggest for me are that all flatpakās being blurry and Barrier KVM not working. I keep trying every release, but end up going back to Xorg. (If I remember a few years ago I had no issues on PopOS xorg, but now Iām on fedora.)
(DIR) Post #AVPnRfS1BqblwDwsHA by nektworks@mastodon.social
2023-05-07T14:59:34Z
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@killyourfm This is partially because of the new "Let X11 applications scale themselves" option that was implemented in Plasma 5.26.Every X11 application gets the resolution from your 4K display and settings for 150% scaling.If it works, it's perfectly scaled on the 4K display and a bit too sharp on the primary display.If it doesn't work, it doesn't scale and your unscaled X11 application will be tiny.
(DIR) Post #AVRDOf3wy88npcsUrY by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-05-08T07:25:01Z
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@liamdv4 Pretty effortless, Liam! I just needed to enable some additional repos for stuff like Steam. But it feels comfortable, and I'm finding the dual monitor support much better.